User talk:DieWeisseRose/Archive 1

MfD nomination of User:DieWeisseRose/Userboxes/FreeTibet
User:DieWeisseRose/Userboxes/FreeTibet, a page you created, has been nominated for deletion. Your opinions on the matter are welcome; please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:DieWeisseRose/Userboxes/FreeTibet and please be sure to sign your comments with four tildes ( ~ ). You are free to edit the content of User:DieWeisseRose/Userboxes/FreeTibet during the discussion but should not remove the miscellany for deletion template from the top of the page; such removal will not end the deletion discussion. Thank you. Otolemur crassicaudatus (talk) 11:28, 13 January 2008 (UTC)


 * I have closed this nomination with a keep result, a decision which was unanimous (nominator excepted.) Best wishes, Xoloz (talk) 16:50, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

TfD nomination of Template:TOINK
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"Wikipedians for Palestine"
Hello. From past postings of yours, there is reason to believe you are or were a member of a google group "Wikipedians for Palestine". Since you have also been outspoken recently in your accusations against the pro-Israel "Isra-pedia" group, ),could I ask you to do the honest thing and provide the Arbcom or some trusted admins with access to the Palestine group archives, so we can get an assessment of what was going on there? Fut.Perf. ☼ 14:46, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Did you ever reply to this request? They seem relevant and it would be in the spirit of openness.--72.243.237.122 (talk) 02:31, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

That group and its archive have been deleted. So, assuming, for the sake of argument only, that I ever had the ability or inclination to give anyone access to the archive, I could not presently do so. Now, I have some questions: Can you, Fut. Perf., honestly say that I was "outspoken" in my alleged "accusations against the pro-Israel 'Isra-pedia' group"? I made only one remark that could possibly be construed as an accusation and that was to point out that there is reason to believe that the CAMERA operation was not unique. Your use of the plural and the adjective are off the mark and my accusation, if any, was, at most, only indirectly aimed at "the pro-Israel 'Isra-pedia' group".

And, again, assuming, for the sake of argument only, that I ever had the ability or inclination to give anyone access to the wikiforpalestine archive, just how would giving non-members access to it be the "honest thing"? Was joining the CAMERA group under, apparently, false pretenses and, then, leaking the group's e-mails to EI the "honest thing"?

And just what is the purpose of this line of inquiry? Here's the group's description from a Google cache: This group is for experienced Wikipedians actively working to combat anti-Palestinian and pro-Zionist bias in the English language version of Wikipedia. It is not the purpose of this group to introduce a POV bias into Wikipedia; however, this group is for those who are consciously and proudly pro-Palestinian even as they are committed to, and work for, an NPOV.

In order to verify their status as both a Wikipedian in good standing and someone who is pro-Palestinian and anti-Zionist, those wishing to join this group will be asked to provide their Wikipedia user ID.

''The neutral point of view is a means of dealing with conflicting views. The policy requires that, where there are or have been conflicting views, these are fairly presented, but not asserted. All significant points of view are presented, not just the most popular one. It is not asserted that the most popular view or some sort of intermediate view among the different views is the correct one. Readers are left to form their own opinions.'' --From the Wikipedia policy on "Neutral point of view"

Huldra provided another statement from the wikiforpalestine group:

''In light of the recent CAMERA/Isra-pedia scandal [] and seeing that Dajudem/Juanita wants to compare this group to the CAMERA/Isra-pedia effort she was involved in let us point out some key differences:
 * 1. ''This group never recruited neophytes to edit Wikipedia; only editors already in "good standing" were allowed to join.
 * 2. ''Unlike the Isra-pedia group, the existence of this group has never been hidden. It has always been public and purposely so (Yahoo does permit "unlisted" groups).
 * 3. ''Unlike the Isra-pedia effort, this group has always been explicitly committed to NPOV.
 * 4. ''This group has always been independent and never bankrolled and backed by any organization, let alone one as well staffed and funded as CAMERA.
 * 5. This last point may help explain why Isra-pedia had more message traffic in one week than this group had in the last seven months.

Just what policy/guideline did the wikiforpalestine group or its members allegedly ever violate? Unless you can reasonably articulate some alleged violation and provide some evidence then I would politely request that you simply AGF and abandon this apparent fishing expedition in the making. --DieWeisseRose (talk) 11:19, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Dear (The) White Rose
Thank you for you assistance on Al Aqsa Massacre wikiarticle. I would like to assure you that its creation was long in coming and required much consideration. One prepares oneself for a rough ride in doing so. I am the producer of the Mount of Olives Video featured as evidence in the article, knowing that there was so little accurate information about "what happened that day", motivated me to release the evidence again. Since that "incident" or massacre as I experienced it, my best friend's mother was brutally murdered in Nablus in another "incident" ,and for a few years , fear over took me - that I would be whacked next - that I might inflame hatred against Jews - help extremists of all sides, make matters worse , get people "Palestinians" killed etc. All I wanted to do was save lives( documenting human rights for PHRIC) and so many around me were killed. I thought I was prepared, having grown up in Beirut in the 1970s and early 1980s , but NOTHING prepares you for what awaits when you wear Palestinian shoes for a day !

I will learn more about wiki - It is more than a platform to discuss "what happened that day". I hope to learn how to use the quotations properly ! Link to Wikimedia - not YouTube Ikbis etc.

Most important was the timing of the article - in sequence of the release of the video - which now, is in the public for ALL to use as is appropriate. Unfortunately, my only subscriber at Youtube is an extremist-

What can you do ?!?! With Kindest Regards

Alaqsa81090

PS I think your links and affiliations are healthy and VERY cool

Salam

84.226.26.255 (talk) 20:28, 13 October 2008 (UTC) I am hopeless - Do not know how to sign this !


 * You're welcome and thank you for starting the article and doing so much work on it. I'm embarassed to admit that I never knew about the massacre at the al-Aqsa Mosque until you started this article. I now know why, I checked and the US mainstream media coverage of the massacre was sporadic at best. The New York Times never ran new s article on the event--only tow op-eds that were basically apologies for the massacre. Shlama. --DieWeisseRose (talk) 05:52, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

Hello The White Rose

Well, it took a month or two but... go to Al Aqsa Massacre and see the rage. Thanks for your help. Bye !

84.227.142.232 (talk) 14:18, 8 November 2008 (UTC)Alaqsa8109084.227.142.232 (talk) 14:18, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

Regarding Userboxes
Notice: All of your Userboxes should be placed underUserboxes and in the sub-article accordingly. Wikipedia categorization isn't reserved for your own personal use, please stop wasting Wikipedia resources. Thanks. --Ramu50 (talk) 02:39, 24 November 2008 (UTC)


 * I don't know what your concern is about and I don't appreciate your tone. Who ever said categorization is reserved for my own personal use? --DieWeisseRose (talk) 02:11, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

Third Opinion
Hi, I have given a third opinion pursuant to a request on that noticeboard. I hope this helps resolve the dispute. Regards, Lazulilasher (talk) 20:40, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I've posted an third opinion on the talk page as well. - Cheers, Mailer Diablo 11:01, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

Gaza template?
Please give your input at the WP Palestine talk page. Cheers! --Al Ameer son (talk) 04:22, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

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