User talk:DexDor/Archive 2015

Category:Wikipedians who contribute to OpenStreetMap
Hi. I didn't know that cross-namespace categorization is wrong. Is there the rule for it? --Rezonansowy (talk | contribs) 19:33, 1 January 2015 (UTC)


 * Hi Rezonansowy. "User pages ... do not belong in content categories..." (WP:USERNOCAT) is a relevant guideline.
 * Generally in wp (categorization) we try to keep a clear separation between enyclopedia content (e.g. articles) and encyclopedia administration (talk pages, user pages, wikiprojects etc). E.g. WikiProject OpenStreetMap is not in Category:OpenStreetMap. Category:OpenStreetMap (which is below Category:Articles) is for articles (i.e. encyclopedia content) about the topic of OSM.
 * I've created Category:WikiProject OpenStreetMap and put a few pages in it. I've linked to there from Category talk:OpenStreetMap. The Wikipedians category might also be placed in it. Hope this helps, DexDor (talk) 20:49, 1 January 2015 (UTC)

Happy New Year!
 Dear, HAPPY NEW YEAR Hoping 2015 will be a great year for you! Thank you for your contributions! From a fellow editor, FWiW  Bzuk (talk) 21:30, 1 January 2015 (UTC)

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List of World War II firearms
I see that you reverted my edit to the See also section of the List of World War II firearms article. If the links are intended to point to disambiguation pages (which Type 3 and Type 92 are), then the links are supposed to be piped through the (disambiguation) redirect per WP:INTDABLINK. -Niceguyedc Go Huskies! 09:40, 11 January 2015 (UTC)


 * Hi Niceguyedc. It is very unlikely that those links are intended to point to dab pages - it's more likely that the links were intended to point to articles about firearms introduced shortly after WWI. I.e. WP:INTDABLINK isn't applicable here. It would be better to tag the links as dab-needed or remove the links from the see-also list. DexDor (talk) 09:52, 11 January 2015 (UTC)


 * Very well. I'll remove them from the list. -Niceguyedc Go Huskies! 09:54, 11 January 2015 (UTC)

Speedy deletion declined: Category:Wikipedia articles incorporating text from kam.lt
Hello DexDor. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of Category:Wikipedia articles incorporating text from kam.lt, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: The template still transcludes pages here, so while ever it exists the category should. Thank you. Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 07:40, 16 January 2015 (UTC)

Category:Articles containing video clips
Dexdor, as you requested at the deletion discussion, I puller Category:Articles containing video clips out of Category:Video. Your comment was absolutely right, these pages do no belong in the Video category, which should be for articles about videos. This should help with the problems you're having. Oiyarbepsy (talk) 15:31, 16 January 2015 (UTC)

CfD of Category:UsesSecondParam
DexDor, I have speedy deleted this page. As I said on the top of the category page, I created this page for a test and intended to delete it afterwards. So it would have been better for you to contact me directly about it before proposing it for deletion. RockMagnetist(talk) 00:00, 19 January 2015 (UTC)


 * Thanks, In this case it would have been simpler to contact you directly, but in most cases where I find an odd category that I think should be deleted either (1) the cat creator has left wp so CFD/CSD is needed, (2) the cat creator argues that the category should be kept so CFD/CSD is needed, or (3) the cat creator agrees with deletion but the category still needs to be emptied (which is normally done using an admin-only bot) and deleted by an admin. DexDor (talk) 19:25, 19 January 2015 (UTC)

Something strange happened on page :Category:Scandinavian Mountains
See Category:Scandinavian Mountains: "". Marcocapelle (talk) 21:05, 5 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Initally I thought it was something specifically related to closing the CfD, but it appears that all category pages now have "" on the page. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:12, 5 February 2015 (UTC)
 * @Marcocapelle - Village_pump_(technical). DexDor (talk) 21:17, 5 February 2015 (UTC)

Briefly describe
hi DexDor

Please explain your reverting as a brief explanation of an edit to a Wikipedia page.

I’m not shy to asking Briefly describe in changes and keep your advice with you about my native language, and remember that: Wikipedia is a free-access, free content Internet encyclopaedia, supported and hosted by the non-profit Wikimedia Foundation.

please read this article Help:Edit summary

--محمد بوعلام عصامي «Md.Boualam» (talk) 23:03, 11 February 2015 (UTC)


 * Replied on your talk page. DexDor (talk) 23:05, 11 February 2015 (UTC)

Template categories
I wish I could help but I'm not familiar with how those categories work. As far as I'm aware they are auto-generated for some reason by the templates. Might want to bring this up on the template talk page for the automatic taxobox. Dinoguy2 (talk) 18:30, 28 February 2015 (UTC)


 * Thanks Dinoguy2. I tried looking at Template:Automatic taxobox etc, but soon got lost (I'm not a template expert), so I'll leave it. DexDor (talk) 12:24, 1 March 2015 (UTC)

Legality of US military attacks on US citizens
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 * I extracted the text from an existing Wikipedia article (see the edit summary). However, it does look like it's been copy-pasted[] from the cited website so I expect the page to be deleted. DexDor (talk) 21:28, 1 March 2015 (UTC)

Public opinion about US drone attacks
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 * Thanks. I copied the material from another wp article, but it does appear to be copyvio so I've replaced that text. DexDor (talk) 22:54, 13 March 2015 (UTC)

MfD nomination of User:Arfin Rana Fan Page
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Change
Hello. I am not sure why you removed those categories from my page. I am Jain and Gujarati. Request you to explain. . Vishal Bakhai - Works 22:36, 23 April 2015 (UTC)
 * @Vishal - See WP:USERNOCAT. Those categories are for articles. DexDor(talk) 05:24, 24 April 2015 (UTC)
 * @Dex, understood. :D. Vishal Bakhai - Works 19:02, 24 April 2015 (UTC)

John Joshua to Joshua
Thanks! For some reason the redirect I attempted was taking the new article back to the old one, rather than vice-versa! Grateful for assistance! cheers, Eebahgum (talk) 14:45, 25 April 2015 (UTC)

Your feedback is welcome
Hey, your feedback is welcome here: Talk:Michael Kors (brand), whether the brand should have its own article, separate from the designer. Tinton5 (talk) 22:46, 27 April 2015 (UTC)

Concerning Your Edit At Mosquito
Concerning your edit here, wouldn't the categories of Pathology and Spanish words and phrases still apply, given the important role (female) mosquitoes play as vectors for numerous diseases, as well as the word "mosquito," itself being a Spanish loanword?--Mr Fink (talk) 19:08, 11 May 2015 (UTC)


 * Re Pathology - mosquitos spread disease, but so do thousands of other things (and, for that matter, many different species of mosquito). The article is in Category:Insect vectors of human pathogens.
 * Re Words - wp articles should be categorized by characteristics of their topic (a family of insects), not by characteristics of their title (Spanish words, Words beginning with "M", 8-letter words, Words containing a "q" ...). DexDor(talk) 05:04, 12 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Fair enough.--Mr Fink (talk) 15:31, 12 May 2015 (UTC)

Add three blocks to the "help out" section
See Wikipedia talk:Community portal/Archive 17. Though there were three Wikipedians embraced my proposal to add three blocks: "Create these articles", "Represent a worldwide view" and "Add historical information" to the "help out" section, the three blocks were not added. Please add them to the section, or at least revive my proposal and encourage other Wikipedians to participate.--RekishiEJ (talk) 13:18, 12 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Nothing to do with me. DexDor(talk) 18:42, 12 May 2015 (UTC)
 * But you had edited Community portal before, so I thought that you can make changes to the "help out" section of the portal.--RekishiEJ (talk) 14:10, 26 May 2015 (UTC)
 * And the section does lack these three blocks: "Create these articles", "Represent a worldwide view" and "Add historical information", and they are all important, so I think that if you think that you can't add these ones without consensus, at least you can revive my proposal in the talk page.--RekishiEJ (talk) 14:12, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

Pouilly
Just curious, DexDor: Why did you remove my surname addition? Is it because there's no article yet, or some other reason? Thanks. Floridasand (talk) 04:11, 13 May 2015 (UTC)
 * See MOS:DAB, WP:DDD ... DexDor(talk) 05:06, 13 May 2015 (UTC)

Your redirect of MATTE two years ago was poor
Dex, by chance I came across the page MATTE I once created, and which you changed to a redirect about two years ago ] with the quite WP:BOLD statement: there's no evidence that the acronym/term is notable enough to require its own article, orphan. No evidence? Did you try Google? There's an entire 2008 book on the subject, and a lot of other stuff, that even the most superficial search would have revealed I undid your edit. AccidentRecorder (talk) 12:38, 29 May 2015 (UTC)
 * @AccidentRecorder. The MATTE article (as currently written) is about the acronym "MATTE" - not about the concept that the acronym refers to. I see no evidence that the acronym itself is notable (see WP:WORDISSUBJECT). It may be possible to write an article about, for example, European legislation to prevent major accidents to the environment, but such an article probably shouldn't be titled "MATTE" (WP:JARGON), shouldn't begin "MATTE is an acronym" (WP:REFERS), shouldn't be under Category:Language and should be linked to/from the rest of Wikipedia.  In short, the article shouldn't exist in its current form. DexDor(talk) 17:07, 7 June 2015 (UTC)

Advice
Hi, DexDor. I know this is an area that you're interested in, so I'd appreciate your advice. I've long thought that some of the subcategories of are unreasonably small in scope, e.g.  and. Not to mention most parts of the tree act as de facto flora categories, leading to articles on California endemics like Calystegia peirsonii to have a half dozen categories when there should reasonably just be one. I know you and I have different opinions on broader views of the category hierarchy in this regard, but I thought we might both agree that California is a large and varied enough region with plenty of locally native species and endemics that just a single would do. You'll also notice that many of these articles are in categories for individual counties or mountains -- I wouldn't think this is appropriate, but I can't think what guideline would govern that. Anyway, I'd appreciate your thoughts. Cheers, Rkitko (talk) 02:58, 12 June 2015 (UTC)


 * Hi Rkitko, "Flora and fauna of ..." categories tend to have a more significant problem (that often occurs with "X and Y" categories) - they are placed under Fauna and/or a Flora category; so, for example, Jurupa Oak is currently (mis)categorized under Category:Fauna of California. Another example is Category:Flora and fauna of Rajasthan.  They probably should all be phased out in favour of the "Biota of ..." categories of which there are many.
 * Regarding geographical areas (and assuming we're talking about species articles etc rather than articles about individual trees etc and we're not talking about endemic categories) then I agree that counties are too small. In fact, I would question whether such categories are appropriate at the level of US state - e.g. Tallgrass prairie and Prunus rivularis are currently categorized for 10 states and see the pile-up of categories on Salix exigua.
 * I don't, however, see any problem with an endemic category such as Category:Endemic flora of the San Francisco Bay Area - after all, any article should only be in one "Endemic flora of " category and it's pretty defining.
 * Currently an article like Abies bracteata is in many categories for counties, forests etc - as these aren't even mentioned in the article the category tags could just be removed. The categories themselves are ok - e.g. Category:Los Padres National Forest is appropriate for Mount Pinos etc so probably the best we could do would be to put add category text saying that the category should not contain articles about species etc unless they are endemic to that area (referring to an appropriate guideline/discussion).
 * The most immediate problem is perhaps stopping User:Look2See1 on his/her overcategorization spree. DexDor(talk) 06:38, 12 June 2015 (UTC)


 * Thanks for taking the time for such a detailed reply. I'm glad you noticed Look2See1's contributions; I've been banging my head on that particular wall for years now to no avail. A good deal of the overcategorization you find can be attributed to that editor (e.g. Salix exigua that you mentioned: before and after Look2See1 edited it in 2010). Any added voice noting the problem, whether it be cajoling or pleading, is appreciated.
 * I see your point on small endemic categories -- there's certainly no issue regarding category clutter there if implemented correctly -- but what's the lower area limit? Some small preserves and parks may have the good fortune to have 10 or more endemics (unlikely, but it's a thought experiment) so as to not run afoul of WP:SMALLCAT. When are these better served by lists than categories?
 * Thanks for the advice on the county/forest/natural history categories. I would be ok with your suggestion -- for species to not be included in those unless endemic, but current usage seems to be aimed at including all native flora within that category's geographic scope. It will certainly take some doing and I imagine that very few of the articles in these categories mention that particular distribution in the article. I may get to it at some point, but I'm less inclined to begin unless I know it won't be repopulated just as quickly. Anyway, thanks again for the chat. Cheers, Rkitko (talk) 13:34, 12 June 2015 (UTC)


 * Rkitko. Re "what's the lower area limit?" for endemics:  I've never, afaik, seen an article in more than one endemic category (e.g. in both endemic-mammals-of- and endemic-animals-of- ) and it would pass WP:DEFINING (however small the area) so I don't see a problem with endemic categories. For info: I've been concentrating on Europe (where mini-nations like Liechenstein were getting categories); I haven't looked at the US categories much. DexDor(talk) 05:32, 13 June 2015 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Template:User blp delete
You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Template:User blp delete. You voted on Category:Unsourced BLP Deletionist Wikipedians, so I thought I'd point you here. Thanks. Gparyani (talk) 06:17, 15 June 2015 (UTC)

Huntingdon (disambiguation)
You reverted my edit on Huntingdon (disambiguation) with no explanation; why? Keomike (talk) 13:55, 29 June 2015 (UTC)
 * @Keomike, MOS:DAB (see also WP:WTAF). DexDor(talk) 17:01, 29 June 2015 (UTC)

Mango edits revert
kindly reverse my edits into Mango that you have reverted.--Jogi don (talk) 06:56, 8 July 2015 (UTC)


 * @Jogi don. No. You should (1) explain the reason for your edits using the edit summary and (2) if you disagree with other editors about the content of an article discuss it on that article's talk page. DexDor(talk) 16:46, 8 July 2015 (UTC)


 * @ DexDor thanks dear for your valuable feedback, I only edited the relevant linking pages so now I will explain my edits every time I edit into Summary of that article. thanks --Jogi don (talk) 08:21, 9 July 2015 (UTC)

International Air Cadet Exchange
Hello DexDor. I would like to know the reasoning behind your removal of two categories from the International Air Cadet Exchange page. (I'll be watching here for a reply.)  Etamni &#124;  &#9993;  10:00, 28 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Hi Etamni. Category:Royal Australian Air Force (and its subcats) should only contain articles for which the RAAF is a WP:DEFINING characteristic (i.e. articles specifically about the RAAF). Ditto for the USAF category. The IACE is an international organisation with (according to the article) 23 member countries. If it was categorized by each country that is (or has ever been) a member then it would be in (at least) 23 country categories. DexDor(talk) 21:48, 28 July 2015 (UTC)


 * I feel that removal of these categories from the IACE article is in error. I've reviewed the Categorization FAQ and WP:DEFINING.


 * The FAQ states: Categories do not form a strict hierarchy or tree of categories, since each article can appear in more than one category, and each category can appear in more than one parent category. This allows multiple categorization schemes to co-exist simultaneously.


 * WP:DEFINING implies that there needs to be a clear defining characteristic in order to categorize an article in a particular way.


 * So the real question shouldn't be how many categories the IACE article theoretically might belong to, but whether it belongs within each of the two categories that were removed? I'll focus on the US side of this since I am more familiar with the CAP than with the AAFC.  The Civil Air Patrol is a multi-faceted organization.  One of their assigned missions is a youth program which is known as the cadet program.  The cadet program has numerous special activites, some of which are national in scope.  This means that they are available for cadets from any unit of the CAP to participate in (subject to eligibility and space requirements).  These programs are referred to as National Cadet Special Activities or NCSAs.  One of the NCSAs is the IACE program.  To my knowledge, this is the only NCSA with an international scope, but it is the Civil Air Patrol itself, not Wikipedia, that classifies this as one of their NCSAs.  To not categorize an article (as an NCSA of the CAP) that is about one of the NCSAs of the CAP, would be silly.


 * So the question comes down to how do we get there from here? I think that what is missing is an understanding of the relationship between the IACE and the participating (member) organizations.  Many years ago, a number of similar programs in different countries formed the organization that is known as IACE.  They continue to fund that organization.  The delegates from the member organizations vote for officers from amongst their members.  On it's own web pages, the IACE officers are identified not only by name, but by the organization they represent and whatever titles or rank they hold there.  Sometimes one or more new member organizations join, and sometimes one or more existing member organizations drop out, but ultimately, the IACE organization is defined by its member organizations and the activites that are being promoted.  Based on this, I believe that the categorization should be restored.   Etamni &#124;  &#9993;  00:06, 29 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Etamni, 1. FAQ/Categorization is rather badly written and not exactly consistent with, for example, Categorization which makes clear that categories are a hierarchical structure (e.g. "Since all categories form part of a hierarchy..."). A good example of an inconsistency is that the FAQ says "It is possible to construct loops in the category space...", whereas WP:SUBCAT says "Category chains formed by parent-child relationships should never form closed loops ....". IMO the FAQ page needs a major overhaul.
 * 2. (Assuming it's sufficiently notable) then Wikipedia can have a list of NCSAs. There is such a list (for 2008) at List of National Cadet Special Activities and for 2009 here. Lists can contain entries such as "Air Force Space Command Familiarization Course" whereas if you try to construct a list of NCSAs (for a particular year?) in category space you would soon hit the problem that you can't put the Air Force Space Command article under a CAP category. Lists and categories are different things.
 * 3. It may be true that "the IACE organization is defined by its member organizations", but the defining characteristics (in the sense that we use that term in categorization) of the IACE are things like it's an international organisation and it's concerned with air force cadets. Comparable organisations (e.g. NATO Tiger Association or FIFA) are not generally categorized by their members. Another example is World Organization of the Scout Movement - that article isn't placed under dozens of "Scouting in " categories. DexDor(talk) 21:11, 29 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Ignoring what's there now (the entire subject of CAP needs significant cleanup, which I'm working on), in your opinion, what types of items (assuming sufficient notability) belong in Category:National Cadet Special Activities of the Civil Air Patrol?  Etamni &#124;  &#9993;  01:17, 30 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Etamni, if an article is specifically about a NCSA then it belongs in the category, otherwise it probably doesn't. So, for example, National Blue Beret probably (I'm not an expert in NCSA - just going on what the article says) does, but United States Space Camp doesn't (NCSA is just one of the ways it's used). DexDor(talk) 05:02, 30 July 2015 (UTC)
 * I'll accept that for now. Reviewing (again) the guidelines on categorization, I think that what is needed (but I'm not going to write it at the moment) is an "in-between" article that explains the CAP participation in the IACE program.  That article would be part of the category.  But, you've done the same thing to another article, and this time CAP is a defining characteristic of the subject of the article.  I'm referring to the Falcon Virgo article.  Perhaps the article doesn't make it clear, but regardless of the US military resources participating in any particular Falcon Virgo exercise, the CAP always plays the part of the OPFOR in the exercises.  If the US government is completing similar exercises without the CAP, they are not called Falcon Virgo.  (Your other changes to that article were spot-on perfect, btw; my only issue is the removal of the cat.)   Etamni &#124;  &#9993;  05:19, 30 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Etamni, If CAP always play the OPFOR (and that's stated in the article) then that makes it less unreasonable for that article to be in the CAP category. If it's possible that in future years the OPFOR in Falcon Virgo could be played by another organisation then (IMO) the FV article shouldn't be in the CAP category (although I might not remove it if another editor placed it there). Note: Whether or not CAP and FV are closely linked by categorization they can/should be linked by normal links in article text. DexDor(talk) 05:42, 30 July 2015 (UTC)
 * I'll work on finding appropriate sources. The Falcon Virgo article has been on my mental to-do list for a while now -- as are other CAP articles.   Etamni &#124;  &#9993;  05:52, 30 July 2015 (UTC)

QSA
why did you cancelled my edit?Ofir michael (talk) 08:10, 4 August 2015 (UTC)


 * Ofir michael, because of WP:DDD (which is also linked in that big orange notice shown when you edit a dab page). DexDor(talk) 17:44, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

Antiquity
Hello, it's only fair to tell you why I undid your change to Antiquity. Just a couple of things which struck me, and didn't have much time to further investigate. --Midas02 (talk) 06:36, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
 * You probably missed that Ancients redirects to the page, so it should be taken into account
 * A phrase like "any period before the Middle Ages (476–1453), but still within the period of Western civilization-based human history or prehistory" doesn't fit WP:MOSDAB, too many blue links, not clear what it is pointing at, more of a dictionary definition than anything else
 * In general I believe part of the current content should be converted to a separate article on "Antiquity", rather than just deleting it off the dab page. Many links pointing to the dab page would need to be redirected to this kind of concept.
 * @Midas02 - thank's for your explanation of your edit to Antiquity, but taking each of your 3 points in turn:
 * 1. Yes - but that was an incorrect redirect (a reader looking for info about Ancients (e.g. in a computer game or the art group) isn't likely to be interested in meanings of "Antiquity". Arguably, Ancients could have a WP:PRIMARYTOPIC, but if it's a redirect to a dab page then it should be to an appropriate dab page.
 * 2. Correct - but a rather bizarre statement for you to make given that my edit reduced the number of bluelinks in that entry and your edit increased the number of bluelinks.
 * 3. If you're qualified to write an article about the topic of Antiquity then go ahead, but I don't think the material on the dab page will help much as (1) it's (obviously, being a dab page) unreferenced and (2) it's written as a dictionary definition (not an article about the topic - see WP:NAD).
 * DexDor(talk) 07:03, 25 August 2015 (UTC)

Firelighting
Guess I needed to clean my glasses! — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ≼  19:25, 25 August 2015 (UTC)

Hello
Instead of nominating the Fictional bilingual and multilingual characters category page for deletion, why not help improve the page? Wikiman103 talk 12:07, 26 August 2015 (UTC)


 * Hi Wikiman103. I'm not sure what you mean by "help improve the page" - edit the category page or place more articles in it. I don't think that categorizing fictional (or real life for that matter) people by whether they can "fully or partly speak and/or translate two or more languages" is good categorization as it's a characteristic shared by many so characters. There are also potential issues of subjectivity and WP:OR - e.g. if a character went to Eton then can we assume he knows some Latin? Consider a character such as Indiana Jones (or in fact most/all fictional archaeologists) - the films show that he has some knowledge of several languages (both written and spoken), but that's not the sort of thing that's prominently mentioned in the article (e.g. in the lead or the infobox). I suggest you learn more about WP:Categorization (that you didn't place the new category in any parent categories indicates that you may not be that familiar with it) and then add a comment to the CFD discussion. DexDor(talk) 20:19, 26 August 2015 (UTC)

Ok, and I understand that there are several fictional characters that are bilingual/multilingual, but by help improve the page I meant to place some more articles in it, and even edit the the category if necessary. Wikiman103 talk 16:41, 26 August 2015 (UTC)

rm mainspace category tags from wp admin page)
Hello DexDor,

I'm one of the co-organizers of the upcoming Amon Carter Museum Edit-a-Thon. You recently made an edit to our Meetup page, and I can't ascertain what you did? My partner and I are both deep into the learning process for all things Wikipedia, and we'd like to understand what you did. (Actually, we're pleased someone took notice of our page!)

Macks_fischer — Preceding unsigned comment added by Macks fischer (talk • contribs) 20:43, 31 August 2015 (UTC)


 * Hi Macks, I only came across your page because it showed up in a list of pages in Wikipedia namespace, but categorized as an article (e.g. in Category:Photography). I removed the category tags that placed your meetup page (which is part of Wikipedia administration) in categories that are for articles (encyclopedia content). Hope that makes sense, DexDor(talk) 21:19, 31 August 2015 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks, DexDor. Wish us luck! Macks fischer (talk) 21:39, 31 August 2015 (UTC)

Welsh-speaking people
Given the centuries of persecution suffered by Welsh-speakers (just read the history - it makes for shocking reading), the fact that the Welsh language still exists as a living language is nothing short of a miracle. Naturally therefore, it is of much interest to those interested in the Welsh language, those interested in Welsh current affairs, those interested in minority languages as well as to many members of the public in general, for it to be acknowledged that certain notable public figures e.g. politicians, sportspeople or musicians have the ability to speak Welsh. Indeed, failing to do so seems to suggest that the Welsh language is of no significance, to anybody. Whilst some may argue that the language that one speaks is not actually significant, this viewpoint is likely to be prevalent in individuals with a limited understanding of minority languages/cultures. Put another way, whilst the fact that a notable person can speak English may not be necessarily of interest - mainly due to the fact that English is the third most widely-spoken language in the world - by contrast, when a notable person who happens also to speak Welsh is not acknowledged as a Welsh speaker this is missing a very important point, simply because Welsh is much less prevalent than English. Yes, defining a cohort of Welsh-speaking people is of interest to many people, even if that does not happen to include the person(s) who instigated the deletion of this category in the first place. Therefore, just as the section 'Notable people with the name Prabhu', or 'Category:Black British people', for example, may not be of interest to a certain individuals, the fact that these Categories/Sections exist confirm the fact that they are of interest to at least some Wikipedia users, and the same is true for 'Category:Welsh-speaking people'. I hope that the majority of Wikipedia users/editors wish to build a more informative and inclusive encyclopaedia, and not an encyclopaedia that projects an Anglo-American bias whereby smaller cultures and languages are dismissed. I therefore call upon those who instigated this deletion to see beyond their possible prejudices, and remain true to Jimmy Wales' Statement of Principles by re-instating this category without further delay please as many useful links have been lost with the current deletion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Haul~cywiki (talk • contribs) 19:27, 10 September 2015 (UTC)


 * @Haul~cywiki, the purpose of Wikipedia categorization is to group together similar pages (e.g. articles about similar topics). DexDor(talk) 19:56, 10 September 2015 (UTC)


 * @User:DexDor I understand the purpose of Wikipedia categorization, can you explain why, therefore, did you support the deletion of this category? I assume that you realise that in the process of deleting the original Category:Welsh-speaking people, you and your supporters have succeeded in destroying many hours of work?  Can you re-instate the original page so that at least those grouped together on this page may be subcategorized according to your wishes?Haul~cywiki (talk) 20:05, 10 September 2015 (UTC)
 * If you understood wp categorization you wouldn't be making edits like this. If you don't want your "work to be destroyed" then please learn more about how we categorize articles. DexDor(talk) 20:41, 10 September 2015 (UTC)

thanks re: CatScan example
Thank you for adding your example to the Manual for the wp:catscan3 tool! It makes my day. :) -- do ncr  am  03:34, 20 September 2015 (UTC)

Category:Welsh-speaking sportspeople DRV
Hello; I recently closed a discussion for the above category CFD here. A deletion review of the decision has been opened DRV here. I'm notifying you because you participated in the CFD. Thanks, Good Ol’factory (talk) 23:46, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

Cold Hard Cash
Any reason you removed Cold Hard Cash as one of the definitions of CHC? 2001:4898:80E8:7:0:0:0:252 (talk) 17:40, 1 October 2015 (UTC)
 * WP:DDD etc. DexDor(talk) 18:13, 5 October 2015 (UTC)

Re: Categories for discussion/Log/2015 June 21
I find this deletion to be quite inconsistent. Why delete only these four categories (the most populated ones at that) and keep all the hundreds of others in Category:Deaths by cause?? I'm tempted to take this to WP:DRV but on the other hand, I don't want to risk getting the entire lot of 'em deleted for consistency's sake. Is it worth it? What do you think? -- &oelig; &trade; 04:38, 6 October 2015 (UTC)
 * @&oelig;, That's a kind of WP:OSE argument. There are some of these categories that are being used for articles about deaths - see, for example, Category:Deaths by rocks thrown at cars. DexDor(talk) 06:24, 6 October 2015 (UTC)
 * I'd figured you'd mention WP:OSE :) I think I'll just let this go. Just seems a shame. It could've proved useful to readers or researchers. User:Bfpage's comment that it could be the "basis of creating a set of data used to study these kinds of deaths" was a good one. Oh well. -- &oelig; &trade; 06:40, 6 October 2015 (UTC)
 * @&oelig;, Categories are for organizing pages in this encyclopedia; the only way we could provide a category for anything that might be of interest to researchers would be to categorize by every fact in the article. These categories cause various problems such as making it harder to find articles that actually are about deaths and causing incorrect categorization (e.g. placing an actor or a politician under Category:Medicine merely because they died of a medical condition). In the long term I'm hoping that WikiData will provide a (easy to use) way to list people (or anything else for that matter) with any combination of characteristics that might be of interest to researchers - that also has the advantage that it includes people for whom there's only an article in other language wikipedias.DexDor(talk) 06:49, 6 October 2015 (UTC)

Category:Order of the Netherlands Lion and subcategories relisted
Hello. You participated in either the CFD discussion to delete the above category and its subcategories or the DRV discussion regarding those categories (or both). The result of the DRV was to relist the categories for discussion. This is a notification that they have now been relisted for discussion here. Good Ol’factory (talk) 23:39, 14 October 2015 (UTC)

Contemporary history by country
Good morning, would you be willing to follow up on Category:Contemporary history by country? The Contemporary German history discussion has now been closed without prejudice to a future renomination. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:37, 23 October 2015 (UTC)

Removal of Category:Euroscar award winners from Template:Euroscar
I hope you bothered to check to see if each of the award winners has been categorized now that the template no longer generates the category. p b  p  20:18, 4 November 2015 (UTC)

Why only military NBC suit?
Dear friend, I saw you removed a pic from NBC suit because is not military suit. But civilians need also a NBC in case of emergency. Maybe it is necessary to create a new article for civilians only?--Benjamín Núñez González (talk) 09:11, 6 November 2015 (UTC)
 * The civilian equivalent is hazmat suit (now linked from NBC suit). DexDor(talk) 18:38, 27 November 2015 (UTC)

Help: move page
you deleted Category:Cosmopolitanism, which i created, .... but it created again without.. any nomination for possible deletion......

Could you help please to move this article "List of Bihari language" to "List of Bihari languages" thanks

DC Injection Braking Dodgy Diode
Hi, I saw that you edited the DC injection braking page in the past. Would you like to take a look at the picture of the half wave rectification braking, 220px-Gleichstrombremse_1.svg etc as I believe that the Horizontal diode might be a mistake. Surely the horizontal diode will form a short circuit between the L1 and L2 supply phases for the part of the suppy cycle where L1 is greater than L2 ? Best Regards, John. Johnnythefridge (talk) 10:16, 19 November 2015 (UTC)

ArbCom elections are now open!
MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 14:10, 24 November 2015 (UTC)

Category renaming
I renamed it to something else, what do you think? (137.147.55.166 (talk) 09:42, 28 November 2015 (UTC))
 * I've replied at Categories_for_discussion/Log/2015_November_28. Note: changing the nom like that (after another user has commented) can make a discussion confused - it's best to show changes made (e.g. by using ). DexDor(talk) 09:47, 28 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Oh okay, I'll remember to use that in the future, thanks. (137.147.55.166 (talk) 09:49, 28 November 2015 (UTC))
 * I've done it. (137.147.55.166 (talk) 09:51, 28 November 2015 (UTC))

Transcluding a page on my userspace
I'm sorry for translating the List of sovereign states article on my userspace; I just felt like it. Is there any way I can transclude that article along with others without having that article included in the categories? And what's wrong with userspace articles being included in categories anyway? -- PK2 (talk) 05:32, 1 December 2015 (UTC)


 * Hi PK2. Re what's wrong: the main thing is that it clutters up categories which are supposed to be for readers (and editors) to find articles. Another issue (that applies mostly on talk pages) is that people sometimes put a reference to a category in some text, but forget to include the extra ":" which means that the page is categorized incorrectly and the text doesn't make sense - that's one of the things I sometimes fix, but if such pages were allowed in article categories it would not be possible to detect. Sometimes people (e.g. Indian teenagers) create a userpage (sometimes a WP:FAKEARTICLE) promoting themselves and put it in categories for musician, student, entrepeneur etc - such categories could be swamped by such spam if it wasn't removed.
 * I'm not aware of any way to transclude an article without it being categorized (apart from putting noinclude tags on the article) - transcluding an article isn't something people normally do. I'm curious as to why you want to do it (after all, you can put a link to the article on your userpage). DexDor(talk) 06:08, 1 December 2015 (UTC) (amended DexDor(talk) 17:40, 1 December 2015 (UTC))

Aircraft Maintenance Engineer - Canada
Please stop rolling back this page. I think one needs to look at the references, before reverting as these are valid points and information. I have been an A.M.E. since summer 1977. These are factual references. I apprenticed under individuals who were licensed since the 40's. This knowledge should not be lost. Avmech (talk) 13:24, 6 December 2015 (UTC) Avmech Avmech (talk) 13:24, 6 December 2015 (UTC)


 * I've only reverted (you) once at Aircraft maintenance engineer (Canada) - several experienced editors have reverted that material. I suggest you read WP:FORUM and look at the level of detail, wording, references etc in other articles to get an idea of how things should be done in Wikipedia. DexDor(talk) 13:43, 6 December 2015 (UTC)

The merge/split/lost articles problem
Hello DexDor, thanks for your talk and effort to organize Wikipedia. The "Semantic-core boxes" essay needs English corrections, etc. and perhaps can be merged with WP:SS or WP:SERIES... But the problem and the topic of the essay is an old problem here in Wikipedia, and I never had opportunity to  discussing it... That was the motivation for a trail of links...  Do you can talk about that topic? --Krauss (talk) 20:15, 10 December 2015 (UTC)

PS: it is really old... One of the examples, I started with Template:Crystallization in March 2011‎, and I followed the entire evolution of the related articles, and I noticed how much the navbox (and a little participation) was enough to rescue all the "lost and non-cohesive" 2011's core articles of Crystallization.


 * Hi Krauss, I'm sorry but your essay is currently in a state that I (an educated native English speaker and experienced Wikipedian) can't understand it. Nor do I understand your second paragraph above. If you want to propose ideas on how to fix a problem in (the English language) Wikipedia (and I don't understand what problem you think there is) then I suggest you put a note on relevant talk/discussion pages (e.g. the talk pages of the Wp pages you linked above, a relevant wikiproject or WP:VPP), but please use clear language and include some examples. DexDor(talk) 07:00, 11 December 2015 (UTC)

Parenting
Hi, Dex - hope the section title didn't scare you. Anyway, I found the following on Commons and wasn't sure if you've seen it - Commons user categories - I probably messed something up there, too. For some reason, I can't seem to wrap my head around creating categories, subcategories, adding to a category, etc. It drives me crazy. Atsme 📞📧 19:22, 15 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Hi Atsme, I've done some rearranging on Commons (e.g. you had a category that itself had no parent categories). I took a bit of a wrong turn at first because of not being so familiar with Commons and not realising that you already had a "Images by user:Atsme‎" category (it had the wrong sortkey so it was on the T page rather than the A page) so there's now several category redirects - they probably don't do any harm, but could be deleted. DexDor(talk) 20:14, 15 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Thank you!!! --Atsme 📞📧 20:22, 15 December 2015 (UTC)

see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2015_November_25#Germanic_peoples
see my solution in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2015_November_25#Germanic_peoples 95.128.118.58 (talk) 12:07, 16 December 2015 (UTC)

HELLO ??????!!!!!!!!!!!!! WHY ARE YOU IGNORING ME?!!!!!!!!! 95.128.118.58 (talk) 09:02, 17 December 2015 (UTC)

HELLO AGAIN!! why are you not responding?! 95.128.118.58 (talk) 12:26, 20 December 2015 (UTC)

Thank you for battling The Wolf Child on the "policy front"
The policies are being misinterpreted by people with an agenda. Bod (talk) 22:37, 18 December 2015 (UTC)

Season's Greetings
To You and Yours! FWiW Bzuk (talk) 19:04, 20 December 2015 (UTC)