User talk:Diannaa/Archive 85

User talk:Fathertyme74
You might want to take a look at this editor. They created the page Henderson Roll – Cherokee Census of 1835 on Oct 1, which was speedy deleted on 11/1 as a copyvio. Then on 11/2, they created 1835 Henderson Roll, the exact same subject. And again it's a copyvio. I'm not sure they're getting it.  Onel 5969  TT me 13:42, 3 November 2022 (UTC)


 * I've given them a final warning. Thanks — Diannaa (talk) 13:48, 3 November 2022 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!
Thanks for the barnstar! — Diannaa (talk) 22:03, 4 November 2022 (UTC)

T. N. Srikantaiah
Hi Diannaa. This is regarding Wikipedia page on T. N. Srikantaiah. I believe several Copyright violations have been flagged up on this page. I must confess my ignorance on several of these issues and hence would like to make it clear that I did not import those sentences from the contested source in a deliberate and malevolent manner. It was a genuine mistake. Nonetheless, as per your advice I have begun work on the temporary page (from scratch). However, I have decided to retain the opening paragraph and infobox from the previous iteration as these were without any conflict of interest (please correct me if I am mistaken). Also, please continue to keep an eye on the temp page and offer suitable advise/ suggestions from time to time till you feel it is good enough to be merged as the sole page on T. N. Srikantaiah.

He was and remains a much revered and well read writer in the Indian state of Karnataka - a writer of considerable intellectual prowess and creativity. Hope we can work on this new temp page together. Cheers.

Bugs2beatlesBugs2beatles 07:47, 5 November 2022 (UTC)
 * I have finished the edits since it was very nearly ready. Unfortunately we will not be able to keep the photos you uploaded to the Commons. They are not your own work. I have transferred the portrait to this wiki and templated it for fair use so that one can be kept. — Diannaa (talk) 13:02, 5 November 2022 (UTC)
 * The website www.srikanta-sastri.org is managed by the family members of Dr. S. Srikanta Sastri (historian). The family members who are running this website are well known to me personally. We as a team have been collecting and collating these archival photographs of numerous personalities. Since your over-zealous and hasty deletions came forth, I have been in communication with the immediate family members. They were kind enough to share this link on their website where they state unequivocally that they are setting free all content on their site (unless otherwise specified) under the Creative Commons License. Furthermore, for every dispute that Wikipedia Editors may raise about content sourced from the above website, they are happy to send (by email) a letter under their letter head clarifying their position. I once more re-iterate there is no Copyright violation. You have further more taken the trouble to warn others to 'police' all of my other uploads! I must insist that I am not in the business of plagiarising content willy nilly. We are respectable people doing good respectable work (with zero anticipation of any remuneration or fame). Kindly see reason in our statement and re-instate the photograph(s).Bugs2beatles Bugs2beatles 07:25, 8 November 2022 (UTC)
 * The photos are at the Commons, and have not at this time been deleted, only nominated for deletion. I see that you have already posted there, so that's good. If they detect that I am incorrect, nothing will be deleted. I am not an admin on the Commons and cannot delete any files hosted there. — Diannaa (talk) 14:22, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

Concerning my deleted draft you deleted Draft:2019–2020 Iran–United States conflict
Hello. I am Mausebru. You appear to have deleted a draft of mine. Please undelete it. The draft was not an inclusion to the rule you put. Mausebru the Peruvian (talk, contibs) 22:34, 5 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Also concerning this topic, please reinstate this draftMausebru the Peruvian (talk, contibs) 22:37, 5 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I can't restore the draft, as it was largely the same as the deleted article 2019–2021 Persian Gulf crisis, which was deleted as the result of a deletion discussion (Articles for deletion/2019–2021 Persian Gulf crisis). It's a violation of our Creative Commons license to copy content from other articles without attribution. There's no way to properly provide attribution to a deleted article, so I had to delete your draft.Regarding your other deleted draft, please ask the admin who deleted it. I think you got the title wrong though — Diannaa (talk) 22:44, 5 November 2022 (UTC)

It was a mistake. Can you please reinstate and I'll put attribution in the AfC bar on top. Plus it was a partial, and the events were conjoined, unlike the dump the other page became Mausebru the Peruvian (talk, contibs) 22:56, 5 November 2022 (UTC)


 * Sorry, that's not how attribution is done. — Diannaa (talk) 22:59, 5 November 2022 (UTC)


 * Please how can I have it reinstated?Mausebru the Peruvian (talk, contibs) 23:01, 5 November 2022 (UTC)
 * It's pointless to recreate it. A very similar article was deleted in September for very good reasons. So your draft is highly unlikely to ever be acceptable for publication either. Besides, I can't reinstate it, because of the attribution and licensing issue. — Diannaa (talk) 23:05, 5 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Please just do it, I worked hard on it. Just so I can copy the source.Mausebru the Peruvian (talk, contibs) 23:06, 5 November 2022 (UTC)

Calyx AI
okay sure will take care going forward.Fostera12 (talk) 06:09, 6 November 2022 (UTC)

Camas Prairie, Montana, Issues
As requested, I am rewriting the text to Camas Prairie, Montana, in your special talk page Talk:Camas prairie/Temp. Also, I have posted a note to the talk section of Camas Prairie article.

Is what I have done satisfactory?

Is there anything that I have missed?

I apologize for my carelessness. Paul H. (talk) 20:25, 6 November 2022 (UTC)


 * I will check it in the morning. — Diannaa (talk) 03:13, 7 November 2022 (UTC)


 * I have a draft of the article finished at Talk:Camas prairie/Temp. Any suggestions.
 * The new version looks okay. I will move it into position in a minute here. Thanks for taking the time to do that. — Diannaa (talk) 21:20, 7 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Ready for you to check. — Diannaa (talk) 21:27, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

Grimshaw Guitars
Hi Diannaa, I was reviewing Grimshaw Guitars and a couple of paragraphs look to be copy and pasted. Could you take a look please? Regards. Hughesdarren (talk) 11:12, 7 November 2022 (UTC)
 * There were two large quotations, which I havew removed. — Diannaa (talk) 11:42, 7 November 2022 (UTC)
 * I saw that too but it seemed a bit much. Cheers and thanks for cleaning it up. All the best Hughesdarren (talk) 12:04, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

Category:San Marino politics-related lists
Hello Diannaa. I intend to create the category Category:San Marino politics-related lists. As I attempted to do so, I noticed the alert that this page has been previously deleted and it recommended contacting the user who deleted it. So doing that now.

The category will be populated by at least six pages, mostly from Category:San Marino-related lists, and its parent categories will be similar to those at Category:Monaco politics-related lists. May I proceed with creation? Other than it was empty (C1) were there any issues with the category I should be aware? -- DB 1729 talk 15:52, 8 November 2022 (UTC)


 * I don't see any issues with re-creatin g the category. It was deleted 7 years ago as it was an empty cat. — Diannaa (talk) 19:49, 8 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Cool. Thanks. DB 1729 talk 20:16, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

Upgraded functionality at Template:Uw-copyright-new
Hi, Diannaa, I thought you might like to know that Template:Uw-copyright-new has been upgraded to add new, optional styling capability. You can now bold a bullet item, or individual text in the message, in order to customize it for the user whose UTP you place it on. See the doc page for details; the section will make it clear at a glance. Thanks, Mathglot (talk) 23:46, 8 November 2022 (UTC)


 * Thanks. — Diannaa (talk) 01:27, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

Copyvio
Hi, and hope you're well. We've a user who seems to have difficulty following the most basic rules, and has recently performed a copy and paste into our article Agathodaemon of an article published in Academia.edu I guess that makes it doubly dubious! I've warned the user but of course the copyvio remains in the history. Your help much appreciated, as ever. Haploidavey (talk) 15:22, 10 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Done. Thank you for the report. — Diannaa (talk) 15:30, 10 November 2022 (UTC)

Bronze age edits
Hi, do you have any insight about this - multi-kilobyte additions of fully-formed wikitext? Is it all legit? Elizium23 (talk) 15:51, 12 November 2022 (UTC)


 * A lot of the citations are to Millek. Possible refspam — Diannaa (talk) 16:03, 12 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Hi, this is all legit research. The only reason why I have cited Millek so much is because he has written a bunch of papers and a book on the end of the LBA. He has made most of his papers available and you can check them out yourself. TheLateBronzeAge (talk) 19:01, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

Unjust accusation of copyright infringement
Your accusation of Copyright infringement on my Talk page regarding my recent edits of the Debbie Wiseman article is totally unjust and indefensible. If you review my contribution history, I have only just begun to reorganise the text in chronological order and then group them by Year. I also added more citations to help improve verification. I consider your post on my Talk page an act of aggression. Your kind of behaviour makes editing on Wikipedia UNSAFE. You should review your evidence base before making your accusations. I would like to talk this through with you properly; otherwise, your behaviour needs to be reported. CelloSong (talk) 06:07, 15 November 2022 (UTC)


 * Content you added to the article was copied from the subject's website. Please don't add copyright meterial to Wikipedia. — Diannaa (talk) 15:12, 15 November 2022 (UTC)
 * I just told you that I added sub-headings and citations. You did not even review what you did wrong. You need to look at the contributions prior to mine before accusing me of plagiarism. You are hurting another editor whose intentions have only been good. I am reporting your misuse of Administrative power to Administrative action review because I believe that your conduct could seriously hurt other editors. CelloSong (talk) 19:51, 15 November 2022 (UTC)
 * I believe what @CelloSong is saying, is that the infringing text, which you removed, pre-existed their edit. It is present in this version of the article, which is the last version before their edit.  They did not add the copyvio - it was already there.  The revisions that you revdeleted are not the only ones that need to be revdeleted - assuming that it is actually a copyvio and not a WP:BACKWARDSCOPY.  Let's try to find out when it entered the article. ~  ONUnicorn (Talk&#124;Contribs) problem solving 21:16, 15 November 2022 (UTC)
 * The earliest version of the website in question that is saved in the wayback machine is from October 25, 2020.
 * Comparing the specific language you removed as copyvio:
 * "One of the UK’s most successful female music ambassadors" appeared in our article at the start of a sentence May 5, 2013. However, "She is one of the..." appeared in February of 2012.
 * "regularly gives lectures/Masterclasses to schools and colleges about the art of composing music for picture" entered our article on May 5, 2013. This same edit also introduced the "Young Person’s Guide to the Orchestra".
 * In fact, the vast majority of what you removed as a copyvio seems to have entered our article on May 5, 2013, almost word for word as it appears on the website.
 * I'm uncertian which came first, like I said, the oldest internet archive trawl appears to be from 2020., the one who made the 2013 additions, appears to edit mainly that article, but has been editing as recently as this past June.  They might be a coi editor. Do you think we should revdel everything from this edit forward? ~  ONUnicorn (Talk&#124;Contribs) problem solving 22:24, 15 November 2022 (UTC)
 * CelloSong, sorry, I made a mistake. The content was present before you started making your edits. ONUnicorn, I don't think revision deleting 9 years worth of edits is a good idea. It's not in line with the way we are currently doing revision deletion. — Diannaa (talk) 00:22, 16 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much, Diannaa. CelloSong (talk) 00:27, 16 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Then, should we restore the revisions you deleted? Given that our version predates the earliest archive of the other website by several years, and revision deleting 9 years of history isn't in line with the way we've been doing things, it makes sense to restore the other edits and add a backwards copy template to the talk page. ~  ONUnicorn (Talk&#124;Contribs) problem solving 03:19, 16 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Even if revision deletion isn't performed, it's likely not a backwards copy, as those phrases that you quoted above appear in this archived webpage from February 2012. DanCherek (talk) 03:30, 16 November 2022 (UTC)
 * @DanCherek Oh, well that's fun. I'm not sure how we should handle this, but I've left a warning on the talk page of the person who added the material in 2013; they have been active as recently as June of this year. ~  ONUnicorn (Talk&#124;Contribs) problem solving 15:37, 16 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Ok, per Copyright_problems/Advice_for_admins, "Long-standing content or content that has many intervening edits should not be revision deleted." Since this text entered the article 9 years ago, and there have been 91 intervening edits between when it entered the article and when Diannaa discovered it, it seems it should not be revision deleted.  I will undo the revision deletion of CelloSong's edits. ~  ONUnicorn (Talk&#124;Contribs) problem solving 16:02, 16 November 2022 (UTC)

Alcázar de Colón

 * I copied it from the Spanish version of Wikipedia as seen here:
 * https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alc%C3%A1zar_de_Col%C3%B3n


 * This version was already the same on October 24, 2015, how it looks here:
 * https://es.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Alc%C3%A1zar_de_Col%C3%B3n&oldid=86079337


 * so it was surely made in the same Spanish wikipedia, so I refuse what you say and I will revert your changes.--BrugesFR (talk) 23:41, 15 November 2022 (UTC)


 * I respect your work but please I ask you to revert it because I can't do it. What's more, I added very well reliable references (from books) so what you did doesn't make sense.


 * And the page that you posted doesn't look anything like the one I posted in the article, So? I don't know why you reversed my edits. Put it back as it was.--BrugesFR (talk) 23:54, 15 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Sorry for the mistake. It's okay to copy or translate content from other-language Wikipedias, but attribution must be given in the edit summary, so that our readers are made aware that you copied the prose rather than wrote it yourself. It's also required under the terms of our license (and prevents patrollers such as myself from making this particular mistake). I have reversed my actions and added the required attribution in my edit summary. There's also a template for use on the article talk page, so I have added one of those. — Diannaa (talk) 00:32, 16 November 2022 (UTC)

I tell you that you have a discussion of this in Administrative action review.--BrugesFR (talk) 00:35, 16 November 2022 (UTC)


 * ok I'm sorry for accusing you, I see that you've been editing for a long time just like me, we never leave wikipedia alone, I hope you're well, good night--BrugesFR (talk) 00:38, 16 November 2022 (UTC)

Notifying you of a mistake that I made and corrected directly afterwards
Just letting you know that I made a mistake here which I corrected a couple of minutes later. (I had placed there a paragraph from an IPCC report - but it wasn't meant to go there) Your copyright violation tool might still pick it up so it's probably best if you delete this old version of the article: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Climate_change_mitigation&oldid=1122395010#Land-based_options (I can't delete it myself). Thanks. EMsmile (talk) 10:28, 17 November 2022 (UTC)


 * Revision deletion complete. Thanks for the report. — Diannaa (talk) 11:36, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

Checking about a table from the IPCC report
I've created a much shortened version of a table with pH value changes from an IPCC report. I've added it here (see the second table in this section): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ocean_acidification#Observed_pH_value_changes. I plan to add another ten rows or so. Please let me know if this is problematic with copyright or not? I think it should be fine as it's only a smaller part of the table. The licence statement for IPCC reports is here (I know the reports are not under a compatible licence but recreating a smaller part of the table in this manner is OK, isn't it? What are the rules in this respect?). EMsmile (talk) 11:37, 18 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Can you please give me a link to the IPCC Report from which you are copying the table?I want to compare them. Thanks, — Diannaa (talk) 12:39, 18 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Yes, sure, it's here: https://www.ipcc.ch/report/ar6/wg1/downloads/report/IPCC_AR6_WGI_Chapter_05_Supplementary_Material.pdf (I have provided that as a citation in the table caption). Note, I would add a few more rows to the table if I get the green light from you (maybe 6-8 more) but not more columns. Hence "my table" would be about 10% as large as "their table". Is there a percentage value above which it would become problematic? Can individual facts be copyrighted?). EMsmile (talk) 13:41, 18 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Perhaps related is some info about a few additions I made today here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ocean_acidification#Observed_pH_value_changes Your copyright violation tool might ping that. But I've used quotes and some word strings are hard to write "in my own words" such as "pH decline of minus 0.022 to minus 0.026 pH unit per decade" (I've replaced their dash to a minus in words but that's only minor). I've thought about it for a while. Perhaps later I can come up with ways to convert the quotes into own words but it's really not easy for these very specific information on latest findings with regards to climate change data.  EMsmile (talk) 13:41, 18 November 2022 (UTC)
 * It's not the size of the table, it's the creative expression of ideas that can be copyrighted. (For example, List of films considered the best gives only examples, as the choice of which films are the best is subjective. On the other hand, Academy Award for Best Picture lists all best picture winners and nominees.) Percentage is irrelevant, as we don't allow any copyright material at all. The order of presentation might impart some meaning; sort the table alphabetical by location. If the table includes only location names and numerical data (i.e. scientific measurements as opposed to subjective rankings) there's no issue with copyright. Your second question: got flagged by the bot. Here is a link to the report. Click on the iThenticate link to view what was found by the detection service. You can see that the quotation is what triggered the report, as well as the list of authors from the citation. This can be marked as a false positive, as it's a quotation, and short quotations are allowed. As I mentioned before, due to our licensing and our intention here on Wikipedia to have our content freely shareable under the terms of that license, prose written by Wikipedians is preferred over quotations. Excessive non-free content is not allowed, but what's excessive is a judgement call on the part of admins and other patrollers. My feeling is that there should only be short quotations and only when absolutely necessary, and there shouldn't be a heck of a lot of quotes in each individual article. In other words, what we're looking for is purpose-written summaries of what the sources have to say, not direct quotes.On another topic, it is sometimes useful to point to specific edits rather than an entire article or a section of an article. Please see Help:Diff if you would like to see more information on this topic.  — Diannaa (talk) 14:47, 18 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks! EMsmile (talk) 21:41, 18 November 2022 (UTC)

Lang School
Lots of copyright violation today. Calling on your expertise. Thanks, 2601:19E:4180:6D50:0:0:0:CC3A (talk) 14:35, 18 November 2022 (UTC)


 * ✅ Revision deletion complete. The current version is okay from a copyright point of view. Another admin has blocked the most recent acct. I will watch-list this one permanently as this has been going on for years. Thanks. — Diannaa (talk) 14:57, 18 November 2022 (UTC)


 * I was concentrating on this morning's disruption, and didn't realize the violations went back years. Much appreciated. 2601:19E:4180:6D50:0:0:0:CC3A (talk) 15:27, 18 November 2022 (UTC)

James Price
Hello Diannaa, I am User 333222111. I am trying to create a page on James Price who is the founding Director of The Acting Studio-New York. He was one of my instructors in acting and I thought (since he didn't have one) he deserves a wiki-page. Though, I am very new to editing (I thought it would be a lot easier) I have ran into a lot of issues. Firstly, I was trying to copy somebody else's page so I can get the formatting correct. (I understand why it got deleted). Then I have tried to make a Wiki-Page on The Acting Studio-New York but that got flagged with copyright fringe. I am curious as to why that got flagged for copyright when nothing on it exists in Wiki Data except on some people's page's like Larry Gillard Jr. He has a reference to the studio but there is no links to take you there.

Again I am not trying to copyright or do any harm to anybody. I just want to create a page for my beloved teacher and his school.

If you can offer any help/information I will appreciate it. ( I have been going crazy studying the "WikiText" pages.)

I am eagerly awaiting your quick and timely response. Thank you very much for ready Diannaa.

All the best, User333222111 User333222111 (talk) 21:23, 18 November 2022 (UTC)


 * Copying content into Wikipedia from other websites is not allowed. Everything you add here needs to be written in your own words. I suggest that you try learning how to edit by looking at the material available at Help:Introduction. For specific questions, the Teahouse is a good place to go - editors are standing by ready to help. — Diannaa (talk) 00:24, 19 November 2022 (UTC)

Mount Airy Plantation
The description was not paraphrased well enough? It was not a word for word copyright violation, I made sure of that. Any suggestions are appreciated. Cheers Robtin.Goodfellow (talk) 23:24, 19 November 2022 (UTC)
 * The content was hardly paraphrased at all; hence the removal. Here is a link to the report. Click on the iThenticate link to view what was found by the detection service. Please don't add copyroight material to Wikipedia. — Diannaa (talk) 23:48, 19 November 2022 (UTC)

Recreation of deleted draft
You may want to review this log showing the recreation of the draft 1 day after you deleted it. ww2censor (talk) 11:20, 25 November 2022 (UTC)
 * This new version looks okay, as it contains completely new text, and does not copy any prose from the deleted article Chi Modu. — Diannaa (talk) 13:19, 25 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Brilliant, thanks for checking that out. ww2censor (talk) 13:54, 25 November 2022 (UTC)

Thanks...
... for correcting my mistake to quote "Fortune" at Job Creators Network - I wasn't aware of the copyright issues. --DiEb (talk) 21:04, 28 November 2022 (UTC)

Wye College
Hi Diannaa, I got an automated notice that you had changed the Wye College page I had been trudging through in relation to a copyright violation involving.

I'm kind of puzzled because I can't immediately see what you have changed nor figure what I might have allegedly stolen from Parkin. The only significant quotes I was aware of on the page were from English Heritage's various listing descriptions. Any chance you could point me towards what has changed?

Many thanks Ed1964 (talk) 14:52, 29 November 2022 (UTC)


 * I performed revision deletion on some content you had (apparenttly mistakenly) pasted into the article, copied from this website. — Diannaa (talk) 14:55, 29 November 2022 (UTC)

Thanks, I was just trying to figure out where it was in the page (section / subsection) so I could see what the effect on meaning was. I appreciate you can't tell me the precise change if there is a potential copyright violation. Ed1964 (talk) 15:05, 29 November 2022 (UTC)
 * You already removed it yourself and re-worked the content . — Diannaa (talk) 15:08, 29 November 2022 (UTC)

That makes sense now, thanks! I couldn't see why anyone would want to quote Parkin's book. Ed1964 (talk) 15:15, 29 November 2022 (UTC)

IPs adding copyvios to several articles
Hi Diannaa, I've stumbled on Special:Contributions/190.145.140.110, where the IP has added copyvio text from a news site. I've tagged several articles !for CV-Revdel, but it seems there may be more. The first edit by the user is similar to one by Special:Contributions/186.155.227.178, but I'm not sure if those are actual copyvios or not. The text certainly reads like newscopy, however. Thanks for whatever you can do here. BilCat (talk) 18:44, 29 November 2022 (UTC)


 * Hi BilCat. I will look at these tomorrow. — Diannaa (talk) 00:08, 30 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I appreciate it. BilCat (talk) 02:34, 30 November 2022 (UTC)
 * I didn't find any copyvio among the remaining edits by these two IPs. Found a random copyvio in Greenwich, Connecticut though. Thanks for your interest in copyvio cleanup. — Diannaa (talk) 21:38, 30 November 2022 (UTC)
 * You're most welcome, and thanks also. I'm not surprised you found an unrelated copyvio, however! BilCat (talk) 23:45, 30 November 2022 (UTC)

Copyvio issue: Daniel Carmon
Due to copyright issues that the article has faced after being published for the first time, I have re-written it with proper paraphrasing. I hope this will resolve the copyright issue regarding the article. Toadboy123 (talk) 12:26, 30 November 2022 (UTC)


 * I've transferred the new version into article space. Thank you for taking the time to do the rewrite. — Diannaa (talk) 21:20, 30 November 2022 (UTC)

Rhesus macaque‎‎
Can you check this again? Same editor has added a few new sections again. I'll slap a copy-vio learning tag on their talk. - UtherSRG (talk) 20:22, 30 November 2022 (UTC)


 * I've removed some content they re-added that was still not adequately paraphrased. Unfortunately the source articles in the further additions are behind paywalls; spot checks revealed nothing untoward though. — Diannaa (talk) 21:04, 30 November 2022 (UTC)
 * what does this mean?? looking to understand why i cant use that source? Jonathan.diamantstein (talk) 21:17, 30 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Of course you can use that source, but it's not okay to copy their text unaltered. The new version was still very much the same as the source article, so I removed it a second time. — Diannaa (talk) 21:19, 30 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Is this copyright approved now with the quotes for the statistics? following changes:The article further discusses the role of habitat plays on population distribution, stating that of the "103 located troops of this species 42.7% were observed in rural localities, 39.8% in forested areas and 17.5% in urban areas" . Looking closely at the differences between anthropogenic and natural habitats Macaque troops in naturally forested locations occurred along the distribution boundary of the species. The population distribution was "51.3% in Western / Central India, and 48.7% in the South-Eastern peninsula" . Whereas in anthropogenic habitats "83.7% of the troops were seen in South-Eastern India, and approximately 6.2% of the troop in Western and Central areas".


 * Please let me know, the contents are important information Jonathan.diamantstein (talk) 21:53, 30 November 2022 (UTC)
 * That's still very much like the source article. It doesn't matter if it's important information or not; you can't add it if you have to violate our copyright policy to do so. You might have noticed my version, which omitted the stats and added "Rural habitats were the most popular, followed by forests and urban areas". You can leave out the data that "approximately 6.2% of the troop in Western and Central areas" especially if you use the correct number for southeast India (93.7%) because 93.7 + 6.2 = nearly 100% accounted for. — Diannaa (talk) 22:34, 30 November 2022 (UTC)
 * okay thanks for the explanation Jonathan.diamantstein (talk) 22:49, 30 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Just noting that this is only one study, and a different study might get different results, so the exact percentages are not necessarily going to stand the test of time regardless. — Diannaa (talk) 23:00, 30 November 2022 (UTC)

Removing copyright content
I noticed that your speciality is to remove copyright content and history remove them, thus preventing those pages from being speedy deleted. The page Draft:First football match in Spain was moved to a draft due to copyright and now needs to be history removed to get back to the main space. I don't know how to do that, so could you do that for me? I would really appreciate it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Barr Theo (talk • contribs)
 * I have done some more copyright cleanup. I am not going to move the draft back to mainspace though. Please sumbit it using the normal review process. — Diannaa (talk) 16:03, 1 December 2022 (UTC)

Oldsmobile
Have placed an updated edit with further citations and more careful referencing of source article here: Talk:Oldsmobile/Temp

Is this something you could review? 842U (talk) 14:20, 3 December 2022 (UTC)
 * No, it's not ready yet. I had a quick look an hour or two ago and found that the new version is still too closely paraphrased from the source, as it presents the same material in the same order using almost identical wording. Please don't paste copies of your proposed text on the article talk page; use the temp page only. Thanks. — Diannaa (talk) 14:24, 3 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Please cite the problem instance of "almost" identical wording and too closely paraphased. 842U (talk) 22:01, 3 December 2022 (UTC)
 * I see you've done some more amendments and that takes care of the main issues. I will go ahead and place it in the article now. Thanks, — Diannaa (talk) 22:54, 3 December 2022 (UTC)

Question about a draft
Hi Diannaa, quick question about Draft:Bodily Distress Disorder. The information is intentionally duplicated by the authors at with the expressed intent to publish the text on wikipedia. Are any templates recognizing this required at the talkpage or in the references-section? Regards. Draken Bowser (talk) 10:59, 4 December 2022 (UTC)


 * Hi @Draken Bowser and thanks for the question. Since the text is previously published elsewhere online, it's considered copyright. This means that we can't accept it here (even in a draft) unless it's released under a compatible license (See WP:donating copyrighted materials for more info on this topic.). So I will have to delete it. — Diannaa (talk) 14:50, 4 December 2022 (UTC)

Copyvios in this change
Hi Diannna There seem to be some pretty obvious copvios in these additions by an IP editor (apart from other style issues!). Would you please do the removal hiding of content? Thanks Laterthanyouthink (talk) 08:48, 5 December 2022 (UTC)


 * Also, happened upon this one - 83% according to the copyvio detector. Laterthanyouthink (talk) 11:33, 5 December 2022 (UTC)
 * These have both been cleaned. Thanks for the report. — Diannaa (talk) 13:49, 5 December 2022 (UTC)

Christian Brothers' College, Mount Edmund
Christian Brothers' College, Mount Edmund -- looks like blatant copypaste in its entirety. MurrayGreshler (talk) 23:51, 5 December 2022 (UTC)


 * Fixed. Thanks for the report. In the future, it would be great if you know which webpage from which the text was copied, please say so, so that I don't have to duplicate your investigation. Thanks — Diannaa (talk) 00:45, 6 December 2022 (UTC)


 * Ok. But this article only had one source (its own website!) MurrayGreshler (talk) 01:37, 6 December 2022 (UTC)
 * The url listed in the article is not where I found the matching prose. — Diannaa (talk) 13:30, 6 December 2022 (UTC)

Carlo Fontana
I think Carlo Fontana is mostly copypaste from this source. Yours, MurrayGreshler (talk) 11:14, 6 December 2022 (UTC)
 * The Catholic Encyclopedia is now in the public domain because its copyright has expired. The article provides the required attribution at the bottom of the page: "This article incorporates text from the 1913 Catholic Encyclopedia article "Carlo Fontana" by Thomas H. Poole, a publication now in the public domain." So not a copyvio. — Diannaa (talk) 13:26, 6 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Ok. Thanks. I wondered because there's some pretty blatant plagiarism of that (very biased) site. Yours, MurrayGreshler (talk) 19:14, 6 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Credit is given for the copying, so it doesn't meet Wikipedias's definition of plagiarism. If you are concerned about the source being biased, you could post on the article talk page and see what others think. — Diannaa (talk) 20:08, 6 December 2022 (UTC)

Draft: Silly Mountain
Hi @Diannaa! After noticing your modification on the draft page Draft:Silly Mountain (Arizona), I want to understand how I can fix it, and if you had any suggestions about where to find useful information to improve the above page would be very welcome. Thanks in advance! Team5DTVanessa (talk) 10:22, 6 December 2022 (UTC)


 * The website is a good source, but the text is copyright. What we do on Wikipedia is find sources and then summarize their contents in our own words. Please don't add copyright material to Wikipedia. — Diannaa (talk) 13:20, 6 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the report! This draft is part of an Educational Project, so my teammates and I will improve the article. Team5DTVanessa (talk) 17:40, 6 December 2022 (UTC)

Removed content
Hello Diannaa, I noticed that you have removed content I added previously at Lebanese Civil War on ground that they're copyrighted and weren't 'compatibly licensed'. Could you please explain more on why my content wasn't compatibly licensed, as I did cite the source which was the book? What do I need to do to add it back? Savipolo (talk) 14:55, 10 December 2022 (UTC)


 * The problem is that you copied copyright text from that source. That's not allowed; it's a violation of our copyright policy to do that. Everything you add to Wikipedia must be written in your own words. — Diannaa (talk) 15:35, 10 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your response. I have re-added the material written by my own phrasing. Savipolo (talk) 17:00, 10 December 2022 (UTC)

Removed content (2)
Hello, regarding my edits to Human rights in Ukraine, as I no longer have access to them, I can't say how close they were to the source (Amnesty International + Kharkiv Human Rights Protection Group), but I usually do my best to modify the content at the best of my abilities (which may not be good enough, as English is not my native language). Could you please check my edits again and confirm that they were a copyright infringement? and is it possible to have the text back (e.g. via email) so that I do not lose the sources and am able to reformulate the text? Gitz (talk) (contribs) 16:21, 11 December 2022 (UTC)
 * I have temporarily undone the revision deletion so you can have a look. Here is a link to Earwig's Copyvio Detector — Diannaa (talk) 16:26, 11 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you, I have had a look and will now reformulate the texts. However, I don't understand how Earwig's Copyvio Detector works: the link you sent me says "unlikely violation 31.0% similarity", which sounds pretty good. Is there a maximum similarity threshold? Or perhaps the percentage of similarity is irrelevant and one should instead look at the text highlighted in pink and form an opinion on that basis alone? Gitz (talk) (contribs) 16:56, 11 December 2022 (UTC)
 * That's a good question Gitz. We don't use the percentages, but look for identical text. The amount of copying that is allowed is zero. — Diannaa (talk) 19:00, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

Matriarch (film)
Thanks for your feedback, I'll edit the page and rephrase the content. But I have some questions (sorry for silly questions, unfrequent editor here): - why are diffs not viewable? check https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Matriarch+%28film%29&date-range-to=&tagfilter=&action=history I am not able to see the edit just before yours (the one about the Ben Steiner 2022 film). And some edits seem to have vanished: Spiderone moved that to draft, but that edit (that I am sure I saw) disapeared: - The page is currently doubled: the "main" one, and this one: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Matriarch_(2018-film) How can this be handled? Barakafrit2 (talk) 19:20, 11 December 2022 (UTC)
 * There should only be one copy of the article. I am not sure how you created a second copy. I will redirect the draftspace copy to the version in article space. Regarding the fact that some diffs are hidden, this was done because of the copyright plot description that had to be removed. WP:Revision deletion — Diannaa (talk) 23:42, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

Peace Dove
Happy Holidays. &#8213; Buster7  &#9742;   22:36, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

Thank you! Best wishes! — Diannaa (talk) 23:45, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

Copyright question
A student editor with the University of Ottawa added this content to Looking-glass self. The content was unsourced but also curiously worded so I searched online and the entire content of that addition is found in this document from the same school. I assume there's copyright on that document so I reverted the edit, but since it's a school paper and was added to the article by a student of the school does that factor into anything? This is the first time I've come across this situation and while there's more than just the copyright issue that is a concern with the addition, is this a revdel issue? What would be the best way to proceed with this? Any feedback would be appreciated, thanks. - Aoidh (talk) 02:54, 13 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the report. I have done revision deletion and warned the user. No, being a student at the school or that it's a student-written paper does not impact the copyright status of the source document. — Diannaa (talk) 20:36, 13 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks for that clarification. It looks like they re-added the copyright violating text that might need to be revdel'd as well. - Aoidh (talk) 21:07, 13 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I did not see that, and have now rev-delled that edit as well. — Diannaa (talk) 21:19, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

Hi Diannaa
The user Norprobr is constantly vandalizing several articles referring to the Dominican Republic, I do not understand why you support the constant vandalism that this user does in those articles, I am Dominican, and I know the history of my country very well, that is why I edit these articles so that Make it as understandable and clear, I'm going to talk to an administrator about this, because as far as I know, vandalism of items is not allowed here. Oli (talk) 13:30, 13 December 2022 (UTC)


 * My only interaction with Norprobr has been to post a notice on their talk page pointing out that when copying within Wikipedia, attribution is required. I don't see how that means I support vandalism; perhaps you could clarify? Thanks, — Diannaa (talk) 20:30, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

User sandbox
User:Kitty Felton has edited Felton Institute and User:Kitty Felton/sandbox. The first has been revision deleted as a copyvio and I have blanked the second as a copy of https://felton.org/about-us/what-we-believe/kitty-felton/, see Earwig report. Please can you revision delete the sandbox edits. I have warned the user about copyright policy on their talk page. TSventon (talk) 13:58, 14 December 2022 (UTC)


 * Done. Thank you for reporting. — Diannaa (talk) 14:06, 14 December 2022 (UTC)

Revdel candidate?
Hi Diannaa, regarding Special:Permalink/1127629059, the user posted on my talk page some info that I believe meets revdel/oversight criteria. The content exists in special:diff/1127107618 and special:diff/1127635386. Curious if you agree and are available to hide this for the user's sake. Cheers — Andy W. ( talk ) 02:52, 16 December 2022 (UTC)


 * @Andy M. Wang – it's now been zapped. Good call. Cheers DBaK (talk) 10:07, 16 December 2022 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

 * Thank you DanCherek for the special recognition! — Diannaa (talk) 22:18, 17 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you, Diannaa, for the very important work that you do on Wikipedia. - Aoidh (talk) 22:23, 17 December 2022 (UTC)

Kessler Dispute
Did I miss something, or did Magellan miss something? It appears to me that you deleted their edits as copyright violation, in which case there is nothing to discuss at DRN. If I have misunderstood, please let me know. Robert McClenon (talk) 19:25, 18 December 2022 (UTC)
 * He added copyright content at the redirect page Kessler Park where it was removed by someone else and revision deleted by someone else. He also added copyright content at Kessler Park, Dallas (which is also a redirect page), where it was removed by someone else, but the revision deletion was done by me. The source webpage was this one, according to my log entry. I did not warn the user as they already had a copyrvio warning on their talk page from another admin who today discovered a copyvio added at Stevens Park Estates, Dallas. I think they've added content elsewhere too, but I have not checked all their contribs to see if there's any further removals or revision deletion needed. But everything they've added to Kessler, Dallas was removed. — Diannaa (talk) 20:45, 18 December 2022 (UTC)
 * See -Roxy the dog  20:56, 18 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Okay. So I didn't miss something.  They said, at DRN, that their edits were deleted for no legitimate reason.  It appears that their edits were deleted for copyvio, which is a reason, because copyvio is not legitimate.  Robert McClenon (talk) 04:17, 19 December 2022 (UTC)

Still grateful
Thank you. Old-fashioned Wikipedian values --Dweller (talk) Old fashioned is the new thing! 16:44, 20 December 2022 (UTC)


 * It attracts a lot of attention to our new old-fashioned way! Ha. — Diannaa (talk) 20:00, 20 December 2022 (UTC)

You've got mail!
BilCat (talk) 02:25, 21 December 2022 (UTC)


 * Done. Thanks for the report. — Diannaa (talk) 15:05, 21 December 2022 (UTC)
 * And thank you as always. Merry Christmas! BilCat (talk) 19:35, 21 December 2022 (UTC)

Can you direct me to the guidelines on large blockquotes?
Hi, I noticed you removed a large blockquote on the NZ post article that I added. I'm not questioning the removal of the blockquote but can you link me to the guidelines about blockquotes so I know what I should do in future edits. Thanks! CoderThomasB (talk) 07:03, 21 December 2022 (UTC)


 * Please see WP:NFCCP. "Use brief verbatim textual excerpts"; Non-free content:"Extensive quotation of copyrighted text is prohibited." — Diannaa (talk) 15:10, 21 December 2022 (UTC)
 * CoderThomasB (talk) 22:03, 21 December 2022 (UTC)

Tools and WP scripts for detecting plagiarism and copy-paste content
Hi. I need a tool/script for comparing content with their citations; e.g. a script similar to User:Headbomb/unreliable but for detecting plagiarism and copy-paste content. Any suggestion? --Mann Mann (talk) 17:02, 21 December 2022 (UTC)


 * https://copyvios.toolforge.org/ — Diannaa (talk) 19:34, 21 December 2022 (UTC)


 * Thanks --Mann Mann (talk) 04:06, 22 December 2022 (UTC)

Copyvio question
Hi Diannaa, this is copied verbatim from the copyrighted source, but it is cited as a quote and attributed. I reverted it as it should be rewritten, but I'm not certain if the text is large enough to have to be revdelled. Thanks. BilCat (talk) 19:44, 21 December 2022 (UTC)

This is the same incident, but added to a different article by the same IP. I just don't know if they're over the threshold of what we're permitted to quote. Thanks. BilCat (talk) 20:17, 21 December 2022 (UTC)


 * I don't do revision deletion on over-large quote removals, as it's not a violation of the copyright policy, but of the non-free content rule. Thanks for removing though; there's no reason why original prose could not be prepared. — Diannaa (talk) 21:54, 21 December 2022 (UTC)
 * OK, thanks for the clarification. I wasn't sure, or I would've tagged it as a copyvio myself. BilCat (talk) 01:25, 22 December 2022 (UTC)

The Sexuality of Frederick the Great
You have recently removed additional material about the homosexuality of Frederick the Great taken/paraphrased from a contribution to ART-Dok, arguing that it contains material from copyrighted sources. However, the Heidelberg University Library explicitly states that a publication in ART-Dok does not exclude further publications of the same document in journals, monographs or other publication platforms. See https://www.arthistoricum.net/en/publishing/art-dok This means that paragraphs from ART-Dok publications can be cited elsewhere without permission and limitation. Kunst-Theodor (talk) 00:44, 22 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Sorry, this particular paper is released under a Creative Commons Attribution - ShareAlike 4.0 license, which is not a compatible license. — Diannaa (talk) 01:49, 22 December 2022 (UTC)
 * OK. I don't know much about copyright. However, the removed quote from Voltaire about Frederick's quickies with young men may alternatively be cited from an eighteenth-century source. What about this quote: "...when His Majesty was dressed and booted, the Stoic gave some moments to the sect of Epicurus; he had two or three favorites come, either lieutenants of his regiment, or pages, or haidouks, or young cadets. They took coffee. He to whom the handkerchief was thrown stayed another quarter of an hour in privacy." This is a translation from the French original cited in Louis Crompton, Homosexuality and Civilization (Cambridge, MA: Balknap Press of Harvard University Press, 2003). Kunst-Theodor (talk) 02:01, 22 December 2022 (UTC)
 * None of the content I removed had quotation marks. — Diannaa (talk) 13:52, 22 December 2022 (UTC)

Merry Christmas!
Thank you! — Diannaa (talk) 00:18, 24 December 2022 (UTC)

Message from Moribundum
Why delete all my work? There were direct quotes of diagnostic criteria. Such direct quotes of internationally recognized diagnostic criteria appear on other articles also. Moribundum (talk) 17:16, 23 December 2022 (UTC)


 * For example on wikipedia on articles constipation, irritable bowel syndrome, and no doubt many other articles. Also I have seen many publications which duplicate such diagnostic criteria. That is the point of internationally recognized diagnostic criteria. Everyone has access to them and can reproduce them, so they will be widely used. I think you are incorrectly deleting important content from articles. Moribundum (talk) 17:44, 23 December 2022 (UTC)
 * There were no quotation marks or block quote template on the content I removed.
 * It doesn't matter what other websites are doing; we have some pretty strict copyright rules and try to enforce them to the best of our capability.
 * I found nothing in constipation and some minor copying in Irritable bowel syndrome, which I removed. I would be happy to investigate any further copyvio concerns you may have, or you could list them at WP:CP, which might be faster. Thanks, — Diannaa (talk) 20:33, 23 December 2022 (UTC)

So, let us add some quotation marks. If that is the issue, why delete the content and ban editors from viewing it? It is not correct to state that writing diagnostic criteria is copyright infringement. It is very common to reproduce such diagnostic criteria. Removing diagnostic criteria from internationally recognized organizations that make their diagnostic criteria freely available is deleterious to the articles here, you should stop and repair the damage. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Moribundum (talk • contribs) 22:04, 23 December 2022 (UTC)


 * Their content is free to view, but it is protected by copyright. That means it can't be copied here unaltered. It's against the copyright policy of our website to do so. It's too large for a quote. Our readers can view the specifics about the criteria by viewing the content in the citation, or you could summarize the in your own words. — Diannaa (talk) 23:57, 23 December 2022 (UTC)
 * The vast reproduction of such diagnostic criteria on many sites and publications would beg to differ.
 * Also how are users supposed to alter the material when it is deleted and hidden. Moribundum (talk) 00:11, 24 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Like I already said, what happens on the rest of the Internet does not impact our copyright policy, an official Wikipedia policy with legal considerations. We have to be as free of copyright violations as possible if we expect to be taken seriously as a world-class valid resource.You still have access to the source; it's currently citation #17. — Diannaa (talk) 00:15, 24 December 2022 (UTC)

Your editing borders on vandalism. The constructive thing to do would be to add quotation marks or reword. Not to delete the content and then hide it to make it impossible for others to find and restore. And I really do not appreciate your mocking tone. Obviously I do not have any "further copyvio concerns". And I do not appreciate spam notifications from you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Moribundum (talk • contribs) 07:55, 24 December 2022 (UTC)

Jazz on the Autobahn
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_WLaWauXW4w

Merry Christmas…
🎄 and a prosperous new year. Kierzek (talk) 17:54, 24 December 2022 (UTC)


 * Thank you! Merry Christmas! Live long and prosper! — Diannaa (talk) 21:03, 24 December 2022 (UTC)

Happy holidays

 * Thanks Johnbod! Best wishes — Diannaa (talk) 21:19, 24 December 2022 (UTC)

Happy Holidays!
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Copyvio? Lack of attribution? Mirror?
I don't even know where to start on these two articles: Frontier Corps Khyber Pakhtunkhwa (North) and Frontier Corps Khyber Pakhtunkhwa (South), who both show copyvios from this facebook page, which was written in 2011. However, there's this, which I do not even know what site that is. It's not Turkish WP. Never seen it before. Thoughts?  Onel 5969  TT me 13:56, 28 December 2022 (UTC)


 * Turkcewiki is a Wikipedia mirror. Both the articles you're investigating contain content copied from Frontier Corps and both have the required attribution in the edit summary in the very first diff. — Diannaa (talk) 14:01, 28 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Don't know how I missed that attribution.  Onel 5969  TT me 14:43, 28 December 2022 (UTC)

Sorry!
Good catch, I mistook the incident in 2000 as this one. My apologies and thanks for fixing. Unbroken Chain (talk) 00:24, 29 December 2022 (UTC)

Halala <- Kali (asura)
You remind me Diannaa, something not emphatic in my awareness within W, that far more than legal maintenance of W's part in the copyright consensus is the continuing desire of some of our colleagues to be recognized, even 2 layers behind the scene curtains, for being intellectual property creators themselves. Yes, creators in this copyright attribution sense, despite usual first attention to relaying what hangs on citing outside sources. So let us celebrate them this season for what they are proud to create in the course of informing, and we may quip, "They too serve who mutely proffer the tray (with what they may have created upon it)". :) Pandelver (talk) 15:46, 29 December 2022 (UTC)

Notice of Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents discussion
There is currently a discussion at Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The thread is Doubts about copyright of machine-translation. Thank you. RPI2026F1 (talk) 13:14, 30 December 2022 (UTC)

Why is this PD?
You added a PD tag but It is from [ https://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/8543-jeconiah%20Jeconiah%20Jewish%20encylopedi ] which has a recent copyright statement. Thanks. Doug Weller talk 15:21, 30 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Like they explained at No original research/Noticeboard, The Jewish Encyclopedia is in the public domain, due to its age. — Diannaa (talk) 22:56, 30 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I really don't like huge chunks just copied into articles, and in this case the reader has no idea how old the source is. It's quite likely that not all of it represents current academic opinion, and from past experience if I added a cn anywhere it will be reverted as it's sourced..  Doug Weller  talk 10:29, 31 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Those issues are outside the scope of things I have time to look after. — Diannaa (talk) 14:10, 31 December 2022 (UTC)
 * No problem, I don't blame you! Doug Weller  talk 14:17, 31 December 2022 (UTC)

Question
Hello Diannaa. Hope you're doing well. I'm having a bit of a brain fart over here. Say I translated a French Wikipedia article into its English version. That wouldn't be considered a violation of copyright, since the words in that French article is already rewritten? In other words, if I add that translation template thingy on the talk page of the article I put the translated stuff in, I should be good, right? HistoryofIran (talk) 23:48, 30 December 2022 (UTC)


 * The template is great. But you also need to provide attribution in an edit summary. i.e. "Attribution: text was copied/translated from Crêpe on December 30, 2022. Please see the history of that page for full attribution." — Diannaa (talk) 00:01, 31 December 2022 (UTC)
 * P.S. Forgot to say: It's not a copyright violation to copy/translate articles from other-language Wikipedias. Just do the attribution things, — Diannaa (talk) 00:03, 31 December 2022 (UTC)
 * I see, thank you very much! --HistoryofIran (talk) 00:09, 31 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Acually, the international law regarding translations and the associated ethics currently exists with some layers of contradictory principles. For example: Canada reserves translation authorization to the orginal text creator (before we get to approval of translation elements): as in https://www.bereskinparr.com/doc/don-t-get-lost-in-translation-copyright-protection-in-translated-works, while "internationally binding regulations (e.g. the Berne Convention for the Protection of Literary and Artistic works), translations, among other alternations, are protected as original works without prejudice to the copyright in the original work." as in https://www.lr-coordination.eu/node/251, showing these URLs in line here as part of describing the state of things, from a major law firm with an intellectual practice to an international communications agency. If Diannaa writes a phrase and permits you to translate it, HistoryofIran, with an a priori consented carte blanche, and you then create a translation for which from most governing jurisdictions on various sides you then hold the copyright, but then Diannaa objects to your particular translation or how you and others use it, some would say Diannaa lost her right to further edit what you produce by the nature of her prior permission; others may say, even legally, that you may have breached her trust in you in the principles with which she granted you a scope of permission. And she may not be concerned until we all see how a third party reacts to the translation you have created, and what use that party makes of your work and of hers which have become somewhat different entity matters by then. So this is both the formal international and national context, and the 'real effect' among intelligent actors involved from which you will choose your practical ethics. As Diannaa recommends in the particular case of W here, attribution is always polite and tends towards propriety in valuing others who are our sources, collaborators, and yes, even those whose translations, because such are always linguistically interpretations, vary from ours, whether guessing a cuneiform semiotic or a Farsi semantic.
 * As I am not a Farsi speaker, while admiring much Iranian culture, should I end with "عرض کردن"? Pandelver (talk) 17:16, 31 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Btw, in your example, HistoryOfIran, there are at least 3 layers of copyright, each has its own, so the French W is copyright 2 and your English W is copyright 3; and the tendency over recent centuries is to acknowledge plagiarism across single language (and its dialects and hybrids) into multilanguage re-presentations (viz translations besides changes in media). Each reworking pulls along roots from the previous and also sprouts its own new intellectual property layer with any rights, courtesies and new meanings and significations to others and thus potentially new identities beyond those for which rights and courtesies and implications existed before :) Pandelver (talk) 17:34, 31 December 2022 (UTC)
 * A lot of what you are saying is not applicable to copying within Wikipedia, which is covered by Copying within Wikipedia. And it's not helpful advice for any copyright situation regardless, as it is not written very clearly or understandably, so sorry. — Diannaa (talk) 21:27, 31 December 2022 (UTC)

Happy New Year, Diannaa!


Happy New Year! Diannaa, Have a prosperous, productive and enjoyable New Year, and thanks for your contributions to Wikipedia.

Abishe (talk) 17:59, 31 December 2022 (UTC)

Send New Year cheer by adding {{subst:Happy New Year fireworks}} to user talk pages.

Abishe (talk) 17:59, 31 December 2022 (UTC)


 * Thank you! — Diannaa (talk) 21:28, 31 December 2022 (UTC)