User talk:Dfcoe

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Flint and Pere Marquette Railroad East Saginaw Depot
Hi Dfcoe. I saw that you blanked the page and I'm guessing your pretty frustrated at this point. I wanted to leave you a message and try to explain what's going on.

First off, I apologize if the issues were not made clear. Many editors like myself patrol new articles where one is added about every 5 seconds. To keep up, we use template messages to inform editors of our actions. This can often seem cold and sometimes it can be difficult to understand what's happening based on the complexity of Wikipedia's policies and guidelines.

Secondly, the template I left on the page regarding a possible copyright violation was to alert other editors like me who monitor articles for copyright violations, that there may be a problem that needs addressed. The red color is used in templates that require immediate attention which may have made it seem as though the article had been nominated for deletion when in fact, it had not.

Lastly, I think that you've gathered some really useful information. Information that I think that the Wikipedia community would love for you to donate. The problem at this point is that the information you have posted is copyrighted by Daniel Coe and while I personally believe that you are Daniel Coe, the copyright holder and person capable of donating that information, we can't just take your word for it for legal reasons.

I would be happy to help you through the donation process if you would like. With a few easy steps, we can erase not only erase the issues that have been popping up on the East Saginaw Depot article, we can make sure it's not a problem for you in the future.

If you're interested in this process, please let me know here or on my talk page. You don't have to have my help, though. The process is outlined here at WP:DCM but I would be more than happy to help you with the process.

On a side note, I looked through the research on your website. It's pretty impressive. The pictures are probably the most amazing to me but that's probably because I'm an engineer and enjoy being able to see the architecture and how some of it has been updated and being used. Specifically the pictures of the homes that Gilbert designed. After this, I'm going to go and find more information on the Benjamin Ames Kimball Residence.

I hope you haven't been turned away from WP. I apologize for any frustration you may have been caused.  Ol Yeller21 Talktome  14:24, 18 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Hello O1Yeller21! Sorry it took me so long to respond. Yes, for a while I was getting frustrated and annoyed.  I realize that copy written material shouldn't be submitted, but I was/am having a difficult time conveying that I was in fact the owner of the Bradford Lee Gilbert site.  I would like your help on this situation.  I really wanted to submit information about the Potter Street Station, because that is a project that I was involved in for over 14 years, and it's where all of my research on Bradford Lee Gilbert started. Since 1992, I've been researching Mr. Gilbert quite extensively, and I feel I've only scratched the surface of what there is to know about him.


 * One thing I have to question after you've restored the page, why is the Reference area removed? I know all of the information came from my website, but its public knowledge.  You can find these resources anywhere, Wikipedia (R), Google Books, Amazon.com, and your local library.  If the resources cannot be added to the Reference area, then I would like to have my website URL added to the external links.


 * Thank you about the kind words about my website. My wife and I took a two week trip across the Northeastern states photographing all of the buildings I knew existed. Most of the buildings have been uploaded on my site, but I still have more to do.  Like you, I also enjoy architecture and one of my favorite homes Mr. Gilbert designed (so far) is the Kimball house.  I am looking forward to hearing what you find out about the house as well.  (Dfcoe (talk) 17:06, 21 November 2011 (UTC))


 * Hey Dfcoe. I'd be happy to help.  I'll explain more below.


 * I restored most of the content minus the references, as you pointed out. It's sort of a grey area but as the text is found verbatim at your website, I thought I would be safe and remove them for now.  Intuitively, I thought that since you spent the time to put that list of references together and note which pages have the pertinent information, it's your work and it didn't feel right to take that away from you.  Ultimately, I hoped/assume that we can get the copyright issue settled and it will be a non-issue.


 * Given the amount of research you've done, I've asked for help from an editor I often work with who has more experience with donating/licensing material than I do. She'll be able to tell us the best next step.  I would usually suggest simply writing an email to the Wikimedia Foundation from the website's domain giving permission but I think that's best for smaller portions of text or for 1-3 articles.  Her username is.


 * I found some more information on The Kimball House. The fireplaces look amazing.  I've always loved fireplaces that aren't on the wall such as with this photo.  The description on the Capitol Center for the Arts mentions that it's marble which is impressive.  I can't imagine how much that weighs or what the original block(s) or marble looked like.  It looks seamless but it's hard to tell from the picture.  I think this picture you took is a little clearer.  I've always been interested in the door handles in old homes as well.  I always imagine them being machined by someone then having detail added my some type of artisan, all on top of making an actual working, locking door handle.  As an engineer, I'm always thinking about the creation process and handles are one thing that we touch an incredible amount and never think about how they've changed.


 * This picture still blows my mind. This one confuses me.  It almost looks like a secret passage or something.  I like thinking this house has secret passages.  I like this pic from the attic.  I've always found attics interesting.  I think they tell a lot about a house.


 * While looking at that house, I found several others owned by Kimball; even a castle. It seems that he was quite the tycoon.  I've got some work to do but I'll be back later when I hear from Moonriddengirl on the best course of action.  Ol Yeller21  Talktome  18:56, 21 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Hey Dfcoe. Before I get into how to donate, I want to make sure you're aware of Wikipedia's policy regarding donating and donated material.  You can find that information at WP:DCM.
 * There are two ways to donate to WP. The first is by placing a "copyleft" notice on your website that gives permission to others to use the text found at that website.  The other is to give the same permission to WP through an email.  Both processes can be found here.  I've never gone through the process myself but its seems rather straight forward.
 * Once that process is complete, should you chose to donate the material, you and other editors can begin creating articles based on the information you have pulled together or adding it to preexisting articles about the subjects you cover.
 * If you have any questions about anything WP related, feel free to ask here and I'll do my best to help.  Ol Yeller21 Talktome  18:02, 22 November 2011 (UTC)