User talk:Dhartung/Archive 6

AfD
Could you re-look my articles up for AfD. And see if what I added might change your mond about deleting them? Callelinea 22:49, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

topfive
you posted a "please provide sources" comment on the Top Five page. I've added a few 3rd party references as a start. How many more are needed to help the page? SpikeJones 01:42, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

AFD and proper referencing
I didn't mean that the AFD never would have been nominated if the referencing had been done properly. I meant that it would have speedily been kept if the central creator of Fireofox had had the refs supporting his notability more visible. There are alot of AFD's to work on out there, and the last thing we need is an excessive lengthening of those which are very cut and dry. VanTucky (talk) 15:29, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Snow in SA
You asked: "Does it snow anywhere in South Africa?" Look at this pic from the Drakensberg article. In South Africa it says that "the high Drakensberg mountains, which form the south-eastern escarpment of the Highveld, offer limited skiing opportunities in winter." So the answer to your question is "Yes." Emeraude 19:21, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Heh, I should have been more sly. I was making a WP:SNOW joke, actually ... --Dhartung | Talk 20:58, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

Nicarico
Nice job expanding the stub. It still looks skimpy on bringing in the references which show it had a widespread and prolonged effect. I think there were newspaper editorials critical of Jim Ryan and Birkett, the prosecutors in DuPage. There is a Scott Turow book in particular which helps to show this is not the average murder case. Edison 15:54, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks. One step at a time, though. I wanted to eliminate BLP issues first, though. --Dhartung | Talk 17:29, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I searched Google and Proquest and added all of the Google sources I found which seem to meet WP:A and most of the Proquest cites on the talk page. There are several where I've noted that they say it is a very important case in relation to the Illinois death penalty reform (the Frisbie book near the beginning). Definitely want to be scrupulous, since one of the prosecutors already sued the Chicago Tribune for libel, and since Dugan is to be tried. This case really seems like a classic example of how what starts as a crime story expands into the questioning the nature of the justice system, effects on state politics, and forensic technology. It is notable for its 23 years of coverage on a variety of fronts rather than for a flurry of stories over a few days. Edison 19:56, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Oh yes, exactly. I lived in Chicago during a good part of the last 25 years and it was a constant other-shoe-dropping situation. I was appalled that one of the State's Attorneys involved became Attorney General (Jim Ryan (politician)) and even more so that it was with widespread endorsement and acclaim. The libel case was very specific (at least as concluded) -- the Tribune made an egregious error in reporting on what happened inside a grand jury. But as long as we attribute the legal situation should not be a problem. And influence seems to be considered national by some. --Dhartung | Talk 20:04, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

good faith assumptions for user:mms
Dear Dan Hartung, I'm trying to tidy up some free software related topics and categories at the moment. An individual who is a kernel hacker is therefore a free software programmer and therefore a computer programmer. I think he should only be listed on the deepest category which fits. Categories which involve the location or other aspects (like »computer programmers in Australia«) are not affected by this consideration (as long as there are no categories like »computer programmers in Queensland«). --mms 07:46, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
 * OK, I'm glad you explained your rationale. Looking at your recent history I was concerned there was removal of categories before prodding which could be interpreted as a way to avoid oversight. I didn't disagree with all your AFDs, you'll note, but I think it's clear that several were overreaching, regardless of article quality. --Dhartung | Talk 07:50, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes, most were overreaching. I was reading all those poor bio-stubs for hours and thought Wikipedia should not have article of this standard. But as explained in the discussion at the AfDs the article itself can be valueable if the subject is notaceable even if its content should be completely rewritten. I came to Wikipedia in 2005 (as a registered user) but I am a novice in those administrative regards. --mms 08:25, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Orphaned non-free image (Image:Panorama logo.gif)
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Barrie D'Rozario Murphy Edits
Hi, I think I may have messed up some of your additions to the Barrie D'Rozario Murphy entry. I was trying to add the New York Times source and it looks like I messed up something you may have added. Sorry -- I'm still new and not quite sure how to fix it.

Thanks. Dmdaily10 15:54, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

Editing Request
Hi, there-

I've been diligently working on my page (Margolis Brown Adaptors Company) and since you made some comments earlier, I would like to have your input and -if it's acceptable- your vote for it's survival or any advice you may have to improve it. Thanks!

Zena0727 19:04, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

Thank you / Compliment
Just dropping by to issue an unsolicited thank you for your comment here:. Not that you voted for delete, that's immaterial, but that you were educational in doing so. As a newer editor, I found your comment highly informative. In any event, I know it's a small thing, but made for great education for me. Cheers!  Douglasmtaylor  T / C  21:52, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

James Solomon
I noticed your attempt to move the article in question to a better location; the user who moved it back (Mikkalai) seems to have a vendetta against me merely because I nominated it for deletion (which I have withdrawn). They've also undone some of my various Copy to Wiktionary tags on other articles. Just a heads up in case you have more trouble putting the article in the right place.Ravenmasterq 07:22, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

Sessions BLPC/AfD
If all your where asking for was an administrator to look at it, you're right, I'd have no problem with this. But you state in the notice: "Questionable unsourced material about living persons should be deleted. Anyone can do this." and given this pages history of recent deletion vandalism, that is what I object to. Lets see how it goes, but I see little basis for what you are are asking for, most on the AfD page also don't, AFAIAC, it is redundant. 64.179.49.62

Additional comments based on the AfD entry:

I'm certain I am not as well versed as you in the ways of the Wiki, but based on your comment on the articles discussion page "I make no judgement because I know too little about the subject" was why I asked you to look at the citations and newspaper stories, instead of judging them because they looked negative (which frankly, they are, yet they are fact). If anything, instead of alerting the admin, perhaps you could add to the article to balance it out relative to the criminal charges and plea deal. Asking for an article or portions of article to be deleted simply because you do not like them is not grounds for either a AfD or BLP. In any case, you've got your BLP, hopefully the admin will see the same thing most everyone here does. 64.179.49.62 19:58, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

list of baseball-related deletions
Noticed your vote earlier. There are other Afd debates there, where minor leaguers are nominated for deletion.--Truest blue 23:21, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

Emo (slang) Suggested Move
Hi.

There is currently a discussion at Talk:Emo (slang) reagarding a suggested move to Emo subculture. In an effort to generate a greater consensus, I am attempting to contact any user involved in similar discussions previously on the article's talk page.

The great whale commands it... --ZayZayEM 06:51, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

Albert Hall, Llandrindod Wells
You added a "+importance" tag to this article. I don't understand your reasons. The article makes several claims to notability, eg -
 * period Victorian building retaining most of its original features.
 * hosts a notable drama festival, attracting acts from across the UK. It is a winner-of-winners type of festival, with most acts having won something else to get there, although the article doesnt state that.
 * hosts Victorian-themed events during Llandrindod's Victorian festival.
 * hosts a weekly Music Hall through the summer each year. This is one of only a few Music Hall productions in the UK, although the article doesn't state that.

I would appreciate elaboration on your reasons for adding this tag; and whether you would remove the tag if the extra information suggested here is added to it. Bards 11:41, 5 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Those are all sort of vague and none of them has sources. Notability isn't just being a nice old building (I'd love to do articles on all the nice old buildings in my city), it's being e.g. "one of the best surviving examples of its style in Wales" (hypothetical quote). Is it a listed building? Is it a named landmark? If the festival it holds is notable, we should have an article; if it isn't, holding the festival isn't a real claim to notability. These are all nice things, but they don't really satisfy WP:N. A quick Google shows that there are sources for a better article, I suggest you bring some of them in as citations (and read our notability guidelines). --Dhartung | Talk 11:49, 5 August 2007 (UTC)


 * A lot of wikipedians are doing just that: writing articles on all the nice old buildings in their town, eg. see Category:Buildings_and_structures_in_Cardiff. If you have a problem with our nice little theatre, you'd better stick tags on 10s of 1000s of others. I think you are interpreting WP:N way too harshly. However, if I have time I will try to find a few references, and pin down the facts better. Bards 16:35, 6 August 2007 (UTC)


 * "Sticking a tag" is not a punishment. I did not nominate your article for deletion. I put the tag on it because without any references it violates our core policy of verifiability and reliable sourcing. No article without sources or verification belongs on Wikipedia, and claims of notability should be attributed. --Dhartung | Talk 14:44, 7 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Thank you, I can see your reasons now. Hopefully, the tag will also attract contributions and sources from other people aswell. Bards

Notification of discussion: Guideline/policy governing lists
Given your extensive Wikipedia experience, I'd appreciate your input on the following:

User:Sidatio/Conversations/On list guidelines

Thank you in advance for any thoughts you may have on the topic. Sidatio 01:36, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Chicago Meetup
I hope the time and place for the Chicago Meetup are convenient. Your reply would be appreciated.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 19:27, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

International Criminal Tribunal
I suggest you take the out of process close to DRV. I'll be there. do you want the content? DGG (talk) 21:33, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Nah, I'm way too busy to carry this torch. I was kinda hoping somebody else might, but my reaction is more meh than anything. --Dhartung | Talk 01:38, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

Opinion on new UBC/Bush nazi dealings articles
Hello. I have restarted the article on Union Banking Corporation using only primary sources (newspapers of record, government documents, etc.) as starting points. The non-primary sources in the previous version of this article (and the Prescott Bush article) are not reliable and poorly researched, in general. I hope you can weigh in on the talk pages and make suggestions. Loclaro 02:14, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Your opinion?
What do you think of the current debate about images at musical theatre? Best regards, -- Ssilvers 22:03, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Gold Star Chili
Hi, just to explain why the AfD that you just commented on has disappeared! I have agreed to a request from User:youngamerican to withdraw the AfD for a week to allow time for sourcing. TerriersFan 20:16, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Placeholder images
You were involved in the discussion of the "no free image" placeholders. Can you comment here? — Omegatron 08:14, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

Have you got Prince Albert in a can?
Good job on the move/rewrite. Funny timing on the comments :) ɑʀкʏɑɴ 22:33, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

Ben Domenech
I am going to nominate this article, which you started, for deletion since the subject is not notable. Sorry. Steve Dufour 02:51, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

ratsnraB

 * !sknahT .em ot snaem siht hcum woh aedi evah uoY !ratsnraB tsrif ym yllautca si siht ,sreay eerht tsomla aidepikiW gnitide neeb evah I hguoht nevE --Dhartung | Talk 18:22, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

Deletion review
I urge you to think again about the implications of saying that A7 means no actual notability, rather than no claim to notability. Every admin on WP has a different idea of what amounts to actual notability for people, and we'd have chaos. DGG (talk) 15:32, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Unicode characters
Thank you for your insightful comment at Articles for deletion/Circle of commas—I had wondered why the HTML character reference (&amp;#1161;) did not reverse text direction, but why other uses of the character did. There is another article with a similar name, in which you might be interested. I had redirected it to Unicode control characters (consensus seemed to be in favor of doing that), and in review, the last non-redirect revision of the article seems to be wrong. Grace notes T § 04:00, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/Kevin Eggan
Apologies, the reason was fairly long - it took some typing. I decided to create the page first, and then edit it. Congrats on being quick off the mark! :) FT2 (Talk 10:08, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

Edward Budgen
Thank you most kindly for telling my of the prod. His page is on my to do list. Obina 19:32, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

Kauffman Center for the Performing Arts
Hello--You added advertisement and copy editing tags to the Kauffman Center for the Performing Arts article; however, you did not contribute suggestions to the article's discussion page as to what content feels like an ad nor what copy edits are required. Could you provide comments either to this posting or in the article's discussion page as to what you would like changed for these tags to be removed?--P Todd 19:23, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

Apollo 11 Launch Image
Did you ever get ahold of NASA to try and find a better quality version of that image? Bullzeye (Ring for Service) 03:45, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I contacted them through their public affairs office, but they have not yet replied. I will probably have to try social engineering to find out who may be a good direct contact. I love that shot; I'll keep trying! --Dhartung | Talk 03:50, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks a lot. I liked that shot, too, and if we can find a version of it that addresses the quality issues, I see no reason why it couldn't make FP. The "We don't need American patriotic images" crowd is another story; I feel that's a spurious, ethnocentric and illegitimate version of WP:IDONTLIKEIT and would happy press the matter to a RfC if necessary. Bullzeye (Ring for Service) 18:22, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Discussion in Tony Pierce AfD
Carlton was repsonding to some added information about the different Tony Pierce AfDs (the GNAA initated them). I deleted that content hoping Carlton would delete his response, but so far he hasn't. I delted the extranious information (Calton had a point) and went ahead and deleted all responses. --Oakshade 03:51, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I have no objection. --Dhartung | Talk 03:55, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Emo_(slang) move
Hi, I saw you participated in this discussion on whether the article should be removed. Now we are discussing whether it should be moved. The discussion is mostly me and one other editor, and I think we are hitting deadlock time and again. I am not asking you to informally mediate, but another opion would be nice.

Afd Noel Gray
Hello and thank you for your contribution. May I, respectfully, comment upon the links which you cited as "Notable" and "Role". To the former, the 'Powerhouse Museum' site where the 2nd and 3rd references cited are from Christopher Gray; Noel's son. The link "Role", the text on the Univ. Melb site, was frozen several years in order that the editors were freed from constant harassment by C Gray. I was closely involved in the development of the Telectronics company, and a good friend of the late Noel Gray. Sadly, some 13 years after Noel's resignation from the company, he and son Chris elected to rewrite history in a private publication " Telectronics - The Early Years". Certainly, Noel's contribution in co-founding and funding the initial years of Telectronics is worthy of recognition by way of a Wikipedia article; the problem is that while I and several others who have the necessary knowledge, and can maintain a NPOV, our close association could be grounds for dispute. All the best QRS 05:30, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Personal thanks
Thanks again Dhartung for your comment on the Yuniti article deletion, I really appreciate it. I was getting very frustrated with the other editors' wishy-washy reasons, none of which were listed on any of the wikipedia policies (alexa page rankings? that was a shocker). I really do appreciate your straight to the point reasoning, and more concise explanation of the generic wikipedia policies. Your reasoning was clear and to the point, and neutralized my frustration. Thanks, and take care. -Marquinho 04:50, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
 * You're very welcome, Marquinho, and thank you for trying to understand our policies and guidelines better. --Dhartung | Talk 04:52, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Adminship (2)?
Thanks for this merge; I would have done this myself, but I was already on the way home. Out of curiosity, how come that you have never (AFAICT) run for adminship? Glancing over your interests, ton of contribs, Kate's tool etc you seem like a perfect candidate. Granted, I don't know you well, apart from remembering your username from around. Checking your talk archives, I see only the tariqabjotu's (unanswered?) proposal from about a year ago. Duja ► 11:09, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
 * You're welcome! It was no problem at all. As for the second part, you've got me -- I've never run, though I've been asked (more than once) to date. Call it partly an aversion to politics, and partly I'm insisting I want to get around to changing my username to something less obviously "me" before I run, but I've been too busy to go through the actual process. --Dhartung | Talk 18:06, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bitterside
An editor has asked for a deletion review of Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bitterside. Since you closed the deletion discussion for this article or speedy-deleted it, you might want to participate in the deletion review.  Jreferee  (Talk) 21:04, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Yuri Landman
Hello, I've read your comment on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Log/2007_September_18#Yuri_Landman.

Can you reconsider your opinion about credible and independent sources? I've specified 5 sources for you:
 * 1) The Dutch Rock & Pop Institute
 * 2) www.lambiek.net is the biggest online bio-library about European comic artists.
 * 3) When you type electric guitar magazine on google, the 7th hit is modernguitars.com
 * 4) Oddmusic.com is together with Experimental musical instruments (magazine) the most reliable and famous source about experimental musical instrument (typ this in Google and you'll see they are hit 1 and 2).
 * 5) Spunk.nl and it's related newspaper NRC Handelsblad

Merging Moonlander is, to my opinion not a very good idea, because the instrument is made by me and not by Lee. Merging it with Yuri Landman is also not a good idea, because the text is about the guitar and not about me. The reason why I started a separate topic about Moonlander, is because it is a different musical instrument and not just a custom built guitar like Brian Mays instrument. I wanted to explain how it exactly works.

I understand the COI-problems and I no longer add info except refs and sources and actual facts on these topics. Most of the time I only start topics (which is a COI, yes), but I never revert when I get too enthousiastic, hopefully this will satisfy you a bit. I think people learn something from my contributions.

Best wishes, YuriLandman 20:07, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

Deletion review review
Might I ask you to see what's been written (and linked from) here after you left your "yes, keep deleted" vote, and to reconsider it? Thanks for considering to reconsider, anyway. -- Hoary 10:04, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

May the force be with you. ..
Hilarious.  Into The Fray  T / C  03:37, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

Eisenberg Uncertainty Principle
Great. Maybe we can creat a WP:EUP! -- Kleinzach 10:31, 25 September 2007 (UTC)