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 * Thanks for getting in touch. Yeah, I definitely agree that the results are going to be skewed as a result of the later timing of the reviews. However, there is a lot of precedence for using the tables for pre-1998 films. Notably Star Wars, Alien, Jaws. Are you able to cite any policies that support the view that they are unacceptable? In my view, they are the best available source of data on the matter. Thanks --DilatoryRevolution (talk) 05:41, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
 * The other pages really shouldn't be using RT and MetaCritic tables either (precedent doesn't mean correct, just means no one said anything), specifically because they lack context and they aren't comparable across later films. I mean Halloween was generally well received, but to say it has a 94% approval rating in 1978 is completely false (I'm not saying you say that, but it's the implication with the table). Just look at Jaws for example; none of the reviews pre-date 2000, and many are from 2020 and 2021. That's not accurate to what they felt in 1975...it's completely different people that grew up with Jaws as children.


 * As for guideline (we don't do policies on content like that, we do guidelines), if you look at WP:MOSFILM it says:  For older films, it is important to distinguish between contemporary critical reception (from reviews published around the time of initial release) and subsequent reception (from reviews made at later dates). From there, the guideline points you to the essay on aggregators over here that is used as a complementary piece to enhance the understanding of the guideline. You will see it covers both reviews pre-2000 as well as the understanding of statistical significance with enough reviews existing to have a percentage that would mean anything.   BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  12:22, 4 August 2021 (UTC)

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 * This is a very unusual use of the word "discourteous". However, your sentiment is noted and I will refrain from posting on your talk page when you do not reply to comments refuting your reverting of my edits. However, I expect that you will not edit-war with reverts of any edits that I make when you are not participating in the discussion.--DilatoryRevolution (talk) 02:37, 8 September 2022 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry, the longest I've ever taken to reply to one of your responses on that talk page is three hours. How entitled do you have to be to get mad and leave talk page messages, and to claim that that is "not participating in the discussion"? On 6 September, you posted on my talk page literally four minutes after your response on the article talk page. This is some of the most peculiar behaviour I've ever encountered on Wikipedia, which leads me to wonder if you're actively trolling. The Drover&#39;s Wife (talk) 04:50, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

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 * that's not exactly an accurate account of what happened. DilatoryRevolution moved Opposition (Western Australia) to Shadow ministry of Mia Davies because that page was mainly about the specific shadow ministry and not shadow ministries in general in WA. They then set up an excerpt of Shadow ministry of Mia Davies at Opposition (Western Australia) I assume so that its simpler when a new shadow ministry comes along (which will be happening soon as Mia Davies has resigned). They attributed the copied information in their edit summary. I do not see what the problem was. Steelkamp (talk) 16:02, 27 January 2023 (UTC)
 * @Steelkamp Well per policy, copying text is not allowed as history is needed for attribution. I wouldn't describe it as an "excerpt" as the entirety was copied and only some content was removed. ~ Eejit43 ( talk ) 16:08, 27 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Attribution was provided in the edit summary. Special:Diff/1135842285. Steelkamp (talk) 16:10, 27 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Oh I forgot about that- nonetheless, at the time I issued the warning it was an almost complete copy, when it shouldn't have been. ~ Eejit43 ( talk ) 17:21, 27 January 2023 (UTC)

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A barnstar for you!

 * I've since finalised the candidate list and removed the outdated references in line with the formatting of previous NSW state candidates pages. J2m5 (talk) 10:52, 11 March 2023 (UTC)

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 * Thanks M.Ashraf333. I have submitted the Bob Nanva draft as well as the drafts for Emily Suvaal and Stephen Lawrence for review. All three will be declared elected to the New South Wales Legislative Council on 20 April. Would you be able to review the three drafts if you get a chance? Thank you very much. --DilatoryRevolution (talk) 04:37, 13 April 2023 (UTC)

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 * The draft article is the older article and its edit history should be preserved. Its submissions for mainspace were rejected twice under WP:TOOSOON before the current mainspace article was created. Appropriate procedures for accepting the draft article should have been followed. DilatoryRevolution (talk) 01:44, 3 April 2023 (UTC)

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Your Closure of Nine Films And Television Merge Proposal
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Only an uninvolved editor should have closed the request, once the discussion had gained consensus. Would you be able to revert your move of the page and re-open the discussion? If not, I may request a move review instead. Thank you. Happily888 (talk) 05:02, 2 April 2023 (UTC)
 * RMCI applies to requested moves. The discussion in question was a requested merge. As per WP:MERGECLOSE, "Any user, including the user who first proposed the merger, may close the discussion". You can refute the move that took place but reopening a merger discussion would be redundant. --DilatoryRevolution (talk) 01:36, 3 April 2023 (UTC)
 * However, the discussion was closed as a move of the article. WP:MERGECLOSE has a caveat which is that involved editors may only close discussions when there has been no discussion or if there is unanimous consent to merge, which is not the case here. Happily888 (talk) 03:43, 3 April 2023 (UTC)
 * There was no discussion on the proposal to move the page that was made in November 2022. Without evident disagreement, I presumed consensus. There was no discussion at all between November 2022 and March 2023, even after the move was made. Do you disagree with the outcome? It seems to broadly allign with your comments on the discussion. You made no attempt to discuss it for the five months that it was under active discussion. Are you just disappointed that what you view as the appropriate procedure was not followed? If that is the case, what would be the point in repoening the discussion? It's just going to sit open for another four months. If you would like, I could open up a new merger discussion between Nine Television and Nine Entertainment. Would that suit you? --DilatoryRevolution (talk) 04:29, 3 April 2023 (UTC)

Deletion discussion at 2026 South Australian state election
May I ask you to consider striking your comment at this AfD discussion, where you state "Attempting to bypass the process by moving the page, or cutting and pasting it into a new mainspace article, may lead to the page being moved back into draftspace again, speedy-deleted or listed for AFD, and repeated attempts may even lead to you being temporarily or permanently blocked from editing Wikipedia due to disruption."

AfC has never been an obligatory process. It was set up in order to allow unregistered and unconfirmed users to create articles, when direct creation in mainspace was made technically impossible for them. Any confirmed editor can choose to exit the AfC process whenever they want. Yes, it can be unwise to bypass it; the editor loses the benefits that AfC review can bring, and attracts attention to their possible desire not to be reviewed. But it is absolutely not grounds for being blocked, or even speedy deletion; to threaten an editor with permanent blocking for bypassing AfC is therefore inappropriate. The only real penalty for bypassing AfC is that the article may be sent to AfD by the new page patrol reviewers with a disgruntled comment about how it got to mainspace. There are attribution/copyright issues if an editor other than the original creator of the article does a copy-paste out of draft space into main space as the history is lost, but we should probably assume good faith in a situation like this, that the editor was probably unaware of what cut-and-paste moves do to the article's history. Elemimele (talk) 18:41, 22 April 2023 (UTC)
 * The bold element of my comment is a direct quote from WP:AFC. It is not a threat of blocking. The appropriate place to refute my interpretation of WP:AFC is Articles for deletion/2026 South Australian state election. --DilatoryRevolution (talk) 20:35, 22 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi, thanks for pointing out where you got the text from. It was added by one editor about a year ago, asserting that AfC has more teeth than it should. I have raised this at the AfC talk page. In the end, it is down to the wider Wikipedia community to decide what is acceptable in articles. AfC is not the gate-keeper. That's down to the new page patrol, and even they don't actually make a decision. They do not delete. They send to AfD. It is community consensus, exercised via AfD, that ultimately decides whether an article is acceptable, and therefore it's essential that everyone has a route to get their article discussed at AfD - without getting blocked. Elemimele (talk) 09:09, 23 April 2023 (UTC)

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