User talk:Dhrh

January 2009
Please stop. If you continue to violate Wikipedia's neutral point of view policy by adding commentary and your personal analysis into articles, you will be blocked from editing Wikipedia. ''Klakky, while the Twelver group is major, to use the term mainstream is usually breaking WP:NPOV. However, if you can find a secular source that uses the term mainstream in this context, I think it should be fine. However, in most cases, referring to any group (such as Sunnis as mainstream or Catholics as mainstream) is breaking WP:NPOV when they make up significant minorities. Like only 85-90% of Muslims are Sunni, only 90% of Shi'a are Twelver, and even only a little over the majority are Usuli, with smaller groups like malaangs, Alevis, and Alawis making up a large section when added together.'' ♥  pashtun ismailiyya  19:59, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

Umar at Fatimah's house
I am still unsure how we should approach Umar at Fatimah's house. To be honest, we should make the Sunni opinion the minority in this article, but we won't state that the event is an outright fact. See, in the article on reincarnation, you don't have every damn paragraph saying how Christians and Muslims think the idea is false. Unfortunately Sunni editors have insisted on doing that with this article, but that is breaking WP:UNDUE, so, if you want to edit/rewrite by yourself what you should do is just write it from a Shi'a perspective and make a small section basically saying, "Sunnis dispute the event." No point giving them 50-80% of the article, when the average Sunni scholar has never even heard of the event in their life. -- ♥ pashtun ismailiyya  07:05, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Tell me what you think, and add anything you can that you can source. -- ♥ pashtun ismailiyya  08:08, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
 * On Wikipedia we're only supposed to use contemporary secular sources WP:RS. Contemporary is really important for topics on Islam because of the issues of orientalism that plagued old writings. If we use old sources to make a point that's breaking WP:OR, where we try to prove the event is unanimous in Sunni sources. I won't take out your information, however, but I think it'd be better if we tried to make it more encyclopedic. Recently a Sunni was trying to use old orientalist and Sunni and Shi'a (Akhbari) scholastics to prove that Abdullah ibn Saba existed and created Shi'a Islam, and not only kept trying to change the article, but tried to put it on the article on Shi'a Islam. I had to revert him constantly on Shi'a Islam and then finally purged Abdullah ibn Saba of all the orientalist, old Sunni, and old Shi'a sources, because they didn't meet WP:RS, and because those sources can easily be abused to create a false impression. I think we can do a better job without these sources, so it might be best if you took them out yourself, and tell me if you want to prove something else using reliable sources, for example, finding a source that says that the event is recorded in Sunni books as well. -- ♥ pashtun ismailiyya  22:57, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
 * In case I have to start coming on less, put Template:Fatimah on your watchlist and make sure no one takes out Fatimah's house. Recently we've been having vandalism deleting negative views of the first three caliphates, as well as the event of Fatimah's house on the articles Fatimah and Uthman ibn Affan. May want to watchlist those too. -- ♥ pashtun ismailiyya  08:14, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Also, start trimming the Sunni view from Shi'a articles, I will too. There is no reason to have a Buddhist view on the Last Supper, let alone a Sunni view on every Shi'a doctrine and Imam. Muhammad al-Mahdi is an example of this, but I'd prefer an entire rewrite than just purging information for now on that article. -- ♥ pashtun ismailiyya  08:17, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't understand what's absurd; that someone is implying he learned from Anas ibn Malik? That doesn't contradict him learning from as-Sadiq, or is there something else that is wrong? -- ♥ pashtun ismailiyya  06:08, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
 * It's not too farfetched, Ahmad ibn Hanbal was learning hadith before he was ten too. Not to speak of our Imams, though I know it's a different story, for most Sunnis, it must be amazing to hear Jafar as-Sadiq who was younger than Abu Hanifa, taught him. I think Sunnis probably have tried using this to deny that Abu Hanifa was a student of as-Sadiq. -- ♥ pashtun ismailiyya  21:04, 22 January 2009 (UTC)