User talk:Dhartung/Archive 5

VfD
Hello there. I saw your weak delete at the recent AfD voting on German Soldier's House. Could you check the article now, after I added more sources? Sure, it's still a stub, but it's much better referenced IMO. BTW, I'm not so sure the name is well-established (the only easily-available source to confirm it is a German documentary - also linked from the article - while other sources I read do not mention any organizational names at all). But this is a matter of WP:MOVE IMO, not of WP:VfD.  // Halibutt 21:59, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
 * It's me again. In the AfD debate you have shown interest in reworking the article into a new on, focused on all forced prostitution in Nazi Germany in general rather than the Wehrmaht and SS-oriented aspect the stub was on. May I help you in any way? Or do you prefer to do it alone?  // Halibutt 00:18, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/Flags of ethnic groups
Hi. I took your comment about galleries and flag articles to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Heraldry and vexillology but I'm not sure I properly characterized your message -- feel free to jump in and set me straight if I got it wrong. You raised a good point. --A. B. (talk) 15:53, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

Your welcome
I'm trying to make the Dismissal of U.S. attorneys controversy as complete as possible, but it's pretty tough given how much keeps on being written about it. Thanks for your help too. The whole thing is fascinating. Remember 22:37, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

Recalled products category - how about a list instead?
I think you are on to something good. I have replied to your suggestion here. Johntex\talk 05:56, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

CHICOTW
TonyTheTiger (talk/cont/bio) 17:53, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

Harassment charges filed against you
Mr. dhartung, I have filed harassment charges against you.

Billy Hathorn 19:31, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

Tiffany Adler
sure it happens on cops every week, but this had made headlines in global outlets like yahoo news and the San Francisco examiner a major American newspaper. It passes WP:BIO requirements.T ALK•Q R C2006•¢ʘñ†®¡ß§ 21:59, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

CHICOTW
TonyTheTiger (talk/cont/bio) 00:26, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

Cho and the recent deaths column
See Portal talk:Current_events. Christopher Connor 13:44, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

Inaccurate media reports of the Virginia Tech massacre
Please revisit Articles for deletion/Michael Sneed. Uncle G 14:59, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

Timothy Bush
Hi, You added to the article on Timothy Bush that he maybe the illegitimate son of Mary Fairbanks. I did a quick Google search, and the only place I can find this online are WP mirrors. Do you have a source for that claim? Also, I can only find one child for T. Bush, and Thats T. Bush Jr. I can't find anything that says Jr's middle name was Fairbanks. Can you clarify for me? Thanks! --Briancua 22:28, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

Looking for input
Hello, you recently participated in this AfD. There is a discussion going on at the article's talk page about the title of the article, so I am notifying everyone who voted or commented on the AfD in case you wanted to participate in the discussion. Thanks! Tufflaw 00:53, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

The never-ending Billy Hathorn saga - part 94
Roy O Martin, Jr's gone to DRV; I don't propose commenting either way on it as I'm fed up with this whole saga. (Hopefully, whichever way the decision goes the combination of the AN/I and the DRV will mean enough admins will be watching/advising him from now on that he'll start following policy.) -  irides  centi   (talk to me!)  23:52, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the heads up -- I pretty much expected this to happen. If only he'd actually publish a paper "Louisiana-Texas Dictionary of Biography" ... --Dhartung | Talk 00:33, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
 * The annoying thing is, his articles are actually pretty good - he just seems unable to grasp the concepts of "copyright" and "nonentity". If only he put as much effort into writing articles that anyone will ever read, he'd be an admin in three months -  irides  centi   (talk to me!)  00:52, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

AfD for Morgan-Manning House
It looks like someone rewrote so it wouldn't resemble a class project so much. The nominator of Articles for deletion/Morgan-Manning House was thinking about withdrawing the nomination, but wasn't sure if that can be done now that there are delete votes out there. You might want to take a look at the article to see if it looks more legitimate now. --Elkman (Elkspeak) 22:19, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

Hi
Just a hello, because I've noticed we seem to be bumping into each other recently (African American (which I just closed as rejected by the way) & the École Polytechnique massacre FAC). I always appreciate your thoughts, so I thought I'd say hi. (Full disclosure: it's raining, I have the day off and should be doing schoolwork, instead am banging around the wiki). Cheers. Dina 16:44, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

Oops
Thanks for to the helpful comments. I had tried not to edit anyone's comments under "I have a dream", but when I deleted my original post it left a Vandalism comment under the one above. I thought it was best just to delete the vandalism to keep people from getting the wrong idea. Thanks for the tip though. Last thing I want is to stumble blindly into a wikipedia mess, which is how I ended up here in the first place. Hopefully I can have more meaningful contributions in the future. Mindypeek 17:41, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

Chicago Landmark Stubification
Four weeks ago, you contributed to the WP:CHICOTW when Chicago Landmark was the article. This week, we are attempting to stubify the numerous redlinks with a goal of getting over half the redlinks stubified (we began with about 25%). This will improve our chance of getting it approved as a featured list candidate. When reviewing this weeks contributing editors your name was absent. You may want to choose a redlink or two from Chicago Landmark and create a stub before this week's project ends so that you can be a part of our drive for featured list status. TonyTheTiger (talk/cont/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 15:34, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

Haiku Reservoir
Thanks! Glad someone appreciated it. :) Tearlach 00:26, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

Qian Zhijun
You commented on Articles for deletion/Qian Zhijun. It has been closed early after a confusing and IMO unfortunate sequence of events. I have now listed it on Deletion Review. You may wish to express your views there. DES (talk) 00:54, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

Nitrium
You may be correct. However, give me a chance to do some research. I am too busy today but I do things that I plan to do, not just give empty promises.VK35 16:32, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

Bushy
I would like you to look again at Bushy and reconsider your vote. I have rewritten the article from scratch using reliable sources. Thanks! --Dhartung | Talk 09:46, 14 May 2007 (UTC)


 * I happily changed my vote. Thanks for greatly improving the article. → Ed Gl  20:29, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

A request for mediation has been filed with the Mediation Committee that lists you as a party. The Mediation Committee requires that all parties listed in a mediation must be notified of the mediation. Please review the request at Requests for mediation/Channon Christian and Christopher Newsom murder, and indicate whether you agree or refuse to mediate. If you are unfamiliar with mediation, please refer to Mediation. There are only seven days for everyone to agree, so please check as soon as possible.Shoessss talk

Request for Mediation
This message delivered: 08:18, 18 May 2007 (UTC).

Chicago Landmark Stubification
I am writing you because you either (1) edited Chicago Landmark 5 weeks ago when it was the WP:CHICOTW (2) edited it or created a stub last week when we had the stubification drive for it or (3) you nominated an article to be the CHICOTW in the last few days.

I have finally had a chance to take a tally on last week’s stubification effort. Based on my manual count we now have 109 bluelinks on a total of 241 landmarks. Preliminary indications were that for our article to be successful at WP:FLC we would need to eventually rename it (something like List of Chicago Landmarks) and get the majority of the landmarks linked. Based on my cursory count we need to write 12 more articles to get to a majority. It would be great if you might be able to assist by creating a couple stubs to assist in this effort. Here are some of the stubs that were created during last week’s efforts: Black Metropolis-Bronzeville District, Historic Michigan Boulevard District, Arthur H. Compton House & One North LaSalle. Among the articles still redlinked are 2 buildings on this week’s CHICOTW, Magnificent Mile (Perkins, Fellows & Hamilton Office and Studio, Woman's Athletic Club). Recall that each redlink on Chicago Landmark has a footnote to a reference that gives you enough info to create a stub. If you create a new stub please add it to WikiProject_Chicago so that we can keep track of the progress. TonyTheTiger (talk/cont/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 15:33, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

Panorama Software
The goal for the "Panorama Software" page was to move the software company with the same name to a business listing page.(Done) and delete the page. (TODO) When someone enters "panorama software" in the search box, the category "Panorama software" page would show. I'm not an administrator/sysop so someone else with these powers will have to remove the page. I'm not up to speed on all the procedures yet but I'm learning from the seasoned editors I run into on the pages I'm involved with.

If you can help solve and close this issue it would be apprciated. John Spikowski 05:45, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
 * John, what you want is a hatnote that provides navigation in the case of potential confusion, that's all. We don't need to move an article away from its most appropriate name, Panorama Software, just because there's a category Category:Panorama software. When I enter "panorama software" and get Panorama Software, that's the way it should work. The search function does not, by default, find categories. (If you ask me, categories would be more useful than templates, which do turn up, but that's just the way things are right now.) After you start a search, the results page includes a check box for searching the category namespace, but you have to get there first to turn it on. (before and after.)


 * I'll add a hatnote to both articles to show how that works. I have no idea what you mean by "a business listing page", by the way; there is no such thing in Wikipedia, as all articles are just articles. I apologize if I sounded annoyed, but I very much appreciate that you are asking questions. It's the best way to learn (and one I'm not as good at). --Dhartung | Talk 05:59, 19 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks for cleaning up the mess! Not sure why "Panorama Software LTD." should have a page on the Wikipedia anyways. It was deleted once before. Sure looks like a "business listing" to me. John Spikowski 08:40, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

Hi Dhartung, I've been following the Panorama Software since it opened but reserved comment until now. I completely agree with your points and suggestions but now I'm wondering if I have walked into a quagmire of WP:COI here? CIreland 07:05, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

Talk:John_Africa
Please assume good faith when dealing with other editors. Groupthink 08:48, 20 May 2007 (UTC) (Reply acceptable but not required) Please see Wikipedia's no personal attacks policy. Comment on content, not on contributors. Personal attacks damage the community and deter users. Note that continued personal attacks will lead to blocks for disruption. Please stay cool and keep this in mind while editing. Groupthink 08:48, 20 May 2007 (UTC) (Reply acceptable but not required)

Arbuthnot?
I can't figure out what the term means, but it's piqued my interest, so I'll bite. What's an Arbuthnot? Thanks! - Richfife 17:00, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
 * See the AFD history of for background. Uncle G seems to think my remark was personal, but it was just intended to be comparative. --Dhartung | Talk 19:15, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Got it! Thanks! - Richfife 19:43, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

Verzasca Dam
Are you sure the name of the dam is Contra Dam instead of Verzasca? A Yahoo! search reveals far more hits for Verzasca Dam. (Obviously, that's not dispositive, just informative.) Chicken Wing 22:57, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
 * The Swiss Committee on Dams seems to be a reliable source. The dam is named Le barrage-voute de Contra (the Contra arched dam) and owned by Verzasca SA. I don't think that search hits is the way to determine the official name. --Dhartung | Talk 03:30, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

Heim theory
I'm afraid you were rather stupid to renew the deletion campaign against Heim Theory. You should have read the discussion from the first deletion campaign in 2006 September, and/or the extensive discussion in the HT talk pages. Then it would be apparent that the grounds you gave had NOTHING NEW and thus your action was mischievous and incorrect. You are accordingly receiving a solid trouncing in this campaign and rightly so. --81.210.132.21 14:55, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I did nothing other than create a new page for discussion, in order to properly complete the nomination. I offered no opinion. I do not appreciate the personal attacks you are making. (I assume you logged out in order to make them anonymously. You do know that it's possible to match your username and your IP address, right?) --Dhartung | Talk 17:10, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

Empty idea
Thanks for the support (even weak :-) It proves that some editors aren't totally ignorant of anything, which after my recent experiences, especially with Einstein's theory, I started seriously doubting. Jim 14:17, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, after a while you learn there are some areas in which Wikipedia is just plain weak. Pokemon? Strong. America's Next Top Model? Strong. Philosophy? Beyond some basic areas, not so strong.... I can't argue with consensus, as this is one I won't personally fix the article for. --Dhartung | Talk 21:16, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

kafkanistan comment
hi Dhartung saw your comment on the kafkanistan discussion.. I thought you were absolutly right but they deleted it...guess you were the only one with that opinion Stairsnotsteps
 * Well, it's a nice art project, but without independent sources we can't really have an article on it. (By the way, to make a timestamped signature you should use four tildes ~ . There's a button up top you can use.) --Dhartung | Talk 21:16, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

Hello!
Hello from Milwaukee! --Whsitchy 07:12, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

Greetings
We both voiced our opinions in Articles for deletion/No-hearing hearings.

Your name is familiar to me, but I can't remember where we have interacted before.

If you remember, I would appreciate you filling me in.

Cheers! Geo Swan 01:09, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Other than my sometime editing of Guantanamo articles here (particularly the overdue split of the city/bay/base), I'm not sure where else we've run into each other. Did you mean off Wikipedia as well? --Dhartung | Talk 22:48, 30 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Forgive me, I was worried that we might have had a dispute, one which you remembered, and I didn't.


 * Cheers! Geo Swan 00:03, 31 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Heh. Well, if we did have a dispute, it didn't affect my opinion that you're a dedicated and reliable editor! See you around. --Dhartung | Talk 03:33, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

The Spoils page
Hi there!

I was just wondering why you placed the "Existance" tag on The Spoils.

If it's simply because it's not very well-known, then I'm more than a little amazed, since I thought that this was an encyclopedia, which is supposed to contain everything, or thereabouts. I mean, I can see the use of the Existance tag, especially for vanity pages and pages that are about things that have already been discussed/are truly useless, like pages on the size of toenails or about the spacebar. But for things that are, in fact, unmentioned anywhere on Wiki already, or have a dedicated following, it's not very useful.

If the tag was added because it's a CCG, then I point you to Magic The Gathering. I don't think that this is the reason, however. But I tend to think of every possibility, and voice my beliefs.

I would also like to point out that I'm not disagreeing with your placement of the Sources tag. I'll try clean up the article with other, unbiased sources as soon as possible.

Thanks. - KBKarma. Here and there. Exactly when not needed. 19:00, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

- KBKarma. Here and there. Exactly when not needed. 18:41, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Futher to your helpful post, thanks a lot for the advice.

Articles for deletion/Pow La Don
You commented on this AFD discussion; I just wanted to notify you that I've added the article on the claimed upcoming album for this artist as a bundled nomination after it was brought to my attention. If you wish to modify your AfD comment in response to this change, please feel free to do so. JavaTenor 17:29, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

G33
Hi Dan, you have written the article G33 (industrialized countries). Where do you have the information from? Especially that the Philippines is a member, and not Saudi Arabia as it is written in the external link. --Ephraim33 19:06, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
 * That was a "split" from the other G33 article here. I don't know if there is an official source, anymore. See the history of the other G33 article for where it probably came from. --Dhartung | Talk 21:08, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
 * OK, I have removed the Philippines and added Saudi Arabia (see here). By the way in commons there is a corrected map Image:G33countries.png, with the same name as the map here (Image:G33countries.png). Do you know how to show the commons-map in the article? --Ephraim33 08:00, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

Timmy White deletion
''Notability does not expire, and when did we start reading the minds of article subjects? Perhaps George W. Bush wants his privacy, too. --Dhartung | Talk''

Is that the best argument you can come up with? Who told you he was on the same notability level as George W. Bush? No one even assessed Timmy White's notability? The article was created out of whim. It's people like you who bring Wikpedia down. Fighting for Justice 02:24, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah, well, I'm little upset about the snide way you disagreed with me. "Perhaps George W. Bush wants his privacy, too".  You know very well that White is not as notable as George W. Bush.  Bush is a public individual and he knows it.  Take some of your own advice and assume good faith as well.  Fighting for Justice 06:32, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I have no problems with people disagreeing with me. So long as the person tells it to me in a polite fashion.  You did not.  George W. Bush has nothing to do with keeping or deleting the Timmy White article.  You simply used the statement to take a jab at me.  If you really believed in assuming good faith, you would have said "I disagree with you".  And left it at that.  Fighting for Justice 07:12, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I can see that you believe my analogy was inappropriate or disproportionate. It was, however, merely an analogy. It is you who perceive it as "taking a jab" at you personally. I suggest, once again, that you re-evaluate the thought process that led you to this conclusion. Black and white communication, such as e-mail or web posting, is known to be fraught with this sort of misinterpretation. --Dhartung | Talk 07:33, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

Terminology
Responded on my talk page. User talk:Therefore Thanks!  &#8756; Therefore  talk  07:02, 6 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Response on User talk:Therefore Thanks!  &#8756; Therefore  talk  17:29, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

Broadwater Farm
(Crossposted to assorted "people I've run into and whose opinions I respect")

I realise it's totally outside your field, but if you get the chance could you take a look at the article on Broadwater Farm I've recently created? I do think it deserves it's own article - yes, it might be most famous for events that happened 22 years ago, but having it as a redirect to Broadwater Farm riot seems to me as ludicrous as redirecting Germany to World War II or Northern Ireland to IRA. However, now I've set up incoming links it's likely to be a beacon for POV-pushing, so I'd like to get opinions on (a) what a NPOV will be on something like this where the two POVs are likely to be diametric opposites, (b) whether you think it can/will ever be stable (and whether it's worth trying to keep stable) and (c) how much of a focus ought to be on the riots as opposed to the place itself. If any of you feel the urge I'd also appreciate anyone who feels able/willing putting it on their watchlists, as I suspect it's going to be heavily vandalised & spammed — irides centi   (talk to me!)  00:05, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

Courtesy notification
There is a discussion to merge Nitrium to Nitrium (disambiguation) with redirects to nitrium (German) and nitrium (potash). I am notifying you because you made one edit to the nitrium article. (In some cases, some editors being notified just made grammatical corrections or corrections by AWB)VK35 22:24, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

Mary Pellatt
"her aunt of the same name is notable as a cofounder of the Girl Guides of Canada." That's actually who I was looking for when I came across her. Care to help fill in that missing article? :) Chris 06:16, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Mike Magee quotes you
Hi Dhartung. FYI, journalist Mike Magee quoted your participation at Mike Magee AfD#3 in Magee's article here. -- Jreferee (Talk) 18:41, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

Chicago Landmark WP:FLC
You helped us at WP:CHICOTW create and improve List of Chicago Landmarks. This week we have nominated it at Featured list candidates/List of Chicago Landmarks. Feel free to make comments about its candidacy or to come by and help respond to the comments of others. TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 00:22, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

Manheim Murders
Following up on your suggestion at the AfD, see my comment, & could we get something started? There must be a better way. . DGG 02:09, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

WPChi falling on its face?
I hope you have been following along at Featured_list_candidates. If you have, then you may have noticed that the only drawback that seems to have emerged is the number of redlinks in the list. If you check in at WP:WIAFL this should not be a surprise. There is nothing much else really to complain about, IMO. I have said from the initial CHICOTW nomination. Unfortunately, once we worked on the page we found preponderant redlinks. I have always known this would be a problem and asked for help creating stubs. You may recall I encouraged us to spend an [Wikipedia:WikiProject_Chicago/COTW/History/CLstubification entire extra week creating stubs]. This still fell short of getting the majority of articles linked. I continued to suggest that we attempt to create stubs. This whole effort six weeks ago seems to have brought down WP:CHICOTW. Since this attempt to get people to create redlinks for a budding WP:FL people have stopped participating in the CHICOTW. This week marks the fifth week in a row that there has been no significant editorial contribution during the CHICOTW. I would say I am afraid to lose CHIICOTW support by mentioning this, but since NO ONE has come by to help this week, it could not get any worse. If anyone cares about getting an FL at CHICOTW for our past efforts it might be a good idea to express such concern by creating 5 or so stubs from among the redlinks at List_of_Chicago_Landmarks. Since I have already created about 3 dozen I have mentioned on the discussion that I am standing pat with my contribution to this concern. However, if any of you cares, feel free to make some stubs. The 20 minute stub instructions are still available. If you create any such stubs list them at WikiProject_Chicago so that everyone can help you to clean it up. TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 15:00, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

More help needed
If you have been following along at WP:FLC you know we need help creating stubs for the List to make it a more useful list and help it achieve WP:FLC status. Since I reminded people of this 7 stubs have been created. We need about 40 more to be safe although we may have a successful candidacy with the article as it stands.

Some of you may also be following the success of WP:CHICOTW at WikiProject Chicago/COTW/Good Articles. For the last 4 weeks no one has been very active. Thus, I am fearful that Historic Michigan Boulevard District, Harold Washington Cultural Center, Crown Fountain, & Art Institute of Chicago Building will all fail at WP:GAC when their turns come up. Also, Magnificent Mile did not experience the collaborative spirit. Our reputation as a successful collaboration is at stake. In addition to making stubs for the FLC we need your contribution to our collaborations. I am sorry to pull you away from whatever other wikipleasures you may be experiencing, but we need your help. TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 16:55, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Uriginal
Hello. Please read my opinion at Articles for deletion/Uriginal and you can find the article not pointless. Thank you.--Michael Friedrich 16:26, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

House demolition
Thanks for the feedback. Good point about the "punitive" - I take your implicit point about the ambiguity in the current title. No doubt this will also come up in the forthcoming FA discussion! I'd appreciate your views on the article when I do nominate it for FA - should I leave you a note when the discussion is opened? -- ChrisO 23:46, 29 June 2007 (UTC)