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 * 1989). “Circular RNAs: Relics of PrecellularEvolution?” Proc Natl. Acad. Sci. U S A. 86(23):9370-4.

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 * |pmid=16519798 |doi=10.1186/1471-2180-6-24 |pmc=1413538}} ) that consist of a short stretch a few hundred nucleobases of highly complementary, circular, single-stranded RNA.<ref name="

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 * States of America|PNAS]] |date=1989 |volume=86 |pages=9370-9374 |accessdate=November 1, 2014  ---that viroids may represent “living relics” of a hypothetical, ancient, and non-cellular

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 * of mild and severe strains of potato spindle tuber viroid," Nature 277, 60–62 (1979).

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User:Dienerto Edits: ok - or not?
FWIW - the following may be relevant:  Copied from => Talk:Viroid: User:Dienerto Edits: ok - or not?

Seems User:Dienerto (contribs), without discussion, has been rewriting several articles (ie, Viroid; RNA world hypothesis; Potato spindle tuber viroid; Circular RNA; Non-cellular life) - in order to promote himself, his own studies and his own WP:POV - in addition - seems the editor is attempting to remove references to other studies, again without discussion, that may not agree with his own studies or WP:POV - the editor may (or may not) be correct in the contents - a closer look at the edits may be indicated - nonetheless - possible issues of WP:COI, WP:PROMO, WP:OWN, and WP:SPA may apply - comments welcome - in any case - Enjoy! :) Drbogdan (talk) 14:05, 16 November 2014 (UTC)

Please discuss this at => Talk:Viroid - in any case - Enjoy! :) Drbogdan (talk) 14:05, 16 November 2014 (UTC)

Viroid
Hi Dr Diener,

Your recent changes have broken many of the references. The markup-that you removed is essential to generating the list at the bottom of the page. Perhaps you could list any changes needed on the Talk Page? Then I will add them to the article for you? Best wishes, Graham. Graham Beards (talk) 19:00, 24 November 2014 (UTC)


 * PS. As this is an encyclopaedia, not an on-line journal, our policy is to use secondary sources where possible seeWP:WPNOTRS, such as review articles listed on PubMed. Citations of the original research papers are suitable when discussing historical developments, but reviews in established academic journals are preferred sources for statements of current thinking. Graham. Graham Beards (talk) 19:14, 24 November 2014 (UTC)

Please, please do not remove the computer code that is needed to generate the list of references. Graham Beards (talk) 12:20, 26 November 2014 (UTC)

Dr Diener, this markup that you see when editing:
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is needed to generate the list of references at the bottom of the article. Please do not remove it.

And, please check the article history for changes since your last edit. Depending on your browser, there will be an option at the top which says "page" and a further option which says "history". This shows you who made the last edit, and they should give a reason why the change was made. (I always do this). Until you become more familiar with editing, it might be for the best if you request edits on the article's Talk Page, and I can then make the changes on you behalf. Graham Beards (talk) 12:47, 26 November 2014 (UTC)


 * You are continuing to remove the markup needed for the references. Can I suggest again that you list changes on the Talk Page until you are more accomplished at editing? Graham Beards (talk) 22:18, 30 November 2014 (UTC)

Hi Dr Diener. You are continuing to change mark up code in the reference templates as in "Author Link = Carl Zimmer". This code adds a link to the Wikipedia article; it does not change the format of the name in the list of references which remains as "Zimmer C." Also, you seem unaware of other editors changes and their edit summaries. Are you checking the Article History as I explained above? If you look here you will see the reasons given for the reverts I have made to your recent changes. Please do not revert the edits back without discussing them first on the article's Talk Page. Graham Beards (talk) 13:07, 8 December 2014 (UTC)

December 2014
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 * fingerprint of the RNA world. Flores, R., Gago-Zachert, S., Serra, P., Sanjuan, R., Elena, S.F. . "Viroids: Survivors from the RNA World?". Ann.Rev.Microbiol. 68: 395–414.(2014). Retrieved

Disruptive edits
Dr Diener,

Your edits are becoming disruptive and are contravening several of our policies and guidelines. I am most concerned that you are editing in your own interests, which should be declared as a conflict of interest and that you are operating a single-purpose account. As I have explained previously, we prefer secondary sources, but you continue to add citations to your primary publications, which could be seen as self-promotion. You have reverted several edits without explanation and seem unaware of article history pages. You continue to delete or change code that is required to generate the list of references, despite requests to stop and all the explanations given above. You are not responding to messages on your Talk Page, which makes it difficult to work with you. If you continue to edit in this way without discussion, I might consider blocking your account, which will mean that you can only edit your User Pages, not articles. I hope that it does not come to this and that you start to contribute to Wikipedia productively. Best wishes. Graham Beards (talk) 22:48, 8 December 2014 (UTC)

To Dr Beards: After days (and nights) of desperate, but useless efforts to talk on my dienerto talk page, arbitrary key pushing finally seemed to disclose my problem: I have to illogically push the "edit" key, as if I wanted to edit your last message. Anyway, I was jubilant and wrote a detailed response to your last message. Unfortunately, it was a pyrrhic victory, because overnight my message had been deleted from my talk page (No,I didn't forget to end it with the four "~"s). I therefore am again in a quandry as to whether you have received my message and therefore don't want to repeat my useless efforts to comprehend the cumbersome Wikipedia editing system (despite 20-odd years as an Editor for Plant Virology of "Virology"). Please, Dr Beards, let me know. I hate to be in the position, as I have been now for days, to give the impression that I brazenly disregard editors' correspondence. Nothing could be further from the truth. With kind regards, Ted DienerDienerto (talk) 10:38, 12 December 2014 (UTC)

Dr Diener,

I am sorry that you are still having problems in understanding how to edit Wikipedia. There is no record of your lost edit in the history list for this page. It was not deleted. I can only suggest that it was not saved. Did you press the "preview" tab but failed to press save? Anyhow, your latest message got through. Forgetting to sign would not have prevented the edit's being saved.

During your time as an Editor of "Virology" (which I remember) the publisher's typesetter would have dealt with all the final formatting needed before printing and publication. Here we have to do everything ourselves. I think you are treating the edit page as though it were a word processor, and although there are some similarities, the Wikipedia software is more sophisticated in some respects. For example, in your latest edits to Viroid (which I have had to revert because they caused problems again) there was no need to add bold and italics because the software takes care of this. All content enclosed thus and is handled by the software. If you change a "ref name" you have to do it throughout the article where the reference is reused.

Yes, the Edit tab can be confusing; it also allows you to add content, change content and reply to messages.

I still think it would be best for you to list any changes you want made to articles on the articles Talk Page. This way we can avoid and issues caused by broken markup and maintain neutral point of view which will prevent any further issues with a conflict of interest. Graham, Graham Beards (talk) 13:41, 14 December 2014 (UTC)

Dr Beards, Thank you very much for your message. I am embarrassed with my failure to still not comprehend Wikipedia's editorial system and I understand only too well that you must be at the end of patience with me. I have long thought highly of the ideas underlying Wikipedia and still hope to eventually become conversant with it and to be able to contribute to it. My contact with the encyclopedia goes back many yeas: it started when I discovered the then Viroid page, which was factual, except that---while crediting me for their discovery---ad me working at a university in Germany, instead of at the USDA in Beltsville. I used the "edit" command and changed it, wondering whether there would be a follow-up. There was none. I was impressed. I think this occurrence predisposed me to mistake Wikipedia's policy, at least today's, to above all else, endeavor to contain only correct information. Fast forward to today: I had no major complaint with the viroid page, until, that is, the New York Times article by Zimmer had been added to it, which, because of its serious shortcomings, surprised me. I thought I could repeat my earlier action and simply delete reference to it from the viroid page, as well as the other pages, it had been added to. But then, as you know, I ran into trouble. This time it was not sufficient to explain its seriously flawed nature, as I have described it, together with the article, on my facebook page: This, on the surface, is an excellent piece of popularized science; it suffers, however, from three serious defects: (1) the title (lacking a question mark) presents an unproven hypothesis as a scientific fact; (2) it implicitly gives credit for the hypothesis to Flores and co-authors when, in fact, it was conceived and published in 1989 by TO Diener (Proc.Natl.Acad.Sci.USA 86, 9370) and so acknowledged by Flores and co-authors, but which publication Zimmer fails to list or even mention---a serious break with scientific ethics and theft of Diener’s intellectual property;  (3)Zimmer’s piece is not based on “new evidence” as claimed, but on properties of viroids mostly known and listed in 1989.

I thought that, in view of its indisputable, uncontroversial flaws, Wikipedia would not wish to list it in any of its pages, but, as you know, I was wrong. I still have difficulty understanding an editorial policy, which knowingly allows faulty information to be listed, but have given in and accept the viroid page as it now stands.

The only problem that remains is a consequence of my lack of understanding the proper way to list references, and I would be most grateful to you, if you would make the appropriate changes, particularly also ref. No.7. Thank you in advance Ted DienerDienerto (talk) 19:02, 14 December 2014 (UTC)

Renewed editing
To Dr Beards, After my long absence, I wish to continue my editing and thereby learn to perform it properly. I shall start with a minor change in the Viroid page. With kind greetings, dienerto

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 * With Diener’s 1989 hypothesis name="Proc.Natl.Acad.Sci.USA,1989-TOD"  {{vcite2 journal | vauthors = Diener TO | title = Circular RNAs: relics of precellular evolution? |
 * by representing the most plausible RNAs capable of performing crucial steps in the evolution ( {{red|&#91;}} [Abiogenesis|]) of life from inanimate matter.

Theodor Otto Diener
Theodor Otto Diener (Dienerto) passed away in March 2023. (Obituary). He started editing Wikipedia towards the end of his life, focusing on Viroids, which he discovered. He confessed to not having a clue about how to edit, or our policies on conflicts of interest come to that, but I felt honored to be in a position to help him. We never met in real life, but I think I got to know him a little. Graham Beards (talk) 14:23, 12 December 2023 (UTC)