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Please, leave me a message. I am happy to be help or be helped.

Invitation
Want to actually join us? :) Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 22:20, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I am not sure if I am the right person for the LGBT studies project, as I am straight and not gay. However, I am historically interested in the closeted lives of several gay or bisexual Hollywood stars. Onefortyone 22:35, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the invitation. Perhaps it may be a good idea to join your project. I am frequently getting into trouble with some other users for calling some Hollywood stars bisexual or gay. Though my contributions are supported by many independent sources, these fans still think the stars were straight and endeavor to remove edits that say otherwise. See, for instance,, , , , , etc. and this discussion. See also Talk:Nick Adams. Onefortyone 23:18, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Washington Blade
Dev -- do you have any reccomendations on making the Washington Blade article into a GA? It's now at a B and I would appreicate a little guidance... Thanks. jtowns 07:10, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Dev -- the process has kinda stalled out. That's not necessarily a bad thing, but no one who hasn't been connected with the page already has reviewed it for the GA nomination...it's now the top story on the category it falls under on the GA Candidates page so maybe someone will give it some attention soon... Heres to hoping. jtowns 17:44, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Scratch that last thought...instead of reviewing it, an editor decided that it should just simply be moved to a different category where it is now #3 on the list of Arts/Publishing instead of Miscellaneous. Oh well...here's to waiting a bit longer I suppose... jtowns 17:50, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for asking WJB to do it. :) jtowns 17:59, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

To be honest, I am going to move on to my next article. This time I'm thinking Bay Area Reporter or Gay City News or HX Magazine. I want to one by one take a stub and get it to GA status. It took me a month on the last one, so I'm thinking 12 a year isn't bad...I'm sticking with GLBT publications for my area of emphasis... Thoughts? Ideas? jtowns 07:08, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

Archiving
You are most welcome, sir, madam, or person-who-chooses-not-to-identify-with-a-gender ;) Wjhonson 18:59, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Trouble with an article
Hi there again! I'm having trouble with an article I am working on, in that I can't see the end of it. My references and other bits that were at the end of this Una Troubridge seemed to not be visible. But, if I edit the apge, there they are. I am going mad! Help!

Limerick
To make up for the delay, you get two for the price of one:


 * There was once an actor named Jake
 * Whose exploits, though noble, were fake
 * He was cast as a hick
 * But he was the wrong pick
 * For on set, he was killed with a rake


 * There was once an editor named Dev
 * Who traveled to the desert Negev
 * She continued to Shanghai
 * We continue to ask why
 * She stepped in the way of the Maglev

Philwelch 23:07, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Una
Ah, ah! One massive reference. Thanks! Fluffball70 23:12, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

From James Nightshade
Dev920: yes, I am still an "adoptee," though I know that I range pretty freely around Wiki. Thanks for the help you have offered so far.

—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Jim Nightshade (talk • contribs) 02:37, 7 March 2007 (UTC).

Una Vincenzo, Lady Troubridge on DYK for 7 March 2007
Thank you for your contributions! &mdash; ERcheck (talk) 06:30, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

WBE
The file is the latest version of "stub-meta-history.xml.gz" latest version is at http://download.wikimedia.org/enwiki/20070206/. This is 3.6 Gb so will take some time to download. The simplest thing to do, if you have disk space, is to expand the file using winzip or similar (gzip for linux).

You will need a version of perl installed, if using windows Active PErl is quite good, or the mainstream perl from (I think) www.cpan.org.

Then put this code in a text file called em.. "wbe.pl"

You should then be able to run >perl wbe.pl  >> results.txt

This will produce a set of results with the biggest contribs at the top. Take the first however-many-you-want lines and paste them to a wiki page. Bots and admins will not be marked on this version. The version that does mark them (when flagged) is on my dead machine, but may be back "RSN".

Regards Rich Farmbrough, 15:03 7 March 2007 (GMT).

Question about FAC's
Hi Dev. Good luck with Trembling. :-) Listen, as your knowledge of policies (and pretty much everything else here) is vastly greater than mine, could you clarify something for me? It's about where the difference lies between canvassing/rallying and informing other editors. For example, I saw you posted the Trembling FAC at the wikiproject page. Is that valid? I'm going through FAC too at the Spanish wiki, and I hadn't thought of mentioning it on the project page. I believed it might get me into trouble (especially if the other 6 members suddenly appear and vote support en masse). I've seen people here don't react that well when they see members of a project have been 'warned' of a vote and start voting in groups. Know of a clear-cut policy on the issue somewhere? :-) Good luck again with your FAC! Raystorm 17:24, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks! :-) I think I'll just do like you and create a new FAC section at the project. If anyone sees it, great, hehe. The FAC rules in es:Wiki are kinda weird. I need 23 support votes and I have two weeks to get them. Already got 3-0, so I hope I can make it in time. I'll try to take a look at your article and drop by at your FAC, I hope it's not getting too bloody. :-) Cheers Raystorm 11:22, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
 * You presume correctly! :-D The voting policy there is a study in maths: I need 23 supports, or at least a +11 difference. If I get at least 11 supports without reaching 23 I'll be eligible for a second round where I'll need another determined number of votes to make it a FA. Madness, I tell you. :-) You'll be happy to know that Latter Days is almost ready for FAC too (we just need a few cleanup touches and an image, since es:Wiki doesn't allow FU). I even believe it has more info than the English article now, haha. ;-)
 * I hope the situation does de-escalate at WP:AWARDS. Honestly, monitoring that page is starting to resemble watching a soap opera! ;-) I do not wish to add to the tension, but I do not believe such comments should go unchallenged either. Eh. :-) Let's see what happens now... Raystorm 16:23, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, for example, our article lists more awards than yours. :-P And we have more refs too. Yeah, okay, so we (more to the point, Elenis, I just copyedited) blatantly copied your article and 'improved' it! ;-) It's the circle of Life right? Raystorm 20:48, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Haha, that's the spirit! I do hope we get to reach a point where the English wiki will be copying the Spanish articles though. ;-) I'll give Elenis your regards. BTW, just dropped by your FAC and left my review. And I do think a table looks way better! Very interesting to read that Word changes British English to American dialect English... ;-) Raystorm 21:29, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the Madrid review! That's the kind of review I wanted before jumping in and start making changes. :-) We're modest in our aims for now, just GA (short-term). Anyway, thanks again for the review! :-) Raystorm 21:59, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

Not fired
Dev, can I ask you to reword that talkpage post? Being asked to resign is not the same thing as being fired. WjBscribe 18:59, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Jimbo has used the phrase "asked to resign" everywhere else. 'Fired' has a specific meaning and I don't think Jimbo had any legal basis to dismiss Essjay. He uses the term in that email to make it sound stronger but I cannot see how it accurately describes the situation. WP:BLP applies to talkpage and I think sticking to "asked to resign" is safer. WjBscribe 19:19, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
 * The two are not the same thing. If you fire someone you terminate their employment contract. If you asked someone to resign you invite them to terminate the contract. Those are legally different actions with different consequences. Conflating the two is a mistake. And I wish you hadn't used it in an edit summary after I had raised the concerns I did here.
 * For what could Jimbo have fired Essjay? He knew of his real identity when he gave him paid employment. All of Essjay's action on Wikipedia were available for Jimbo to check. He kept a copy of "the letter" in his userspace. In what way can Essjay therefore be said to have breached his employment contract? WjBscribe 19:30, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Thank you for you help and cooperation. It is appreciated... WjBscribe 19:34, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Hi
Hi. Thank you for offering to adopt me (and for posting the welcome template). I would be glad to have you as a wikipedia mentor! I plan to learn as much as I can on my own, but I've run into a few things that I really wanted to ask some one more experienced about. So it's good to know I can ask you. But mostly I would welcome any general help or advise you (or anyone who's reading this section of your talk page) have to offer. And in case you're worried, I would never begin a sentence with 'so', 'but', or 'and' outside of a talk page :D-Haikon 23:05, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Spell checker
Alternatively, instead of using Word, you could use Firefox 2 (http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/firefox/). It has a built in spell checker making showing misspelled words unlined in red in textboxes. Right clicking shows possible spellings and an option to add to the dictionary. And if you're not using tabbed browsing already, it makes browsing the internet and editing Wikipedia niiice. :) -- Ash Lux ( talk 19:26, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
 * If you're using Firefox 2 or newer, I think the spell checker is enabled by default. If not, go to Edit > Advanced > General Tab.  Within the Browsing section, make sure "Check my spelling as I type" is selected.  -- Ash Lux ( talk 19:39, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

Times article
Made the press ... well done! Neil  (not Proto ►)  20:16, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
 * No, but every little helps. There was a good full page article in the Daily Mirror today, too.  Neil   (not Proto ►)  20:57, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

WBE
Hi Dev,

Thank you very much for updating the list of Wikipedians by edits. It is greatly appreciated. :) And now that you've done it, can we count on you to update it every few months or so (or is that asking too much?)? Firsfron of Ronchester  21:17, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Lol, sure. I want to get someone to write me a script that will automatically exclude bots and IPs for next time though. :) Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 21:22, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm really surprised no one has thought of that yet. How did you filter out the results? Firsfron of Ronchester  02:15, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

Portal automation
I've sorted the automation of the quotes section based on how other portals work. It now alternates through a series of 10 quotes, and I've created a page where people can suggest new quotes that can replace those in the list. Should be fairly self-explanatory... I'll now have a look at how the other sections could work. WjBscribe 22:57, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

Edit count data
Hi, in you said that the data was compiled from Feb 2 data, but it appears the data hasn't changed for several months now. Was that a mistake or are you in the process of compiling new data? Cheers, AxelBoldt 00:45, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

Oops, I saw that you updated the template. Sorry, never mind. AxelBoldt 00:53, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

Portal related issues
OK, I have a few proposals and questions about the portal I want to go over with you before forging ahead with my changes. Most are based on looking at other portals and seeing what works best elswhere: Wanted to check you thought the above is the right way to go. I'll work on the archives for picture, article and bio sections as the next step in bringing the portal up to scratch. WjBscribe 20:00, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
 * 1) Change the selected article/biography so they should be updated each month rather than each week
 * 2) Have a page where people can suggest the next selected article/biography and project members can vote on the choices if there are several- this seems a good way to get our expanding membership involved in the process....
 * Re:Portal talk: LGBT. I want to move the names presently on the portal maintance rota to the Backup column. I think we should encourage newer members of the project to step up in this area. Given all of us are busy elsewhere a more back seat role would be appropriate.
 * 1) I plan to place a request on the project noticeboard for suggested pictures to use (I've made a start at User:WJBscribe/Drafts). Seems best just to have a selection to cycle through for the pics rather than the process I suggested for articles and biographies above.
 * Yeah, if there are no suggestions it seems fair enough to just select one. One month seems to be standard time on most portals. But I guess we can do fortnightly if you prefer. Just seems easier to manage the process if it happens less frequently, but I don't have a very strong opinion on the matter. WjBscribe 00:02, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

Washington Blade Again
Dev -- I tweaked the lead. Any thoughts before submitting for GA review? jtowns 09:09, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

Template change
Dev, do you know anything about this edit:. Was it discussed anywhere? Not saying its bad change, just wondering... WjBscribe 01:32, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

figured out css hiding!
Hi Dev. =) Try this out: copy the line in User:Coelacan/monobook.css over to the bottom of User:Dev920/monobook.css, then go look at Template:LGBTProject (you might have to purge your browser cache using Ctrl-F5 before you see the difference). Does that work? — coe l acan — 12:22, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Sweet. I didn't realize it would be so easy once I looked it up. I hope that serves you well. By the way, good call on removing that image from LGBT sidebar ... I had a bad feeling about it and I think you're quite right. It was a nice image though; well made and all. — coe l acan — 12:29, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

It's still being used on the Polish wiki. I left a note on the commons administrators' noticeboard; they can do as they please with it now. — coe l acan — 12:55, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

Opera seria, bassoons, rugby, etc
That is a generous offer! For the Rite of Spring - all that's really required is the bassoon solo of the first few - only about 4/5 - bars, but if the person recording wants to go with the bassoon line for that's fine by me.

I guess I'll be going back to Agrippina in the next few days. After - exhaustive - work on List of important operas, I didn't want to see an article for a bit, so I've been sticking my head in process and/or playing whack-the-vandal, all hail the mighty powers of WP:TWINKLE. It's time to write an FA, though, I've been here long enough.

Don't know if you saw it, but England taking the French apart at Twickenham this afternoon almost made up for getting walloped by the Irish. Slightly random comment. Thanks again for helping out with the recording, we desperately need some more free-content audio to ween us of our addiction to fair use. Cheers, Moreschi Request a recording? 22:23, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

WP:Films Thanks
Thanks for assisting WP:Films in the past, and we are sorry your are leaving the project. Would you still like to receive the monthly newsletter? --Nehrams2020 01:10, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

Latter Days
Hi Dev. :-) Is there any image of Latter Days that you are aware of that doesn't fall under Fair Use and could be uploaded to Commons? We're almost ready to nominate the article as FAC at the Spanish wiki, we're just polishing the final touches and an image would look great. Cheers Raystorm 16:02, 13 March 2007 (UTC)


 * I was afraid of that... The pic looks good, but at the top-left I can see something that might be copyright, do you see it? Raystorm 16:20, 13 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Aha, gotcha, thanks! :-) I've asked WJB for help since he already has an account at Commons. Hope it works out. Cheers! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Raystorm (talk • contribs) 16:31, 13 March 2007 (UTC).


 * That's one fast bot there... Raystorm 16:37, 13 March 2007 (UTC)


 * I would, but I can't find an email anywhere. However I found this about the pic, at the some rights reserved section, which is just as good right? Raystorm 16:44, 13 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Why not? I'll create an account and drop a comment, such as 'Cool pic! Mind telling us if we can upload it at http://commons.wikimedia.org/ so it can be used in all Wikipedias?' :-) Heh. Raystorm 16:56, 13 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Darn I hadn't seen WJB's reply. :-( Raystorm 17:01, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Well, to be honest . ..
I did think that it was a bit unusual, but my dear friend Raystorm requested that I do so, and rather than have any commenters feel ignored, I thought it best to at least post a "we're feeling a bit overwhelmed" notice! :)  Espana  Viva  17:33, 13 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Hey I said we should _close_ the PR, address all concerns and then do another one. :-) Raystorm 17:47, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Question about images
Hi Dev

Long time no see... anyways, I had a question about images. There's this image on the hungarian wikipedia http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/hu/6/67/10146801.pict.jpg that I wanna use on the english language version of the same page, but the regular method of specifying Image:name doesn't work - it merely shows a link to the image, not the image itself. Do you know if it is permitted to use the same images across different languages and if it is, how is it done?

Thanks :-)

Qwertyca 19:29, 13 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the advice dev - it seems to have worked - I don't have any annoying messages from bots threatening to delete my image in 7 days (The Ring, anyone?). Anyways, which of the people in that news article on your user page are you? :-) Qwertyca 22:47, 13 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Jake Gyllenhaal... Latter Days... it was so obvious... eek. Qwertyca 00:30, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

Esperanza
I don't see what's wrong with my compromise attempt. It satisfies the conditions you placed in this discussion.-- Ed  ¿Cómo estás? 23:17, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
 * The new compromise has some, but not all, of the problems fixed. I just tried out Steve's compromise because you already agreed with it, except for one sentence. That sentence was removed.
 * Both of my reasons for changing the essay is listed here.-- Ed  ¿Cómo estás? 23:49, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
 * In case you didn't know, Consensus decision-making seeks to resolve the objections of the minority. Moving on...
 * Yes, I admit that my arguements about the closing comments came to me after I began to revise the essay. I needed to consult Mailer's closing to clarify details about the essay. Nevertheless, the essay in its current form is a violation of an MfD closure and must be revised. I wouldn't really mind if you actually tried to revise the essay.-- Ed  ¿Cómo estás? 00:34, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
 * What irony? I don't see any! Oh well...I must be that stupid freshman. That is what you juniors always think...or maybe you're a senior; I could never tell. Could you please elaborate on how the essay follows the MfD closure? I presented the points I provided on the DRV, but you really haven't made any tangible arguements to support your opinion.-- Ed  ¿Cómo estás? 00:57, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

Missing LGBT articles
So far I am slowly going through all the individuals mentioned on the first list and adding the banner to them if the existing content of the article indicates their LGBT status or if it is explicitly mentioned on the first list you mentioned. A few articles do not have such explicit references in either the list or the extant article, and I will be sending you a list of them later. I hesitate to place the banner on them because many are still living and might in some way object, particularly those who are mentioned because of HIV-positive status, as is true in at least one case. When I finish going through the first list, I will go on to the later lists. So far, however, I have found no names on the list which are specifically also included in any of the missing encyclopedic articles lists, although the first list deals primarily with living people, so that probably isn't a surprise. John Carter 14:01, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
 * If you know of any articles within the scope of your project which don't have your banner yet (possibly by categories) it would help to have them tagged. John Carter 16:33, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

re: your monobook
I think your problem is that you created User:Dev920/Monobook.js rather than User:Dev920/monobook.js (notice the lower case m.) You'll want the lowercase version.  auburn pilot  talk  19:04, 14 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Oh, and you'll also want the  tags as suggested on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject User scripts by Discospinster.  auburn pilot   talk  19:07, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

English Reformation
Forgive me but you have rendered less accurate what appeared. It might help for you to say what was wrong with what was there hitherto. It is not, accoridng to my understanding copyediting.Roger Arguile 19:27, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

I have just returned from a meeting. The above was jsut a holding remark. One of the bugbears of WP is that after some period of collaborative work aomone new arrives, does not read the talk page and then makes alterations. In the initial para. the reference to High church Anglicans is anachronistic and unspecific or bluntly, wrong. The problems were other than you imply. The deletion of the civil war whose seeds were already in the earth from Elizabeth is a mistake. This was not copy editing at all. You may, for all I know be a professor of mediaeval history, but I judge not. If not then it is most helpful if editors arriving do not make minor stylistic edits which distort the original text. We all have our stylistic preferences, but there was nothing wrong with the initial remarks compared with the wider questions about what to include in way of causes of the Reformation about which there is material on the talk page. If you reverted all your edits what would be lost in the way of accuracy -a matter with which copy editing is not concerned?

Forgive me but it it important to recognise that WP articles are not fields belonging to no one but to be ploughed at will. It represented It would be helpful if you were to offer some thoughts about what could be done to introduce matters relating to causes, though as you may know the matter is hugely complex and controversial and some of us are finding it hard ot agree on what should be included. I have not the time to comment on all your changes. I don't think you can justify them. Roger Arguile 22:19, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

I see that you removed a sentence from legacy. Why? Roger Arguile 22:26, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

You will notice that I din't reevert the above. I am not sure about 'because you personally don't like it'. You yourself said that the High church refernce was a bit off. I think we are in danger of getting into what I call 'Wikitalk - ie the temperature rises and the tone sharpens. I may have started this, but the reason why I personally (I cannot act impersonally) didn't like what you wrote was that it telescoped history, omitted important information and used anachronistic language. I thought it cleaner to replace the lot. It may be that when you see a field it has thistles in it; it might be worthwhile asking around (talk page) to see if anyone put them there deliberately. Roger Arguile 22:59, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

Reliable sources
Hi, can you check out SandyGeorgia's complaint about the sourcing of List of LGB people A-E at WT:LGBT and my response to it? I'd like your input on the reliability of one of the sources that is used for a lot of entries- it seems problematic to me... Thanks, WjBscribe 05:12, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Russian LGBT-project
Hi, Dev. I've answered you here - sorry for delay. If you need to contact me directly - feel free to do it on my user discussion page in ru-wiki ru:Участник:Soularis.--Antanta 09:23, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Jake Gyllenhaal
Hi Dev, do you remember quite a few months ago, when you were working on Jake Gyllenhaal, I cropped the photo? Well, someone has messaged me about the email that somebody has regarding permission to use the image. I don't have anything like that but I thought you might have it. Was it you that uploaded the original image? If so, there's a message on my talk page, that maybe you should reply to. Personally I think the image is fine to use. If you don't know anything about it, please let me know and I'll try to work out what to do. The original image is Image:JakeGyllenhaal.jpg. I've asked the person who is questioning this to not do anything just yet. Thanks Rossrs 07:13, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
 * That's excellent. I'm glad you still had the info, even if it was hard to find.  Thanks for the reply. cheers Rossrs 22:55, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

Adopting and Articling
Thanks, much appreciated! User:Moonksy29 20.06, 16/3/07
 * 1) Please adopt me!
 * 2) I'm trying to write an article - yes i know! write one! - and the title is quite long. How do you redirect someone if they just type in, like, half of it into the search box thingy?
 * 3) Can you be adopted by more than one person?
 * 4) If you have time to adopt me, can you check out (very briefly, I know you're busy!) my article, Lambeth Articles to check that I've done the formatting and references properly.

Wish there was a Barnstar for this
If there was an Elena Ceauşescu Barnstar, I'd award it to you for this post! As it is, you'll have to settle for this pathetic little crown I had sitting on a shelf of my closet. My admiration for you has increased exponentially since reading of your cold-blooded power grabbing of a Wiki throne and fiefdom! God Bless you, and let me be the first to kneel before you, your Majesty! Jeffpw 14:53, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Anderson Cooper
I noticed your comment on the Anderson Cooper talk page where you said "I don't fully know what's been happening here". You can read more in the archived comments, especially starting at the section "WP:BLP complaint" (and continuing until the end). Basically it boils down to this:


 * AC, when interviewed refuses to answer questions about his sexual orientation.
 * Various publications such as the Washington Blade have printed statements to the effect of 'AC is gay'.
 * Putting those two things together in the AC article upset people.
 * It was claimed, among many other things, that "There is no evidence the Washington Blade is a significant, non-trivial, reliable source."

It got rather ugly at times. Could you by any chance look in the current talk page at "TVC 15's links" in "Article semi-protected (Part 3)" of the current talk page? If you would support the inclusion of any/all of those it would help a lot. Thanks! -- Limulus 05:10, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Good morning
Don't you find it odd that Kscottbailey, who ostensibly has been here less than a month, has a vandalism watchlist, knows when things will drop off of said list, and can quote policy the way others can quote catechism? One wants to think charitably about everybody, but sometimes it's just so damn hard. Jeffpw 08:13, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Prayers
Hi, Can I copy your prayers for myself.-- Sa.vakilian(t-c) 11:32, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

Update
Hi there. :-) Congrats on getting Trembling to FA status! I'm a bit late getting the news. I'm barely around nowadays it would seem, I'm fully engaged at es:Wiki. You wouldn't believe how many important articles don't exist there, or are merely stubs. It's quite the challenge hehe. But the project there is going really well now, I've got a handful of very dedicated editors improving articles left and right. And we have our first FA now. :-) And hopefully, a GA soon. Not bad. Anyway, just wanted to keep you posted (and brag a bit about how well everything is going, what the hell!), and congratulate you again for Trembling. I'm guessing the Andrew article is next? :-) Cheers! Raystorm 19:18, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Just read my signpost and saw that Trembling had been made an FA. Congrats. WjBscribe 01:00, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Re: Danny
No annoucement of reasons yet. He desysopped himself, removed his crat status. Then removed his steward access. And Brad moved him to the list of former staff on Foundations site (see ). But no one has said why... WjBscribe 00:09, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Keeping an eye on Jimbo's page and contribs to see if he tells us what's going on ;-) ... WjBscribe 00:17, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Userpage
Hey homie, thanks for adopting me. :D. Are you going 2 have a user-box for me as well?

Ok so my REAL questions (for now), are as follows:

Can you help me get a great layout for my page? It's really bad...

Is there a userbox for people trying to translate pages into other Wikis? Is there anything special?

What can I do to improve the Queer Click page? I created it, but people think that it sounds too much like an advertisment. I know the owner/operator of the site so that's where I got all of my info from.

Any tips for improving my anti-vandalism skills? Where can I find pages that may be vandalised?

Thanks hun, reply whenever you can, I understand bad times. Thanks!!

Bryse 01:03, 22 March 2007 (UTC)Bryse

GLBT lists
Ok, I've added images. These pages were really much more difficult than the first one, there is a serious lack of photos for many of the articles. I tried to get a broad range of people as well. There were some issues with the layout for some of the smaller letter sections. I hope it looks ok...I don't like it on my home computer, but they look fine on my computer at work. I just read the article about you in the time! Tres cool! :-) Take care! *Exeunt* Ganymead | Dialogue? 03:40, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

QC
Queerclick does/can link to other places on the site. I just need to take the time to fix-up the page. Also, I'm not the owner/operator of the site, but I know the guy. I want my page to have boxes on the left and right, and text in the middle, an About Me section. I've looked around A LOT! I cannot find much that I really like... If you come across anything, let me know. None of the languages available I know. Sorry hun. Also, I'd like to be a bigger part of the LGBT Wikipedia section, what's a big thing that I can do to help? Let me know. I'm off the bed, thanks! Nite! (10.41 PM).

Bryse 03:42, 22 March 2007 (UTC)Bryse

P.S.- Feel free to email me also, [email address removed].

Re: Why not sign up?
Hi and thanks for the invite. You guys are doing a great job on the LGBT project. If I feel like I'm going to take this on long-term, I'll be sure to sign on with you guys. Cheers! --67.188.0.96 05:35, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Chat continued
Heh, busy indeed! ;-) Good luck with Andrew, although that's not really necessary is it? ;-D Article you adopt, article that becomes a FA in due time...

About your query, so far I haven't had any problems at all at es:wiki. In fact, I get the sense that most admins there are quite supportive of gay issues (you know, quick to revert anti-gay propaganda -of which there's a lot- and argue anti-gay comments at talk pages). And our FA sailed through without a prob (24-0). I also got a lot of help when I was first building up the project, and some editors even warn me when discussions about deleting LGBT articles are taking place. I'm sure sooner or later we'll hit some snags, but I'm not getting homophobic vibes so far from registered editors, and I'm certainly not being prevented of making contributions. If there are problems in other Wikipedias we may need to check it out. As you said, it would be our responsability. It is a serious accusation. Unfortunately I don't speak german (only french and a smattering of italian), so I can't check it out either. But there must be someone here that speaks german and can do that. The idea of a MetaProject sounds good, although we would need editors that spoke several languages just to understand each other. :-) The wikis that have homophobic editors would certainly find it helpful. I think the idea has a lot of potential! Raystorm 16:20, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Another FA?
I'm starting to hate you for this. You're getting so far ahead of me it's becoming farcical. Get writing, Moreschi! Grrr....16:25, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

P.S Oh yeah, congrats. Cheers, Moreschi Request a recording? 16:25, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Cites
Can you elaborate what you mean by "those stupid cite templates, which are really difficult to change, and they mess up the uniform look of the references"?

From my experience, it's much easier to change "|last=Smith" to "|last=Smythe" than it is to change a fully written cite. And the templates were created specifically to make refs uniform, so I don't understand that. Thoughts? -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 17:02, 22 March 2007 (UTC)


 * So you're saying this:


 * Is better than this:


 * ? By my count, your way has ~40 fewer characters - and seven of those are unnecessary spaces I use to make it more readable.  Both ways interrupt the flow of the text, but only in the editing box.  But my way means I don't have to know anything about the "proper" way a citation should be done.  I use them mostly because the "proper" way is confusing to me.  I'd rather have the template format it - I'll just provide the data.  And why do you spend time manually changing them? Don't they end up looking exactly the same in the references section? -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs)  20:35, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Re: Polish Wikiproject
Hi! Thanks for messaging me about Polish wiki and being interested:) Unfortunately there isn't an LGBT project on the Polish Wikipedia, and it doesnt seem there is going to be one in the nearest future. There are only several active authors in the field (not organised), and most of them busy in their "real" lives, therefore not being able to put enough energy in Wiki. There is no strong lobby that would protect the interests of LBT people in the Polish wikipedia.

As you probably imagine, since Wikipedia is edited by the general public, in Polish wiki the homophobic approach is not uncommon. Although it is very rarely expressed explicitly. Articles and categories can for example be marked as "for deletion" without noticing the author and then erased. Although it does not happen to articles that are heavily documented or have their foreign versions. For example my translations of pl:Polari and pl:Joe Orton were never violated.

As I observe there are three mayor difficulties surrounding the gay-related articles:

1. Polish Wikipedia is very rich in articles on 'political' topics connected with homosexualism: like LGBT ngos, gay-marriages in various countries, theories on why people are gay, and articles like 'homosexuality and religion' etc. (which usually have good quality and are objective, however have to be protected from editing due to frequent edit-wars) - But very poor in articles covering gay and lesbian culture, queer studies, or important LGBT people. This, in my opinion, reflects the current situation of the public debate in Poland, where homosexualism is still symbolical (as a matter of ideological and philosophical debate), not as something 'real', 'here and now', connected with real living people. I try to translate some articles from English Wiki, but as I dont really have a lot time, it goes very slow:) I'm still very proud of my Polari and Joe Orton though ehehehe:> Currently working on camp.

2. It is difficult to systematise LGBT related topic. To organise them in a way, so that users can actually find them. Very often LGBT categories get marked as "for deletion" and in the end get erased by the public vote. An example: I observed this happening to a category "Filmy LGBT" ("LGBT Films"). Most voters said that there isn't enough movies like that (sic!) to create a category, or that such category is not needed, or that it's unclear which film is LGBT and which isn't. After the category was erased, a huge effort was put to translate articles about all known to us LGBT Films (so that it would be clear there are a lot of them). And then, they all were put to a new category "Filmy z motywami LGBT" ("Films with LGBT motifs"). And at this very moment there is a voting for deletion. So far 19 say DELETE and 23 say KEEP. http://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:SDU/Kategoria:Motywy_LGBT_w_filmie

3. It is very difficult to add information on sexuality of famous people. Especially Polish famous people. Like artists, politicians, kings/queens and poets. Same for adding them to LGBT People category. Seems too much hastle to argue each time.

I hope this gives you some idea. Sorry if my language is unclear today:> I'm just a bit tired, and probably less concentrated on what I'm saying:>

Boyau 00:34, 23 March 2007 (UTC)


 * The category i called "Filmy z motywami LGBT" is in fact called "Motywy LGBT w filmie" (LGBT motifs in film). Boyau 00:48, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

Accepting invite
OK, OK... You talked me into it! ;) Jokestress 15:21, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

Question on English language styles
Hi Dev920. I have a dilemma question on English language styles. I am a native British English speaker, but have lived and worked in the USA, my partner is American and I flip between the two countries quite regulary. Normally when I write an article(or anything else) I use the language stlye that the subject would have used or the style that my audience requires.

I am currently working on an article Lili Elbe, who was Danish, lived in France, died in Germany and I doubt if she even spoke English! The question is is it better to write the article using American or British English? e.g. Specialized/Specialised ?

Thanks, Fluffball70 08:58, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

Swedish Wikipedia and homophobia
Hi there,

Sorry it has taken me a while to get back to you about this. If truth be told I don't follow the Swedish wikipedia a great deal except for when whatever I am looking for happens to be related to the country in some way and a native viewpoint is useful. I have, however, had a look through at some of the controversial (on the English wikipedia anyway) articles such as the homosexuality page itself, same sex marriage and homophobia and have found very little in the way of vandalism or edit warring. I think the Swedes really live up to their reputation on this one of being exceptionally progressive. What is an enormously divisive issue for us isn't as much of a problem for them. Maybe I should spend more time there :)

Take care.Intesvensk 21:42, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

re: Billy Joe Armstrong
I saw controversial, and possibly libellous, stuff added so i reverted back. sorry, i just assumed your points were the incorrect ones to adopt in such a manner. If you feel strongly about it feel free to revert it back. Cheers, Jonomacdrones  (talk)  00:52, 25 March 2007 (UTC)


 * you're right actually, 3RR may apply here. Okay, i'll revert it back. Surely by definition he isn't bisexual? Thats something about the guy i never understood, but thats not important here. Cheers, Jonomacdrones  (talk)  00:58, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

Re: your email
Hi Dev920, I just responded to the email you sent to me awhile back. Sorry it took me so long to get to it. --Akhilleus (talk) 03:11, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

btw
Don't forget to watchlist this now. — coe l acan — 12:47, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

SatyrBot, etc
As you've probably noticed, SatyrBot's been messing up on the daily "articles for cleanup" run. I'm going to rewrite the section that's causing problems - hopefully today. Sorry for that - silly bots are so much trouble! :)

And on another note, I've got a question posted to Template:Cite news asking about the date placement, but haven't seen any responses. I'll post it on the village pump too and hope to get an answer. -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 14:06, 25 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Whew. I think I finally got SatyrBot working again. -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs)  00:19, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Working Man barnstar
Hi there Dev. :-) I disagree with you about the WM barnstar issue, as you've been able to tell. I was thinking we need more people to jump in on this one. Would it be canvassing if I dropped a note at WP:GS alerting them about the vote, as it clearly falls under their area of interest? I don't know what they'll vote, but their opinion should be relevant. What do you think? :-) Raystorm 16:01, 25 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Great. Thanks! Just did it. :-) Cheers Raystorm 16:20, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

Washington Blade review
OK, done the GA review. I don't think it passes at the moment. But my issues shouldn't be too difficult to address. I've put it on hold and hopefully it can pass in the next few days. WjBscribe 23:38, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks
Hey Dev920, thanks for your Support at Homer's Phobia's FAC, it is much appreciated, and the article passed. Gran2 17:32, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

RfA?
Dev920, thanks for the kind offer you made on my talk page. Actually, I've been thinking that this is a good time to try for an RfA, so your timing is impeccable. If you're still willing, I'd be honored to have you as a nominator (hopefully, it would be a co-nomination, as I've also asked User:Durova, who offered awhile ago). But please don't feel any obligation to do so. --Akhilleus (talk) 04:00, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your nomination. I'm not sure I deserve such a nice statement, but I'm grateful. It's up now, so we'll see how it goes... --Akhilleus (talk) 14:19, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

Andrew Van De Kamp
I hate templates too and have put the page on my watch list and will revert any attempt to change styles without consensus. Also I supported the nom, great work on the article. Aaron Bowen 09:44, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Newsletter delivery
How do you tell who gets the newsletter in full and who gets a link? -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 15:40, 27 March 2007 (UTC)


 * So at the moment, everyone gets the full newsletter &mdash; no one's getting just a link. Kewl :) -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs)  22:08, 27 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Cuz it's the 27th and I remember last month you spent hours(?) delivering them and didn't want to do it by hand again :) SatyrBot can deliver them whenever the newsletter is ready to go. -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs)  22:16, 27 March 2007 (UTC)


 * I did - I haven't responded yet, but it's on my todo list. Taiwan!?!?  And I think our project is exemplary in the way it grew and the way it's run.  Just my humble opinion :) -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs)  23:07, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Alan Cumming
I have some personal pics taken of Alan Cumming when he was in San Francisco a few years ago for Pride. Click here to view. Let me know if it's useful. Also pictured are (left) Kathleen McGuire (conductor, San Francisco Gay Men's Chorus) and (right) Stephanie Smith (conductor, Lesbian/Gay Chorus of San Francisco). I may have other pics, too. MusicMen 21:23, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

LGBT Studies Newsletter
Hello. I am requesting that I do not receive that LGBT Studies Newsletter anymore, due to the fact that I am no longer a member of the Wikipedia community. Thank you. WereWolf 16:34, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

edits to Esperanza
I would like to inform you that you have made 3 reversions to the essay. One more edit will put you in violation of WP:3RR. Please try to discuss this.-- Ed  ¿Cómo estás? 22:08, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I would like to propose a truce to you, so that we can get the hell out of this arguement. Please message me back to tell me what you think.
 * An admin will remove the current timed protection and implement a permanent protection. I will agree not to post of WP:RFPP until we sort this out.
 * We will ignore any past conflicts, discussions, warnings, warrings, personal feelings, etc. I will act as if I never met you before, and vice versa. (well...we can try!)
 * We discuss on neutral ground. (DoomsDay?) You agree not to remove my comments. I will agree to stick to the topic at hand, and will avoid digressing into other topics.
 * If you can convince me that the essay at its current state is acceptable to the general Wikipedian population, (i.e. people that did and did not have affiliation with EA or its debates) I will promise to remove EA from my watchlist and to terminate any interest in the essay.
 * If you cease to discuss with me, revert my actions, etc. I will return to editing Esperanza, and this "truce" is off.
 * Please consider this truce very seriously.-- Ed  ¿Cómo estás? 22:38, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I accept these terms. Also note that I will only back down if you can get proof that editors other than those that participated in its discussions approve of the essay as well. Would you like to continue discussion at DD's page?-- Ed  ¿Cómo estás? 22:50, 28 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Fine. How about people who weren't members and who didn't have a notable role in the deletion? That immediately removes the comments of all nominators (you, me, and moreschi), members of Esperanza, closing and deleting admins (mailer diablo, trialsanderrors, alphachimp, cyde, etc.)-- Ed  ¿Cómo estás? 22:58, 28 March 2007 (UTC)


 * I'll be waiting: ;) I'll start discussing on DD's talk page.-- Ed  ¿Cómo estás? 23:08, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

BTW would it be okay with you if I requested a change on the essay like this one? AFAIK the list of projects is on Wikipedia talk:Esperanza-- Ed  ¿Cómo estás? 00:07, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Old Comrade
It seems the beast rears it's head again. What's going on with you, Ed, and Esperanza? I've seen the reversions and protections and am just generally concerned. I've already contacted Ed, and just want to help you guys sort this out.  Dooms Day349  22:20, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Ah, yes. I feel that plight.  I know you might have in the past, but it seems like you two might want to talk this out.  My talk page is open as a neutral discussion area, if you like. I've made Ed the same offer on this.  [Applicable Deity] knows I want to end this as much as you do.   Dooms  Day349  22:28, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

Re:Email
Sure! I was going to ask Satyr for your email!

Mine is [email removed]

WereWolf 23:11, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

More on cites
Where it currently stands... -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 05:25, 29 March 2007 (UTC) he Blair Witch Project]] (recently delisted GA), The Public Enemy (recentlly delisted GA), Cinéma vérité, The Departed

your minor nemesis has returned
Back at AFD after deletion review. Since you originally nominated it I thought you should be notified. — coe l acan — 04:28, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia Signpost
I have a few positions open. You said you didn't want to do the technology report. If you're interested in press coverage about Wikipedia, you can help with our In the news section. What I'd really like are a few people to cover special stories, like the story I wrote this week about Danny and Brad's resignations. If anything appeals to you in particular, let me know, and I'll give you more information. If you're still not sure, let me know, and I can give you an idea of what I'm looking for. Thanks so much for volunteering. Ral315 » 05:03, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Andrew pic
Some copyright paranoiac is trying to have the pic of him in the infobox deleted. See the pic page for details. Aaron Bowen 01:38, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
 * The guy responded to you on the deletion request page. It's apparent he wants all pics deleted. Aaron Bowen 16:45, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

Featured articles
I don't know off-hand, though I'd guess that Lord Emsworth might've done better, given the sheer number of FAs he had passed. Ral315 » 08:02, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

Turtle Creek Chorale
Honey, not only did you remove the gay table from a gay article (which you probably realize by now), but in using the "undo" button, you reinserted plagiarized text that I had removed. Please check your changes before hitting that save button, to make sure that's what you intended to do. That entire history section in the article was copied verbatim from their website. Thanks, Jeffpw 10:07, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Dev, you missed the point of my message--sometimes "edit" is better than "undo", since in this case you reinserted plagiarized text to the article. It's no problem, and I fixed it, but I just wanted to let you know what happened. Jeffpw 12:39, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

From James Nightshade--Wikimania?
Dev--things have been going okay. I have working on my usual types of things, stuff in literature and theory (Susanne Langer, Carlos Castaneda, Umberto Eco, F. Scott Fitzgerald). Speaking of that, the F. Scott Fitzgerald page is surprisingly sloppy, given the topic. I cleaned it up some. Occasionally I'll make a change without logging in, such as my additions to "money."

Wikimania in Taipei? What is that? I'll have to look it up. Sounds like fun. I am always looking for something to do beside go to classes, teach classes, and read 100 pages a day or more.

I have the information now. I see it is being held at the Chien Tan Overseas Youth Activity Center. I taught a Debate class their a couple of years ago in fact. It's a nice education center in Taipei, near the old Grand Hotel. I wonder how much of the program will be in English, and how much in Chinese. I'm getting better, but still struggle a lot with Chinese. It's a devilishly difficult language.

LGBT WikiProject Newsletter
SatyrBot 05:03, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

Nicer note
Hey Dev,

I was feeling guilty that my note over at Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates might seem unfriendly, so I thought I'd send you a more personal note. :) I really appreciate you conjuring up reviewers for the FAC, and I totally agree that the article should be as good as it can be, no matter how long it takes. I've tried my best, but I'm always willing concede that it could be done better or differently.  I just think that we should try to hold onto a nice image of the Britannica within ourselves, don't you agree?  It's so easy, especially for the average Wikipedian (you know), to slip into that hypercompetitive mode and get unnecessarily negative; and the next thing you know, Robert McHenry and Jimmy Wales are grappling in a pay-per-view smack-down. ;)  Not a pretty sight, and not the way to make the world a finer place.

You seem really cool, and I'm impressed by all your work at WP:LGBT. Being a Coordinator is hard work; I was almost elected Coordinatrix at WP:MCB, but I successfully dodged it. ;) I also appreciate your advertising the latest collaboration; although it would probably save you some vandal-grief to be more discreet, it's good to be open and unafraid.  Wait, it got reverted?  Confused but...

Glad for the chance to be introduced, Willow 20:58, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

Adminship
Hey Dev, are you an admin yet/if you were nominated, would you want adminship? HornandsoccerTalk 02:06, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Ok, wow, after that, I don't think I'd want to go through it again either. Nevertheless, I'm sure you'd make a great admin. Have a nice day! HornandsoccerTalk 13:53, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

WikiProjectCouncil?
Dev, is the WPC active? Do they do anything? What's their main talk page? Glamour and Glitter! -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 13:32, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

Jake
God, that would be pretty awesome, no? My last few photo shoots have produced so many awful photos, though. I'm a little discouraged. I'm meeting with Larry Kramer next Thursday, and I am so down about my cheap camera right now. --David Shankbone 16:43, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I don't know how I find the time. I work full-time and I spent about 30-40 hours a week editing or photographing for Wikipedia.  What can I say?  I'm a nerd.  But it allows me to meet some really cool people.  --David Shankbone 20:01, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

List of gay, lesbian or bisexual people/A-E
You might want to read John Amaechi's article, actually — he does live in Britain currently. Bearcat 23:11, 6 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Yeah, but as he currently lives in Manchester, characterizing him as British is more of a misunderstanding than "vandalism" per se. That's all I mean. Bearcat 23:16, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

GA Stuff
Hi Dev, thanks for letting me know about User:Messedrocker/Contest. I have added my Minorities Research Group article, that no-one seems to want to review, to his competitor list. Perhaps its subject matter is too scary and obscure?! So, I thought I'd try reviewing someone else's GA Nominee article and picked Nikki Grahame. I picked this one not because I had any idea who this woman was(I've never seen Big Brother), but because it had been sitting there a long time. Whould you mind looking at my review comments and seeing if they are fair or if there is anything glaringly obvious that I might have missed? If not, then thanks again. Fluffball70 10:40, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

Boothroyd
Can you explain this edit? No evidence that he is gay in the article and actually what was needed was a simple BLP template. Perhaps you could also explain your edit comment. Thanks, SqueakBox 14:51, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

What David does as a user is not relevant as we are talking about a main space bio subject to BLP. This is not his user talk page it is a page on wikipedia and there is no evidence that he is gay on that page. if you can source that he is gay that would be fine but till then we casnnot make that assumption based on what he does as a wikipedia user (one I am familair with). Cheers, SqueakBox 16:57, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

I strongly disagree. We need a source for this, and that is that. BLP says "Unsourced or poorly sourced contentious material — whether negative, positive, or just highly questionable — about living persons should be removed immediately and without discussion from Wikipedia articles[2], talk pages, user pages, and project space." so please provide a source. Boothroyd cannot work from personal experience any more than the rest of us and his failure top remove the cats means precisely nothing. Please source, SqueakBox 17:11, 7 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Squeakbox, what are you on here? I can't go on personal experience of me being gay to confirm where it says in my biography that I am? Utterly bizarre. But Dev920, please don't accuse me of constantly changing my account name. I took a decision last summer that I wanted privacy and a separation between my real life identity and my wikipedia name. As I was also going through the ArbCom trouble I also wanted a separate account which would remain unblocked just in case I needed to correct errors of fact in my biography. This was accepted at the time as legitimate. Once I had reached a settlement in the ArbCom case I then arranged to change my usual editing name once, and once only.


 * This has not been entirely successful as people continue to break privacy policy and connect my real life identity to my username, which is why my contributions are limited. I am trying to resist this connection being made. The reason this talk page was started again was that it was deleted by an admin because an IP editor had persisted in adding a link. The previous deleted page included some of my comments on sources which might be used in the article. I would ask you to acknowledge that I have not broken WP:COI (which did not exist then) on the page. DavidBoothroyd 00:08, 8 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Hello David, I am certainly aware of your arbcom run-in and for me there certainly has been no conflict of interest. I support the subject of any BLP article being able to contribute in a healthy way. I didnt know you were gay and was being cautious. Best wishes! SqueakBox 02:33, 8 April 2007 (UTC)


 * So my repeated arguments to you were so much white noise, were they? Jeez, just let me know you're not listening next time and save me typing time. Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 02:43, 8 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Err, I was asking for a source. When I have the time I will go through everyone living on the gay cats checking for sourcing as this is wikipedia BLP policy. I am pro-gay but aware of the dangers of being outed. You cant without solid reliable sources claim someone is gay. What if they hadnt told their parents/family? and wikipedia outed them? That would go beyond the purposes and aims of wikipedia. Being outed must be a terrible experience and there is NO justificcation for labelling someone as gay without sourcing. If you want to bring this to a policy level, please do so as I know I am merely enfocing basic wikipedia BLP policy. Best wishes, SqueakBox 23:42, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
 * And I told you repeatedly that David had read his own goddamn article and not objected in the slightest to those cats. How can we possibly be "claiming" someone is gay if they effectively state it themselves? Oh, and if you're planning to go through all the gay cats, you need to be aware of our List of gay, lesbian or bisexual people lists, which usually have sources where articles don't. We have a list of the unsourced here. If you could actually help us source people instead of removing their categories so we can never know about them and leave them unsourced forever, that would be good. Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 23:48, 8 April 2007 (UTC)


 * SqueakBox, not only does the Boothroyd article have a source:, but WP:LGBT is quite aware of WP:BLP. Take a look at our current efforts at reviewing everyone in the "gay cats". Believe me - we're keeping on top of BLP to be sure. -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs)  00:49, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

Boothroyd only has a source because I insisted Dev find one, ie it was unsourced. Now it is sourced it is fine to label him as gay but the facgt that the subject of the article was fine with it is not enough. He might have seen it as a compliment and unsourced compliments are also absolutely subject to removal re BLP. We dont trust the subjects of articles to get their bios right (even an editor as respected as David), we rely on sources for that, and givent he nature of gay relations in our society this is an issue that needs handling with particular delicacy and I am glad to hear that for the most opart you are indeed on top of BLP, SqueakBox 17:36, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

Talk:List of bisexual people
Boy, you are really loved aren't you. :) I would remove that vandalism warning btw. Unless you take as a Les Gueux honour. That last edit wasn't really a personal attack, however if he/she continues I will semi-protect that talk page for 24 hours. Garion96 (talk) 19:22, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

Adopt me
I want you to adopt me please. Jet123 My talk page 22:00, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

Adopt Jet123
Did you adopt me? Jet123 My talk page 00:12, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

Times article
Hey Dev, I read the article you have linked on your user page. That's really neat that you're quoted there. You didn't say anything about WP:LGBT? (Just teasing!) :)  Aleta 04:19, 8 April 2007 (UTC)


 * That doesn't surprise me... :/  Aleta 13:46, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

RFA questions
How long do I wait to become an administrator on Wikipedia? I want to help Wikipedia. Jet123 My talk page 20:41, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

Andrew van de Kamp
Sorry, which images? (I've gone over about 400 today so forgive me 0:) ) – Riana ऋ 20:56, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Cheers, found 'em while you were sending that :) Errrm, Image:Andrewvandekamp3.PNG isn't being considered for IfD as far as I can tell. I can tell you if my change had anything to do with the IfD if you can give me a link to the IfD... I deleted previous revisions of the file because they were too big to qualify as fair use (the logs tell you what I've done, more or less). – Riana ऋ 21:01, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Never mind, found the discussion. My change doesn't affect the discussion, no. Some admin with more image experience than myself will come along sometime and tell you what the deal is with that one. Sorry I couldn't be more helpful. – Riana ऋ 21:05, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Heh, yeah, I just realised that :) I'm no good with IfD, I can delete the basic orphaned fair use and unsourced stuff, but the rest goes over my head a little. Don't tell :) Anyway, nice talking to you, I'm outta here. Take care, – Riana ऋ 21:08, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the revert
Yeah, I know who that is. It's a trolling jackass whose particular shtick is anti-Asian racism: he's been thwacking away at the user/user-talk of Riana for maybe a week now, and has now moved onto those who revert him. If you see any Canberran IP committing that pattern of vandalism, please feel free to report straight away to AIV with the relevant details. No need to waste time warning this guy, he knows what he's doing. At any rate, thanks greatly for reverting :) Cheers, Moreschi Request a recording? 09:35, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

Taking a break
Sorry, but I'm taking a WikiBreak. Recently everything I try to do on Wikipedia turns to dust: my edits, even if just stylistic, are reverted, maintenance tags I add are instantly and repeatedly removed, advice I give to new editors is ignored, mediation attempts likewise, and just when I was thinking that list of bisexual people is the only article I ever worked on that's in reasonably good condition, a bunch of TerriNun-minded people are repeatedly trying to add those who've made explicit statements to the effect that they are not bisexual. I cannot bloody stand it anymore, and the idea that anyone should consider these flaming biphobes as part of my community makes me ill.

When (or if) I feel able to calmly edit Wikipedia again, I will be happy to rejoin the LGBT studies project, maybe translate some biographies or provide sources in Hebrew. I think the project could benefit from a more comprehensive worldwide perspective.

Thanks for all your help. You're probably one of the most competent, reasonable and helpful editors I've met since starting on Wikipedia six months ago. Keep up the good work. LeaHazel : talk : contribs 11:23, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

Esperanza
Thanks for telling me that the redirect has indeed pointed to the new location. --Deryck C. 12:59, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

LGBT missing articles
Regret to say that with the creation of the new Oriental Orthodoxy project and the ongoing Version 1.0 article tagging the rest of my activities have gotten less attention than I would generally like. Am still working on the missing articles list for your project, but won't be able to devote as much time as I would like probably until after the article tagging is completed. John Carter 13:36, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

Esperanza
What exactly is wrong with this version? I'm totally okay with Moreschi's edit. Could you please explain to me why you dislike the revision?-- Ed  ¿Cómo estás? 16:17, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Dev, actually, I'm just about OK with my revision as well. Tell me what's broken and I'll fix it - but really, anything to end the edit war. Cheers, Moreschi Request a recording? 16:22, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Is my revision as of now acceptable to everyone? I strongly advise all to accept this compromise. Moreschi Request a recording? 16:50, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

Reverting
I will revert Ed's last edit, but that's all I'm prepared to do, as that was the edit that I blocked for Ryanpostlethwaite contribs/talk 17:30, 9 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Re CyclePat, you can afford to let it drop. More reverts can happen once this is finished. Moreschi Want some help? Ask! 20:05, 10 April 2007 (UTC)


 * I know. Still, one must have faith that some good will come out of this. Got to make the effort. Did I ever congratulate you on your latest FAs? Great work. Cheers, Moreschi Want some help? Ask! 20:18, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Don't you try to ablative absolute me, saeva puella, or I'll bury you under a mound of final clauses and decorate the grave with a liberal helping of predicative datives! Cheers, Moreschi Want some help? Ask! 14:39, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

Re:
Thanks for the Barnstar! It's good to feel appreciated. :)

Oh, and I totally agree with you about Enter the Dragonfly. It was sluggish and the atmosphere was just not up to that of the original three games. The same could be said for its predecessors. I bought A New Beginning for my DS and actually it was alright. It wasn't classic platformer Spyro but as a game in itself it was pretty good.

Again, thanks for the Barnstar. Smomo 21:51, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

Andrew Van De Kamp
Ah, thanks. :) I figured I'd just throw in a third-party view about the situation.  I've started a thread on the article's talkpage, hopefully everyone can work consensus out there. --Elonka 23:28, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

wikiprojects and rfa
So, someone was suggesting that wikiprojects should "endorse" candidates for adminship. I would assume this would involve straw polling at the projects. Most of the relevant discussion is at User talk:Kelly Martin or will soon be in the archive there. So I ask, what do you think about WP:LGBT doing this? My personal opinion is "heck no", I personally won't have any wikiprojects endorsing me, and I think it amounts to politicking that should be strongly discouraged. But the question may come up; several editors seem to like it. What say Dev? — coe l acan — 07:33, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

Two-Spirit
I left this message on the disputed articles page. But maybe you know more about it?
 * Two-Spirit What's happening here? This article about transgendered native americans was a part of the LGBT project. Now it's not anymore. Neither is there a reference to this article in any of the lists or topics about trans-gendered persons. My reference in the article about the use of the concept by European groups of transgendered persons has been removed. Is there going to be a native and non-native Wikipedia? Eezie 21:20, 11 April 2007 (UTC)