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August 2008
Welcome to Wikipedia. Thank you for reverting your recent experiment. Please take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to our encyclopedia. In the future, please do not experiment on article pages; instead, use the sandbox. Thank you. --Geniac (talk) 14:35, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

Cathedral of Quito Talk Page Stuff...
Hey Digirami, I saw your comments on the Cathedral of Quito talk page.

If you have trouble citing, you can read the citation guidelines here; if you got information from the web, then you can use the template, filling in all necessary blanks; the citation templates are suggested, though not required (unless you want this to be featured on the main page). Regardless, if you want to cite something, be sure not to forget to put afterwards so that it appears as a reference. If you would like to talk to me, you can contact me on my talk page.

The page is a good start; however, I think you could improve the article primarily by finding more specific information on the cathedral history on the web or any books you may have, as the chief Catholic church structure in a nation's capital city is bound to be well documented. ;)

Good luck and cheers, --Starstriker7(Say hior see my works) 21:37, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

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Yeh, the map I've made has got some errors I'll correct in the comming days. Thanks for having noticed them. By the way 16. Inca, El and 17. Iñaquito is right, because in spanish "ñ" is still a letter that comes after the "n", at least I haven't read yet any change announced by La Real Academia de la Lengua. Grettings.

LAR99 (talk) 05:13, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

Football table template
Hi, I simply created the template as a copy of Template:Fb cl team, as I wanted one with two points. The original is three points. Heightwatcher (talk) 22:03, 28 November 2008 (UTC)

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Population of Quito
Hi! Apparently you thought that the first figure of the population estimate was wrong, but it is actually 1 instead of 2, according to that Web page. The number I copied is the one under "Quito urbano", given that at least the number under "suburbano" is for rural parishes. The number under "total distrito" is the number for the whole canton. However, I'm not sure what "disperso urbano" means. --Gsfod (talk) 03:09, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

Argentine Primera
Those two teams I highlighted in red have inaccurate statistics, they have both played all 19 games. King of the  North East  01:18, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Don't worry about it, I've fixed the errors that stated that Argentinos and San Martín had only played 18 games in the Apertura and resolved a number of other issues too . Regards King of the  North East  00:21, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

Creating football biographies
Hi, when you create football biographies could you remember to add the appropriate categories and a defaultsort key like this. Cheers, King of the  North East  03:09, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

Copa libertadores 09
Why are only the teams eliminated added? Previously the 08 box, showed the current teams too. I'll edit it again, until you check, but if you edit it out again, then i'll talk to you again later.

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March 2009
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Updating 'Date'
Hi, I am really trying to understand your point of view, so maybe we can discuss it in our discussion pages instead of doing all these reverts. I will give you an example. If Serie A last played on March 15, but the classification was not updated until March 19, the date used at the bottom of the classification will still be March 15, and not March 19. If someone finds an error in the classification on March 21, the date will still remain March 15. Given this, my message would say "UPDATED TO GAMES PLAYED ON MARCH 15, 2009" which makes sense. Your message would say "LAST UPDATED ON MARCH 15, 2009" which does not reflect what is happening. Believe me when I say, the editors use the 'last game played' date when choosing the date, that way they know which games are missing and which games need to be added. I would like to know your opinion. AntropovNikki (talk) 16:56, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

Just a friendly question?

 * Hi, I was just wondering what's the point of the page Primera División de Paraguay 2009 when there are already 2009 in Paraguayan football and Torneo Apertura 2009 (Paraguay) which cover the same thing, won't this create the same thing that has happen in the Argentine season football articles and is yet to be resolve?--Bocafan76 (talk) 06:21, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Hi, again I understand what you mean about the "XXXX in country football" articles, I myself enjoy how the european season articles are done and also how you have manage the Ecuadorian league articles, the only problem I see is having the editors of other leagues change their current format, an another thing is the fact that there is a lack of information in some of the other latin american leagues an having more than the "XXXX in country football" is more than enough since you won't find any other information, I know 'cause I have work on different  "XXXX in country football" articles like the one for Paraguay, Uruguay, Guatemala and the one of Argentina as you well know, but as far as I go I agree with you, but I don't know about everybody else or their willingness to change, maybe you should try to talk to the main editors of the articles an just maybe they agree to change the current format.Good Luck --Bocafan76 (talk) 07:42, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Hi, part 3 :), well since this seasons are already in some cases half way of almost half way through I won't change them now, instead I will try to improve some of the season articles if possible next season, so they might be inline with their European counterparts. I know that the one of Argentina for sure as well as the one for Guatemala since I am their main editor, Paraguay and Uruguay not sure, but we'll see. Take Care --Bocafan76 (talk) 08:30, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Just wanted to say that, I posted my views on the discussion page Talk:Primera División Argentina 2008–09, let me know what you think or post it there.--Bocafan76 (talk) 21:10, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Hello again, am glad that you have made some progress into having a standard finally be establish in the South American articles. I have been spending sometime in the Spanish wikipedia as of late, trying to improve some articles, anyways keep up the good work.--Bocafan76 (talk) 22:29, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

April 2009
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Hello,

I'm concerned about your constant editing Of Primera División de México Clausura 2009. You have made 17 edits to it in the last 3 hours. And you have also edited the talk page at least 3 times. Also by reading what you wrote on the talk page, It is clearly obvious that you don't understand the way Mexican football works. There are 2 tournaments each year, it does not work the way it does in Europe, where there is only 1 tournament a year. also the Final is Officially called la Ligilla. Also I have reason to suspect that either you are a sock puppet of Black and Blue, Since he also shows up alot in the edit history, of this page. Also He seems to be the only one responding to your nonsense on the talk page. Joeloliv8 08:32, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

Image Primera División de México Clausura 2009
Hey, I do like what you have redone with the article but, there are two things I have written under discussion, that I will just paste here. On the stage names, I was looking through the FEMEXFUT site and could not find a direct translation to "Liguilla" thus why it has been named Liguilla on the engilsh version of this article. The reason the Liguilla has its own article is because the champions and the champions league qualification comes out of the Liguilla not from the regular season. The regular season only give teams the opportunity to qualify to the Liguilla and give spots in the South American tournaments. The Liguilla in the end has the same importance as the MLS Cup Playoffs since the champions are derived from that phase of the tournament.Hazerduz (talk) 16:54, 28 April 2009 (UTC-6)

Misspelling Quiroz
Can you please help fix the last name Quiroz with no written accent? . Quiroz because it ends in z has no written accent, not the same for Quirós because it ends in s. I think you changed the spelling for David Quiróz, also I can't change the spelling for Guillermo Quiróz, I have no access to move. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.16.127.63 (talk) 23:06, 7 June 2009 (UTC)


 * You're right, and wrong. You are right that Quiroz is without an accent. But you are wrong in that it should have no accent because it ends in a Z. My last name has a Z (Ramírez), and is written with an accent. Same goes with Hernández, Fernández, Rodríguez, Chávez, Vélez, Pérez, Álvarez, etc (pretty much every Spanish patronymic) is written with an accent and end with a Z. I also did not put the accent on the O; it was created that way. Digirami (talk) 23:42, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

Copa Libertadores
Before talking to topic, I'd like to introduce the auto-archiver for you. Cheers.

Thank you for your response for the edit. Actually, I can accept most of your point, but the third one is the one I am arguing with, and I don't agree with it.

Of course, I know that Team #1 vs. Team #2, and the game would not take aggregate result but the points between two teams. However, there is no rule that the Team #1 must be the higher seeded team in two-leg template practice. I know that CONMEBOL listed that higher seeded teams are the home team at the second leg, that mean the lower seeded teams are the home team at the first leg. According to the practice in CONCACAF Champions League 2008-09 English Wikipedia article, the home team of the first leg were listed as Team #1 despite the fact that CONCACAF listed those teams which play at home at second leg first. It shows that most of the editors prefer the home team at first leg as Team #1, despite the fact that the home team at the second leg listed first officially. Raymond Giggs 08:14, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
 * If seeding are important in the table, then the group winners should be the Team #1 in every article, strongly especially UEFA CL, as they regarded the group winners as home team. However, they regarded the home team of the first leg as Team #1, regardless where they finish in group. Raymond Giggs 09:08, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

User:Kaka12o
You should really tried to stop with edit warring with this user, you might get blocked. (three revert rule)  Black 'n Red  04:10, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

Torneo de Apertura de chile 2009
Hey, thank you for making the edits in the Torneo de Apertura de Chile 2009, I thought the article was getting too big. anyway, right now there is a problem with the standings table...I updated it today and it doesn't reflect the correct standings. can you help??? Chagousa (talk) 20:32, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

May 2009
You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war. Note that the three-revert rule prohibits making more than three reversions on a single page within a 24 hour period. Additionally, users who perform a large number of reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring, even if they do not technically violate the three-revert rule. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing. Please do not repeatedly revert edits, but use the talk page to work towards wording and content that gains a consensus among editors. If necessary, pursue dispute resolution. Raymond Giggs 13:33, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

2009 Copa Libertadores Final
I noticed you started the 2009 Copa Libertadores Final. I was wondering if it would be ok to move it to 2009 Copa Libertadores Finals considering a final isn't played like in the Champions League. Finals fits better because they do play two games, kind of like the NBA and its Finals. -- MicroX 21:07, 17 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Finals, with the S, would indicated that there are more than one. While it is two games, it's still just one final and one event. Digirami (talk) 22:06, 17 June 2009 (UTC)


 * If you look at it that way, then the first-leg would just be some game and the second-leg would be considered the "Final". Think about it. When you see the title 2009 Copa Libertadores Final. you'd expect to see one game like in the World Cup Final or Champions League Final. Yet in the Copa Libertadores you'll find two "finals". I've heard people on TV say "first final" and "second final" for the Copa Libertadores. -- MicroX 22:12, 18 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Actually, you could probably find a good case for plural and single. There are most likely ways you can make both work when talking about two games ties. Wonderful language we have here. Digirami (talk) 02:22, 23 June 2009 (UTC)


 * So do we move the article to Finals? I was looking at the rules of the tournament and CONMEBOL call it Finales therefore it should be Finals in English. -- MicroX 17:18, 25 June 2009 (UTC)


 * I just saw a document in English recently where the singular is used. So keep as is for the time being. Digirami (talk) 17:52, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

That's not fair. When you discovered that the different stages in the Copa Libertadores 2009 are called First/Second and not Preliminary/Group stage you changed it and you had evidence that it should be changed. Then I do the same thing and you don't listen. The English documents aren't reliable because they have a lot of mistranslations and use of Spanglish. -- MicroX 01:17, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

Economy section, Miami Dade County
I'm fine with the addresses being taken away. However the companies themselves should stay:
 * While there is more than Burger King, you should add to indicate that the section is not complete
 * I was really listing companies in unincorporated Miami-Dade - I added back BK and I added Air Florida, which no longer exists. I know at the end, Eastern Airlines was in the Miami area. I'll see where it was. WhisperToMe (talk) 21:49, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

Uniformes LDU
Eu que peço desculpas por saber escrever apenas em português, mas agradeço muito pela sua contribuição. Muito obrigado.Bruno-ban (talk) 17:21, 30 June 2009 (UTC) Uso apenas os programas Paint e Microsoft Office Picture Manager, o resto é criatividade. Obrigado pelo apoio. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bruno-ban (talk • contribs) 14:47, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Colombian league
The Colombia league will no longer be allowed to be called Copa Mustang next year. Would it be called by its new sponsored name or simply Colombian Primera A in the wikipedia article? Think about it, would you call the Ecuadorian league Serie A or Copa Credife? --MicroX (talk) 22:34, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

I was looking at the Reglamentacion published by DIMAYOR of Colombia. In Articles 21 and 32, they mention these divisions known as Primera A and Primera B. I assume Primera B is the second division and that the Primera A is the Copa Mustang. Would you be interested in renaming the article Colombian Professional Football to something like Colombian Primera A so we can get that Copa Mustang out of the way? --MicroX (talk) 06:15, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

Sebastian98 seems to be the main contributor in the Colombian league article. Should we notify him about this move? Should we put something in the discussion page? --MicroX (talk) 17:19, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

Starting round of Corinthians in Copa Libertadores 2010
Do you understand Portuguese? I'm reading the 2009 Brazilian league regulations. On Page 3, Article 7, it explains the qualification for Copa Libertadores 2010. Now if my educated guess is correct, according to the file, it seems to say:
 * a) If the Copa Libertadores 2009 champion is Brazilian, then #1 and #2 go to Second Phase, and #3 and #4 go to First Phase.
 * b) If the Copa Libertadores 2009 champion is not Brazilian, then #1, #2, and #3 go to Second Phase, and #4 goes to First Phase.

If this is correct, it'd imply that Corinthians, being the Copa do Brazil champion, would go to Second Phase regardless of whether the Copa Libertadores 2009 champion is Brazilian or not. Chanheigeorge (talk) 05:41, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

Category:The Football League seasons
I am in the process of requesting a bot to be made to move the English season articles to have the year first. However, I am not sure how to proceed with the articles in Category:The Football League seasons, as moving the year to the front would look a bit odd (e.g. 2009–10 The Football League). Do you think, in this case, we should just drop the "The", or is there another solution I've overlooked? – PeeJay 08:52, 19 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I think that keeping the "The" looks weird whether we add "season" or not. Personally, I'd prefer to stick with 2009–10 Football League. – PeeJay 09:44, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

Orphaned non-free media (File:LDU Quito logo.jpg)
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Primera División Argentina 2009-10 and Primera División Argentina 2009–10
Could you please merge the former into the latter and put a redirect on it? Thanks, Soccer-holicI hear voices in my head... 17:10, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

LDU de Quito current squad
Hello. I saw that you made the latest changes in LDU's current squad. But it's not the same as posted on the LDU's official website - for example there's no Ulises de la Cruz on the website, some jersey numbers are different etc. Which one is more accurate? --HSV (talk) 16:57, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Ok, thank you very much. I'm writing the Bulgarian article about LDU and wondered about those differeces. --HSV (talk) 08:10, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

Veracity of edits
Do you have sources on Ecuadorian football stats to verify or challenge a series of edits by a Spain-based unregistered editor? He (or she) seems to be increasing the number of caps players have earned, or giving them an earlier date for first cap, which makes me suspect that he is including games that are not full internationals, or is counting call-ups rather than actual participation in a game. Kevin McE (talk) 09:26, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

Argentine Woman's football league name
Hi! Thanks so much. Regards, --Carioca (talk) 21:32, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

Re: Live scores
Greetings. Sorry, if I've broken any rules but I was under the impression that this issue had not been resolved yet. See Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football. Cheers. Jhantor (talk) 01:21, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't think adding live scores in italics is emphasizing anything. Sure, it's treated differently, but this is simply to inform the reader that this match has not finished yet.  Posting match results is as much acting as a news service as posting live scores.  Anyway, to save argument, I won't add the two goals that were just scored.  Cheers mate. Jhantor (talk) 01:43, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

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What is ? You added it to 2009 Canadian Soccer Championship and since it displays a big white space in my browser (Firefox 3.0) I removed it. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 20:18, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
 * OK I understand, but those tables to stay together even at resolutions of less than 640 x 480. As such, you're just adding white space. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 22:07, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I didn't say white space wasn't necessary in some cases. It's not necessary in the case of the 2009 Canadian Soccer Championship article as in my browser, nothing is affected without your additional formatting code. So maybe you could indicate which browser you're using and which other ones you've tested this with because it's not an issue in mine. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 22:19, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Well then I'm doing it since I tried it a several resolutions and it makes no difference. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 00:28, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

2010 Copa Sudamericana
I know it's strange because the source says that all countries except Argentina and Brazil will gain an extra berth but then it says Argentina and Brazil will keep their 5 berths. Well, they never had 5 berths but it does say they will keep berths. I don't know if the source meant to put they will now have 5 berths (like in the Libertadores) or if they are keeping their 8 (Brazil) and 4 (Argentina) berths. Argentina has 4 berths because the other 2 berths were the Boca Juniors and River Plate invitations and apparently they won't be invited anymore. I'm just going to leave it like that to use less space and until CONMEBOL becomes clear about the subject. --MicroX (talk) 19:49, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, that source probably just meant keep berths for Sudamericana but were thinking of the 5 berths of the Libertadores. An honest mistake. Or the CONMEBOL probably said "keep the 5 berths for Sudamericana" and they, the source, just repeated what the CONMEBOL said and the CONMEBOL ended up making the honest mistake. --MicroX (talk) 20:24, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

Squad numbers
Hi, I see you added squad numbers for the new Wolves players, where did you find this out? Wolvesweb (talk) 15:19, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

Red cards in game results
Hi there! I was the guy who inserted the red cards into game results on FIFA WC qualification pages. Can you please tell me why you consider them unnecessary? Thx. —WiJG? 20:40, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

Managerial changes for Argentina 2008-09
I have made the changes that you requested as you can see and as for the possible renaming of the Primera División Argentina 2009–10, to be honest, I don't really care much about the name of the season articles, since the last name change. Anyways, take care. Bocafan76 (talk) 15:59, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

Christian Benitez
You can do both in England as well, and many do. But the Luke Freeman discussion concludes that, for the infobox, once a player has played for a club at senior level, he is into the senior part of his career, whether or not he plays for his club's junior sides thereafter. Life's too short to revert-war over it, but that's how I understand it's supposed to work :-) cheers, Struway2 (talk) 12:23, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I'd guess it's an arbitrary decision based on practicalities rather than on assuming there's no overlap between youth and senior careers. In very recent years in England the Premier League has run an Academy league with strict age rules, but reserve teams are open-age, and junior teams of lower-ranked clubs play in structures without such strict age rules, as did all teams until not long ago, so it's very fluid. To source the year at which any given player last played a "youth" match would be difficult, apart from at the biggest clubs, so I'd assume a convention grew up that a player's senior career was deemed to begin when he turned professional or played for a senior team, of which the Luke Freeman decision was an extreme case. (There were related discussions at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football/Archive 27 and Template talk:Infobox Football biography.) I tend to agree that the current method is to some extent misleading. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 13:42, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

Javier Flórez
Many thanks for that site! GiantSnowman 18:21, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

United Soccer Leagues 2009
I realize you are just trying to edit the page to match the rest of soccer, but there are a few things different about this page. First, we don't use the standard win-draw-loss standings format in America (as well as in Canada), here we use win-loss-tie, which is why we have our own wikitable format we use for our football/soccer standings. This is consistent with the rest of the soccer pages here, including the MLS pages, where there has been a good amount of discussion on what table format to use, and it has been decided to use the American format of standings for USA and Canadian soccer, and why I have undone or changed your edits a few times there. I'm not trying to be a jerk, make it personal, or start an edit war, I'm just explaining that there is a method to what we do on the USL pages. This is one of the reasons I have asked for discussions on the talk page before doing any drastic changes, so that there can be input from all sides invested before anything is done that may need to be changed back for the sake of consistency. Again, I'm not trying to be mean and insulting, and I apologize if that comes across like that, but please talk over any drastic changes beforehand, I'll be more than willing to engage in discussion about the matter. Cheers. Mtndrums (talk) 05:21, 20 September 2009 (UTC)
 * No offense taken. If there are tooltips that do keep the WLD format (best place to check to see if they exist is one of the MLS season pages), feel free to convert it to that. Mtndrums (talk) 02:55, 21 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I saw that once I did the final table edits for the season. Great work! Mtndrums (talk) 06:06, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

Primera Division
I saw the consistency on the national football team article namings and the football association articles of South America and was wondering if the Primera Division articles would have some consistency as well. Seeing as Colombian Primera A and the Peruvian Primera Division have not been opposed fiercely, I was wondering if you were would be in favor of renaming the Primera Division Venezonalo to Venezuelan Primera División or Primera División de Chile to Chilean Primera División. --MicroX (talk) 05:43, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

I'll try to work on the Colombian Primera A season articles. Like I mentioned a while back, as of 2010, the league will no longer be known as Copa Mustang because the government is going to make it illegal. Also, since the number of Copa Mustang articles is small, wouldn't it be appropriate to name them Apertura and Finalizacion. --MicroX (talk) 21:31, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

Primera Division (country) does seem to address the division better, I would prefer it over the use of "de", though I was looking at Paraguay's league and though the front page of the APF names it Primera Division, its "Estatutos" names is Division de Honor. --MicroX (talk) 21:51, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

After giving it some more thought, maybe we should go with Primera División of [Country] naming, so the cross-language doesn't look so off like in Mexican Primera Division.--MicroX (talk) 01:07, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

189.30.65.29
I've blocked 189.30.65.29 for 31 hours for disruptive editing. When you see such disruption, you should warn the IP, and if the disruption continues, contact an admin. Have a nice day! AdjustShift (talk) 18:34, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

Galápagos Islands
Would you please comment at Talk:Galápagos Islands. Johnuniq (talk) 08:15, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

Ligas Superiores del Peru
While checking Category:2009 domestic football (soccer) leagues, I stumbled upon an article named Ligas Superiores del Peru 2009. The corresponding main article revealed that these leagues are located on the fifth step (out of seven) of the Peruvian football league system.

The main article tends towards a "keep" for me as this step might just be notable enough to warrant an article. However, I don't really know what to do about the season article (PROD or not?). Since you clearly are a little deeper in (Latin) American football than I am, what is your opinion in this case? --Soccer-holicI hear voices in my head... 10:19, 22 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Okay, thanks! *c+p to User talk:MicroX* --Soccer-holicI hear voices in my head... 11:07, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

River Plate Montevideo
Are you joking me???, if you want to make fun on sports victories then go to forums and show off, but wikipedia is not the correct place for that kind of attitudes.

No team-article, in the entire wiki, has a register of their defeats on their historical matches. For god sake, who do you believe you are talking to?, if you keep on doing this kind of bad jokes I will report on you to the web masters.

Please, stop this nonsenses.

'''Well, I thought you were smarter... be sure of one thing, I ALWAYS CHECK RIVER PLATE'S ARTICLE''' —Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.135.27.188 (talk) 19:30, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

PD: Furthermore, you pretend to sound sensible, but the true is that you are inidian of ecuatorian descendents, so, it's almost obvious that the reason of including that match in the River Plate's historical matches section is not the amount of the score, but to make fun on River Plate fans.

PD2: If you want to register that match, do it in LDU Quito article, not in River Plate one. —Preceding unsigned comment added by VH1982 (talk • contribs) 16:28, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

Vélez Squad for Copa Sudamericana 2009
Hi, even-though I don't mind the removal, I would like to point out that this separate squad section has been used before in two other articles, one of them was the Boca Juniors article and the other one was River Plate article, the separate squads were for the 2009 Copa Libertadores. In this two cases the other squad section was useful specially for River, since the players were not the same as the ones that played in the Argentine league, but I see that in the case of Vélez it was useless, since it was the same players and the same numbers. Regards--Bocafan76 (talk) 10:10, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

Recopa Sudamericana
Change the colors if you want but read each tournament, please. There is a reason for everything.Jamen Somasu (talk) 19:46, 13 December 2009 (UTC)

Renaming of Latin American leagues
Yo Digs,

I just wanted to ask if there is any progress on renaming the Latin American Leagues, because there are still some articles to be moved in Category:2009 domestic football (soccer) leagues and, since today, Category:2010 domestic football (soccer) leagues. Can those moves be executed now or should I still wait?

On a somehow related topic, how should the season articles of the Liga Nacional de Fútbol de Honduras be handled? There are currently Apertura and Clausura articles for this league. Cheers, Soccer-holicI hear voices in my head... 13:03, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

Supercopa Sudamericana
I would really like you to help me update the Supercopa Sudamericanas so we can get the CONMEBOL tournaments up and running. It looks really crappy that half of the tournaments from our confederation aren't even up.

If you could update one edition of the tournament per day it would really help. Jamen Somasu (talk) 01:12, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

I have done 1988 completely. I am halfway done for 1989 (I just need to do the final).

If you could finish 1990 tomorrow it would be great. Since the tournament would look extremely crappy if we used a KO bracket (given how irregular the competition was) I simply used the simple method you would see in 1988 and 1989.

Please follow it.Jamen Somasu (talk) 01:15, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

Liga Deportiva Universitaria de Quito
Hi. I didn't completely remove the kits from the Liga Deportiva Universitaria de Quito article, I merely changed to a cleaner representation. Please look at club articles that have reached featured article status such as Gillingham F.C. or Arsenal F.C.. In these there is not the excess detail I have removed, cluttering up what is, according to Template:Football kit, only meant to be an approximate representation of the kit. Dancarney (talk) 21:04, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

Primera División
I do not want to fight and i found a solution................A mixture of your page with mine. What do you think?

What do you think? --MicroX (talk) 23:27, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

Carlos Espínola
The Sporting Nationality is Paraguayan. The Ecuadorian Nationality is only for internal purposes (as you explained, in Ecuador are permitted only 4 foreigners in each team). This is the case in Europe, in many leagues (Italy, Spain etc.), so Southamerican Players acquires some EU nationality, for not being considered foreigners. But their sporting Nationality remains that of the country they played for. So, even if for the Ecuadorian FA Espínola is Ecuadorian, his sporting nationality is Paraguayan. Wikipedia is not an Ecuadorian FA site, is an international site with correct informations. Andrei.besutiu (talk) 14:44, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

Primera División
Like i said the article your redirecting is just you erasing the previous season. The mexican season does not count like La liga and from what i see every apertura and clasura has an article.

December 2009
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 * Hello, stop, now. I will list this at ANI if needed, but stop restoring warning templates, period. Read the italizied part of my above message, especially the WP:REMOVED part. See also WP:BITE. Aboutmovies (talk) 23:49, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

Edit war
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Picoaza
Thank you very much for the feedback! WhisperToMe (talk) 20:36, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

Primera Division de Mexico Bicentinario 2010
Hi, I was just going to ask if there is going to be one article or two for the 2009–10 Mexican League. Since it has started already.  GoPurple 'n  Gold24   04:24, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
 * It seems that someone already created an article should it be merged with the Apertura 2009 article?  GoPurple 'n  Gold24   02:32, 21 January 2010 (UTC)

My contribution makes more sense so if you want to keep undoing then just ill put my info on your made up erased article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kkonghello (talk • contribs) 06:03, 21 January 2010 (UTC)

Examples that you say don't matter if your so right than get a top wikipedia guy to tell me that. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kkonghello (talk • contribs) 06:11, 21 January 2010 (UTC)

Question re: Articles for deletion/Carlos Cedeño
Hi there! I just contributed to the above-referenced AfD and had a question (which I also brought up in the discussion). Is this a list of the current players on the team? If so, I think I agree with your AfD nom and will change my vote. ɠǀɳ̩ςεΝɡ bomb 07:08, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

2010 MLS standings
Hey, the changes you made to the standings tables look great, because the tables don't look so spread out now. But looking at them now, I think they almost look too crowded. Do you think we might add just a bit more room to the team columns? Also, is there any way you could copy those changes to the 2009-2007 pages so that we have some uniformity? Have a good one. -- <font color="#BF0A30">Grant <font color="#FFFFFF">. <font color="#002868">Alpaugh  17:54, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Either one of those (removing the bolding or slightly widening the column) would be okay by me. I actually like that now it's the normal width for the rest of the footy articles, so maybe unbolding the names would be best.  Either way, I'll work with you on trying to standardize this format backwards.  I'm even interested in trying to rework the 1996-2006 season articles so that they are standardized as well.  Hey, at least with MLS we've only got 15 seasons to worry about, rather than 100 or so like some of the European Leagues.  All the best.  --  <font color="#BF0A30">Grant <font color="#FFFFFF">. <font color="#002868">Alpaugh  13:46, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

Colombian football template
Hey, why are you reverting my edits on the Football in Colombia template? I am trying to unify all the data in one single template that can go on all Colombian Soccer related articles--Camilo Sanchez (talk) 05:43, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

Dude
Why did you delete the logos on the Primera A template??? --Camilo Sanchez (talk) 05:46, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

CopaLib template
Seeing as how a new one is being used, wouldn't the old  be obsolete? --MicroX (talk) 22:01, 26 April 2010 (UTC)


 * So you're saying that the  display this instead:
 * {| class="wikitable" style="text-align: center;"

!colspan=3|Teams !colspan=2|Scores !colspan=3|Tie-breakers !width="175"|Team #1 !width="50"|Points !width="175"|Team #2 !width="55"|1st leg !width="55"|2nd leg !width="50"|GD !width="50"|AG !width="50"|Pen.
 * } --MicroX (talk) 02:14, 27 April 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for helping fix the line-ups in the 2010 CONCACAF Champions League Finals article
Digirami,

Thank you so much for helping to improve the 2010 CONCACAF Champions League Finals article. When I saw that the article had yet to be created and it was already the day of the second leg, I tried to get something together, but I'm not the best with creating new articles or formating them correctly. I really appreciate your help on this article, especially with regards to the line-ups. Thanks again!

TFCforever (talk) 15:28, 29 April 2010 (UTC)

Primera Division de Peru seasons naming conventions
I guess I could rename all of 1966-2009 to XXXX Torneo Descentralizado (I found some new evidence that they were actually called Torneo Descentralizado since its inception) and anything 1965 and before as XXXX Peruvian Primera Division season and some as XXXX Peruvian Primera Division (because some seasons in the 20s-30s-40s-50s weren't composed of several stages; instead just simple todos-contra-todos leagues). --MicroX (talk) 21:18, 29 April 2010 (UTC)

May 2010
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Recopa Sudamericana winners
Started working on the list for the Recopa Sudamericana winners. So if you get the urge to do it, no need; I started on it. Almost done. --MicroX (talk) 08:09, 5 May 2010 (UTC)


 * On the Copa Sudamericana, I think we can put the winners table in the Copa Sudamericana since fewer-than-average finals have been disputed. I think once 10 finals have been played, the winners can be removed from the article. --MicroX (talk) 23:43, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

Table format dispute
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Vandalism
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Speedy deletion of Template:Fb cl-non grp header
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Re: Templates for deletion
The handful of articles you mentioned has been cleaned up with the appropriate instances of Fb cl header. However, the question remains if the option of displaying only one word in the last column should be included and if so, how. By the way, sorry for littering your talk page with all these notices, the tool I use for these tasks does it automatically. --Soccer-holicI hear voices in my head... 22:35, 7 May 2010 (UTC)

Re: Inquiry on the LPF
Hello, This is actually a complex situation which is also closely tied with the lower division. The 2009 Apertura I and II are part of the same season where originally the "Apertura II" tournament would've been the Clausura, however, among the new changes made to the league was that it would parallel the European league systems. In other words, instead of the clausura tournament ending in December (which marked the end of an LPF yearly-season), it was moved to July so it ended right about the same time European league's did. So the 2009 season of the LPF started with the Apertura I and finished with the Apertura II. However, this also brings another problem for the Apertura-Clausura format used in the project for the next 3 seasons due to relegation and promotion in the LPF.

It was decided that the Liga Nacional de Ascenso 2010-11 season would be canceled for 5 months and re-start on May 22 2010 and end sometime May 2011. What this means to the LPF is that the aggregate table of the 2010 Clausura and Apertura, and 2011 Clausura seasons are going to be determining who gets demoted. In order words, the 2010 Clausura article is going to have to be merged with the 2010 Apertura and 2011 Clausura article as well because it is, essentially, part of the 2010-11 LPF season. After these seasons are over than the Apertura and Clausura format that is currently used in other leagues will fit perfectly.

If you have any more questions feel free to ask, I hope this was not too confusing and that it gave you a clearer picture of what was happening in the LPF.--Burilu (talk) 22:36, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

yes, that sounds about right--Burilu (talk) 01:51, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

May 2010
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Copa fb round templates
Would you be in favor of changing the fb round templates, such as this one, into the correct format? Since the change to the Copa Libertadores stages was made (i.e. Preliminary Round to First Stage), we should also change the template names to carry the same name (meaning 1S, 2S or GS). Also, what would be the best way to do this? Delete and make new, or redirect? --MicroX (talk) 22:48, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

Mediation Cabal Case closed
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Spaces in scorelines
Hi man, I can understand why we should not have spaces within football scores in regular prose, but in the footballbox template, it looks far better with the spaces. Since the footballbox is not prose, I don't see why we should apply grammatical rules at the expense of aesthetics. – PeeJay 09:16, 12 June 2010 (UTC)
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2010 Campeonato Ecuatoriano de Fútbol Serie A
Hey just had a few questions to bounce off you. For the information bar on the top right. Should we order the competitions in order. i.e. The 2010 Copa Sudamericana being placed first then adding the 2011 Copa Libertadores second? Also, LDU Quito is qualified for the 2010 Copa Sudamericana, should they be added to the list with a note of being title holders? Thank Birdy (talk) 00:20, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah that makes sense now. It would be good information to note it somewhere that LDU Quito is qualified for the tournament some where wouldn't it?Birdy (talk) 01:05, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Wow sorry for bothering you, I already read that before. Total over sight on my part. Birdy (talk) 01:35, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

File:US Soccer logo.svg and United States men's national soccer team
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List of Copa Sudamericana winners
I have nominated the List of Recopa Sudamericana winners list to become a FL and it looks like it will finally happen in a few days. Seeing that you have contributed about as much as I did on the List of Copa Sudamericana winners, why don't you nominate the list yourself for FL status? I'll help promoted and fix whatever complains it receives. From the looks of it, it is nearly FL material. Jamen Somasu (talk) 19:14, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

South American club football winners
Seeing that you and MicroX has been the most notable contributors to South American club football competitions, I want to invite you two to help build and promote this project. Personally, I think it is 70% done. Here is the discussion. Jamen Somasu (talk) 00:03, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

1968 Copa Libertadores
Could you go all the way down to the bottom of that page? There should be the finals' article for this edition. Open it by just adding a letter. I have a full article waiting to go there. Thanks. 68.218.22.164 (talk) 18:01, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

Template:CONMEBOL TOC
Hey there. As you work a lot on South American football, I thought you might be interested in the newly-created CONMEBOL TOC. An example of it in use can be found at List of top-division football clubs in CONMEBOL countries, which I hope to eventually take back to featured list. Regards, --WFC-- 01:27, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

Score spacing
You do realize that every score in every previous round is spaced after the first number and before the second, right?

I am just saying that it should be kept uniform. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.219.14.98 (talk) 13:01, 17 August 2010 (UTC)


 * No. That would be an improper use of the n-dash. Digirami (talk) 18:32, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

Recopa Sudamericana
La Recopa es conocida como "Recopa Sudamericana de Clubes" officialmente? Si asi es el caso, tienes una fuente? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 1930fwc (talk • contribs) 19:47, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

Viendo el estilo, se ve que el nombre del tema y arriba es solo el nombre mas simple de la competicion; pero en la introduccion, se pone el nombre completo. Por eso elimine la parte "de Clubes" del nombre arriba de la cajita derecha. 1930fwc (talk) 20:03, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

Oye, como puedo subir imagenes? Y quieres habrir un club sobre el futbol suramericano?

Digi, quieres ayudarme en las paginas de la Recopa? Voy a hacer que todos se vean igual. 1930fwc (talk) 15:07, 25 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Un club sobre editores de futbol de suramerica. Quieres hacer uno? E visto que hay algo que se llama Wikiproject Football Europe, Wikiproject football, etc. Pero no veo nada de Suramerican. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 1930fwc (talk • contribs) 12:54, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

2010-11 Venezuelan Primera division season
Amigo, si revisas el modelo que se está empleando como plantilla para la edición de las tablas de posiciones, por decir algo, en la liga española que acaba de comenzar, te das cuenta que el formato que tienes, ademàs de ser desordenado, es poco llamativo y menos gráfico. Te agradezco la aclaratoria, pero por favor, antes de hacer un cambio o una revisión, primero verifica... —Preceding unsigned comment added by David al Saffah (talk • contribs) 00:26, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

Aariix3
hi. hi you recently removed my change in the Article Ecuador I'm sorry for not putting the reasons of the change i forgot, can i edit it again and put the reasons of the change? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Aariix3 (talk • contribs) 02:37, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

List of first association football internationals per country
Thanks for sorting out the notes for me; I see how to do it now. Daemonic Kangaroo (talk) 07:39, 28 October 2010 (UTC)

Appearances in CL top goalscorers
Hi Digirami,

I'm planning on restoring the "Appearances" column in the top scorers table of the current Champions League page once the table is otherwise updated from today's matches. I can see how you might think it wouldn't be very helpful right now, but especially as the competition continues, it gives some interesting insight into scoring frequency. Minutes played only gives part of the story. Moreover, previous Champions League season pages have included this column. If you'd still like to change that going forward, I'd be interested to hear your rationales. Best, --BDD (talk) 23:11, 3 November 2010 (UTC)

Primera Argentina
Hey, I was reading the Spanish versions of the Primera Division of Argentina for the last few seasons and I was surprised to see that the qualification methods is by an aggregate table and not points-per-match aggregate table. I checked the regulations for the 2010/11 season and it supports the Spanish version. So on a side note, a newly promoted team would not be able to qualify for Copa Libertadores by the end of this year (2010) because they will have only played 19 games whilst the rest will have played 38. However, the averages are still used for relegation, so that wouldn't change. --MicroX (talk) 06:45, 16 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Misreading what? Egg on your face? The only point I wanted to make was that a Tabla Acumulada was needed for the Copa Libertadores qualification section and I was letting you know since you're one of the biggest contributors to the South American sesasons. I see that you have already made the change. The side note was just an interesting fact I realized, apart from points 9 and 10 of the prom./rele. restriction that I was already aware of. Cheers, MicroX (talk) 00:49, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Ok, no prob. I've started working on the 2008-09 table which is the one that spans three tournaments unless you already started. --MicroX (talk) 01:55, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

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Libertadores and Sudamericana templates
I consider it totally unnecessary to use naming rights or official competition names in this case. As you disagreed and reversed, I will not proceed with the change. Thanks, Jonas kam (talk) 07:24, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

Ronaldo
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2010–11 FC Barcelona season
So you've taken ownership of the article? Your changes are not necessary so why make them? La Fuzion (talk) 21:24, 20 February 2011 (UTC)

Real Madrid season page
Thank you for cleaning up and organizing the article in a more logical manner, and also good work on making the footballbox collapsible template consistent with the usage in other articles. Xboxandhalo2 (talk) 18:26, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

Flamengo in the Copa Sudamericana
When I said first stage I was refering to first stage for the Brazilian clubs. Second, I don't know if you have watched the past editions of Copa Sudamericana, but as I said, in the second stage (first for the Brazilian clubs), since 2007 edition, Brazilian teams play against another brazilian team. Brazil 1 against Brazil 8, Brazil 2 against Brazil 7, Brazil 3 against Brazil 6, Brazil 4 against Brazil 5. In this case, according to the last season Brazilian Série A table Brazil 1 is Atlético Paranaense, and will play against Brazil 8, which is Flamengo. Xguilex (talk) 03:07, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

Copa Libertadores
Greetings,

Understood the reasons for portuguese name removal, I must say that if you look at the Conmebol wikipage will find the name of the institution in both languages. It has nothing to do with the fact of anglo-speakers recognize one of the languages in common usage; it's, certainly, about giving information like Conmebol is a bilingual institution because of one of its members. Now, I don't see any problem about keeping both names like general information for non-portuguese neither spanish speakers. You take the "public opinion" side of the issue to determinate your position, I give reasonable illustrated arguments (like half of the Copa/Taça Libertadores audience in the region is brazilian); and important community that must be represented in these kind of info sources.

About Atlético Nacional add, you didn't say what's the mistake. I write about andean south american countries, which is an existing article in Wikipedia. Again, I give reasons with sources, you provide opinions.


 * It's not less important to mention the fact of Atlético Nacional being from the Pacific or an Andean country. It's important because the name of the section (above) is "Pacific emergence" (didn't you see it?). Entitled like this (wasn't me who did it) needs an important fact to remark that "different" thing that happened. So, it's actually as important saying that is a colombian time as saying that Colombia isn't a South Cone country (you might thing it's irrelevant, but maybe saying "Pacific countries" or andean doesn't have any meaning to people in other continents who really don't know the South American inside differences).


 * Maybe this time you understand what I mean.

Cheers. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Coyinyo (talk • contribs) 01:58, 6 March 2011 (UTC)

Thanks
I probably should have asked here instead of reverting. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 05:52, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

Puerto Rico seasons
You might try asking. He has been working on creating and expanding several CONCACAF season articles as of lately, so he could probably be able to provide some more information. No guarantee, though. ^_^ ごきげんよう！ --Soccer-holicI hear voices in my head... 10:47, 10 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Hey Digirami, thanks for adressing this issue to me. Perhaps it is inaccurate to call the 2010 Puerto Rico Soccer League season an official PRSL season, but I would say it was, more or less, the official season because it named the qualifiers from Puerto Rico for the 2011 CFU Club Championship competition. The 2010 season was supposed to be a much larger competition, but apparently was called off due to financial difficulties. Also, at this time, I cannot find any official information about the 2011 PRSL season. But considering that 4 Puerto Rican clubs are playing in US-based leagues this season, it would not surprise me if the PRSL decides to hold a short tournament, similar to last year's, that would name the country's CFU Club Championship participants late in the year, but that is just speculation on my part. --Rougue1987 (talk) 23:55, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

Re: 2011 Campeonato Brasileiro Série A
I don't necessarily agree but understand your explanation. Thanks ! The only thing that comes up is why don't you delete these info from the European leagues, since they don't comply with the agreed format ? Best, Adriano - Maesano (talk) 00:56, 15 March 2011 (UTC)

Reverting the attack
Hi, your welcome. I know that sometimes we users might not agree in certain things, but personal attacks are uncalled for. After posting the warning to his talk page, I saw his contributions and saw the post you made about him on Footy. Anyways take care. --Bocafan76 (talk) 14:53, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

Nice catch
on the Cup Winners Cup one. I'm no football expert (and probably wouldn't have thought anything of the title), but as soon as I saw 'Shewsbury' [sic] in it, and then Hereford playing Benefica, that was it. I deleted it as 'hoax' but left your reason as well. (My football knowledge is such that I couldn't even tell you the winner of the last English Cup Final...) Peridon (talk) 21:40, 4 April 2011 (UTC)

Disruptive editing
Can we have Alanmerrigan block as he is making disruptive edits to the 2011 Copa América article? La Fuzion (talk) 16:39, 5 April 2011 (UTC)

2010–11 Manchester City F.C. season
FYI there's another thread relating to the 2010–11 Manchester City F.C. season business at User_talk:Oldelpaso. I've been directing people to WikiProject Football/Club seasons. I saw your WT:WPF post about your sandbox, but some of the participants might not like to hold the discussion in your userspace, whereas the project is a neutral venue. Oldelpaso (talk) 19:26, 8 April 2011 (UTC)

Flags in 2011 São Paulo F.C. season
Hi there. I saw you removed every flag in the Campeonato Brasileiro section at the São Paulo's season article and I have a question. Why do the flags bear no relevance at Campeonato Brasileiro but do bear at Copa do Brasil? (It's just a question, I don't know the entire rules for using flas in WP and would like to understand it) Regards! Edmurbobby (talk) 23:50, 23 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Understood! Thank you! Edmurbobby (talk) 00:47, 24 April 2011 (UTC)

2010–11 Turkish Cup
Hello there! Please don't take this personally and I don't want to start an edit war, but we have to revert your team name shortenings in this article. İstanbul Büyükşehir Belediyespor (football team) is always referred to as İstanbul B.B. or Büyükşehir Belediyespor in Turkey, not just Istanbul because there is also an İstanbulspor A.Ş. club which in fact is called İstanbul in short. Also Beşiktaş is a town, and the name of the club is Beşiktaş J.K. Thanks for the logo image size corrections and editing out the flags though. I just learned about the correct flag policy and you are right about it. — <font face="verdana" color="112233">Ekin ( talk·@ ) 17:46, 28 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Hi there again. I am happy we resolved this issue. By the way I apologise for the flag reversion. As I said before I did not mean to insult you or start an edit war. I realised you were right about the flag policy, just after the undo, which was wrong. Accept my apologies. — <font face="verdana" color="112233">Ekin ( talk·@ ) 21:47, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

Libertadores bracket
Hey. You told me a while ago (during Sudamericana 2010) that since aggregate scores are not taken into consideration, then the articles should be using bracket templates with only the results of the two legs like in their Spanish counterparts and no aggregate scoring showing. I think this would be the most appropriate template: Template:Round16-2legs. I put it up for deletion (since it isn't being used) but afterwards I remembered what you said and if this should be the CSF cup template, then we don't have to delete it. I also tested the code and the seeds can be moved around in case of the whole semifinal-pairings-change-due-to-same-country-teams rule. -MicroX (talk) 05:08, 2 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Played around with the code and I managed to add the seeding to each round. --MicroX (talk) 18:14, 2 May 2011 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Template:Primera Division Uruguaya playoff
Template:Primera Division Uruguaya playoff has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. MicroX (talk) 19:20, 2 May 2011 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Carlos Sevilla


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Flags in Japanese map templates
Dude, why did you decide to replace them? Flags looks better than dots, that's why I've chosen them in the first place. —WiJG? 04:34, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

SoBe 10
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Round numbers
No extra information is conveyed by adding "Round" before each La Liga match. In fact, I see it as excessive since only using the match number provides just as much information. More importantly, there exists no official name for each fixture, so you can freely call it "Round" or "Match" or "Week" or "Fixture" or other things; the use of an arbitrary title is not appropriate. Further note the precedents set here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here amongst many many others. Thanks! Xboxandhalo2 (talk) 18:40, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

Preseason
Hey, preseason is mostly under all other competitions, because this is not a competition. Chronological is not important there. Kante4 (talk) 19:56, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

South American football WikiProject
I would but I don't have the time to do so. I don't edit as much as I use to. --MicroX (talk) 02:57, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

Spaces
Hey, you really don´t like them or? Kante4 (talk) 20:30, 5 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Ok, seriously. What is your problem with having spaces? An answer would be nice. Kante4 (talk) 23:06, 7 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Then why is on the most article spaces where you remove them? Kante4 (talk) 23:12, 7 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Nope, don´t see a missing word, but an answer would be nice once again. Kante4 (talk) 23:16, 7 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I see, you don´t want talk about that, ok good to know... Don´t know why you don´t understand that sentence as you say, so. Kante4 (talk) 23:27, 7 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I don´t care what you have to say about this sentence or my english, Mr. Superteacher. But it´s ok now... Makes no sense to continue this conversation. Kante4 (talk) 23:44, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

Flags
So you think that a flag should be put beside a competition then, instead of beside a club? Like this:

Honours
Kaiserslautern
 * 🇩🇪 Bundesliga (1): 1998

Bayer 04 Leverkusen
 * 🇩🇪 Bundesliga (1): 2002 (Runner-up)
 * 🇩🇪 DFB-Pokal (1): 2002 (Runner-up)
 * UEFA Champions League (1): 2002 (Runner-up)

Bayern Munich
 * 🇩🇪 Bundesliga (3): 2003, 2005, 2006
 * 🇩🇪 DFB-Pokal (3): 2003, 2005, 2006
 * 🇩🇪 DFB-Ligapokal (1): 2004

Chelsea
 * 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 League Cup (1): 2007
 * 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 FA Cup (3): 2007, 2009, 2010
 * UEFA Champions League (1): 2008 (Runner-up)
 * 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 FA Community Shield (1): 2009
 * 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 Premier League (1): 2010


 * So how can you say "If a French player is awarded a medal for playing in a German team, the German flag would be used in a table of awards" if it is not possible to do. Strange... 62.50.175.31 (talk) 22:57, 5 July 2011 (UTC)


 * What about: 🇩🇪 Random Frenchguy... 62.50.175.31 (talk) 22:57, 5 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Well, that contradicts the "if a French player is awarded a medal for playing in a German team, the German flag would be used in a table of awards"-statement. 62.50.175.31 (talk) 22:57, 5 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Hey, here's an idea; why don't you show an example of how you can can use the statement above. Where do you put the German flag on that French playsers profile. And what if the French player also is awarded a medal in Spain; should you add a Spanish flag in the table of awards?.. 62.50.175.31 (talk) 22:57, 5 July 2011 (UTC)


 * So why does it state "A German team"? 62.50.175.31 (talk) 23:15, 5 July 2011 (UTC)


 * To say it in another way; why does it not state "A German national team"? 62.50.175.31 (talk) 18:44, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

Copa
2 things, first if you want to help with images or want to know how it works i can help you here or at commons, second we need to find the attendance for each match somehow. Kante4 (talk) 00:00, 8 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Tell me here or there and after the tournament? Lame. ;) Tried espnsoccernet and soccerway but no luck. Kante4 (talk) 00:06, 8 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Ayovi plays left back so please don´t change it again, i watched the game until now and he was left back the whole time. Kante4 (talk) 22:57, 9 July 2011 (UTC)
 * And? I did that so far to all images i created, Women world cup, here and other competitions. I used the formations for the asian cup from the official site but was held back from several people because they made mistakes and heard what other people said that watched the game on tv and after that i did the same... Kante4 (talk) 23:03, 9 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Yep, Moreno was my bad and will be fixed now. But again, iwatched this game and made the lineup after watching it. That´s enough for me. Kante4 (talk) 23:13, 9 July 2011 (UTC)
 * But when they are wrong, and they clearly are, i change that. Of course i have no source but more people watch the match and could agree with me if needed. Kante4 (talk) 23:19, 9 July 2011 (UTC)
 * When i take the formation from conmebol and some people say i was wrong it´s not right either, i will stay by my method! Kante4 (talk) 23:48, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

Club names in box?
Hi there DIGIRAMI, VASCO from Portugal here,

could you please leave VALLADOLID in box? REAL VALLADOLID in intro or storyline, let's keep box compressed ok?

Attentively, happy week - --Vasco Amaral (talk) 08:19, 11 July 2011 (UTC)


 * No, my friend. I have very often hear EVEN Spanish broadcasters and akin call the club only "Valladolid", and also in England. Same goes for all the other "Reals". I also think we can have "Newell's" only in box.

I mean, if we have "Valladolid" only in box, or "Zaragoza" or "Murcia", who is going to confuse them with other teams? Certainly not me. :) --Vasco Amaral (talk) 08:46, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

Appreciation
Hi there DIGIRAMI, VASCO here,

only now noticed this (see here http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:VascoAmaral&diff=438878166&oldid=438877610), many thanks. I usually "archived" old messages by simply removing them!

Attentively, happy weekend - --Vasco Amaral (talk) 16:32, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

Notability of players in Chile
Hello. Given your knowledge of South American football, I was hoping you could help out here. Thanks. <font style="color:#014421;">Argyle 4 Life <font style="color:#4863A0;">talk 08:31, 16 July 2011 (UTC)

July 2011
You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war&#32; according to the reverts you have made on Gabriel Milito. Users are expected to collaborate with others, to avoid editing disruptively, and to try to reach a consensus rather than repeatedly undoing other users' edits once it is known that there is a disagreement. In particular, Wikipedia's policy on edit warring states: If you find yourself in an editing dispute, use the article's talk page to discuss controversial changes; work towards a version that represents consensus among editors. You can post a request for help at an appropriate noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases it may be appropriate to request temporary page protection. If you continue edit warring, you may be blocked from editing. Alexf(talk) 11:46, 29 July 2011 (UTC)
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 * 2) Do not edit war even if you believe you are right.

Player names
Hi, just fyi, the documentations for the templates fb si player, fb in2 player, and fb out2 player all use the players' name on their jersey as the display. Perhaps that is something that needs to be changed. <b style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#314 0em 0em 0.7em,#5a0 -0.2em -0.2em 0.7em,#00a 0.2em 0.2em 0.7em;color:#159">Bobby</b> (talk) 21:00, 4 August 2011 (UTC)


 * I brought this issue up at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Football. Please do not edit the templates in question until after this has been resolved. Vanadus (talk) 07:41, 5 August 2011 (UTC)

Transfers in/out
I have restored the original organizational structure on the Real Madrid season page because "Transfers in" and "Transfers out" may be ambiguous headings, as the sections also include loans and a possible player retirement, not just transfers. <b style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#314 0em 0em 0.7em,#5a0 -0.2em -0.2em 0.7em,#00a 0.2em 0.2em 0.7em;color:#159">Bobby</b> (talk) 16:07, 9 August 2011 (UTC)
 * "Transfers" is an ambiguous word here that probably cannot be replaced with another word. Keeping them as subsections lessens the association of ambiguity. <b style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#314 0em 0em 0.7em,#5a0 -0.2em -0.2em 0.7em,#00a 0.2em 0.2em 0.7em;color:#159">Bobby</b> (talk) 16:21, 9 August 2011 (UTC)
 * The ambiguity I'm referring to is the reference to either a player swapping clubs or the type of transfer. Notice how there is a specific column in the template for that distinction. Your style and the current structure are inherently identical in organization, except the current one lessens this ambiguous factor. <b style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#314 0em 0em 0.7em,#5a0 -0.2em -0.2em 0.7em,#00a 0.2em 0.2em 0.7em;color:#159">Bobby</b> (talk) 16:27, 9 August 2011 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of All-time Ecuadorian Serie A table


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Warning
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Ashlyn Harris
Hi, Digirami. Thanks for cleaning up my edits to Ashlyn Harris. But can I ask why you removed the totalcaps line? Powers T 02:31, 9 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Are you sure? The documentation for Template:Infobox football biography shows both totalcaps and totalgoals in the example template "For current players".  Hope Solo, to use another goalkeeper example, includes totalcaps.  Powers T 11:30, 9 September 2011 (UTC)
 * No, mean the cut-and-paste empty template that is clearly labeled "For current players". Powers T 17:12, 9 September 2011 (UTC)

Primera División Argentina 2011-12
Hi, why did you undo my edit on the page (I put in a little anotation that would indicate clubs coming from the Greater Buenos Aires region). I though it would be a coherent thing to do since the map on the side shows "Buenos Aires" as a whole and therefore people who might not know where the suburbian cities of Buenos Aires are could get a better idea of the geography the ligue has Igiarmpr (talk) 18:22, 13 September 2011 (UTC)

Fernando Amorebieta
Hi DIGIRAMI, VASCO here,

please: 1 - accept my apologies for my harsh summary; 2 - leave Spanish-Venezuelan be in introduction to article, he his both, his parents are SPANISH (both), he played for several Spanish youth teams, he was even called once to the senior team, without making debut.

Also, please read and participate in the new and pertinent WP:FOOTY discussion. Attentively --Vasco Amaral (talk) 22:22, 12 October 2011 (UTC)


 * OK this is what i deduce from the discussion: in INTRO it's the nation they play for internationally, but surely the categories must be allowed to stay. --Vasco Amaral (talk) 13:46, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

Konstantin Vassiljev
See the discussion here. H2ppyme (talk) 09:55, 17 October 2011 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Juan Soto


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