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Pierce redux
I am going to the library today and will look at the first volume of Wallner (I bought only the second) and should be able to respond to Brian's remaining questions, mostly regarding years Pierce did stuff. With that accomplished, we may as well move ahead to FAC. You might want to look over my edits and also there were one or two minor issues at PR I was unsure of and said you might to weigh in on, but we can do that on our talk pages or the article's.--Wehwalt (talk) 09:32, 27 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I'm happy with it. Great job keeping up with the PR. I will hit up the library again before long, to iron out some things, but I'm comfortable taking it to FAC. —Designate (talk) 21:26, 27 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Done.--Wehwalt (talk) 21:38, 27 August 2014 (UTC)

Proposal to move pronunciations and other info from lead
I'm posting here to follow up on the recent Village Pump discussion, archived here, to move pronunciations and other info out of article lead sections. I'm inviting editors who participated in that discussion to comment on the Manual of Style:Lead section guideline. If you would like to participate, please add your comments to the discussion. Cheers! Ivanvector (talk) 19:57, 20 October 2014 (UTC)

Franklin Pierce front page image issues?
I do beg pardon, I'm not quite sure what you're talking about. Can you explain the problem/needed fix? At a guess, it might be the image in the TFA being too small to give details in the uncropped image? Adam Cuerden (talk) 17:59, 28 October 2014 (UTC)
 * If I might give a preliminary suggestion, perhaps using File:Franklin Pierce - 1852.jpg or File:George Peter Alexander Healy - Franklin Pierce - Google Art Project.jpg might be a better solution than trying to force the current photo/art/thing (the way daguerreotypes were converted into albumen photos is a bit weird) into a shape it may not be completely suitable for. I don't mind; it's a featured picture. It will have its day on the main page. =) Adam Cuerden (talk) 18:09, 28 October 2014 (UTC)

I find that offering a cropped version can often lead to the crop being used inappropriately, so could we only host the cropped version locally, with a notforcommons? I'd rather avoid having the cropped image suddenly appear in a dozen articles, while the full view of Pierce all but disappears, and a little planning ahead will help avoid that. =) Adam Cuerden (talk) 19:29, 28 October 2014 (UTC)
 * And, of course, what we really want to avoid is what File:Franklin Pierce - 1852.jpg was like until I clicked to the source: cropped, and, more than that, not even noted as such, and with the original unavailable on Wikipedia. You don't want to know just how much it pains me to stumble across something like that, and yet it happens all the time in ACW articles - but I go off-topic. =) Adam Cuerden (talk) 19:50, 28 October 2014 (UTC)


 * I would suggest using File:Pierce crop.jpg. Adam Cuerden (talk) 20:44, 28 October 2014 (UTC)

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Precious
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Thank you for quality articles written in collaboration, such as Franklin Pierce and List of Governors of West Virginia, for reviews, assessments and distributing FA stars, for user pages of utmost simplicity, - you are an awesome Wikipedian!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:02, 23 November 2014 (UTC) Thanks! —Designate (talk) 14:40, 23 November 2014 (UTC)

... and thank you for John Tyler! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:32, 29 March 2015 (UTC)

Five years ago, you were recipient no. 1041 of Precious, a prize of QAI! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:00, 24 November 2019 (UTC)

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Surname clarification at top of articles
Hi Designate! I've long had the same concern (that you expressed at the Village Pump here and that I much later brought up here) that hatnotes are a bad way to clarify surnames. I've been trying to learn template editing, so I went ahead and created Template:Chinese name 2, which inserts a footnote rather than a hatnote, and boldly implemented it at Mao Zedong and Xi Jinping to see what reaction it gets. If it catches on, it could be expanded to other surname templates, or we could even do a mass-replacement via a bot. Sdkb (talk) 19:43, 20 February 2020 (UTC)
 * pinging you two since you participated at the pump discussion I started. Sdkb (talk) 19:43, 20 February 2020 (UTC)
 * The more I think about this, I'm of the opinion that it would be better to update WP:HAT to correspond to actual usage instead: not all hatnotes are strictly for disambiguation purposes. Here are my reasons:
 * I'd argue this information is primarily about the article title, not the actual name of the subject (the boldface quasi-reiteration of the article title). The reader may wonder why the article is located at Mao Zedong and not Zedong Mao, regardless of whether she was redirected or if there is another topic with the same name in reverse order. That's why this information should be displayed immediately after the title, not later in the lead. Hatnotes are our method of explicitly clarifying article titles.
 * As I pointed out at VP, we have (and need) hatnotes like Correct title that also don't disambiguate, and I don't want to introduce inconsistencies (for name order vs. other titular adjustments)
 * Moving hatnote spam to footnote spam is just moving the problem around. While MOS:LEADCLUTTER is bad, the footnote solution is not ideal either. I don't want to see hundreds of thousands of articles with an extra footnote that says something rather obvious. In some respects, a hatnote is more consistent and subtle, easy to ignore when you know you're looking at the right article and doesn't tempt you to click to see what information has been hidden away from you.
 * Some articles that already have too many footnotes about language and script and I don't want them to have one more.
 * There is still some confusion about what these hatnotes are supposed to clarify and for whom (readers or editors). I think they are at least implicitly there to prevent people from changing name order in articles (or moving them). But we don't use hatnotes to document consensus or offer editorial advice (I've said before that Editnotice are for this purpose).
 * All that being said, we still need to retain the key idea of WP:RELATED and actually observe it (so no stupid decisions like Talk:Suicide methods). I'd like to see WP:HAT prudently amended in a way that allows non-disambiguating hatnotes but still discouraging links to related ones. – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 18:13, 21 February 2020 (UTC)
 * ping – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 18:14, 21 February 2020 (UTC)


 * I'm following along, no strong opinion on this but listening! --valereee (talk) 18:58, 21 February 2020 (UTC)


 * Thanks for those thoughts, Finnusertop! I find some of them more persuasive than others. Re (1), if there is a question of disambiguation between Mao Zedong and Zedong Mao, a traditional hatnote would be able to address that. Re (2), I think Correct title addresses a more pressing issue for readers than name ordering. (3) is more persuasive to me, since decluttering is a large part of the goal of the change. A question I have is whether casual readers know instinctively to often ignore hatnotes the same way regular editors do. Re (5), I'm fairly strongly of the view that it's very rarely necessary for notices for editors to have to interfere with the reading experience, since we can use hidden comments or edit notices to achieve that much less obtrusively.
 * By way of update, after implementing the switch on about a half dozen of the highest-profile Chinese biography articles I could think of yesterday, none of them have yet been reverted. I find this honestly a little surprising, since normally when trying to change something there's some status quo attachment sentiment, but the impression I'm getting is that the persistence of the hatnote practice is less a result of editors defending/preferring it than it is a holdover from the period when hatnotes were less well-defined, and just no one has bothered to create an alternative until now. Sdkb (talk) 10:22, 22 February 2020 (UTC)
 * will you kindly let us know if some of them get reverted or discussed? I'd like to hear from more editors. – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 14:31, 22 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Cold Season just brought up the edits at the Chinese MOS. I'm not sure exactly how to keep discussion most centralized, but there will likely be some there. Sdkb (talk) 19:27, 24 February 2020 (UTC)


 * I've also implemented at Zhang Dongju, an article I created, since no one's objected at Mao and Xi :) --valereee (talk) 14:59, 22 February 2020 (UTC)

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