User talk:DesmondCoutinho

August 2011
Hello, please refrain from using the article page at Irom Chanu Sharmila for discussing changes to the article. You should be posting those types of comments on the talk page, located at Talk:Irom Chanu Sharmila. Hit me up if you have any questions. Eric Leb 01 (Page &#124; Talk)  03:55, 29 August 2011 (UTC)


 * That would be great how exactly do I hit you up. The concerns i have is you have two sets of editors those who understand editing and follow wiki rules and those who sabotage info. Way I see it there are gophers who get info for wiki because they are interested in the subject and there are editors who like editing stuff and following rules but don't necessarily have any idea of the subject matter. I have no interest in learning wiki formatting but I know more about Irom Sharmila then anyone else who has provided info about her plus I am her official spokesman. That may not count much for wiki but the same reason I never learnt how to pre-programme a video cassette recorder in the days before TIVO and the like is the same reason I posted messages on your article page. If a named person removes them I am ok with that but you have saboteurs removing data without reason for example citation of her lover as she put it in her words was removed without explanation. Two articles I suggested of interest to academicians on Sharmila's satyagraha were removed but less scholarly material is remained in your citations perhaps you could let readers decide on worth if they are actually referenced. Beyond that wiki is just one of a number of sites. I came here first if all you want to do is have alist of awards and dates good enough for me it looks like people are taking an interest in her for a few weeks that's nice. I'll be back after a few weeks and will post an update assuming no one else cares and for two years no one else did update here on wiki. I have mentioned my concerns on the talk page. I am glad you didn't attack my writing style. I am happy for the stuff to be subedited to wiki's style preference but I don't work for wiki i see myself as a gopher who helps gather the latest info. if you want to reformat the english and remove prejudicial statements and you feel it's your duty and you know about the wiki conventions go for it my son. I just care about Sharmila and i have never cared much for even harvard referencing I just used to take a hit on the five percent on offer for those and figured it was worth it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 49.49.151.38 (talk) 04:13, 29 August 2011 (UTC)


 * I'm sure we all appreciate your dedication to Sharmila and the subject matter surrounding her, but you have to understand that, while this website allows you "edit any article", we still must abide by some guidelines. I mean, this is an encyclopaedia. If people are removing your content, it's not because they are out to sabotage what is right; it's either because it's not sourced or verifiable, because it's not important or notable in the grand scheme of things, or because -- since you say you "just care about Sharmila" -- your edits are not neutral. I'm not trying to scare you off from this website, but if you don't want to abide by these guidelines, you will have people removing your work. If you want to chat on my user page, the link is in my signature (at the end of my message). You can sign yours too by entering ~ at the end of your comment. Eric Leb 01 (Page &#124; Talk)  04:27, 29 August 2011 (UTC)

I am sure you think you ended with something in english still haven't a clue what you mean. But don't take it personally this is for young people when I say I care about Sharmila I don't think you understand what those words mean. But I really don't care that much about wiki and looks like you do so heck let's not fret about formatting. if wiki could save either of us from a hand grenade attack I'd learn your code but you can't so good luck with what you do. I am going with absolutely no hard feelings just a certainty that we don't speak even close to teh same language. So we can't even argue. take care be happy sabbe satta sukhita hontu


 * Alright, take care then. Eric Leb 01 (Page &#124; Talk)  04:34, 29 August 2011 (UTC)

February 2012
Hi DesmondCoutinho. With some regret, I've had to undo your recent edits to Irom Chanu Sharmila. Whilst your dedication is admirable and the sources you supplied were adequate for RS, the information you added was contrary to Wikipedia's policies on writing from a neutral point of view and avoiding interpretation of sources. Please feel free to add at least some of the information back, but restrict yourself to covering the facts reported in the sources (not what you can extrapolate form those facts) and avoid writing anything that could be viewed as either praise or criticism of any party involved.

Dear Wiki-editor I completely understand. There is some fuss in Russia over Putin, Manipur is a disgusting third world shit hole of a land, and it's a romantic tale but I wouldn't go overboard on how lovely romance is, my princess is locked in a tower, plans to free her not going so well. They have a phrase in Manipur Let Truth Prevail. Problem is it's a land of cowardly often meanspirited disgusting hypocrites, i guess we all are except they don't go in much for gang rape in Surbiton, more wife swapping I guess. So yeah you have to do your job I appreciate that it was done with regret. As the Gita says we must do our duty as best we can without lust for result. If there were more people like you Sir, the world would be a far better place, most of us remain lukewarm do nothing and that causes the problems. I fare much better on noble silent retreat though that too can conjure up the asuras and devas, they weren't just tales from the old country. But all this nonsense about participative democracy. The old whores (human fucking beings) have sold out their heritage for a mess of potage again. Mind is the only enemy I'll leave off updating for a while until I have managed a better sammata. but for your intervention Sir all that need be said is Saadhu Saadhu Saadhu (something like amen)

If you feel that this is not something you can do, due to a close connection to the subject or strong feelings about the topic, please feel free to add your sources to the article talk page, so that other editors can integrate them into the article. Yunshui 雲&zwj;水 10:07, 7 March 2012 (UTC)

Conflict of interest at Irom Chanu Sharmila
Hi Desmond,

I saw one of your posts at Irom Chanu Sharmila where you identify yourself as her fiance and spokesperson. Sorry I didn't respond sooner; I've been off and on Wikipedia over the past two years due to health reasons, and sometimes I've let messages slip through the cracks.

While I admire your dedication to her cause, you should review Wikipedia's policies on conflict of interest editing. Editors are strongly discouraged from editing about their own organizations and loved ones, because that makes it difficult to create a neutral article on the subject. (On a purely practical level, you should also consider that adding enormous, incredibly detailed blocks of text to a subject's article does not help promote the subject. By making the article much more difficult to read, it means that no one will read it.) I would suggest in the future that you suggest edits at the article's talk page, and an uninvolved editor (myself or another) can help with any changes you'd like to see.

All the best, -- Khazar2 (talk) 15:16, 21 October 2012 (UTC) Dear Khazar2 I really admire your work as a wiki editor but I have no interest in webencyclopaedia. I don't have any bad feelings about the changes you make. I add info no one else does. Others modify the format sometimes they remove info. Wiki is but one of the many web sites which have information on the many areas of the world where most people don't give a flying cinaedi irrumare atque pedicare. I don't have to learn the wiki guidelines because if they are offended against many correct it. My problem is in India this does not happen. I got the info up for a day or so which is longer than usual. People who do care contact me in private. Political agitation is mainly this a group of self-important people who pretend to do something self-important while little changes. You got your stuff I got mine. I have no problem with the work you do. If more people just did their duty to the best of their ability we could all be living in paradise. But no thanks I have no intention of learning wiki policy but certainly feel free to remove. If I stop posting completely it will be because they found my naked bullet ridden degenitalized body by either the Burman or Bangladeshi border while in possession of a mobile phone and a clip of ammo for a kalashnikov. The British will have to get another contract for hawk jets and life will go on and thankfully old sport from that day onwards no longer for me. Plus I get a book of latin poetry published. I am not sure if they'll publish while I live. I shall pray for you because it's what I do. Thanks for looking in. The page is safer with you around sometimes the bad people just vandalize it because they are cinaedi irrumasti

Dear Khazar2 I suspect the pain is getting to you old sport you have removed so much information in about twenty attempts. We don't need wiki. There is no point in updating the pages since you have stopped policing it intelligently. If people want to find out information they can do their research. The truth is there. For me if it helps ease your pain go for it my son, no one was actually reading with intelligence. Too many self-important assholes on the net, I hope I don't become one of them. ciao bello.
 * Hi Desmond, sorry you feel that way. I've tried, as before, to reduce the article to a neutral summary of content from reliable secondary sources. If you want a way to put up information about Sharmila without other editors involved, why not simply start a blog? In any case, all the best in your future work, -- Khazar2 (talk) 04:38, 23 October 2012 (UTC)

I have been reading somerset maugham so I don't really believe you Khazar2 but as for neutral just one small point you quote someone quoting the New York Times except they misquote it footnote 4, check it. The original article does not say that AFSPA grants anyone the right to detain insurgents indefinitely. This chappie misquotes it you could correct simplest way using your system is remove the sentence and footnote. I am glad there is no bitterness. I don't think you have sufficient selfawareness mind, you are using wiki for pain management because we aren't very good with chronic pain management in the West and drugs build up a resistance. One more thing sir I have no work, I have no profession, I am a gentleman. All the best with you too sir. Pain management is the most profitable use for wiki as far as I see. But I'll not waste my time here anymore
 * Thanks, the point's been fixed. I appreciate your pointing it out. Cheers, Khazar2 (talk) 05:14, 23 October 2012 (UTC)

Dear Khazar2, your job is like old stone wall building. they don't use bricks just gather stones of all sizes. problem is if you make one you never know when its complete. You have another clear error. It's because you dont' chase up references to references, but I am cheating you of your narcotic. The method you are using is to narrow down focus. Making many many little changes instead painstaking works better than diamorphine. Good luck with finding this one. No point in just showing it you, there'll be no neurotransmitter payoff for that. Looks awfully thin the page now are you sure it's not worth going over all the other versions and fishing out things you think might be authentically referenced. just a thought old sport. I am continuing with the revisiting of the classics elle est venue trop tard dans un monde trop vieux.
 * If you know of an error in the page, feel free to point it out at the article's talk page and I'll be glad to correct it. I'd appreciate it if you'd leave my illness out of it, though; let's focus on the encyclopedia. -- Khazar2 (talk) 13:09, 25 October 2012 (UTC)

This is my talk page mr khazar2 and I have offered a reasonable input on the way you have edited my attempts at updating my fiancee's pages. I have not repeated the diagnosis elsewhere and I am very sympathetic. Perhaps your defensive reaction suggests it was too close to the bone. I dont think what we do or don't do makes that much difference. If there was any hurt intended I apologize for that. And if it helps you go for it. It's helpful for me to see how often the wiki error is repeated. But apart from that it matters very little. As these factoids are not helping Sharmila one way or the other but does appear to help you for now, carry on Sir. But my understanding is that this is my talk page, treat it as countertransferential if you must treat it at all and if you are confident in your encylopediological skills, then ignore it, but this way you know its still my stuff. May you be happy. For what its worth its quite a non-invasive, non drug using method for pain control and I would commend it to anyone as a gentler alternative that would probably work for longer than most other methods. Like I say if it doesn't help ignore. I think wiki is good for basics so stripping the stuff down from time to time is probably a good general policy also.

May 2013
Hello, I'm BracketBot. I have automatically detected that [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=556511279 your edit] to Irom Chanu Sharmila may have broken the syntax by modifying 4 "{}"s. If you have, don't worry, just [ edit the page] again to fix it. If I misunderstood what happened, or if you have any questions, you can leave a message on [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?action=edit&preload=User:A930913/BBpreload&editintro=User:A930913/BBeditintro&minor=&title=User_talk:A930913&preloadtitle=BracketBot%20-%20&section=new my operator's talk page]. I am assuming that there is no point trying to explain to you mr bracket bot that I have no idea what that means. I copied and pasted and it seems to display if i remove stuff it may not display and since i have no idea why you would need brackets anyway I don't think its wise to remove but I'd be more than happy for you to take care of redundant brackets and may i say you are far too polite to be a human so in other worlds where you gain sentience i add may you and all sentient beings be happy and discover the causes of happiness and feel free to remove brackets if you can do so without harm.

June 2013
Hello, I'm BracketBot. I have automatically detected that [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=558542652 your edit] to Irom Chanu Sharmila may have broken the syntax by modifying 4 "{}"s. If you have, don't worry, just [ edit the page] again to fix it. If I misunderstood what happened, or if you have any questions, you can leave a message on [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?action=edit&preload=User:A930913/BBpreload&editintro=User:A930913/BBeditintro&minor=&title=User_talk:A930913&preloadtitle=BracketBot%20-%20&section=new my operator's talk page].

Irom Chanu Sharmila
Hi Desmond, I've restored the court hearing details but the sentences about "music satyagraha" are written like an advertisement/invitation. Also, these details are not suitable for the lead section. The lead is supposed to be a summary of the text that follows. And please, don't call it racism. Just because I don't agree with you doesn't mean that I'm racist—though you seem to insist that I am. undefined — Bill william compton  Talk   03:46, 6 June 2013 (UTC) That's great just trying to keep her alive if you don't hurt that change what you like.

November 2013
Hello, I'm Barek. I noticed that you made an edit concerning content related to a living person   on Irom Chanu Sharmila, but that you didn’t support your changes with a citation to a reliable source. Wikipedia has a strict policy concerning how we write about living people, so please help us keep such articles accurate. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thank you. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 15:21, 7 November 2013 (UTC)

Notice of ANI discussion
There is currently a discussion at Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The thread is Irom Chanu Sharmila. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 15:26, 7 November 2013 (UTC)

I STRONGLY suggest you respond to this thread - if you continue to insert this unsourced violation of WP:BLP policy, you are more or less guaranteed to end up being blocked from editing. AndyTheGrump (talk) 12:19, 8 November 2013 (UTC)
 * I have responded now stop wasting my time I have just contacted two MEPs trying to keep my fiancee alive idiots like yhou will destroy any reputation wiki has. If you collude with murder what good are you 24 hours then do what you want I will refrain from posting anyting on your pages now stop bothering me I am busy for a while. — Preceding unsigned comment added by DesmondCoutinho (talk • contribs)

This is your only warning; if you violate Wikipedia's biographies of living persons policy by inserting unsourced or poorly sourced defamatory content into an article or any other Wikipedia page again, as you did at Irom Chanu Sharmila, you may be blocked from editing without further notice. ''You have been warned in edit summaries and on your talk page, so this is your formal final warning. You MUST cease from this practice however good your cause may be. Wikipedia is not a place to promote your cause.'' Fiddle   Faddle  12:44, 8 November 2013 (UTC)

The only point I wish to add to my request for 24 hours grace is that if a few people can claim to own wiki and it doesn't belong the the people then I do not wish to assist it. I'd write articles for Pravda. Take care now I may reconsider in a few months but for now I have work to do keep my fiancee alive. Clearly wiki is the wrong place to post the truth and nobody else is interested in Manipur or Sharmila including the wiki editors above. So let's leave it there the internet is a big place I just need one honest person to assist not going to find them here.

You have been blocked from editing for a period of one week for making personal attacks, as you did at User talk:ParacusForward. Once the block has expired, you are welcome to make useful contributions. If you think there are good reasons why you should be unblocked, you may appeal this block by adding the following text below this notice:. However, you should read the guide to appealing blocks first. Yunshui 雲 &zwj; 水  16:16, 28 November 2013 (UTC)

June 2015
You may be blocked from editing without further warning the next time you violate Wikipedia's no original research policy by inserting unpublished information or your personal analysis into an article, as you did at Irom Chanu Sharmila. -- haminoon  ( talk ) 00:02, 7 June 2015 (UTC)

Conflict of interest
It appears you've already been warned a few times about conflict of interest editing. I strongly urge you to stop editing the Irom Chanu Sharmila page and post edit requests on the article's talk page. -- haminoon  ( talk ) 00:07, 7 June 2015 (UTC)
 * I believe your actions to be pure vandalism either based on pig ignorant, racism or because you are being paid to do so. But if no one else agrees enjoy. It's more likely no one else cares either way you will reduce this to a stub or start supporting your own prejudices here. It's only wiki grow up son. This is not a conversation. The promise was a ban without farther notice so please don't give me any more notice you pathetic stooge — Preceding unsigned comment added by DesmondCoutinho (talk • contribs) 08:03, June 7, 2015‎ (UTC)

AN/I notice
There is currently a discussion at Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. -- haminoon  ( talk ) 08:41, 7 June 2015 (UTC) I don't give a flying fuck about wiki and I am sure telling you that will get another of your petty bans. My fiancee has maybe another year of life before she is murdered. It may be you are another self-important wiki masturbator or you are part of the conspiracy to have her isolated and murdered. Who gives a fuck what you wankers decide it's only wiki. Now piss off and go edit model railways or whatever else you do you disgusting little creep.

Your recent edits
Hello and welcome to Wikipedia. When you add content to talk pages and Wikipedia pages that have open discussion (but never when editing articles), please be sure to sign your posts. There are two ways to do this. Either: This will automatically insert a signature with your username or IP address and the time you posted the comment. This information is necessary to allow other editors to easily see who wrote what and when.
 * 1) Add four tildes  ( &#126;&#126;&#126;&#126; ) at the end of your comment; or
 * 2) With the cursor positioned at the end of your comment, click on the signature button (Insert-signature.png or Signature icon.png) located above the edit window.

Thank you. --SineBot (talk) 10:53, 2 July 2015 (UTC) There's a button below I'tl try it. What seems to be a bigger issue is that some wiki editors wish to back a call for no more rearrests which would mean no more force feeding and Sharmila's death in less than 3 weeks. There are plenty of references for the hijacking of the anti-AFSPA movement ranging from an IB report, the burning and bannind of the Calcutta Telegraph, I placed two more recently and they were removed without comment. As well as checking whether people have clicked on the right button can someone not check when vandals are supporting only one version of events when clearly there is more than one fully published and referenced. Usually wiki adds a chapter called controversies but in this case editors prefer to go on witch hunts and bully the truth out of print.DesmondCoutinho (talk) 11:08, 2 July 2015 (UTC)Desmond Coutinho§

Notice of Conflict of interest noticeboard discussion
This message is being sent to inform you that there is currently a discussion at Conflict of interest/Noticeboard regarding a possible conflict of interest incident in which you may be involved. Thank you. -- haminoon  ( talk ) 11:16, 2 July 2015 (UTC) What's going on Haminoon is you are quite clearly backing the campaign to manufacture the death of irom sharmila and deleting any reference to anyone connected to a genuine movement to support her in her campaign for the removal of hte afspa. I am sure no one cares all that much because wiki is white middle class professional racist. You do not care about the murder of another wog. It's a game to you. Sport. If wiki editors do their job they will note that you are removing all new references without valid reason you are now taking this matter personally either because you have been paid to or because of some perceived lese majeste. Let someone else step up. You are turning wiki into a bullyground. If you really need to back those who plot for her death I think wiki should allow the other published view and that done at extreme risk to the few who dare go into a third world police state where the rule of law has been suspended for nearly 60 years. It's not rocket science. There are two views. Both can be read here and referenced or this can slide back into a stub. Stop leaving me messages. If you have the backing of a wolf pack then you'll bar me from editing as the Chinese have already discovered you can't control all the Web. Why you insist on crushing a butterfly on a wheel no idea. Who reads. Who cares.DesmondCoutinho (talk) 11:27, 2 July 2015 (UTC)

This is for the user small bones. There is no documentation for any other spokesman for irom Sharmila apart from me. That's just original research from your wiki colleagues. This is an analysis by Medha Patkar which points out that unconditional release will result only in Sharmila's death. She points out that the call for unconditional release is just another form of brutal treatment but you can read the article yourself http://zeenews.india.com/news/nation/government-brutally-dealing-with-irom-sharmila-medha-patkar_1462222.html This is the Indian Express report which points out that she has no real supporters in Manipur Mr Babloo Loitongbam controls many fake NGOs in Manipur and is doing what he can to isolate her http://indianexpress.com/article/india/india-others/irom-sharmila-released-again-refuses-to-go-with-her-supporters-and-breaks-down/99/ This is a reference to the Indian Intelligence Bureau and RAW about Manipuri NGOs working as foreign industrial spies http://www.newindianexpress.com/thesundaystandard/NGOs-Foreign-Funds-Fuel-Terror/2014/06/22/article2292852.ece The original leaked report doesn't have the names of the NGOs or the names of the foreign spies but Mr Babloo Loitongbam outed himself and other Manipuris in this press release http://e-pao.net/GP.asp?src=2..260614.jun14 This is a report in Sharmila's own words voice and video of the abuses she has been facing including http://www.ndtv.com/video/player/left-right-centre/irom-sharmila-on-if-her-iconic-fast-has-been-hijacked/297129

Those are a few to be going on with. There are three trials in total. You don't require original research to work that out. She is being held in Imphal on judicial warrants if there weren't any trials in Imphal then she wouldn't be in prison. The last dates of the trial in Delhi are correct 11 & 12 August 2015 but it is nonsense to claim that there are no trials in Imphal or that it is impossible to find any reference to them. If in doubt use Google.

The SS group has no standing with Sharmila but is also run by Mr Babloo Loitongbam. He comes from a very powerful police family and people suck up to him. If he drops the plans to have sharmila killed then you can campaign for him to get the nobel peace prize. I have no vendetta against anyone. I am just trying to point out the truth and keep my fiancee alive. But this is just wiki and only the lazy believe everything they read here.DesmondCoutinho (talk) 20:50, 2 July 2015 (UTC) This is a press release which confirms that the SS group run by Mr Babloo Loitoingbam and Amnesty International India are working together on the plan to drop all charges end fore feeding and therefore manufacture the death of Irom Sharmila within 3 weeks. http://e-pao.net/GP.asp?src=30..250115.jan15 There are other plots but you don't need original research you just need to publish honestly both views. I was imprisoned during the implementation of this latest plot to murder her. I certainly don't want to offer any serious encylcopaedians any original research. But the plan only works if you can do it quietly. At this stage the British FCO had been forced by the Irish Foreign Office to ask for an investigation into the mistreatment of a British Citizen and Irish Resident. The MEA wanted to hear my version of events which I had already passed on to the Manipur Chief Justice. It's a third world police state they aren't going to publish the files vie the Indian RTI act (right to information if you write to any Government Body in India with a specific question about they are doing they have to give you an answer if it's on file) but they aren't going to cover up anything either.

What a friend pointed out is that for most people wiki is all they will read. And wiki is controlled information. because you are allowing a clique to filter out published verifiable facts to maintain a false position. Smallbones claims he wants to end paid news here. There's a price to be paid for that. If your campaign has come cheaply then you haven't really begun.DesmondCoutinho (talk) 08:46, 3 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Desmond, Desmond! I work on conflict of interest and advocacy issues here in WP and saw the posting at COIN.   You are very passionate about this issue and understandably so.  Very understandably so.  But you are abusing Wikipedia - it is not a place for advocacy nor to right great wrongs nor to use as a soapbox.  You will choose to do whatever you like, but please remember that while Wikipedia is indeed "the encyclopedia that anyone can edit", editing here is a privilege, not a right.  Editors who abuse Wikipedia get banned.  This place would be a complete garbage dump and never would have become a place that you feel is valuable to use if the community (it is a community, not a "club") allowed Wikipedia to be used all the time for advocacy.  It would be a garbage dump. And there are parts that are, despite our best efforts.   There are thousands of editors and millions of issues that people are very passionate about - even life and death ones like yours.   So if you want to retain some influence over the article, please tone it way, way down.  Please.  If you want to stay that is.   You will end up banned, if you keep on as you have been.  Good luck to you and I hope for the best for your fiancee.  So scary. Jytdog (talk) 07:16, 4 July 2015 (UTC)

personal attack
Hello, I'm Jytdog. I noticed that you made a comment on the page WP:COIN that didn't seem very civil, so it has been removed. Wikipedia needs people like you and me to collaborate, so it's one of our core principles to interact with one another in a polite and respectful manner. If you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thank you. Jytdog (talk) 07:10, 4 July 2015 (UTC)


 * The sad thing about wiki is you will respond to personal attack because these places become a grand cyclotron of egoes. Nobody cared while it was just an issue about whether some wog gel I am courting is killed or not. I would suggest one change you quote the NDTV headline instead of listening to what Sharmila actually says when you claim she blamed the AFSPA for the death of the jawans. They spun that as a headline because they wanted more attention. if you listen to the interview and summarize it yourself you'll see she doessn't say anything as crass as that. However the headline did cause a storm on twitter for five minutes where people started calling her a whore bitch terrorist who deserves to die. You are the first to enter the fray. And you don't seem to have an agenda. And yes it's horrible if you actually see what they are doing to her. She is on trial today your independence day. There will be no verifiable references as the press have been told if they turn up they'll kill them. A pity you don't get so upset about things like that. But I've been lobbying for some time. Sometimes insulting people works. Sometimes it doesn't. This time it did. But someone is going to overturn your edits. They want her forgotten. And they are running out of time so they can't just wait a few weeks till you move on. They will start counter-editing now. Al the best now. I have things to be getting on with. If it's any consolation I am far ruder to the armed gunmen in Manipur whom some here think are her really good eggs. Whatever else they are they are cowards. And thanks for beating the alien invasion for the free world. Unless you're not an american. Ill drop some stuff on the NHRC and Supreme court rulings of torture against Sharmila soon. If someone wants to put them up. These are verifiable facts but have been taken out of previous versions of this page. If someone else does the work though I won't have to come back at all.DesmondCoutinho (talk) 08:08, 4 July 2015 (UTC)


 * as a wikipedia editor, I don't care about a single you wrote there. as a person I am sorry for everything you and especially Irom are going through. But when you log in here, if you keep acting like you have been, you are going to get banned.   You will decide your own fate.  We are giving you lots of WP:ROPE but you are definitely hanging yourself. Jytdog (talk) 08:45, 4 July 2015 (UTC)

http://www.ibnlive.com/news/india/irom-sharmila-condemns-manipur-ambush-but-says-afspa-couldnt-prevent-it-1001968.html Hey Jytdog this is a text version without the spin. She doesn't say ever that AFSPA caused the death of the soldiers. As a wiki editor check the source. She says it was a lunatic act and that the AFSPA failed to protect the soldiers lives, that all human life is equal before God. she went on to ask the insurgents to find a way of revolution that does not involve violence you can check. You are quoting the headline not what she actually said I presume in your haste you haven't seen the report or read the summary. Could some other editor check if you don't want to? Do you understand that point before you dismiss it. If not I'll leave it wiki is never perfect those who want to can check themselves. DesmondCoutinho (talk) 10:51, 4 July 2015 (UTC) Here is the reference to the NHRC ruling they visited her 23 October 2013. As a wiki editor perhaps you think it might be relevant previous ediitors took the reference out. http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/irom-sharmila-nhrc-slams-manipur-government-for-her-isolation/1/320969.html

They'll take you out long before they get to me if you do your job. Use the reference if you thinnk it is valid as a wiki editor. When you stop using them ill stop posting them how's that sound.DesmondCoutinho (talk) 10:35, 4 July 2015 (UTC)

One other thing of interest to you as a wiki editor from the NDTV summary i guess I am described as a journalist nope never have been don't want to be one. But it's a veriiable reference you have there. Not sure what you want to do with that one. You'll find plenty of other verifiable references saying other things. As this is a page primarily about Irom Sharmila not sure how important it is. It's a verifiably referenced piece of information that isn't true. Up to you what you do with this tidbit. I'll get some more references for prizes and plays and dances about her life if you or anyone else is interested in updating. now I\ve got your attention I have no quarrel with your friends or colleagues if you are bored and want to move on i am sure someone else will pick up the slack not sure why you want to keep giving me warnings you're the one who stuck their neck out with a shed load of new edits not meDesmondCoutinho (talk) 10:42, 4 July 2015 (UTC)

And I know this will be of no interest to wiki editors but possibly to a person. It was CNN IBN who spun the report not NDTV. My bad. CNN IBN had started the only interview of Sharmila during recess from court when the deputy SP Imphal Central Jail (Police Prisons) telephoned the SI on duty at Manipur Bhawan who then threatened everyone present and informed the press there would be no more interviews which is illegal but as they were told they couldn't film or record everybody left. And that's why the interview is both short and the only one. And that is original research so I know of no interest to you as a wiki editor if people update the NHRC report I'll add more. If this is your lot oh well at least you added some things.DesmondCoutinho (talk) 10:56, 4 July 2015 (UTC)

So Jytdog you seemed to just remove the NDTV or CNNIBN press report which you falsely summarized I think you argue that the ambush of 18 soldiers has no relevance to this biography page. Let me offer an explanation here then. http://e-pao.net/epSubPageExtractor.asp?src=news_section.editorial.editorial_2014.Disgracing_Irom_Sharmila_HL_20140530 This was after I think her second appearance in Delhi. The editor of a local paper in Manipur points out because progress was being made in her satyagraha a market place bomb was exploded the day after she returned. The Ambush occurred the day she was leaving so the only questions asked of her were to respond to the murders and the general feeling was it become politically difficult to meet or discuss afspa removal with her in Delhi while people are being murdered. Even though as she points out the AFSPA is up and running and its not stopping bombs from going off.

If you dont' think the NHRC ruling of 13 years of torture is relevant perhaps note the timing. It's around the same time Amnesty International India adopt her as a prisoner of conscience after 13 years. Although they both seem to ask different things from the GoM. The NHRC required them to drop the isolation orders and allow her access to those she wished to meet and Amnesty want unconditional release and an end to force feeding. Who knows how a wiki man thinks. If you're not interested in references I provide then let those others who return from the american holidays see if they care to get involved. I can get you a verifiable reference that I am an international sex spy if you want. Just ask.DesmondCoutinho (talk) 18:55, 4 July 2015 (UTC)
 * I've been reading what you are writing here. I am very busy and you mix in far too much bullshit and it is a waste or my my time to sort out what matters for Wikipedia and what is just you trying to prove something  Again I am very sympathetic to you and Iron are going through.  But I have warned you several times to check your attitude at the login page -  you are not doing that, so I am unwatching this page and will just WP:SHUN you going forward.  I am working on improving the article. Jytdog (talk) 19:38, 4 July 2015 (UTC)

Wiki has accepted a problem with paid articles here. So far you root out newbies who start up PR companies offering to provide an article for a product or person. But it's set up like the american boy scouts the longer you work the more badges you get and I assume there's an equivalent of the Eagle Scout somewhere. But none of you get paid for your hard work over the years. And despite your best efforts wiki is full of garbage. In this you have an elephant. Wiki badge holders have taken up the cause of an unnamed real spokesman for Irom Sharmila whose authority they do not question. At the same time as requesting references but not from me for legal issues the entire section on current court cases has been removed. The same elephant has instructed all press in Imphal that they will be killed if they report on any of the Imphal trials. Prosecution began their case on your Independence day. No doubt pointing this out will confirm the ban long overdue. Maybe in ten years you will get round to tidying up this page maybe you will delete it as unrecoverable garbage. Today you have a problem with a lack of transparency in paid articles. You have merely shifted the takings away from newbies starting up PR companies and restricted it to fully badged members of wiki admin who are protected by lower level members who want more badges. I have no farther comments to make on wiki anybody who takes your pages as gospel is more stupid than they sound. But it works as a Z test for interest. Though these days main people visiting are wiki editors deciding whether they should get involved, probably not. Look you taught me how to sign, if you had just said click on the button I'd have done it for you, helps you to work out whom to ban. Saionara ja mataDesmondCoutinho (talk) 09:07, 5 July 2015 (UTC)