User talk:Designmotif

Not Spamming
Hi. Thank you for visiting me. If you are visiting me about your concern for spamming. I have been doing some additions about AFF, a non-profit production company run by Academy and Emmy award-winning filmmakers Terry Sanders and Freida Lee Mock. My understanding, and that of my husband JaimeyWB, is that because their work is considerably valuable we have created the appropriate internal pages about them and their remarkable films because much of Wikipedia is lacking in information about them. We begun adding the articles in the hope that other users will contribute. And we've added specific external links where appropriate, linking directly to the films, many of which are difficult to find. The question of spamming is a good one, given that Amazon.com (IMDB site), Sony and other major commercial websites have been allowed to add their external links with no real reference to the pages they are added to either I might add. I'm getting very annoyed by the accusations of spamming. We are going by guidelines here. So I will return the page to it's previous condition, as it's not spamming. Please don't target AFF and their vast body of work as spam.

Thanks!Designmotif 06:41, 2 August 2005 (UTC)

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Thanks for the Welcome! Designmotif 05:35, 31 July 2005 (UTC)

Link spam
In general we encourage external links to information resources that are relevant, that contain information not itself suitable for Wikipedia.

Links to pages offering items for sale are discouraged even when they are topical.

I have reviewed the relevant discussion and although I understand your organization's goals, they are at odds with site policy. I will be making a comprehensive effort to remove American Film Foundation links. Please do not re-add them. The Uninvited Co., Inc. 00:17, 5 August 2005 (UTC)


 * Whatever. I'm going to remove any references to IMDB on the pages having to do with AFF's work because it is in direct competition with AFF. It's arguably spam as well then. If Wikipedia doesn't want people linking to external commercial sites they should block Google and other search engines from crawling the site or not have any external links at all. Commerce is what makes the internet possible, it pays the bills so good work can get done. Wikipedia ideals are pretty much BS and contradictory. If Wikipedia is allowed to be crawled then it begs the question of why not commercial external links if it can compete in the search engine world but not allow external links to compete with the very articles that indexed then it becomes a Wikiworld on the search engines. A circular arguement of poorly written cycles if information and dis-information.Designmotif 07:25, 5 August 2005 (UTC)

The IMDB listings are appropriate because IMDB is an information source rather than being exclusively a sales site. Please do not remove them. You are still welcome here even if you disagree with Wikipedia ideas; please do try to follow site policy however.

Best regards

The Uninvited Co., Inc. 21:12, 5 August 2005 (UTC)

Also, please refrain from removing comments from your talk page and from editing comments made by others on talk pages. The Uninvited Co., Inc. 21:18, 5 August 2005 (UTC)


 * The edits I made were to clean up the external links to AFF in the user's talk page because they aren't allowed, and to removed references to AFF's full name since it's becoming associated with spam. But whatever, you're a Supreme Editor who will do what you will. Be bold. Be inconsistent. ;-)


 * These are your own opinions about IMBd's validity, event though the external linking to IMDb is very questionable, IMO, given that on every page of IMDb there is an Amazon "buy now" link. It's a total front for Amazon, a wolf in sheep's clothing website, claiming to be informational, but using "information" as a way to get everyone to link to them and, ultimiately, buy from Amazon.com. I believe that external linking to IMDb is contradictory to Wikipedia's own policy and that if it was fairly examined it would be deemed spamming. I wouldn't be surprised if there isn't a back-channel relationship between the Wikipedia founders and Amazon.com, nice big checks for referral fees based on incoming traffic from Wikipedia.


 * So whatever. The hypocrisy and constant re-editing of my contributions for trying to do something good has made me decide to forget giving my time Wikipedia altogether. Designmotif 22:03, 5 August 2005 (UTC)

Wikipedia as a matter of policy does not accept link sponsorhip or per-click payments from Amazon or any other source. There was some discussion of this some years ago and a decision was made that our neutrality is far more important than the relatively modest amount of revenue that could be thus generated. In the absence of a less commercial alternative to IMDB, that is what we use. You will note that links to books take readers to a page from which they can choose a variety of vendors and we would do that for IMDB if we could.

The decision to leave is yours to make. You will be welcome if and when you choose to return. The Uninvited Co., Inc. 22:26, 5 August 2005 (UTC)


 * There is a financial connection between Wikipedia and Amazon. I found it. Please read the discussion in Talk:Jimmy Wales page.
 * I doubt that this supposed financial relationship exists. Have you any evidence? Amazon does have some advertising on the IMDB site by providing options to buy things from them, there was never really any question, there.  However, the utility, amount of information they provide, and recognition of IMDB as one of the best free information sources available far outweighs the tiny ads/buy links they place on their site.   Last I checked it wasn't the Wikimedia foundation itself that was making a decision to place IMDB links, it was editors (users), and probably a usual consensus that the IMDB links are useful enough to justify their presence in articles, even though IMDB links often contain advertising that are strongly towards a particular vendor (Amazon): it is not as if there are many alternatives that make information available at the same or better level as IMDB without that kind of advertising... --Mysidia 02:44, 6 August 2005 (UTC)

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