User talk:Dharmabum420/Archive 4

I'm reporting you for 3RR
JUST KIDDING!.....Geez! Syd dies and the Pink Floyd related articles get bombed with useless text and superfluity. Hopefully it'll all die down soon. I haven't seen the PF article have this much action since the day it went "front page". Good luck and stay diligent! Anger22 22:53, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

The PF article, a slight correction
I corrected your introduction of "Embryo". As I mention in the article, it was actually released in 1970 on a relatively obscure VA double album (which I wish that I had today!) Due to the resulting length of the "Embryo" discussion, I found it necessary to restructure the opening sentences of the 1983 paragraph. Hope it's okay. I'm not a native English speaker.

regards, Leif

More
You are right with regard to progressive instead of prog, but i do not agree on the use of the mere word "incidental" for those tracks: those reveal a sense of sonic avantgarde that prelude to Ummagumma, also, the instrumental "Main theme" could have inspired some electronic music in 1970s, such as Oxygene by Jarre, and Quicksilver is a first example of background - ambient - environmental music. For this reason I wrote "experimental", but maybe avant-garde is more appropriate.cheers. --Doktor Who 06:43, 13 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Good, great, lets go on. It is a great improvement in just few hours. Now I am on a little vacation (some hours), so I will be back later, bye and cheers.--Doktor Who 07:20, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

A new vandal around
Please see here, and try to contact an administrator in order to block this disgusting crazy guy. I cant patroll for now, please also give a look to other relevant pages from time to time if you are online. See ya later, bye.--Doktor Who 07:31, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

The Dark Side of the Moon vinyl re-release
Hi, just letting you know I added info about the 30th anniversary re-release on vinyl to your Pink Floyd and Dark Side of the Moon pages. I'm not sure if the mention belongs to any other articles, but if there are, let me know and I'll add it.--Undertow87 15:53, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Have You Got It Yet
Hi, I'm not a wiki member. I've made anonymous edits on various subjects but nothing important either way. I have some familiarity with the HYGIY project and (not being in a position to advocate directly) appreciated your recent edit comments.

I imagine you have more than enough workload with this already, but I do feel HYGIY is of enough significance to merit mention on the Syd page. As you probably know it is exhaustive, chronologically sequenced, uses the best-quality sources available to the fan community and is available free of charge. It was the direct inspiration for a similar project ("God's Holiday") in the Incredible String Band community, and comparable "grassroots anthologies" are not uncommon elsewhere.

HYGIY exists for the purpose of historical preservation. Its exclusion as a "bootleg" is a non sequitur in light of Wikipedia's PF entry containing an entire section devoted to RoIOs. If it is acceptable to list HYGIY there then it is equally acceptable to mention it in the Syd article, where it is directly relevant to his legacy. Wikipedia has no role in distributing HYGIY and provides factual information elsewhere on the existence of "bootlegs," and so this is a non-issue.

Are these comments better suited to the Syd discussion page? Having no ability to edit there and no interest in an edit war, I wouldn't care to clutter it more than necessary.

At the very least, can I ask you to add a link to the http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/madcapslaughing Laughing Madcaps group on the Syd page? It is the largest-ever Syd Barrett fan group on the planet. There are over 2500 registered members. ("Vegetable Friends" is by all accounts a fine group, arguably even a better group, but is an offshoot.) All of these are significant resources and deserve inclusion, but the lack of a link to Laughing Madcaps is a glaring omission.

SFC 70.104.37.197 17:23, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I'll respond here, as I can't be sure you're on a static IP and get the message.
 * You don't need to tell a guy with 2300+ Floyd/Barrett tracks the importance of HYGIY. :) I just don't want to get into an edit war with the user who removed it, as the whole copyvio thing is something people feel strongly about and will fight over. I personally think it's a bit silly, because discussing something that is a copyvio is not the same as actually breaking copyright laws. I think he's sort of unaware of the whole ethos of tape trading, as some of his wording indicates he thinks HYGIY is being promoted for sale. I intend to start a thread on the talk page discussing it once it's unprotected (to be sure everyone can make their opinion heard) to establish a consensus, which I'm sure will be in favour of including HYGIY in the Barrett article (as well as ATFoS). Protection should be lifted in the next couple days, might be a bit slower than normal because Jimbo himself was the one to set it.


 * As for the Laughing Madcaps, unfortunately, Yahoo Groups sites are generally considered unacceptable by the external link guidelines no matter how large they are, both as a general policy against web forums and because it requires membership with both Yahoo Groups and the web forum itself. If the group isn't on Another Link on the Wall, make sure to add it there. (Follow-up note; I see the Laughing Madcaps is on the HYGIY page; this is acceptable since the article is, in part, about the Yahoo group) - dharmabum 20:16, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

Hiya-- I'd give an email addy but am wary of spambots. Thanks; glad you're enjoying HYGIY. An upgrade is in the works, btw. Edit wars are an enjoyable spectator sport but brutal and ultimately boring for whomever gets sucked into participating.

If so much energy is wasted on copyvio issues, wouldn't it be good to reach a consensus on this point? Is there a forum where comments could be made? (Not just for Syd, but on the policy as such? Or is that wikipedians-only?)  I'm agreed--no need to get bogged down in copyright law. Even if HYGIY was being sold, wiki itself doesn't distribute the music. No harm, no foul. It could save itself a lot of bandwidth by removing all references to allegedly illegal activity, but wouldn't exactly be an encyclopedia anymore, hmmm? ;)

I'll check Link on the Wall and add LM if need be; thanks.

Odd then that Vegetable Friends is included; they're also a Yahoogroup. (I wouldn't want to see them deleted; they seem nice enough. Just saying.)  If a HYGIY reference was restored to the Syd page and LaughingMadcaps cited as the source, would a fansite link be acceptable then? (We wouldn't need a paragraph, just a nod, but after all we are the biggest!) And yes, Treeful Of Secrets deserves its own mention, in fact its own page.

Oh--if it helps any, LaughingMadcaps has been referenced in Turn On Your Mind by Jim DeRogatis, and the HYGIY project is duly noted.

SFC 70.104.37.197 21:19, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Cool, I'll look forward to an update (I just listened to the whole thing as a tribute to the late Roger). I hope it'll include "Bob Dylan Blues"; I only acquired it recently and can't believe I went without it so long - it may be my favourite Syd solo track, marvelously clever on wordplay and funny as hell. Have you guys ever thought about a FLAC version, or are the original sources not good enough to bother?


 * I think there is consensus on the issue; obviously, pages like A Tree Full of Secrets and Have You Got It Yet? exist on the Wikipedia without complaint, as well as the large bootleg section in the discography. Fan-traded RoIOs are a bit of a grey area, furthermore, and I don't think anyone is 100% sure how to deal with them.


 * I haven't had much involvement with the Barrett page personally (Pink Floyd has been my baby; 20% of the edits in the past year are mine), and didn't know that Vegetable Friends was on it. I wouldn't care, personally, if you put your group up as well, as the article on Barrett still has a lot of work to be done (I'm far more concerned about the almost complete lack of references in the article); just be aware that both links will likely go if anyone decides to put their nose to the grindstone and push it to featured status. While under no circumstance would Laughing Madcaps (or Vegetable Friends) be considered acceptable for a featured-level article as an "External link", it is possible that it could be worked directly into the text of the article; something like:
 * "One of the most widely traded bootleg collections is Have You Got It Yet?, a large collection of rare material compiled by Barrett fans at the Laughing Madcaps Yahoo! group."
 * External link guidelines are just to try to curb the rampant edit wars and insanely long lists of links that accumulate at the bottom of an article to trivial sites like Geocities home pages rather than deprive the article of useful information. I've had a bad history with them; a long, tiresome edit war with a blatant self-promoter in Pink Floyd that resulted in all of the external links (including useful ones I would have really liked to keep, like http://brain-damage.co.uk) being stripped out of the article with just "Another Link" remaining as a collection, a comprimise that really left no-one happy.


 * Finally, like any good Wiki editor, I should encourage you to create an account; it's quick, free and painless, actually protects your anonymity more because people can't see your IP address, allows you to email other users (who allow it) without worries about spambots, lets you to participate in things like Articles for Deletion (which Pink Floyd trivia narrowly escaped recently) and brings more weight when discussing things on article talk pages and so on. - dharmabum 22:16, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the info. I don't know the wiki ropes, so it's all good to know. I would create an account except that the last thing I really need right now is to join another online community!

The HYGIY upgrade would be some months off. I personally would love to have "Bob Dylan Blues" onboard but it's in print and will be for a long time. We'd never simply clone a commericial track; there should be no need. It's assumed everybody bought all the albums years ago. Here and there we include a permutation; fan-created stereo, or true stereo that's out of print. Can't really do that with BDB.

HYGIY was treed in SHN, the revision should be in FLAC. We have more 1st-gen sources this time around, and use EAC to rip tracks when possible. We do all we can to up the quality.

Sure, a passing mention of LM in the Syd article text, in the context of HYGIY--that would be fine. Thanks again, and I'll keep an eye on the talk page.

SFC 70.104.37.197 00:12, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
 * My bad, I thought some of the included tracks were remixes or rarer tracks available on commercial remixes (eg. I, for some reason, thought some of the "Dark Globe" mixes were found on Opel, which I still only own on cassette tape and haven't heard in ages), similar to ATFoS (which includes, for instance, the '81 re-recording of "Money" which is available on A Collection of Great Dance Songs).


 * I'm going to have to re-download it - the copy I acquired was 192 kbps MP3, which is fine for my iPod, but I didn't know it was available in SHN for making some lossless CDs with. Thanks for the info. - dharmabum 06:35, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

Hi-- I've been out with a bad back this week, but happy to see the HYGIY situation worked out well. The HYGIY wiki entry had room for improvement so I gave it a shot; hopefully it's better now. If not, I'd be happy with whatever is appropriate. It turns out the discography page I'd had in mind is from the same site you've had to delete twice recently. Hopefully this one is OK? Thanks. SFC 129.44.249.250 23:16, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I didn't realize that Neptune no longer direct-hosted HYGIY, but requires a user membership to just get access to .torrents. As such I don't think it's much of a worry. Speaking of which, it only hosts the first 11 discs; do you know where I can pick up the VCD volumes? I never burned them because I didn't have the software to do so, but I've acquired VCD burning software and would love to see the videos. - dharmabum 23:42, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I just tracked down a working torrent for HYGIY Vol. 11-19, and now I remember the problem; the videos are in Nero (.nrg) format, which doesn't seem to be supported by any Mac program. Was this the original format they were distributed under? I'd suggest a change to a more cross-platform format (such as ISO) in the update if so, although this particular torrent's music files are in MP3 rather than SHN, so has clearly been re-encoded. - dharmabum 23:53, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately there's always somebody willing to encode them in MP3; just today there was an admonishment about that on the message board. It's nice that they get around, but frustrating after so much work has gone into finding hi-qual sources.
 * Without getting into email addresses here, it would be easiest to sign onto the group and ask. Someone there will be happy to point you to lossless ftp, and there are Mac users as well.  (I'm no good with that sort of question.  I didn't have VCD burning software at the time; I got those in trade.)  I can't imagine they'd remain in VCD format for the upgrade though.  At the time DVD burners weren't so common.  (CD burners weren't so common when HYGIY began!)  By the way, a new "Arnold Layne" vid surfaced on youtube this month; this will certainly be included next time around but it's well worth checking out now.  SFC 129.44.249.250 00:40, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Will do. And of course, I forget that the collection is from the pre-DVD burner days; obviously a DVD or two would be the best option now. I recently started playing with VCDs as a lower-cost option to burn out some low-res stuff on my computer and was stuck in the mindset.
 * I picked up that new "Arnold Layne" video on Yeeshkul a few days back, it's terrific. Just looks like a bunch of kids having fun... which is, of course, what they were then. - dharmabum 00:53, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. ;)
Thanks so much for improving the Pink Floyd-related articles, I see you're really into them too. You've made the pages alot better. ;) Ss112 07:22, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
 * It looks like someone thinks that you are the only guy currently improving those articles.--Doktor Who 23:52, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I doubt that, but he probably stopped by because you do see my name on them an awful lot, especially the main article (see this for instance). - dharmabum 00:05, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Re: Changed to Syd Barrett archive
The reason why I unsubst'ed the in the archive is because the template is not meant to be subst'ed, I believe. I'm sorry if that's not the case with the talkarchive template but I know that's the case with the archive template. If I had to guess, both methods would probably be ok but it'll probably be safer to not subst it. Thanks for asking! Douglasr007 06:36, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the invitation Dharm
I've added my name to the list. I might also suggest you put an invite out to MightyMoose22. He is quite active in many of the music pages on my watchlist and also active in the WikiProjectGuitarists(of which I am also a member) He seems to be very "in the know" as far as Wiki policies and guidelines go. He is also very civil is a debate over content. As you may know my prime "Wiki-focus" is vandalism...but I will try to contribute to the project as well. If you happen to notice any PF pages that are vandalised often please let me know and I will pay closer attention to them.(nothing will ever match the day the PF main article went front page...that was insane) I've been a Floyd fan for almost as long as there's been a band to be a fan of. I was in Montreal the night of the "gob" I will do my best to help the project out and again...thanks, Cheers and take care! Anger22 01:49, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
 * My memory of fine details is fading but I remember it was a weird night. It was a massive crowd and things got a little crazy at times. The crowd was noisy during the POTW bits and Waters' mood wasn't good. I moved around through the whole show. I was up quite close during Pigs(3) but not close enough to see "the shot". Waters did bait the guy on the barricade to come closer and you could tell by the crowd that something had happened. There was a huge gap between that song and when they came back for set 2. During the intermission people were talking about him spitting. Gilmour did play the whole show(minus the jam)... but he was pretty distant though through the entire WYWH set. I've read where he watched the final jam from the soundboard but I don't think those stories are true. The house lights were on during the last 2 songs and the roadies were tearing down before the band stopped playing. I think I have the recording you mentioned. I have Az-C, plus another boot that's really poor. Recently though, I downloaded one that is crystal clear. It could be the same one you have. It didn't have a title. Just a dated zip file. I am not a huge boot collector. I do have about 18 PF boots. They are all, for the most part, of decent quality. I tried to get at least 1-2 from each era/tour. I don't have any from the "sans Waters" tours. Cheers! Anger22 14:00, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your invitation, which I (of course) accepted. —Rotring 12:58, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Hello, many thanx for your invitation. As you can see, I'm pretty new here, and I am not fully aware of some procedures. I would like to suggest to collect any info available on Gilmour's collaborations with other artists as a musican and/or producer, as well as Mason's activity as producer, and possibly create some pertaining articles. Beside that, I'm currently working on Dave Kilminster, but I guess that it is not regarded as relevant to Pink FLoyd. After that, I'm planning to add further info on their recording and performing techniques from the point of view of a sound engineer's, as I already did in a few cases. Last question: could you please check if Phil Manzanera co-wrote some songs in A Momentary Lapse of Reason?-Doktor Who 01:31, 29 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Hey Dharm, thx for replying at my talk page. Could you please explain me what's the meaning of the following sentence?
 * DYN has a 72 hr. time limit from the creation of the article.
 * Also I would like to thank Rotring for adding Dave Kilminster to the project, but I wonder if (imho) it can be listed in the paragraph that includes newly created articles. --Doktor Who 18:13, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

Poll at Syd Barrett's talk page
I have a poll going at the Talk:Syd Barrett page. Would you like to participate and help us solve an issue? TheQuandry 01:31, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

Got a question...== ==

How do you join WikiProjects Pink Floyd? Do I just put my name on the list or somthing? --ASDFGHJKL 01:09, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

don't vandalize my userpage
Dude, do NOT touch my user page again; use pages are meant for the author to create or admins to do as needed. If you touch it again I'll report you to admin. *Daijinryuu*

Hmm...a case of mistaken identity...
Excuse me, but I've never been anywhere NEAR the Pink Floyd and Panic! At The Disco pages. I think you may be mistaken.

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:86.131.219.238&redirect=no

did you...!?
...go to northside prep in chicago?

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Bio of a Space Tyrant
I've removed your entire Solar Geography section from the article. While it is, indeed, fascinating, I can find no reference for the author or critics saying this. That would make it original research which is inappropriate for inclusion in the 'pedia. See WP:OR. If there is a source for this, please add it back and accept my apologies. --Dante Alighieri | Talk 00:12, 10 February 2007 (UTC)