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Edit warring
You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war&#32; according to the reverts you have made on 324th Division (Vietnam). Users are expected to collaborate with others, to avoid editing disruptively, and to try to reach a consensus rather than repeatedly undoing other users' edits once it is known that there is a disagreement. Please be particularly aware that Wikipedia's policy on edit warring states: If you find yourself in an editing dispute, use the article's talk page to discuss controversial changes; work towards a version that represents consensus among editors. You can post a request for help at an appropriate noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases it may be appropriate to request temporary page protection. If you engage in an edit war, you may be blocked from editing.'Please stop reverting and attempt to obtain consensus for your edit(s)  Tide ' rolls  19:21, 15 December 2014 (UTC)
 * 1) Edit warring is disruptive regardless of how many reverts you have made.
 * 2) Do not edit war even if you believe you are right.

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Second Battle of Lang Son
This page was deleted per consensus Articles for deletion/Second Battle of Lang Son, but you have gone and reinstated it. It contains no useful information and I request that you observe consensus, revise First Battle of Lang Son as necessary and delete this page. Mztourist (talk) 03:27, 25 October 2015 (UTC)

WAM
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Hello
Are you Nam in Warwick? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 222.255.195.27 (talk) 19:10, 9 March 2016 (UTC)
 * No I'm not. Sorry, I don't understand what you're talking about.Dino nam (talk) 16:04, 26 March 2016 (UTC)

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Talk:Battle of Đồng Đăng
If you would like the article Battle of Đồng Đăng to be moved, you at least need to explain why you feel both articles are equally important. Add your comments here. --Midas02 (talk) 18:11, 27 March 2016 (UTC)

Vandalism at Battle of Ia Drang
Here you are, showing your true face (lòi mặt chuột)! Your talk page shows why you resort to sock puppetry (222.252.55.135, 117.6.88.137, 123.24.194.104, 222.252.32.116) to edit in bad faith.Tnguyen4321 (talk) 19:11, 16 May 2016 (UTC)

Hmm: look what I found: An anonymous editor keeps using various IPs to create disruptive editing'' on the page without explanation. Here’s his last editing [1]. Dino nam (talk) 04:05, 17 April 2016 (UTC)''. Sounds like you, doesn't it?!Tnguyen4321 (talk) 19:25, 16 May 2016 (UTC)

Hmm Hmm: ''The IP 94.254.225.68 has made another disruptive editing [3] I think it's sufficient to block all these IPs. If you don't have any method to deal with this, then surely I will have to deal with it by myself. Dino nam (talk) 01:29, 19 April 2016 (UTC)''.Tnguyen4321 (talk) 23:06, 16 May 2016 (UTC)


 * So what? That IP had never explained anything; it's totally different. Dino nam (talk) 01:11, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Never mind about that. Just focus on, ''I think it's sufficient to block all these IPs. If you don't have any method to deal with this, then surely I will have to deal with it by myself. Dino nam . Tnguyen4321 (talk) 04:59, 17 May 2016 (UTC)

''Interesting to follow your editing war with Mztourist at 324th Division...Tnguyen4321 (talk) 23:33, 16 May 2016 (UTC)


 * C'mon, care about your own history first please. Dino nam (talk) 01:11, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Sure. Just interested in learning more about your tricks.Tnguyen4321 (talk) 04:59, 17 May 2016 (UTC)

You may be blocked from editing without further warning the next time you vandalize Wikipedia, as you did at Battle of Ia Drang. Tnguyen4321 (talk) 19:43, 16 May 2016 (UTC)

A courtesy reminder: no need to use another account or create a new one and come back to vandalize this article again. Tnguyen4321 (talk) 20:48, 16 May 2016 (UTC)

May 2016
You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war&#32; according to the reverts you have made on Battle of Ia Drang. Users are expected to collaborate with others, to avoid editing disruptively, and to try to reach a consensus rather than repeatedly undoing other users' edits once it is known that there is a disagreement. Please be particularly aware that Wikipedia's policy on edit warring states: If you find yourself in an editing dispute, use the article's talk page to discuss controversial changes; work towards a version that represents consensus among editors. You can post a request for help at an appropriate noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases it may be appropriate to request temporary page protection. If you engage in an edit war, you may be blocked from editing. Fortuna Imperatrix Mundi  13:17, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
 * 1) Edit warring is disruptive regardless of how many reverts you have made.
 * 2) Do not edit war even if you believe you are right.

@ Imperatrix Mundi Please be advised that Dino nam is ignoring your warning .Tnguyen4321 (talk) 14:18, 18 May 2016 (UTC)

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May 2016
re: Battle of Lao Cai. Why is it becoming disruptive editing when you consider yours to be constructive with your abusive OR tagging practice?Tnguyen4321 (talk) 13:19, 22 May 2016 (UTC)

Your recent editing history at Battle of Lao Cai shows that you are currently engaged in an edit war. To resolve the content dispute, please do not revert or change the edits of others when you are reverted. Instead of reverting, please use the article's talk page to work toward making a version that represents consensus among editors. The best practice at this stage is to discuss, not edit-war. See BRD for how this is done. If discussions reach an impasse, you can then post a request for help at a relevant noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, you may wish to request temporary page protection.

Being involved in an edit war can result in your being blocked from editing&mdash;especially if you violate the three-revert rule, which states that an editor must not perform more than three reverts on a single page within a 24-hour period. Undoing another editor's work—whether in whole or in part, whether involving the same or different material each time—counts as a revert. Also keep in mind that while violating the three-revert rule often leads to a block, you can still be blocked for edit warring&mdash;even if you don't violate the three-revert rule&mdash;should your behavior indicate that you intend to continue reverting repeatedly. Fortuna Imperatrix Mundi  13:51, 22 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Dino nam is ignoring your warning .Tnguyen4321 (talk) 17:45, 22 May 2016 (UTC)

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Read WP:VAND
You are not reverting vandalism at Battle of Ia Drang as you stated here. I do not have time to examine the 3RR report presently, but if you call good faith edits vandalism again I will block you for disruptive editing. Read the page linked in this section title. Ask questions if you don't understand.  Tide  rolls  18:07, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
 * I don't understand how can you call removal of tags without any explanations or consensus as "good faith" editing? Dino nam (talk) 01:13, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Have you read the page to which i directed you?  Tide  rolls  08:41, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
 * I've read it and 've seen no section or content can be used as something to defend him. In fact I've seen this: "Removing afd, copyvio and other related tags in order to conceal deletion candidates or avert deletion of such content."
 * If you think I quote it wrong, please state your point. Dino nam (talk) 16:17, 3 June 2016 (UTC)

Edit warring at Battle of Ia Drang
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@EdJohnston As soon as the blocking period elapsed, Dino nam resumes his editing war. Tnguyen4321 (talk) 18:27, 4 June 2016 (UTC)

Resumed war at Battle of Ia Drang
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p/s: By the way I'm still waiting for you to explain why removing OR tag aren't considered as avoidant vandalism. Thanks. Dino nam (talk) 16:13, 5 June 2016 (UTC)

Ia Drang dispute
When your apparent nemesis told me that you were continuing to edit war, I first wanted to congratulate you on creating an account, but it appears you were indeed editing as an IP, which is a show of bad faith. I suggest you read WP:NOR, WP:RS, WP:EW, and WP:SOCK. Do not log out to make problematic edits again.  ミーラー強斗武   (StG88ぬ会話) 19:00, 6 June 2016 (UTC)
 * I think the tag replacement you've recently made regarding the South Vietnamese involvement is OK. I agree with it.
 * What I disagree with you is about the removal of OR tags at the Battle of Ia Drang. What user:Tnguyen4321 has written, though using RS as references, is totally out of context, thus constituting OR, as I have previously said on your talk page. Moreover, his editing is not only OR, but also some wrong OR. For instance, his comparison between 96 sorties vs 3 battalions is totally senseless, as the units of measurement are not the same; it's just like saying 2 meters is larger than 1 square meter (and of course such comparison can't be found in the RS he cited). I wish you can consider this more and allow me to restore the tags. Dino nam (talk) 15:14, 7 June 2016 (UTC)
 * I just looked at the sentence in question in detail; it isn't OR, but it is SYNTH. Original research is drawing new conclusions that aren't in the sources; synthesis is combining sources to draw conclusions made by neither source. please read WP:SYNTH so you understand. I have removed the sentence. Dino nam, I originally removed the OR tags because you placed them inside reference tags.   ミーラー強斗武   (StG88ぬ会話) 01:44, 8 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your latest editing. A question: So actually synthesis can be considered a variant of OR, isn't it? Dino nam (talk) 08:45, 8 June 2016 (UTC)
 * I disagree with you Sturmegewehr88: It is not SYNTH drawing new conclusions by me; I just reworded the summaries stated by both sources of Kinnard and Vinh Loc. I refer you to the talk page of Battle of Ia Drang where I quote in length the sources. Tnguyen4321 (talk) 13:26, 8 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Neither source makes the explicit claim that the air action was larger or more significant than the ground campaign. You can compare the two (stating facts), but you can't draw new conclusions. So yes, SYNTH is technically a form of OR.  ミーラー強斗武   (StG88ぬ会話) 22:23, 8 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Please see my response @talk page of Battle of Ia Drang.Tnguyen4321 (talk) 00:44, 9 June 2016 (UTC)
 * user:Tnguyen4321 is continuing his disruptive editing on the page. I think that with someone who keeps refusing to understand what others say, edit warring is inevitable, unless a block is used. Dino nam (talk) 01:20, 9 June 2016 (UTC)
 * I haven't seen any disruptive editing aside from edit warring, although I am now disputing the necessity of the sentence I previously removed.  ミーラー強斗武   (StG88ぬ会話) 02:13, 9 June 2016 (UTC)
 * He has just recently revert your editing without appropriate reasoning. He should wait until reaching consensus with you, shouldn't he? Dino nam (talk) 07:26, 9 June 2016 (UTC)
 * I've started a WP:RFC to get community input.  ミーラー強斗武   (StG88ぬ会話) 23:20, 9 June 2016 (UTC)
 * I've started a WP:RFC to get community input.  ミーラー強斗武   (StG88ぬ会話) 23:20, 9 June 2016 (UTC)

Ia Drang cont.
DO NOT respond on my talk page as a logged-out IP; respond here on your talk page.  ミーラー強斗武   (StG88ぬ会話) 04:40, 7 June 2016 (UTC)

Move on
The editing situation is now different. You and Sturmg88 disputed about the ARVN involvement based on lack of verifiability. I have provided reliable and verifiable sources in the talk page. You can not dispute those citations. Please consult with Sturmgewehr88 before you risk starting an editing war. Tnguyen4321 (talk) 18:24, 12 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Your sources do not prove direct combat between ARVN soldiers and those of the NVA/VC at Ia Drang; they only show a supporting role.
 * I only state the involvement of ARVN II Corps Command at LZ X-Ray and Albany at the operational control level.Tnguyen4321 (talk) 12:17, 15 June 2016 (UTC)


 * Dino nam, on a farewell note, I think the reason that Tiderolls said your RfC wasn't formatted correctly was probably that your RfC intro statement wasn't very neutral, and that you didn't inform the WikiProjects of the RfC. Also, do not edit other's comments as you've done a few times to Tnguyen4321's. The proper way to "strike out" off-topic or inappropiate comments is with Template:Hat.  ミーラー強斗武   (StG88ぬ会話) 05:38, 15 June 2016 (UTC)
 * I've undone your alteration of Tnguyen4321's posts at Talk:Battle of Ia Drang. Please do not repeat this action without proper reason (see WP:TPG).  Tide  rolls  12:43, 15 June 2016 (UTC)

Why don't you stop your disruptive editing on the same issue of ARVN involvement, the discussion of which you have ended? As  Tide  rolls  have suggested to you, if there is still a problem you should seek help at the Military history WikiProject and/or the WikiProject Vietnam.Tnguyen4321 (talk) 23:29, 21 June 2016 (UTC)

Warning
You cannot close an RfC in which you are involved unless you withdraw the request. You should not have closed the RfC at Talk:Battle of Ia Drang. I warned you not to edit the article absent an establishment of consensus. If you do not self revert your edits to the article subsequent to my warning I will block your account for disruptive editing.  Tide  rolls  08:56, 22 June 2016 (UTC)
 * OK, I'll restore it then. Dino nam (talk) 16:45, 22 June 2016 (UTC)

Dino nam had effectuated a bad faith editing here by lumping together various edits without mentioning them in the summary or talk pages. Specifically he deletes a reference source and some links to document. Tnguyen4321 (talk) 22:48, 22 June 2016 (UTC)

Blocked
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 * Additionally, your continued edit warring has made it impossible for your opposite to make good on their self revert. As a consequence I will not be able to block them. With these latest edits I am becoming convinced that you make lack the competence to edit here.  If you return from your block and continue this same behavior you will face an indefinite block.  Tide  rolls  18:05, 22 June 2016 (UTC)


 * I've unblocked your account as I see you had made an attempt at self reversion. Please do not edit the article again until consensus is reached.  I hope that is plain.  If you do not understand this, please ask before editing.  Tide  rolls  18:27, 22 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Dino nam had effectuated a bad faith editing here by lumping together various edits without mentioning them in the summary or talk pages. Specifically he deletes a reference source and some links to document. Tnguyen4321 (talk) 23:50, 22 June 2016 (UTC)

Blocked2
You have been blocked temporarily from editing for edit warring. Once the block has expired, you are welcome to make useful contributions. If you think there are good reasons why you should be unblocked, you may appeal this block by first reading the guide to appealing blocks, then adding the following text to the bottom of your talk page:. During a dispute, you should first try to discuss controversial changes and seek consensus. If that proves unsuccessful, you are encouraged to seek dispute resolution, and in some cases it may be appropriate to request page protection.  Tide  rolls  10:49, 22 July 2016 (UTC)


 * I've altered your unblock request so that other administrators will be able review the request. You were warned, and blocked more than once, regarding edit warring. You still appear incapable of comprehending the simple concept involved. Beginng or participating in talk page discussion does not entitle one to continue to revert artlcle content.  Tide  rolls  23:47, 22 July 2016 (UTC)
 * To add; this edit did not replace the disputed tag.  Tide  rolls  23:51, 22 July 2016 (UTC)

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Edit warring
I have reported you for edit warring here: Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring Mztourist (talk) 04:41, 31 October 2016 (UTC)

SPI
I have filed an SPI against you here: Sockpuppet investigations/Dino nam Mztourist (talk) 03:51, 1 November 2016 (UTC)

February 2017
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April 2017
Your recent editing history at Battle of Cao Bang (1979) shows that you are currently engaged in an edit war. To resolve the content dispute, please do not revert or change the edits of others when you are reverted. Instead of reverting, please use the talk page to work toward making a version that represents consensus among editors. The best practice at this stage is to discuss, not edit-war. See BRD for how this is done. If discussions reach an impasse, you can then post a request for help at a relevant noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, you may wish to request temporary page protection.

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Reverting disruptive editing cannot be considered edit warring. Dino nam (talk) 07:28, 7 April 2017 (UTC)

@Dino nam: Labelling it as reverting "disruptive editing" is not an excuse to edit war. I have issued a warning to Fury 1991 as well. UserDe (talk) 16:46, 7 April 2017 (UTC)

WP:DDE instructs thoroughly how to deal with disruptive editing. Multiple reverts are allowed, if not even encouraged. Dino nam (talk) 16:53, 7 April 2017 (UTC)

Again, you can't go around edit warring while claiming to be reverting "disruptive editing". Based on the many earlier warnings I see here, I'm becoming doubtful.

Earlier warnings doesn't make any sense. You have to follow the regulations, otherwise your point is nonesense. If you can find any regulation claiming that reverting disruptive editing constitutes edit warring, cite it. Dino nam (talk) 17:33, 7 April 2017 (UTC)

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Revengeful behavior
Instead of heeding to warning of vandalism, you falsely accused me of personal attacks .Tnguyen4321 (talk) 00:53, 13 June 2017 (UTC)

Your view re: disruptive editing
Interesting reading of topic April 2017 above and finding how you think about disruptive editing and edit warring. Let me quote:

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''Your recent editing history at Battle of Cao Bang (1979) shows that you are currently engaged in an edit war. To resolve the content dispute, please do not revert or change the edits of others when you are reverted. Instead of reverting, please use the talk page to work toward making a version that represents consensus among editors. The best practice at this stage is to discuss, not edit-war. See BRD for how this is done. If discussions reach an impasse, you can then post a request for help at a relevant noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, you may wish to request temporary page protection.''

''Being involved in an edit war can result in your being blocked from editing—especially if you violate the three-revert rule, which states that an editor must not perform more than three reverts on a single page within a 24-hour period. Undoing another editor's work—whether in whole or in part, whether involving the same or different material each time—counts as a revert. Also keep in mind that while violating the three-revert rule often leads to a block, you can still be blocked for edit warring—even if you don't violate the three-revert rule—should your behavior indicate that you intend to continue reverting repeatedly. UserDe (talk) 05:17, 7 April 2017 (UTC) ''

''@UserDe: Reverting disruptive editing cannot be considered edit warring. Dino nam (talk) 07:28, 7 April 2017 (UTC) ''

''@Dino nam: Labelling it as reverting "disruptive editing" is not an excuse to edit war. I have issued a warning to Fury 1991 as well. UserDe (talk) 16:46, 7 April 2017 (UTC) ''

''@UserDe: WP:DDE instructs thoroughly how to deal with disruptive editing. Multiple reverts are allowed, if not even encouraged. Dino nam (talk) 16:53, 7 April 2017 (UTC) ''

''@Dino nam: Again, you can't go around edit warring while claiming to be reverting "disruptive editing". Based on the many earlier warnings I see here, I'm becoming doubtful. ''

''@UserDe: Earlier warnings doesn't make any sense. You have to follow the regulations, otherwise your point is nonesense. If you can find any regulation claiming that reverting disruptive editing constitutes edit warring, cite it. Dino nam (talk) 17:33, 7 April 2017 (UTC)'' ''

End quote

I think you use double standard on this issue. Tnguyen4321 (talk) 05:49, 15 June 2017 (UTC)

I don't see any here. Dino nam (talk) 06:24, 15 June 2017 (UTC)


 * Clever use of sneaky vandalism. Double separate deletions! No problema, though. Tnguyen4321 (talk) 06:40, 15 June 2017 (UTC)


 * Quite curious when you've not explained your concept of "double standard". Dino nam (talk) 07:15, 15 June 2017 (UTC)
 * I am busy dealing with your "sneaky vandalism" acts for the moment.Tnguyen4321 (talk) 07:20, 15 June 2017 (UTC)

June 2017
You have been blocked from editing for a period of 48 hours for edit warring, as you did at Battle of Ia Drang. Once the block has expired, you are welcome to make useful contributions. If you think there are good reasons why you should be unblocked, you may request an unblock by first reading the guide to appealing blocks, then adding the following text to the bottom of your talk page:. During a dispute, you should first try to discuss controversial changes and seek consensus. If that proves unsuccessful, you are encouraged to seek dispute resolution, and in some cases it may be appropriate to request page protection. -- There'sNoTime (to explain) 09:55, 15 June 2017 (UTC)
 * I've seen some silly edit wars here on Wikipedia, and this one comes close to the top of the list - you're both to blame, and you've both been blocked for the same period of time. I note you've both previously had blocks for edit warring, and I'm being way too lenient by only dishing out 48 hours. Here is what I expect to happen when your block expires:
 * You don't edit Battle of Ia Drang at all for a couple of days
 * If, and only if, you're still convinced something needs changing on Battle of Ia Drang you use the article's talk page to request consensus and ask another editor to make the change
 * If, however, you continue after this block expires the next one will be extended or possibly indefinite. I've added the same message to both of your talk pages, as frankly you're both to blame -- There'sNoTime (to explain) 10:00, 15 June 2017 (UTC)


 * Dino nam, Dino nam. Just a word to the wise: note that it is not impossible for a 'reviewing' admin who comes along to agree with TNT's own opinion (that he may have been "way too lenient") and increase the block- particularly as your block request seems to be centred on blaming another party with no acknowledgment of error yourself. Now, I apologise for involving myself, but I need to point out that on my own talk this and similar issues were already discussed (see User talk:Fortuna Imperatrix Mundi/Archive 6), and that was May 2016. For all this time you and the other party between you have effectively had these various 'Nam-related pages on a lock down, I think that for those pages to be put in good shape after a ?fifteen month long edit war will take over 48-hours. Can you see this point? &mdash;  O Fortuna   semper crescis, aut decrescis  10:56, 15 June 2017 (UTC)

I guess may be you'll just ignore it, just like my reports on WP:AN/I, but I still have to say. Yeah, may be you were right; may be the 48 hours was too lenient for both me and him, and may be this edit warring was the most ridiculous thing you (and I as well) have ever seen. In fact, I had already expected that you guys were going to turn down my unblock request, at least with the reason that this could be a sort of lesson to remind me that I should be even more careful and abiding. However, the reason was a totally different thing (because I was "still blaming the other party for the problem"), and that was what I was dissappointed about. What I supposed to think when you had already said that "you're both to blame"? Admitting that it was all my fault, and the other was innocent? Did I say anything showing that I think edit warring was still a good thing? That explanation sounds not really fit for an admin.

But that's not the worst part. WP:COMMUNICATE says that discussion is needed in order to resolve disputes. You seem to respond quite quick to block people, but where were you when I issued a report about disruptive editing on the noticeboard? Where were you when I reported about his continuous personal attacks and harassment against me? Would you still have known about the edit war that quick if I hadn't reported directedly on TNT's talk page? How worse would it have been if it hadn't been me but another person who had intended to further prolong the edit war? Actually, I would have been happier than now if at least you had stated that those reports of mine were totally wrong and baseless, or even simply a big "I DON'T CARE" on the section! But all you did was just silence, something without which edit warring would have just never happened. So was I wrong? Yes. Was he wrong? Yes. But were you admins right? I don't think so.

Anw, thank you when at least your block did successfully stopped him from harassing my talk page, even though because of the way you did it, another editor is thinking that edit warring, continuous disruptive editing without consensus, and personal harassment can be a good "tactic" to get rid of someone who writes on the article something he doesn't like. Dino nam (talk) 17:44, 18 June 2017 (UTC)
 * I won't ignore your post Dino nam, but I should point out that of all the people you pinged, I am the one who can help / advise you the least. My support cannot aid you nor my enmity harm you. Welcome back, in any case. &mdash;  O Fortuna   semper crescis, aut decrescis  14:06, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
 * I'm not entirely sure what you want me to say here, so I'll address the things I personally find important in your message in a point-by-point manner:
 * You seem to respond quite quick to block people
 * I'd hate it if you really thought this, as I pride myself on not being a quick to block admin. The difference here is that the edit warring was actively disrupting the article, and needed to stop - you both already had a history of this, so I saw no point in asking you both to stop.
 * Where were you when I reported about his continuous personal attacks and harassment against me?
 * Unfortunately I wasn't aware of the report, otherwise I would have reviewed and acted - harassment on Wikipedia is an increasing issue, and the WMF aren't taking it seriously enough. We don't have the tools to effectively deal with it, but in the future if you feel harassed please contact me on my talk page directly. I understand you feel like you did this previously, and ended up getting blocked so you might be unsure about doing so again, but I (and many other administrators) are always here to deal with legitimate reports of harassment or personal attacks. I'm sorry I wasn't around to deal with your first report.
 * So was I wrong? Yes. Was he wrong? Yes. But were you admins right? I don't think so.
 * Maybe one day you'll be an administrator, and if so you'll quickly learn that having these extra buttons is not only not worth the effort of RfA but also means that every action (and non-action) will be wrong to someone. In an emotive situation, such as an edit war, there is no "good" outcome
 * Hopefully I've addressed some of your concerns -- There'sNoTime (to explain) 10:27, 20 June 2017 (UTC)


 * Just a quick response from me, to respond to the "still blaming the other party for the problem" point. I was referring to your "I've reverted his disruptive editing for the last time in the day" comment which suggested, firstly, that the other editor's part in the edit war was disruptive and that yours was not (when in truth, both sides in an edit war are disruptive, regardless of who is right over the content), and secondly that once the day was over you might well have gone back to edit warring. Now, I have no idea who was right or wrong over the content (though in many edit warring cases there is some merit on both sides, which is why we insist on discussion and consensus), but my comments were solely directed at the edit warring - you were 100% responsible for your part in it and for your block, and Tnguyen4321 was 100% responsible for their part and their block. Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 10:45, 20 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your response. I think we have all acknowledged that edit warring is bad, so I'm not gonna talk about that. However, in order to get through Zebedee's point that I "was blaming the other party", you should have elaborated on my WP:DE report on WP:AN/I about your perspective on whether Tnguyen4321's action had constituted disruptive editing, an act which you hadn't done. If you clearly stated that unilaterally refactoring a section concerning an ongoing RfC without reaching consensus with other party/parties was not disruptive editing, I would be happy to follow that suggestion.
 * Now this is what I'm planning: I'm going to restore this last version of status quo of Battle of Ia Drang before his unilateral blanking. That was basically the status of the section before the RfC. I will also try to restore the info added after that incident but not relevant to the section as well. If it's possible, I also recommend a protection on the article after my semi-revert, and only after the RfC closed or consensus somehow otherwise reached may the protection be lifted. If you have any other suggestion or objection against my idea, please tell me within 24 hours. Otherwise I would deem as we all have reached consensus on this issue. Thank you! Dino nam (talk) 16:49, 20 June 2017 (UTC)
 * I strongly recommend you do not do that, and do not make any edits whatsoever to the disputed content until the RfC is closed by an independent third party and you can show a clear consensus for the preferred version. If there's any "revert to status quo" to be done, leave it for someone else - but it really doesn't matter if it's left in the "wrong" version for a short period. Honestly, the last thing you should be seen to be doing right now is anything even vaguely like reverting again. As for " your perspective on whether Tnguyen4321's action had constituted disruptive editing, an act which you hadn't done", no, I was very specifically keeping out of the content disagreement and acting/commenting *only* on the edit warring - it's an important distinction that I deliberately made, in that both sides in an edit war are disruptive and I am deliberately not playing any part in suggesting that one might be more disruptive than the other. Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 17:07, 20 June 2017 (UTC)
 * "do not make any edits whatsoever to the disputed content until the RfC is closed by an independent third party and you can show a clear consensus for the preferred version" → if only you could say such thing to Tnguyen4321 as well. Anw, I will find a way to deal with it without involving reverting or material editing. Dino nam (talk) 15:24, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Dino nam has found his way by use of bogus 'dubious' and 'synthesis in line' tagging . It is quite abusive and disruptive. Can I remove them?Tnguyen4321 (talk) 16:26, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Listen, you both need to stop this, and seek discussion for any of your disputed changes and gain consensus. You really should both know this now, so both please follow the standard dispute resolution processes if you cannot agree. And please stop pinging me - I've had enough of this and I really don't want to hear from either of you again. Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 16:37, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Listen, you both need to stop this, and seek discussion for any of your disputed changes and gain consensus. You really should both know this now, so both please follow the standard dispute resolution processes if you cannot agree. And please stop pinging me - I've had enough of this and I really don't want to hear from either of you again. Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 16:37, 21 June 2017 (UTC)

Restore deleted warning notification
Am I allowed to restore my two warnings addressed to Dino nam that he had deleted ? Tnguyen4321 (talk) 19:10, 17 June 2017 (UTC)
 * No. Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 20:47, 17 June 2017 (UTC)
 * I agree. Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 20:48, 17 June 2017 (UTC)
 * @ Boing! said Zebedee I am perplex: "No", followed immediately by "I agree". Please clarify: am I allowed, yes or no? Tnguyen4321 (talk) 00:18, 18 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Sorry, it was an attempt at humor, as you pinged me twice - so I said no and then agreed with myself. I won't try humor again, as it clearly doesn't work. The answer is No - an editor is allowed to remove warnings from their talk page. And, this conflict between the two of you needs to stop, now! Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 03:01, 18 June 2017 (UTC)
 * @ Boing! said Zebedee Interesting. What else can an editor remove or not remove on their talk page? Tnguyen4321 (talk) 12:42, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Almost everything. Except for declined unblock requests, which must remain as they are part of an on-going process at that current time. Please see WP:BLANKING and WP:NOBAN for further details. Cheers! &mdash;  O Fortuna   semper crescis, aut decrescis  12:45, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Please take this discussion elsewhere if you wish to continue it - considering the disputes between the two of you, you shouldn't be using Dino nam's talk page for holding conversations with others. If you want any further clarification, you're welcome to ask me on my talk page or ping me from your talk page. Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 12:50, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Roger. It seems that Fortuna have answered to my question: almost everything.Tnguyen4321 (talk) 13:01, 21 June 2017 (UTC)

Blocked3
The incessant edit war at Battle of Ia Drang is over. You know how to request unblock. I have no idea how you will convince an administrator that you will not continue this disruption, so I have no advice.  Tide  rolls  16:14, 28 June 2017 (UTC)


 * I'd be willing to reduce the block length to 1 week if you promise to never edit Battle of Ia Drang again on condition that you will be reblocked immediately if you do. -- John Reaves 19:34, 28 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Before making any answer to this, I'd like to hear the basis which makes you believe that a single editing turn of me was edit warring instead of bold editing in accordance with WP:BRD. I think it sounds quite unreasonable in the first place when you charge somebody of edit warring and block him just because his face looks like he's gonna do so. Dino nam (talk) 16:28, 29 June 2017 (UTC)
 * I'm retracting my offer. You clearly don't understand why you are blocked and why you're behavior is problematic. -- John Reaves 17:05, 29 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Can I just interject? I will say from the start that I cannot see you getting unblocked soon- not only for the reasons given by above and TideRolls below, but the sheer frustration you must be causing them! Not just them- on this talk page as it stands now you have had nine different admins, over the course of thirty-four distinct messages, all saying much the same thing, because they were all here in differnt capacities related to yours and the other party's edit-warring. This is the crux of the matter, Dino nam, and why you really must attempt to understand the position you are now in. You see, you keep suggesting that you were blocked for 'one' edit when you shouldn't have been blocked until the second edit, etc., per WP:BRD. This is very much not the case: 'BRD is never a reason for reverting,' as it says. What in fact you have been blocked for is an edit war- slow burning on occasion, and covering multiple pages- that has literally been going on since last year and resulted in three blocks for you both apiece. Which is why you are, unfortunately, very much deemed to understand the policy by now: In your last 110 edits, for example, you have baldly reverted the other editor 21 times, and tag-warred 32 times. So, you see, it's not (just) about that one specific edit that you 'should have been warned for', or the the fact that you thought you were following BRD, or because your 'face looks like' whatever But becasue you have both tied up so many other editors' and admins' time on various articles that this is now deemed the only way to stop continuing, ever-present disruption. Remember the main point though- Indefinite does not mean infinite.' I hope you can take this in the spirit with which it is intended. &mdash;  fortuna  velut luna  18:10, 29 June 2017 (UTC)

I don't mean about the three-revert policy. I mean that a single editing isn't a sufficient basis to "believe a user's behavior constitutes edit warring". In this case, I think it would be more appropriate to block me only after I've reverted by the 2nd time, otherwise it's only bold editing. In fact, I've never had or informed to be having a 1RR or 0RR sanction. Dino nam (talk) 16:53, 28 June 2017 (UTC)
 * You have yet to read the policy...after how many blocks? You can edit war without breaching the three revert rule.  Really, you must be able to understand policy before you can expect to be unblocked.  Tide  rolls  16:33, 28 June 2017 (UTC)
 * You were explicitly warned about returning to that article without consensus. Discussion on the talk page is not a license to revert.   Tide  rolls  17:03, 28 June 2017 (UTC)
 * I was warned to stay away from that article for a few days; I did it. I was warned not to revert to the original version of the discussed section; I did it. I don't understand what you mean when you say "discussion on the talk page is not a license to revert", but WP:BRD certainly is (in this particular case). Dino nam (talk) 17:28, 28 June 2017 (UTC)
 * You are either willfully misstating the facts or are so invested in your position that you are blind to reality. Either way, you don't have to convince me.  I was simply pointing out how your request was deficient.  If you are ok with it, so be it.  Tide  rolls  17:38, 28 June 2017 (UTC)

And all I can see is the refusal to explain something that you keep forcing an editor to understand, the blaming of the parties as the sole source of the problem instead of acknowledging the iresponsibilty and subjectiveness of admins as a part of the problem, and the judgment of other people based on subjective stereotype instead of objective regulations. "How about the mirror view that "Dino Nam is also the only person who frequently wages edit wars against Tnguyen4321"? Deal with my reports on WP:AN/I responsibly, and you'll get the answer. Two last things I wanna say to you: first, I don't need to be unblocked at any cost, and second, you should know that when an editor tries to obey the rules, it's because he respect the rules themselves, not necause the admins are kings and all other editors are your bowing slaves. Sincerely. 103.12.160.94 (talk) 04:43, 1 July 2017 (UTC)
 * If you want to re-sign this as Dino nam, you should log in and do it. Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 05:46, 1 July 2017 (UTC)

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