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I uploaded the Jody Watley pic from Vogue
Also -- some of your edits are actually affecting the article itself. You're supposed to sign your posts on the talk section -- not in the actual article. (Mirror Ball 19:15, 30 July 2008 (UTC))

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 * [[Image:Information.svg|25px]] Please refrain from making unconstructive edits to Wikipedia. Your edits appear to constitute vandalism and have been reverted. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. --Mhking (talk) 05:44, 28 February 2009 (UTC)


 * [[Image:Nuvola apps important.svg|25px]] Please stop your disruptive editing. If you continue to vandalize Wikipedia, you will be blocked from editing.  --Mhking (talk) 19:03, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

Respectfully, having read the guidelines, I'm unsure why my changes are cited as vandalism and reverted. I replaced the very ambiguous 'label owner' in the header, and replaced it with the actual name of her company, which should be notable. I provided the link to the company website as a source. Examples: Sean Combs isn't just a label owner, rather noted owner of Bad Boy. Berry Gordy isn't listed as just a label owner, he is noted as the founder and CEO of Motown, etc.I was simply trying to distinguish the fact, rather than the generic 'label owner'. Avitone has in fact released her music since 1995, Affection, Saturday Night Experience, Midnight Lounge. The Makeover, and numerous singles - including her last three top tens. Please explain why naming her label is seen as vandalism and disruptive? I will start here before dealing with the other issues.Thank You. User:DiamondsandPearls(talk:Diamondsandpearls)--Diamondsandpearls (talk) 05:01, 4 March 2009 (UTC) --Diamondsandpearls (talk) 05:01, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

Minor Edit. Avitone Recordings
Respectfully, having read the guidelines, I'm unsure why my changes are cited as vandalism and reverted. I replaced the very ambiguous 'label owner' in the header, and replaced it with the actual name of her company, which should be notable. I provided the link to the company website as a source. Examples: Sean Combs isn't just a label owner, rather noted owner of Bad Boy. Berry Gordy isn't listed as just a label owner, he is noted as the founder and CEO of Motown, etc.I was simply trying to distinguish the fact, rather than the generic 'label owner'. Avitone has in fact released her music since 1995, Affection, Saturday Night Experience, Midnight Lounge. The Makeover, and numerous singles - including her last three top tens. Please explain why naming her label is seen as vandalism and disruptive? I will start here before dealing with the other other edits.Thank You. User:DiamondsandPearls(talk:Diamondsandpearls)--Diamondsandpearls (talk) --Diamondsandpearls (talk) 02:16, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

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My company is copyright owner of photo's, and we have uploaded photo's to enhance article.--Diamondsandpearls (talk) 06:33, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

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Jody Watley & sister
In looking into this, several notable sources (including Blender magazine) have noted Watley's porn star sister, while other sources say she does not speak to or about her sister. If anything, I'd suggest that notation in the article would qualify; barring that, an official bio (and no, one on her MySpace page would NOT qualify, as there is no confirmation that the MySpace page is truly official and not a fabrication in and of itself) or statement from Watley itself would be the best source of what is true one way or another. Conversely, a similar official statement/bio from her sister (if indeed she is her sister) would suffice. --Mhking (talk) 03:18, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

Apologies. You missed my point. My point is not with the subject of whether or not she is the sister or not, that's really a secondary issue. Other people seemed stuck on that point. That is not my issue..

My issue is in relation to the relevance to the article with regard to Shalamar, where one learns of this. What is the relevance to The Shalamar Years (1977-1984)?

Was Michelle/Midori doing adult films these years, while Watley was launching her career in the group? I deleted the info from the 'Shalamar Years 1977-1984)  section, and simply placed it where it was at least in some context. It was reverted.

If you read the article, it appears totally out of context to the the subject, arbitrarily placed.

Where is the source that these films were also occurring in 1977-1984?

If there is no context, and no highly regarded source according to Wikipedia it should be removed. Blender Magazine wasn't even around in 1977-1984.Blender Magazine, was first published in 1994. In addition, if Blender printed the information, they could have simply gotten it from Wikipedia. With all due respect it is debatable if Blender would be considered notable source. As well, it would be impossible for them to have printed anything in 1977-1984 because the magazine didn't even exist.

This is not me trying to do a is she or isn't she - it's all irrelevant as far as I'm concerned. How does it relate the The Shalamar Years - other than someone deciding that the subject matter related to 'porn' should appear, regardless of how out of context it is. That is my issue.

Why for instance wouldn't this appear in the article at whatever point Watley was in her creative career? If it's a must for a very limited group people.

Once again, I'm not a part of the if Michelle/Midori is her sister or not. I tried to be clear about this, but it's the only thing you replied to, and nowhere in my comments do I recall challenging if she is her sister or not. I simply stated, she isn't mentioned in the Jody Watley 'Bio In My Own Words'. I am trying to improve the article, with regard to the artist career, which is what a bio is supposed to be about - not to do family tree investigations.

In terms of the whether or not the Myspace Page is Jody Watley, clearly it is - it's 'Official Jody Watley', with personal photo's, behind the scenes video's, blogs and links to her record label, publicist, booking, etc. She also makes reference to Wiki editors in giving references/sources to her bio, it's doubtful someone other the artist would go to such lengths. I would add, I know for a fact her page is not a fabrication, and if required I could certainly give verification that the page is that of Jody Watley. Do you need a notarized letter, a video post declaring the page is indeed her page? Respectfully asking.

In addition, if you are going to imply the 'Jody Watley Official Myspace Page" could be a fabrication, why have you (not you personally, rather Wiki) listed the Michelle Watley Page as a reference - when there is no information on that there which indicates she was doing pornography in 1977 - 1984 nor do I see anything that says they are sisters. I'm sure there must be a great number of people who share the same last name in the world - but once again, I am not focused on is she is or isn't she a sister or not. But since you mentioned it, how do you know that page actually belongs to Michelle Watley/Midori or not? How do you know that page isn't a fabrication?  Is there a different standard?

Lastly, why am I not allowed to change the language from 'porn' to 'adult', as it's and in line with the mainstream?

Why not simply move an improved sentence to later in the article?

For instance if Michelle/Midori started doing adult films in the 90's or 00's (?) - wouldn't it appear later in the article in that context?

Example: Reportedly known to have a sister named Michelle who adopted the professional name of 'Midori' in ( list year she assumed the name with source/reference), who went on to star in adult films during this time... or something to that effect. Though it would still be completely out of context to Watley's music career, at least it wouldn't be so arbitrary.

Lastly, I still don't understand why this isn't left to the 'Personal Life', in the first place with a highly regarded citation for people who want to know about her family.

Those are my numerous questions. Not if she is her sister or not. Thank You.--Diamondsandpearls (talk) 01:55, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

Avitone Recordings Reversion of Page.
The information I added was deleted and replaced by a less effective sentence without reference regarding what Watley said at the launch of Avitone. You can't psot she was quoted as saying something and not provide the source, link or reference of the article of the actual quote. That's why I removed it and replaced it with a quote and a link - but it has been reverted. Where is the source where she made the quote about what the intent of her label was to be? I am looking for the an additional article with quote and reference from Billboard Magazine, because not unlike Prince's NPG, Aimee Manns Superego, or even The Beatles Apple - all which served primarily as a vehicle for their music. --Diamondsandpearls (talk) 01:11, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

Avitone Recordings is an independent record label formed by singer/songwriter Jody Watley in 1995, established after Watley departed ways with MCA Records. The singer is said to have formed the label as a vehicle to support her own musical evolution outside of the major label system. Watley's fifth studio album, 1995s Affection, was the labels first release.

Upon Avitone's launch, Jody was quoted saying that she looked forward to using the label to establish new artists. To date, however, the only releases to come from Avitone have been Watley's own material.

The sentence "Jody was quoted as saying the she looked forward to using the label to establish new artists." Is misleading and in fact not what she was quoted saying according to our records.

In one of the first major articles upon forming Avitone was with the respected Billboard Magazine.

According to Billboard Magazine June 24, 1995 in the 'The Rhythm and Blues Column written by J.R. Reynolds', excerpt and headline: "Watley Takes Control of Own Destiny With New Album on Her Avitone Label." Do-It-Yourself Success: After forming Avitone Records last October for her own recordings veteran vocalist Jody Watley says she is in a better position to determine the destiny of her upcoming album "Affection" due July 11. This is consistent with her quote with the announcement regarding ADA

The Billboard article article goes on to say: Watley chose Bellmark to distribute Avitone based on label president Al Bell's reputaton as a creative marketer since she says "The company's success with The Artist Formerly Known as Prince's "The Most Beautiful Girl In The World".

There appears to be no early mention of her intent, beyond a vehicle for her musical growth.

This information was also removed though relevant to the history of the label and why she chose this distributor initially. Much the same as the notation of the Prince dispute with Warner Brothers at the time. The extra detail provides relevant insight - in as much as both artists continue to work in the new paradigms in the music business and started doing so in the 90's.

Avitone Label History.
Note should be made that referring to the label as 'dormant' is a matter of opinion. Avitone was licensing music, not dormant. Simply because a company isn't always releasing high profile releases or product, does not mean it's dormant if you know anything about business. The term "reactivated" is also seems more opinion than actual fact. Where is the reference that the label was "reactivated"? It seems someone is editing this article who really isn't clear on the business model. This type of editing does not add to the article.--Diamondsandpearls (talk) 01:17, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

Shalamar
As Jody Watley has her own article, I am at a loss to understand why details of her own career need to appear in the Shalamar article. This appears to be duplication and overkill. The other group members do not have similar solo career description there; nor should they, as they have their own individual articles. Also 'influential and trendsetting solo career' smacks of POV. Care to re-consider ?

Derek R Bullamore (talk) 19:03, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

The other members don't have similar descriptions because they have not had the same broad post Shalamar careers. There is a clear distinction to be made here. The additions to the article were minimal recognizing that Jody Watley does have her own in depth sourced and referenced article. I might add her article begins with a Shalamar section, although other members such as Howard Hewett and Jeffrey Daniel do not. All facts including "influential and trendsetting solo career" are referenced and sourced in the article and not of opinion. It is in the context of article. If too many additional facts have been added, I will trim however, I disagree with your argument. --Diamondsandpearls (talk) 19:27, 20 October 2011 (UTC)


 * With respect, whether the other members did, or did not, is not relevant to my argument, nor largely to the Shalamar article. The Shalamar article should be predominately about the group. Watley has her own article where details of her career / life should be listed. It is your opinion that the additions are minimal, but if it slews the Shalamar article towards that member's own achievements, then it is contrary to WP:UNDUE.


 * The "influential" phrase is not directly referenced, is an opinion, and in contravention of Manual of Style/Words to watch. If it comes from one source, that source needs to be specified. The reader should be left to determine her influence based on the facts presented (in her own article).


 * Derek R Bullamore (talk) 20:16, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

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Shalamar
Please could you stop vandalizing the Shalamar article.

For the record, Jody Watley's dubious claim to own the Shalamar name is being tested by lawyers right now and it's not looking good for her. And I am Jody Wallace, not Jody Watley so please stop confusing me with her.

Thank you

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