User talk:Devil Gizmo

November 2023
Hello, I'm AntiDionysius. I noticed that you added or changed content in an article, Castiel (Supernatural), but you didn't provide a reliable source. It's been removed and archived in the page history for now, but if you'd like to include a citation and re-add it, please do so. You can have a look at referencing for beginners. If you think I made a mistake, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thank you. AntiDionysius (talk) 00:20, 9 November 2023 (UTC)


 * There is so much evidence all over the net and the churches and everything. Its un arguable fact and there is even statements by the producers that proves how and why they choose that angel name . They only used that of a few REAL angel names.
 * I know very damn much that meaning of the angels name as it is even my sons name and it is not because of the stupid show. It is because of the meaning behind the name of the angel.
 * Do you want proof Google it research it yourself and you will find it everywhere
 * That is not a name of an angel that supernatural created Devil Gizmo (talk) 00:28, 9 November 2023 (UTC)
 * "Google it research it yourself" is not how it works on Wikipedia. AntiDionysius (talk) 00:33, 9 November 2023 (UTC)

Please stop. If you continue to violate Wikipedia's no original research policy by adding your personal analysis or synthesis into articles, you may be blocked from editing. OhNo itsJamie Talk 00:27, 9 November 2023 (UTC)


 * There is so much evidence all over the net and the churches and everything. Its un arguable fact and there is even statements by the producers that proves how and why they choose that angel name . They only used that of a few REAL angel names.
 * I know very damn much that meaning of the angels name as it is even my sons name and it is not because of the stupid show. It is because of the meaning behind the name of the angel.
 * Do you want proof Google it research it yourself and you will find it everywhere
 * That is not a name of an angel that supernatural created
 * how are you guys allowed to go in falsely playing supernatural came up with the name and that is a fictional angel name without evidence to back that up so you cannot tell me that I need to prove to you something that you can go and look for yourself. You guys clearly did absolutely no research behind this conclusion, so how about you go and do it now and stop being a fucking idiot Devil Gizmo (talk) 00:30, 9 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Further personal attacks or addition of your own commentary will result in an indefinite end to your editing here. OhNo itsJamie Talk 00:31, 9 November 2023 (UTC)
 * you guys are tacking on me and false claiming things and I am making the correction that is logical and legit, and you guys are trying to tell me that I need to provide evidence. Well, tell me who provided evidence to the false claims the supernatural fictionally created the name castiel ?
 * But yet you’re being ignorant and telling me that I need to proof something to you that you could go and look for yourself on 1000 pages you can even contact the churches. There is so many ways that you can even find out the verification to it.
 * And even the fact that you need evidence that proves you don’t know what you’re talking about Devil Gizmo (talk) 00:36, 9 November 2023 (UTC)
 * The article doesn't say that the Supernatural writers invented the name Castiel from nowhere. AntiDionysius (talk) 00:38, 9 November 2023 (UTC)
 * It claims that the angel castiel is fictional,
 * My correction corrects the fact that the angel name is not fictional. However, the plot and design of the character is fictional and yet you remove that.
 * Because there is people that are sending me this fucking garbage claiming to me that my sons name is not a real angel’s name because the angel name castiel was created by supernatural because of your stupid fucking website falsely claiming Devil Gizmo (talk) 00:39, 9 November 2023 (UTC)
 * It says that the character on the TV show is fictional. It says nothing about whether or not there also existed an angel in scripture with the same name. AntiDionysius (talk) 00:41, 9 November 2023 (UTC)
 * The way the context is written, makes it appear to so many people that supernatural created the angel name, and the angel name castiel is a fictional character
 * The only fictional about castiel is about the way he is, and the fact that castiel is found to be a male. There is no sex known for the angel cassiel or castiel.
 * And the way that it is claimed that the angel castiel is for the show is fictional compared to what the real angel castiel is
 * I made a correction to include that factor to better clear it up and you just remove it and tell me I need to provide evidence Devil Gizmo (talk) 00:40, 9 November 2023 (UTC)
 * It does not imply in the slightest that the writers were the very first ones to ever use the name "Castiel". Anyone assuming that from the text would, indeed, be making a massive assumption. AntiDionysius (talk) 00:45, 9 November 2023 (UTC)
 * So prove to me, show me the proof that supernatural producers created the angel name, castiel, and that is a fictional angel fictional character
 * Also, on top of that proof to me, that supernatural has been produced and existed since before 1901 Devil Gizmo (talk) 00:38, 9 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Perhaps your confusing Castiel with Cassiel? OhNo itsJamie Talk 00:43, 9 November 2023 (UTC)
 * NO I have provided you guys already. There was two angel names read what I’m saying. Devil Gizmo (talk) 00:44, 9 November 2023 (UTC)
 * https://www.behindthename.com/name/castiel
 * https://www.behindthename.com/name/cassiel
 * you could also find the name, castiel in it, baby name, book as represented as the name of an angel that resides over the day of Thursday that has existed since the 13th century
 * In which is exactly how we chose my son name, and now people try and claim to me that I am lying, and I don’t know what I’m talking about, and that this show supernatural came up with the name of that angel that they created the name of the angel because of your top section which I’m trying to correct
 * Because it is provable everywhere, else, and so many idiots try to think that Wikipedia is legit that is made by complete found documenting proof and evidence that Wikipedia is not open source in which Wikipedia is open source that anyone can add edits to Wikipedia pages
 * There is so much evidence that I can prove to you that the angel castiel is a real angel
 * The only thing fictional is the way castiel is presented in the show
 * I am not disputing I am disputing that supernatural did not come up with that name they did not create that name
 * That name is considered possibly the name of the angel Cassiel
 * I am obsessed with angels. I know these things I have studied these things for so many damn years I’m 40 years old. I’m not stupid. Devil Gizmo (talk) 00:48, 9 November 2023 (UTC)
 * If you think there's enough material about the scriptural angel Castiel to write an article about it, that would be great, and I would strongly encourage you to do so. But the page about Castiel from Supernatural is exclusively about Castiel from Supernatural, a fictional character . Nowhere does that page say or even imply that it is the first time anyone has ever used the name "Castiel" to refer to an angel. The only reason to include the scriptural angel Castiel on that page would only be appropriate if there was evidence the fictional character about whom the page is written was directly influenced by that scriptural angel. AntiDionysius (talk) 00:54, 9 November 2023 (UTC)
 * And you ignore the fact that I have stated that the way that they chose that name was because the producer did research and found that the angel castiel provided over the day of Thursday which is the day the show aired
 * And that’s why they picked that angel’s name
 * To state that the Angels name is not fictional itself is still keeping it on factors about supernatural, but as well, not making people believe, or think that the angel named castiel was created by the producer in which is a waste, so many people are taking it
 * all I’m asking is that to be corrected and then this whole ordeal is resolved and then sure when I have a little bit more patience to provide information of links and information of evidence and all that kind of stuff I’ll provide for a whole page for the angel castiel, which is not an anarchy angel, but just an angel and also belief to be the anarchy angel cassiel
 * sure I will be gladly to provide you that kind of information but not well. I have too much stuff to do for tonight that’s up I would consider coming back to, but then I would need your guises help on how to create the page on hot keys that I have to type out and hyperlink or whatneeds to be done, including all those hot links and hyperlinks and everything else but I am asking that you correct your guises page and then once I make that other page with you guys, then you guys can even have that being a related source Devil Gizmo (talk) 00:58, 9 November 2023 (UTC)
 * If it is true that the show's writers were directly inspired by this piece of scripture, then that might be worth including. Do you have a source for that? The source you've provided so far just says that there was a book which wrote about an angel named Castiel, it doesn't say that's what inspired the Supernatural writers. AntiDionysius (talk) 01:00, 9 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Also, while we are on the topic about it, you don’t even have the proper pronunciation spelling of the name either
 * ita either CAS-tee-el or can be seen as KAS-tee-el Devil Gizmo (talk) 00:55, 9 November 2023 (UTC)

You may be blocked from editing without further warning the next time you make personal attacks on other people, as you did at User talk:Devil Gizmo. Comment on content, not on fellow editors. AntiDionysius (talk) 00:43, 9 November 2023 (UTC)

Update or I will report
https://www.behindthename.com/name/castiel

You guys even falsely try to claim that they may Castile and supernatural release to the name of the angel cassiel Which in belief is possibly the exact same angel the name Castiel does not appear to the Bible, but it does appear as of the 13th century However, the angel casseil is a very, very known angel

So try and educate yourself before you try to falsely claim false information, giving supernatural producers the creation of an angel that has existed well, and before any of you guys ever existed well and before Wikipedia ever existed and down my way before the fucking existed so try and tell me how supernatural created the angel castiel if its existed provably since 1901

So I don’t have to prove shit it’s everywhere for you to see it to yourself. Try to educate yourself before you provide false information that was provided without any evidence and trying claim to me that this is personal belief seems you’re twisted in who had the personal belief

keep it up and I will report you guys. I will report this website for false claims and fraudulent, and I will find a way to have it found as copyright and fraud, false pretense. Devil Gizmo (talk) 00:35, 9 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Good luck on your endeavors. OhNo itsJamie Talk 00:38, 9 November 2023 (UTC)
 * You ever wonder why everybody says don’t trust Wikipedia, because it’s full of lies and bullshit and false information
 * And this time it’s hitting something personal for me so I will do whatever it takes and if that means I have to go to the Supreme Court and have Wikipedia consider to be brought down for spreading false information and false copyright that so be it because guess what I’m at home all the time I have a cervical spinal injury from a work injury since 2018. Trust me I’ve got the time to deal with us and I personally will. Devil Gizmo (talk) 00:44, 9 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I'm sure the Supreme Court of the United States will indeed be eager to take one of the most popular websites on the internet down over the name of a character on Supernatural.
 * If you have lots of time and would like to contribute to Wikipedia, I would urge you to do so in a productive way and work with other people, rather than hurling insults and legal threats (which are strictly banned here, even when they are evidently baseless). AntiDionysius (talk) 00:46, 9 November 2023 (UTC)
 * If you're interested in learning more about contributing to Wikipedia, you can find out here. AntiDionysius (talk) 00:48, 9 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Baby name sites do not meet WP:RS guidelines. OhNo itsJamie Talk 00:51, 9 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Are you just picking and choosing one word per line to read? Devil Gizmo (talk) 00:51, 9 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Don’t worry, I am screenshot all this conversation which will be getting provided to prove the ignorance and lack of from the people that apparently are operating such a apparently informative website to prove that the people monitoring the updates and feeds are the dumbest of them that do not even take the time to even take consideration in reading what is being stated, or claim, or provided that you were just blasting through it quickly, picking out certain words here or there you can’t even compile a proper response to everything I am saying because you’re not even reading close to even half of what I’m saying because you are just being lazy and you are obviously trying to protect your interest because one of you obviously are the ones that falsely claims that the angel name castiel was created by supernatural Devil Gizmo (talk) 00:53, 9 November 2023 (UTC)
 * It’s called, stirring the pot because if that’s one thing that can be hands-down, proven to the courts then guess what you don’t think it’s gonna make them wonder how many other things are falsified
 * And how many other international Internet laws are broken, and how many fraudulent copyright claims are provided falsely in documentation on the website damn right they would bring you guys down you think you’re really untouchable do you honestly think that because you might want to look at the history of time
 * Website that provides information and facts. You should know information and facts about that kind of situation.
 * You guys keep deleting my update and providing a factual information and you expect me not to be pissed off about it because you guys allow people to add information that is not approvable, and there is actually provably not true
 * But yet you’re expecting me to provide proof of what I’m stating against something that is provably a lie, so how did that provable lie ever even become posted without any evidence to it? Devil Gizmo (talk) 00:51, 9 November 2023 (UTC)
 * perhaps you could read the article. it is NOT an article about a real entity named Castile, or about the name Castile, it is, and it says it is, an article about a character in a TV franchise. Evenm the name of the article : Castile (Supernatural) indicates that it is specifically about the TV character. Moons of Io (talk) 00:52, 9 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Where do you think there's a lie? You keep saying there's a lie involved, but as I've pointed out several times, there is nowhere the article claims to be about anything except a character from TV. Please point to me specifically the sentence you think is a lie. AntiDionysius (talk) 00:56, 9 November 2023 (UTC)
 * The part, everybody highlights to me all the time when they try and tell me that I am lying when I told them that my son is named after an angel, and they then say oh based off of supernatural, and I tell them no, not at all that the angel castiel is a real angel
 * And then they go and send me a screenshot and highlight this part
 * Castiel (/ˌkæstiˈɛl/; nicknamed "Cas") is a fictional character portrayed by
 * and they try to claim to me that is inciting that castiel is nothing more than a fictional character
 * So I wanted to at least include a factor that at least states that the name itself is not fictional that it is a real angel name
 * and because I understand that it’s a Wikipedia for supernatural is why I also included it about the fact that yes, they picked the name because castiel is one of the lead characters, and they wanted that lead angel to be named after a real angel, and the show aired on a Thursday, and when they found out that castiel is an angel that presides over the day of Thursday that’s why they picked the name
 * I am sick and tired of being called a liar because of website is misleading people, because so many people try and live and breathe based off of Wikipedia over any other website even over the Bible and even over legal documentation and everything else they take word for word or they take a phrase and interpret it, so I’m just asking that there’s at least some correction or even further insight to that name was actually pickednot created Devil Gizmo (talk) 01:02, 9 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Okay, but do you understand that when it says "Castiel is a fictional character", it is referring exclusively to the character in supernatural? AntiDionysius (talk) 01:03, 9 November 2023 (UTC)
 * The page John Smith (explorer) begins "John Smith was an English soldier, explorer, colonial governor, admiral of New England, and author." That means that this John Smith about whom the page is written was all of those things, not that everyone named John Smith is all of those things. AntiDionysius (talk) 01:05, 9 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Castiel is a angel in supernatural
 * the page says castiel is a fictional character
 * which causes people to start to try to claim or think that the angel castiel is actually a fictional character from supernatural only
 * So now, if you have a John Smith, that’s a national explorer and all of that other stuff you do have to make a correction of the separation between the two parties, being one fictional and one true fact, if both of them are the same thing from the same place
 * so I can understand what you’re trying to say please at least try and understand where I’m coming from of what I’m trying to say that there is too many people that rely on Google to correct somebody and they will always use Wikipedia first, and if the first thing and only thing from Wikipedia that shows up is this one page that claims that the angel castiel is a fictional character then they’re calling me a liar they’re going to call my son a liar
 * I don’t know how much evidence you want me to provide for you to fix that
 * But I am just asking that you correct it at anyway even as short as you need
 * The fact are this :
 * Castiel is an angel name that supernatural chose to use
 * The producers, while researching angel names, came across this name, and found that the angel presides over Thursday
 * The show aired on a Thursday and that’s why they chose to go with that angel name in honour of when the show originally aired
 * At least, even stating that the character in supernatural is a fictional aspect of the Actual angel or something along them lines
 * Or show reference after saying, it’s a fictional character and state reference to the angel cassiel which is what the angel castiel is, believed to be the other name of the angel cassiel
 * Or, even at least say that the name castiel, as an angel itself, is not fictional Devil Gizmo (talk) 01:11, 9 November 2023 (UTC)
 * For example heres a message sent to me
 * There is not an angel named Castiel,
 * After a google search it showed that Castiel is a fictional character played by the actor Misha Collins in a television show called Supernatural
 * this is how i mean ppl are mis taking the information and claiming it means supernatural created the “ ANGEL - Castiel” not just the one in supernatural. But the NAME of Castiel being a angel . Is falsly thought to be originated from supernatural making the NAME Castiel referenced as a angel . Which is false Devil Gizmo (talk) 01:23, 9 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Because of the show we call our son Cas because it sounds great
 * However, we spell it the original way, not the way that the producers chose for it spelt cass
 * only reason we interpreted that is because it is going to be tough for some young kids to say his full name Castiel
 * but his name was chosen because he is my angel, and there was so many bloody reasons to that as I said, I am obsessed with angels
 * But he saved me in ways you will never understand
 * Let’s just say I was in a very tough spot in my life trying to accept a new injury that changed my life
 * so my son’s name has very powerful meaning behind it and for the fact that people go around and try to call me a liar because of this website that’s why I wanted to correct it and get it fixed because it’s unfair when that’s not the true fact I understand how you may interpret that, but there is so many people interpreting those few lines the wrong way thinking that supernatural created that they came up with that which they did not they chose it from an existing angel name
 * it’s a very powerful and beautiful angel name at that Devil Gizmo (talk) 01:05, 9 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry this confusion over your child's name has occurred. But this really seems like a problem that would need to be solved by independently writing about the scriptural angel in question.
 * We can't say "Castiel is not a fictional character" because the Castiel whom the article is about is a fictional character.
 * We can't say "The writers of supernatural were inspired by an angel from this book" until we have evidence of that. AntiDionysius (talk) 01:08, 9 November 2023 (UTC)
 * The character of castiel is fictional yes
 * The name of castiel, the angel is not fictional
 * However, supernatural version of castiel is fictional
 * because everything stated about how supernatural Castiel’s is not the way the real Castiel is
 * so I am just asking that a correction of some sort is provided to make it clear that it is not the name that is fictional Devil Gizmo (talk) 01:12, 9 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I have added a sentence to the article noting where Kripke says he got the name from. AntiDionysius (talk) 01:19, 9 November 2023 (UTC)
 * It will be difficult, I think, to say much about which specific angel Kripke was referring to. All he appears to have said on the subject is that he got it from a google search, and it's not super clear whether he was referring to Cassiel (which would be odd, given it seems he's more traditionally associated with Saturdays) or something more esoteric.
 * As I said, a separate well-sourced article would be great, and you seem like the ideal person to write it given your professed enthusiasm for and expertise in angel lore. But based on that tweet, we can say that much about the apparent origins of the character's name. AntiDionysius (talk) 01:27, 9 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I dont see where the edit is . Ive even tried comparing old to new Devil Gizmo (talk) 01:28, 9 November 2023 (UTC)
 * You can see the differences here, or just by navigating to the "development" section of the page and reading the first paragraph. AntiDionysius (talk) 01:31, 9 November 2023 (UTC)
 * and u cant put something or a connecting point at the very start that points to it or something ? Maybe like (Fictional character not fictional angel name) or something like that? Which leads someone to wanna learn more about that and how it became choosen for the lead angel even too Devil Gizmo (talk) 01:40, 9 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I have also screen shot that spot to send to ppl to show them the correction that shows that the angel name castiel doesnt start with supernatural . So yes i do appreciate u adding that Devil Gizmo (talk) 01:48, 9 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I have an idea what about if you have it saved made into fictional character ? Because that would be proper term. Devil Gizmo (talk) 01:50, 9 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Castiel (,kæsti'el; nicknamed "Cas")ll is a fictional character portrayed by Misha Collins on
 * change to
 * Castiel (,kæsti'el; nicknamed "Cas")ll is made into a fictional character portrayed by Misha Collins on Devil Gizmo (talk) 01:51, 9 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Also, can you start like a new messaging with me so that when I do have the time and resources to provide all the information to create an actual page for the angel Castiel you can provide me with insight of how I go about creating that, and how to do all those number relating things and everything else or if there’s like certain information, I just have to provide to you for you then to construct and create the page I’ve never done these beforeI’ve made websites before for other stuff not like Wikipedia Devil Gizmo (talk) 01:43, 9 November 2023 (UTC)
 * How much evidence do you need? I’ve already sent you two websites and one of them even states about supernatural, but also states the real true findings to that name. Devil Gizmo (talk) 01:13, 9 November 2023 (UTC)
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 * Pron. KAS-tee-əl(English) [key·IPA]
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 * Possibly a variant of Cassiel. It is the name of an angel in the grimoire the Heptameron, a work that is sometimes (probably incorrectly) attributed to the 13th-century philosopher Pietro d'Abano. It was also the name of a character (an angel) on the American television series Supernatural (2005-2020). The creator Eric Kripke chose it after an internet search revealed that Castiel was an angel associated with Thursdays, the day the show aired [1].
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 * From Hebrew קַפצִיאֵל (Qaftzi'el), of uncertain meaning. Suggested meanings include "leap of God", "drawn together by God" or "wrath of God". This is the name of an angel in medieval Jewish, Christian and Islamic mysticism.
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 * classic  mature   formal   upper class   natural   wholesome   strong   refined   strange   complex   serious   nerdy Devil Gizmo (talk) 01:14, 9 November 2023 (UTC)
 * https://www.theblackfeatherintuitive.com/who-is-archangel-cassiel-the-archangel-of-duality/ Devil Gizmo (talk) 01:15, 9 November 2023 (UTC)

Changes ?
I have a suggestion, then that could also work even better

Castiel (,kæsti'el; nicknamed "Cas")ll is a fictional character portrayed by Misha Collins on

change to

Castiel (,kæsti'el; nicknamed "Cas")ll is made into a fictional character portrayed by Misha Collins on Devil Gizmo (talk) 01:51, 9 November 2023 (UTC)

that would be proper stated as well anyways, to add, the part of is made into a

Versus

is a Devil Gizmo (talk) 01:54, 9 November 2023 (UTC)

To answer your above question, we do sometimes write clarifying statements at the top of articles saying "this article is about the TV character, for the angel in scripture see here" etc. But we can only do that when there's another page to point to, so until there's another "Castiel" article about the angel, the best we can do is point to the generic page Castiel, which lists some things the term might refer to --AntiDionysius (talk) 01:58, 9 November 2023 (UTC)


 * So I can provide the facts and evidence, and everything else to add onto that page for Castiel
 * because I am honestly willing to help provide for that the research and proof and fax and photos and everything else
 * it will just take me some time to put it all together and provide Devil Gizmo (talk) 02:00, 9 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Sure, anyone can (and are encouraged to) create an article. There are various requirements for sourcing etc to ensure the page stays part of Wikipedia, but there are extensive guides on how to approach that. And if there was an article about an angel named Castiel, it would of course have to be listed on the page Castiel. AntiDionysius (talk) 02:03, 9 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Yes, that does help too. I have verified my email. I just noticed the email for that I noticed who my mentor is. I will contact them once I have information to help build onto that page.
 * Or for another page to be made to be added into that, for the fact, finding about the angel castiel
 * Have a great night. Thank you for the edits. Devil Gizmo (talk) 02:03, 9 November 2023 (UTC)
 * No problem. I'm glad we were able to resolve this. AntiDionysius (talk) 02:03, 9 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Me too. Sorry for getting a little vicious but I hope you can kind of understand with it being in reference to my son and how my son was named after the actual angel.
 * Not exactly something I like being called a liar, so kind of hit a very soft spot for me. My son is my entire world. I am his entire world.
 * Please give my apologies to the other moderator as well Devil Gizmo (talk) 02:05, 9 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Please give my apologies to the other moderator as well Devil Gizmo (talk) 02:05, 9 November 2023 (UTC)