User talk:Dickov

A tag has been placed on Dickov, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done because the article appears to be about a person, group of people, band, club, company, or web content, but it does not indicate how or why the subject is notable: that is, why an article about that subject should be included in an encyclopedia. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, articles that do not assert the subject's importance or significance may be deleted at any time. Please see the guidelines for what is generally accepted as notable.

If you think that you can assert the notability of the subject, you may contest the deletion. To do this, add  on the top of the page (just below the existing speedy deletion or "db" tag) and leave a note on the article's talk page explaining your position. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the article that would confirm the subject's notability under Wikipedia guidelines.

For guidelines on specific types of articles, you may want to check out our criteria for biographies, for web sites, for bands, or for companies. Feel free to leave a note on my talk page if you have any questions about this. Angus Lepper(T, C, D) 10:54, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately, I suspect that this player is not notable enough for an article. In general, I suspect that actually very few (read: pretty much all) players are non-notable. This is my reasoning for the proposal for speedy deletion. However, you can rest assured that the deletion is not unilateral &mdash; I have only proposed that the page be deleted: an administrator will review the page before deleting it, and other users (but not yourself, as this is a conflict of interest) can feel free to remove my proposal for speedy deletion from the page. Also, please read Wikipedia's policy on autobiographies. Please do not take offense at this, however. The article was generally written in reasonable style (albeit at times it didn't quite adhere to the neutral point of view policy) and showed effort had been put in. Angus Lepper(T, C, D) 11:11, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

You've recreated this article (or at least removed the tag), so what was written above still applies. Also, do NOT remove db tags until the issue is resolved. You've been warned. Rob Lindsey 13:10, 10 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Dickov is not a notable enough subject for Wikipedia- or, in the event (unlikely) that he is, the article does not assert it. This would be like, say, creating an article on the first guy to hit level 70 on World of Warcraft, or something similar.  The fact is, this guy hasn't done anything notable besides play a video game.  I play video games all the time.  I don't have a Wikipedia article.  Even if he is some sort of super-prolific or amazing player in the game, he hasn't done anything notable beyond that.   Dooms  Day349  19:41, 10 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Also note the conflict of interest between the article and your username (identical).  Dooms  Day349  19:42, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

Ok ok fair enough. However, I found that many articles refering to subjects related with video games such as "Rhasta" have been deleted. While Dickov may not be as wide-concerning as a character in the game, why is it that other surviving character biographies such as Cloud Strife are not deleted? I am unable to understand fully Wikipedia's fourteen point policy regarding the deletion of such material.

Moreover I quote:- Even if he is some sort of super-prolific or amazing player in the game, he hasn't done anything notable beyond that.

While you say this regarding my article, I have found articles providing evidence to the contrary. Articles such as Overrated (wow guild), SK Gaming among others. I cannot understand the double standards applied to my article.

Assuming the conflict of interests. Suppose I managed to convince a fan or god forbid, a fan willingly creates an article tributed to me. Would that article be just as survivable as my previous 4 attempts to get Wikipedia to recognise the magnitude of "Dickov"?

Does wikipedia regard the world of Video-games not adequate enough to be accomodated into such a powerful and amazing system such as itself? Importance is also extremely (repeat:extremely) subjective, would it not be offensive to other parties to have their work deemed unimportant? --Dickov 19:52, 10 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Cloud Strife was the leading protagonist of the very iconic game Final Fantasy VII and is a highly recognizable figure from the series. You'll notice that Wikipedia has many articles on video games; just peruse Category:Video games and you'll get an idea.  We do believe that notable video games and characters, and sometimes players (as in the two cases you provided, the first of which, from my understanding, attempted or performed a major hack on the game (take note that the article encompasses many members and not a sole individual, who by himself is likely not notable, much like this Dickov) and the second of which is an entirely different story, an electronic sports club) are notable for inclusion.  My understanding of the article on Dickov shows me that he is nothing more than a high leveled player on the game; nothing that warrants a Wikipedia article.  This is not a myspace.  This is not a blog.  This is an encyclopedia, where we include notable topics.   Dooms  Day349  20:09, 10 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Also, while important may be subjective somewhere else, Wikipedia does have clear notability guidelines.  Dooms  Day349  20:10, 10 June 2007 (UTC)