User talk:Devokewater/Archive 1

Ways to improve Gare de Marseille-Blancarde
Thanks for creating Gare de Marseille-Blancarde.

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"consider providing reliable sources to strengthen the page's verifiability."

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 * Thank you Devokewater (talk) 08:00, 12 November 2018 (UTC)

Norman Nicholson Society moved to draftspace
An article you recently created, Norman Nicholson Society, does not have enough sources and citations as written to remain published. It needs more citations from reliable, independent sources. (?) Information that can't be referenced should be removed (verifiability is of central importance on Wikipedia). I've moved your draft to draftspace (with a prefix of " " before the article title) where you can incubate the article with minimal disruption. When you feel the article meets Wikipedia's general notability guideline and thus is ready for mainspace, please click on the "Submit your draft for review!" button at the top of the page. Hitro talk 17:37, 15 December 2018 (UTC)

Your draft article, Draft:Norman Nicholson Society


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Thanks for your submission to Wikipedia, and happy editing. CptViraj (📧) 18:39, 15 June 2019 (UTC)

it's vs. its Comment
Hi, and thanks for your contributions to Wikipedia! I wanted to draw your attention to this edit correcting your error. There are others on parish articles. Please understand that "it's" is a contraction of "it is". Whenever it's is used, substitution of "it is" should make sense. The word "its" is a possessive denoting ownership as in "its head" or "its thoughts".

Actually, it's should almost never be used as stated in the manual of style: "Missing letters are replaced by an apostrophe in multiple-word contractions. Contractions should not be used in Wikipedia." Thus, occurrences of "it's" should be replaced by "it is". Just a heads up! --LilHelpa (talk) 18:51, 26 August 2019 (UTC)

September 2019
Please do not remove maintenance templates from pages on Wikipedia, as you did to Flookburgh, without resolving the problem that the template refers to, or giving a valid reason for the removal in the edit summary. Your removal of this template does not appear constructive, and has been reverted. Thank you. Dl2000 (talk) 20:50, 18 September 2019 (UTC)

Hey
Hey Devoke, how is things on your side of Wikipedia. I am just telling you that you might have to watch this YouTube video as that is the reason why the vandalism started. Video HawkAussie (talk) 08:34, 6 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Very entertaining Devokewater (talk) 11:08, 6 November 2019 (UTC)
 * At least you wouldn't get bored. But I will say, I'm sorry as a fellow fan of that channel that the vandals have come and basically made the page self-protected. HawkAussie (talk) 22:04, 6 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Yes they have been very active Devokewater (talk) 22:05, 6 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Hopefully with the semi-protection of the article, that should at least deter people away from editing the article. I hope. HawkAussie (talk) 22:52, 6 November 2019 (UTC)

Mark Jenkinson moved to draftspace
An article you recently created, Mark Jenkinson, does not have enough sources and citations as written to remain published. It needs more citations from reliable, independent sources. (?) Information that can't be referenced should be removed (verifiability is of central importance on Wikipedia). I've moved your draft to draftspace (with a prefix of " " before the article title) where you can incubate the article with minimal disruption. When you feel the article meets Wikipedia's general notability guideline and thus is ready for mainspace, please follow the prompts on the Articles for Creation template atop the page. ... disco spinster   talk  20:34, 15 November 2019 (UTC)


 * discospinster delete this draft Mark Jenkinson is up and running. Devokewater (talk) 19:15, 4 January 2020 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Mark Jenkinson


The article Mark Jenkinson has been proposed for deletion because it appears to have no references. Under Wikipedia policy, this biography of a living person will be deleted after seven days unless it has at least one reference to a reliable source that directly supports material in the article.

If you created the article, please don't be offended. Instead, consider improving the article. For help on inserting references, see Referencing for beginners, or ask at the help desk. Once you have provided at least one reliable source, you may remove the prod blp/dated tag. Please do not remove the tag unless the article is sourced. If you cannot provide such a source within seven days, the article may be deleted, but you can when you are ready to add one. Cahk (talk) 18:32, 15 November 2019 (UTC)


 * Cahk why do you want to delete Mark Jenkinson ? he is a notable person being an MP your proposed deletion seem a bit odd.  Devokewater (talk) 19:18, 4 January 2020 (UTC)

Skegness
Hi, I have just reverted your edits to Skegness which converted the "Notable people" section from prose into a list. WikiProject UK geography/How to write about settlements states that "Prose is preferred ... More developed articles, especially those which have gone through WP:GA and WP:FA, tend to have this section written out as prose." I am in the middle of overhauling other parts of the page at the minute. —Noswall59 (talk) 13:23, 3 July 2020 (UTC).

I disagree with this Noswall59, the notable people section looks truly awful, plus it includes many non notables. There should be a seperate wikipage: list of people from Skegness. However you appear to be doing a good job with Skegness I will leave you to it. --Devokewater (talk) 13:28, 3 July 2020 (UTC)
 * I do intend to come back and do a copyedit of the whole article once I've finished improving the various sections; the whole thing is too long. However, that's easiest to do once the content is all there in the first place; I'll look to trim back the notable people section if I can justify removing material. I'm not sure it looks awful though: it is prosified and split into paragraphs according to sector. —Noswall59 (talk) 14:08, 3 July 2020 (UTC).
 * I'll leave it to you,Noswall59 however we should consider splitting it off to its own section (once you've finished your edits), similar to Middlesbrough regards --Devokewater (talk) 14:10, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

Welcome!
Hi Devokewater! I noticed your contributions and wanted to welcome you to the Wikipedia community. I hope you like it here and decide to stay.

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Happy editing! David Biddulph (talk) 11:34, 8 July 2020 (UTC)


 * Thanks David Biddulph I never intended getting so involved, minor edits were meant to be my forte. Regards --Devokewater (talk) 11:36, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

July 2020: The "Show preview" button is your friend
− 		 − 	Why make 17 consecutive edits to the same article when fewer would achieve the same result ? − 	 Thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia. In the future, please use the preview button before you save your edit; this helps you find any errors you have made and prevents clogging up recent changes and the page history, as well as helping prevent edit conflicts. Below the edit box is a Show preview button. Pressing this will show you what the article will look like without actually saving it. − 	− 		 − 	It is strongly recommended that you use this before saving. If you have any questions, contact the help desk for assistance. − 	Thank you. --Quisqualis (talk) 23:30, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

Tochnog professional reverts
Hi Devokewater, I saw the page history at Tochnog professional and wanted to drop you a message about that. By my count, you have broken the three-revert rule there today, which is a bright-line "don't do that" rule. I certainly understand your motivation, but removing advertising is not one of the exceptions to the three-revert rule. Strictly speaking, violating 3RR should result in you getting blocked for a day or two, but I'm exercising my discretion as an admin and giving you a warning instead - please make yourself aware of the three-revert rule and do not break it again. In the future, if you have problems with a conflict-of-interest editor puffing up a page they wrote, I encourage you to post a message to the conflict-of-interest noticeboard to get outside opinions on the matter (and if other editors agree that whatever is being added shouldn't be added, then there are other people reverting other than you). Please feel free to post on my talk page or ping me here if you have any questions. GeneralNotability (talk) 01:41, 13 July 2020 (UTC)

Mark Jenkinson
Hi, the 'About Mark Jenkinson' page on his website (which I used as a source for the 'Early life and career' section) states that he was 'Born and raised in the town centre and Northside areas of Workington'. MotorsportFan2012 (talk) 22:05, 21 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi MotorsportFan2012, I read this article too, it never mentions where he was born, however very few people are born in Workington, there're all born in Whitehaven. Regards --Devokewater @  09:52, 22 July 2020 (UTC)

Stan VanderWerf - Wikipedia Page
Hi! I'm working on the Stan VanderWerf page and wanted to make sure it meets the requirements for Wikipedia. I'm relatively new in contributing to Wikipedia and my interest is in learning how to create good living biography pages. I have worked on medical related pages before this. I hope to create more biographies that can help people find factual information about significant people who are contributing to the community at large. I would greatly appreciate any tips you can give!

I noticed that some of the verbiage used is considered promotional, which I'm adjusting now. I've been reading the guidelines closely and I'm working to make sure that I meet those guidelines in the articles I create.

Currently, I'm working on citations for this page and noticed that there were some problems with local citations. It seems that I need to find more prominent, recognized articles which I'm looking for. I'm also working on links to authoritative websites referencing positions Mr. VanderWerf held and accomplishments.

Mr. VanderWerf is a highly decorated veteran. I'm working now to place his military decorations into the article as factual support.

I would appreciate any tips you can give me to better this article. I'm using other living biographies like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Cotton as guides to creating a good biography page.

Is there anything specifically I can be working on to help this page? Your expert opinion is very helpful!

Thank you, for your insight! It's very much appreciated!

PeytonRose (talk) 18:05, 22 July 2020 (UTC)


 * Hi PeytonRose at the moment it appears to be PR, plus there is a SPA involved with the editing, this raises red flags. If you ask on the Teahouse you'll find vastly more experienced editors who will assist (companies + places are my forte). I will change my opinion based on your effort. Devokewater @  18:56, 22 July 2020 (UTC)


 * Hi Devokewater Yes! I see! Thank you, very much for your help! I noticed the SPA. Looks like a new user who is trying to help out, maybe? I will visit the Teahouse now to get more input on how to make this article as proficient as possible! Thank you, again for your valuable insight! This is very helpful!

PeytonRose (talk) 19:11, 22 July 2020 (UTC)

KSE - Kirkby Stephen East?
Why did you revert my edit to one with KSE. You put abbreviation but no other railway article has anything like that in them. So what makes Kirkby Stephen East special? KSE is more initials which have no place on the article. If I started adding MANVIC - Manchester Victoria, SHEFVIC - Sheffield Victoria, BAT - Batley, BRUMNST - Birmingham New Street or COV - Coventry. They'd be reverted. So please explain to me why Kirkby Stephen East has [KSE] but no other article does anything similar? Its slang imo RailwayJG (talk) 18:46, 29 July 2020 (UTC)

RailwayJG every UK railway has a three letter abbreviation, yes you are correct that they are not included on wikipedia, so it's debatable wether to include it here. Regards --Devoke<b style="color:#fb0">water</b> @ 19:32, 29 July 2020 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/BlueFocus Communication Group
Given that the nominator at Articles for deletion/BlueFocus Communication Group has withdrawn their nomination, perhaps you would reconsider your !vote in the light of the arguments that have been put forward. Thanks, --Malcolmxl5 (talk) 15:00, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi Malcolmxl5 (talk) I've done a strike through, hence removing my vote. Regards --<b style="color:#77b">Devoke</b><b style="color:#fb0">water</b> @  15:09, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you. --Malcolmxl5 (talk) 15:18, 19 August 2020 (UTC)

Speedy deletion declined: File:EllenvaleLogo.jpg
Hello Devokewater. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of File:EllenvaleLogo.jpg, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: Only non-free files are eligible for speedy deletion due to being unused. Thank you. Jackmcbarn (talk) 17:07, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

Hello and thank you
Hi Devokewater :) Thanks so much for the lovely welcome. I'm really excited about getting more involved on the website. I'll be sure to look more into the suggestions you made. Hope you're having a great weekend! --Bob Dinheiro (talk) 21:47, 3 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you Bob Dinheiro (talk) -- Devoke water   (talk)  10:26, 4 October 2020 (UTC)

How to prepose a modification to a project purpose?
Hello, I was wondering exactly how I could go about doing this? Naboo64 (talk) 12:38, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks Naboo64 (talk), not too sure what you're asking? Regards -- Devoke water   (talk)  10:28, 4 October 2020 (UTC)

Under the list of projects under religion, one was titled ‘Seventh Day Adventism’ but the better title would be ‘Sabbatarianism’ because that would include more churches with similar beliefs to, but different origins from, Seventh Day Adventism. Naboo64 (talk) 12:06, 4 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi Naboo64 (talk) I would enquire on the talk page or ask in the teahouse -- Devoke water  (talk)  20:17, 8 October 2020 (UTC)

ProveIt edits
Hello, is there anyway to prevent the reordering of the parameters in references using this tool as the edits you make cause problems with the diffs and make it difficult to see what the actual edit is. Ideally the tool should only touch references that it makes an actual change in the detail while leaving parameters in the original order so that uses viewing the differences can see what is being changed. Thanks. Keith D (talk) 19:28, 8 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi Keith D (talk) the programme will need to be tweaked, I'll stop using ProveIt until it's fixed. -- Devoke water  (talk)  20:16, 8 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks - makes it easier for edit checking. Keith D (talk) 20:18, 8 October 2020 (UTC)

Qualcomm
Hi Devokewater. Thanks for your edits. I did want to draw your attention to MOS:LEAD which offers a guideline for the introductory section of a page. Because an ideal introductory section summarizes the entire page, it is to be expected that the introduction may repeat content in the body of the page that it is summarizing. "The lead section should briefly summarize the most important points covered in an article in such a way that it can stand on its own as a concise version of the article." I will not restore the longer Lead on account of my conflict of interest (see my user page) but thought I would bring it to your attention. CorporateM (Talk) 15:51, 15 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks CorporateM (Talk) I removed some technical jagon that was difficult to understand from the introductory section. It's a USA based company not Chinese, hence I also reverted the Chinese HQ edits. Regards -- Devoke water   (talk)  13:35, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

Barrow-in-Furness
Not sure if you are aware but Port of Barrow is the port article for the town and has the category:Ports and harbours of Cumbria. Generally the articles about the locality don't hold the Ports and harbours in ... categories. Instead they use category:Port cities and towns of .... categories. In the UK that seems to be based on 'regions' whereas the other cat is delineated by county. The Barrow-in-Furness article really shouldn't have any Ports and Harbours cats when there is a separate article for the port in the town. Fob.schools (talk) 15:26, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks Fob.schools (talk) I'll revert my edit. Regards -- Devoke water  (talk)  15:28, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

Bruno Turner already has a long bio article in the standard reference work on classical music
The first paragraph can be viewed free at https://www.oxfordmusiconline.com/grovemusic/view/10.1093/gmo/9781561592630.001.0001/omo-9781561592630-e-0000043616?rskey=GoCFIt Therefore the delete rationale is invalid. 08:13, 25 October 2020 (UTC)

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Arguments at AfD
Hi. I regularly close debates at Articles for deletion and I'm concerned by some of your arguments. For example, I relisted Articles for deletion/Daniel Larimer because "non notable, PR" doesn't tell me anything other than a vague opinion, a similar thing happened at Articles for deletion/Khosla Ventures where you just said "not notable", and Articles for deletion/XCore Architecture went with other arguments instead of "per non, technical manual" (we have articles on notable technical manuals including Inside Macintosh, The C Programming Language and Programming Perl). Because of this, I've had to discard and ignore your comments for the purposes of consensus. The best thing to do is either explain search for sources you have attempted, or explain why sources in the article are unsuitable, or otherwise give a reason why improving the article cannot happen or it is otherwise unsuitable for a general purpose encyclopedia. <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  22:24, 1 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk)  <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  point noted, I will add more explanation in future. Regards  -- Devoke water   (talk)  22:30, 1 November 2020 (UTC)

TRON
Why are you saying that my information is not verified? Didn't I throw links for you? I'm talking about Samsung and HuaweiJtpoekm8ojillle6hblljjvlup (talk) 18:48, 13 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Jtpoekm8ojillle6hblljjvlup (talk) see your own talk page. Regards -- Devoke water   (talk)  19:35, 13 December 2020 (UTC)

Ulverston
Hi Devokewater, good work on Ulverston. I'm just wondering about the 'civil parish' stuff. The excellent book reference (I've not seen that before) suggests the town and the parish are separate entities, and I guess that would make sense. Perhaps this point, if you agree with it, could be worked into the article? At the moment, the reader would take the parish to be the same as the town. What do you think? Cheers, Arcturus (talk) 20:02, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks Arcturus (talk) yes thats a good idea or another option is to add a Governance section that mentions the town council etc. -- Devoke water  (talk)  20:06, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes, a Governance section would be good, as per many other geographic articles. It could include the Town Council, the parish, SLDC and whatever else. Will you do this as part of your current work on the article, or I can help out if you want. Arcturus (talk) 20:11, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi Arcturus (talk) please feel fee + go ahead -- Devoke water  (talk)  20:15, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
 * I put some stuff on the article talk page. Arcturus (talk) 20:32, 7 January 2021 (UTC)

Ross Kolby article.
User:Devokewater Hi! Thank you for your message to me here the other day :)

I wonder if you might help me with a question. I recently decided to do some work on the Ross Kolby article. This is an artist I like and I have read one of his books. So I inserted some information about one of the novels, added two new headings about his paintings, inserted a reference (to an article about this painting at the Norwegian National Broadcaster NRK). I really got inspired and spent almost three hours working.

A few minutes after I had published the last of my 27 various edits I got a message from a user called Materialscientist notifying me that he had reversed my edits. Just like that he undid all my work and 27 edits. He told me I had inserted a reference that was not reliable, and told me I could write to him if I had questions. I have now written to him twice and asked what reference he is talking about, and if he really could not accept any of all my edits. I said I appreciated his watching the article, but that I found it a bit discouraging to see all my work removed minutes after I had finished. I really tried to improve the article.

So my question is: who is to decide what edits that will stay or not? Who has the final word of how many headings or what photos to insert in an article? I thought Wikipedia was about sharing knowledge within the rules of Wikipedia. A reference must be right, of course. But I cannot spend three hours on an article just to see all my work removed by another user without explanation. Materialscientist has not answered my two messages, so I now wonder if he will immediately remove any new edit I suggest on Ross Kolby? Or another article he monitors?

Could you advice me on how to handle this? I only wish to be professional and polite, but I am left a little irritated by this undoing of my edits that were bringing clarity to the text as well as citing a National Broadcaster. Best regards, EditNor (talk) 22:37, 13 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Hi EditNor (talk) Thanks for your message, I find that the information in the welcoming message is of great use to all new editors.


 * With regards to my editing, I do mainly minor edits on companies + places (i.e. tidying up) there are many editors on Wikipedia who are vastly more experienced + capable then I am, the best place to find these editors is in the Teahouse.  Materialscientist (talk) is an administrator (they have a lot of power on Wikipedia, but they must be fair) who spends a lot of time reverting vandalism, if you disagree with his/her, highlight why you disagree with him/her on his/her talk page or on the articles talk page. However you must remember that all Wikipedia articles must be reliable, verifiable, independent. Regards -- Devoke water   (talk)  10:24, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for the welcome
Hey mate, what a lovely surprise! Thanks for such a nice message. I've been editing anonymously for yeaaaaaaars, but figured it was finally time to sign up and do it properly. Thanks again. DorkyP (talk) 22:34, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your message, DorkyP (talk), I find that this message is very useful for all new editors. -- Devoke water  (talk)  22:37, 18 January 2021 (UTC)

Some stroopwafels for you!

 * Thank you Greenpainter147 (talk)

Thanks for the welcome
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SPI Archives
Hi. I've undone your edit to Sockpuppet investigations/Japeters1/Archive. We appreciate you taking an interest in SPI, but the archives are intended to only be edited by members of the SPI team. Thanks. -- RoySmith (talk) 17:03, 6 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi RoySmith (talk) not a problem. I encountered one of these bizarre edits on Occidental Petroleum which I moved, next time I'll delete them. Regards -- Devoke water   (talk)  17:17, 6 February 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for Welcome
Hello Devokewater, Thanks very much for the welcome. I can see that the mentorship from someone would be a good idea in time, so I'll bear that in mind. I'd like to get the hang of some more very basic edits first and will concentrate on the one 'Brigham' page to do that. The citing was my first mistake but the help section was very good and I've corrected (if not quite perfected) it since. Best wishes, Griffomole (talk) 13:15, 9 February 2021 (UTC)


 * Hi Griffomole (talk) I find that this message is very useful for all new editors. Regards -- Devoke water  (talk)  16:56, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

Financial markets content project
Hello,

My name is Tijana and I am a team leader of Wikinvesting.com project. Along with five of my colleagues and friends who are investment and trading enthusiasts, I have started the Wikinvesting which is based on MediaWiki platform.

Wikinvesting is a non-profit, game-changing movement which aims to round up all those individuals who believe that unbiased financial market information and knowledge should be extensively available to everyone. And this is also how I got to you :) Namely, I was searching for information I needed on financial markets and I have noticed that there isn’t a lot of "useful" information available on Wikipedia (to my surprise). In addition to that, the information available through sites such as Investopedia or Investing is tightly controlled by the business owners and hence easily manipulated. Simply, traders like me could not trust such sources in planning the investment and trading strategy...

So, what we want to create is a base where active or aspiring traders, content writers, investors, and generally financial enthusiasts will share their knowledge and experience, discuss investment opportunities, analyze news etc., all for the purpose of wikinvesting becoming the biggest financial knowledge “open source” base. I am not sure if you are familiar with the recent case of GameStop where gaming enthusiasts gather around the GameStop via reddit forum and prevented the hedge funds from sinking it down. They were basically our inspiration to starting this project.

I would love to share more information about this project with you and also discuss future potential opportunities, hence if you are interested, please let me know so we can continue this on our slack channel.

Cheers,

TijanaRistic (talk) 13:37, 17 February 2021 (UTC)

FYI
Hello. Just a friendly FYI, the "artists" sort is only for visual artists. Thanks. Possibly (talk) 01:07, 23 February 2021 (UTC)

Cambridge University Study
Hello Devokewater,

as part of a field experiment for a Cambridge University study, we undertook several edits on various Wikipedia pages over the past months.

You were one of the users reacting to an edit we made, precisely: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Gazprom&diff=997496698&oldid=997490747

It would be extremely helpful for our study if you could explain why you decided to challenge this edit. Feel free to comment on this talk page or write us an email at WikipediaStudy@web.de.

We are also more than happy to have a short interview of around 15 minutes, in which we would further talk about your general experiences and motivations as a Wikipedia editor. The interviews have received approval from the Ethics Committee of the University of Cambridge and it will be ensured that you can stay completely anonymous.

We are looking forward to hearing from you soon and are glad to provide more information about the study if you send us an email!

Best wishes,

Vincent 2.247.245.243 (talk) 11:56, 17 March 2021 (UTC)


 * Apart from the edit being borderline of WP:SYNTHESIS, during the period of the edit there were numerous SPA’s editors (some were subsequently banned) with a climate change agenda, vigorously editing “spamming” the wikipages of energy companies. IMHO the edit did not belong in the lead section, it was not neutral + it’s sources weren’t reliable, independent. -- Devoke water  10:48, 18 March 2021 (UTC)

Your signature
Hi, I'm advising you that the first part of your signature "Devoke" is targeted to Devokewater and not User:Devokewater; as a result its coming up as a red link. Many thanks <b style="color: black">Night</b><b style="color: black">fury</b> 09:42, 31 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi <b style="color: black">Night</b><b style="color: black">fury</b> thanks for highlighting this, it's been ameded. Regards -- Devoke water  14:16, 31 March 2021 (UTC)

Your opinion
Hi. I just wanted to invite you to the discussion Articles for deletion/Princess Leonore, Duchess of Gotland (2nd nomination). Since you had previously participated in similar discussions, I thought you might be able to provide us with some insights regarding this article. Thank you. Keivan.f Talk 16:13, 2 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks Keivan.f  Talk I will have a look in this. Regards -- Devoke  water  12:15, 4 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your response. If you prefer to stay away from the discussion it's totally fine, because it's already a mess with a range of complaints, arguments and accusations. Anyway, thanks for responding. I appreciate it. Keivan.f  Talk 18:41, 4 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Keivan.f Talk its quite a difficult one to form an opinion on, most Royals are only notable because they are Royal. -- Devoke  water  18:44, 4 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Well, that's true to some extent. Unless they are minor or no in-depth independent coverage about them exists in sources. That's why the articles about this princess's brother and sister as well as her cousins were previously deleted, because based on our criteria they are not notable enough to have standalone articles. In my honest opinion, Leonore should not be an exception. We'll see what the outcome is in a few days I guess. Keivan.f  Talk 18:52, 4 April 2021 (UTC)

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April 2021:Greensill Capital
Wondering whether you noticed the result of this edit of yours.--Quisqualis (talk) 01:01, 7 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Quisqualis (talk) Oops apologies -- Devoke water  08:42, 7 April 2021 (UTC)

May 2021 : A Warm Welcome to Wikipedia
Hello Devokewater! Hope you are well. Thanks for the warm welcome and information posted on my talk page. Being new, I definitely have many questions. One of which is: "Am I using this talk page correctly?" As per instruction? Is this the proper way to engage one another and other Wikipedians in the Wikiverse? I'm hoping so. Thanks! Taostlt (talk) 02:41, 19 May 2021 (UTC)

On women and Freemasonry
I noticed you are part of the Freemasonry wiki project and I presume you are male? and probably know better than I do about Freemasonry, I’ve been fascinated about them all my life and eagerly want to know what they do behind closed doors but I live in Nigeria and that’s probably next to impossible for a woman (you can’t identify as Agender In Nigeria) however I have a couple of questions, have you come across the female occultist by the name of Helena Blavatsky ? if yes, was she a Freemason? If yes, how? what did she do exceptionally? and can it be replicated (perhaps I can follow in her footsteps, don’t laugh) but seriously I thought women weren’t allowed into Freemasonry, I’m aware of both ”The order of the Eastern Star” and ”The order of Women Freemasons” (which Imo i believe are mere consolation “prices”) but this source   (It doesn’t appear to be all that reliable though) expressly  mentions her as a “real Freemason”, that is, she was part of an actual conventional “men only” blue lodge. Furthermore, it appears under the English rites the third degree (Master Mason) is the highest degree attainable but the Scottish rites have up to the 33rd degree(Sovereign grand commander) of which they claim to be highest attainable degree (which is largely accepted as the truth, (Dan Brown and Albert Pike confirm this) The Egyptian rites which I believe was called “spurious” by Albert Pike had 99 degrees(Grand Hierophant) If I’m researching properly about Freemasonry I presume it was dissolved because people paid to obtain higher degrees, I’m not so sure, although Bill Schnoebelen says he was a 90th degree Mason, the veracity of his claims are often over looked or laughed at, I mean, he claimed to be an “ex vampire” thus no one takes him seriously, he further mentioned that in actuality there were actually 360 degrees. Forgive the digression, the real question here is, is it possible for women to join the real blue Freemasons lodge? or was Helena Blavatsky just an anomaly? Just like when Freemasons conferred the 33rd degree on Manly P. Hall Celestina007 (talk) 02:06, 26 July 2021 (UTC)


 * Hi Celestina007 (talk) I have never come across Helena Blavatsky however there are women if Freemasonry, they are not part of UGLE however there have been recent photos of David Staples with women Freemasons, you may find this useful: The Order of Women Freemasons and HFAF – Freemasonry for Women. Regarding Bill Schnoebelen there appears to be no evidence that he was part of mainstream Freemasonry, there are a few Youtube that debunk all of his claims. Within UGLE the highest rank is third degree, however if you join the Scottish Rite known colloquially as the "Rose Croix" it's possible to become a 33 degree mason, the  "Rose Croix" is not recognised by the UGLE however their no no bar preventing a member from joining, see the book called "What's next?" by Ron Selby.  --<b style="color:#7F007F">Devokewater</b> <sup style="color:#800080">(talk)  21:55, 1 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Oh my! I’m just glad you are okay and in good health I was beginning to seriously worry. Thank you for the information but tbh i think I’m just glad all is well with you. Celestina007 (talk) 17:16, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

Your removal of my anecdote on the talk page of Garsdale railway station
Hello,

I'm curious to know how you became aware of the anecdote that I added to the Talk page on Garsdale railway station on November 9. About 90 minutes after I did so, you removed it. Is there some automatic process that alerts people to articles they're interested in? Also, what about documentation of an anecdote? It was over fifty years ago that I heard it while on holiday nearby, and I wonder if there's somewhere else in Wikipedia where such anecdotal material can be stored. As things are, there's only my word for it, and my recollection of what I heard is not necessarily verbatim (suspect in my mind are the words 'built it', which might have been 'wanted it' or something else). Is it preferable that this anecdote be gone from the collective memory? I'm sure there are plenty of anecdotes that would indeed be better gone. You'll note that I didn't go ahead and put the anecdote in the actual article. Any information on the processing of anecdotes in Wikipedia will be an education for me, for which I'll be grateful.2603:6010:4E42:500:2C68:CB6A:1938:CBA1 (talk) 15:12, 18 November 2021 (UTC)

Request for assistance
Hello! I wrote earlier about your removal of an anecdote from the talk page for Garsdale railway station, but saw no response, and would be grateful to hear from you, either on your own talk page or on that of the station.2603:6010:4E42:500:2012:99BE:1116:487 (talk) 20:17, 28 November 2021 (UTC)


 * This is a difficult one, whilst I found your article very interesting the talk page is not the place for such articles. The talk page is used for discussing changes etc on the main article. You could try adding to the main article however because there is no reliable source you’d find that it would be soon deleted. <b style="color:#7F007F">Devokewater</b> <sup style="color:#800080">(talk) 20:31, 28 November 2021 (UTC)


 * Thanks. Agreed that without a reliable source, the anecdote would be short-lived on the article page. On the talk page, though, perhaps in years to come, maybe many, someone would know of such a source. I've recently been in communication by email with people who knew the late David Bracken, who is something of a local hero in Garsdale.  Hence my current interest, which dates from events from fifty years ago. I made a compilation Word document with those emails.  I might ask one of the three or four people who responded, though I suspect they too would know the anecdote but not a published source.


 * Of more general question: I also asked if you can help with what to do about such undocumented anecdotes. Is there a Wikipedia page that instructs in such matters?2603:6010:4E42:500:2012:99BE:1116:487 (talk) 22:40, 28 November 2021 (UTC)
 * You should ask on the teahouse, where more knowledgable editors then myself can assist. <b style="color:#7F007F">Devokewater</b> <sup style="color:#800080">(talk) 11:57, 29 November 2021 (UTC)


 * Thank you. I was aware of the teahouse but did not know whether my question would belong there.


 * It is interesting that you use the moniker Devokewater. Over fifty years ago some friends hiked all over the Lake District, staying in youth hostels.  I saw the tarn on the OS map and attempted to walk across to it, only to find myself sinking to my thighs in boggy ground. Perhaps you live in the River Duddon valley or Eskdale, which we were going between.  I'm curious to know, though I'll understand if you're not comfortable with personal information.


 * Thanks again – and p.s. thanks also for your correction: Neil Armstrong was not from Langholm, he was from Wakekoneta, Ohio. That's only eighty miles from the Ohio town where my wife and I live, close to her family.2603:6010:4E42:500:30CF:D92B:C7CE:93E2 (talk) 23:17, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

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 * Hi, Sawol (talk) which code do you want me to use when archiving? -- Devoke  water  08:56, 18 August 2023 (UTC)

I like the format User:ClueBot III: You'd better not fix the others' style/layout errors in the talk page with ClueBot III. Sawol (talk) 09:33, 18 August 2023 (UTC)


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