User talk:Dipperdog

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Hello, Dipperdog, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Unfortunately, one or more of your recent edits to the page Satine Phoenix did not conform to Wikipedia's verifiability policy, and may have been removed. Wikipedia articles should refer only to facts and interpretations verified in reliable, reputable print or online sources or in other reliable media. Always provide a reliable source for quotations and for any material that is likely to be challenged, or it may be removed. Wikipedia also has a related policy against including original research in articles.

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I hope you enjoy editing here and being a Wikipedian! Again, welcome! Sariel Xilo (talk) 23:37, 17 January 2024 (UTC)


 * I initially tried to link the actual Kickstarter page with the information ( which it's also not letting me link here ), but was told that Kickstarter links were not allowed as references. Is there a reason for that? it makes discussing the Kickstarter challenging, and if you also didn't allow the link referencing the Kickstarter information which wasn't from Kickstarter, I am wondering why the initial comment announcing the Kickstarter was allowed. Dipperdog (talk) 23:43, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
 * So a couple of things come into play:
 * Direct links to crowdfunding sites were banned after a 2020 RfC due to concerns around promotional spam (see the discussion here); if you want to use a direct link, you have to make a request over at MediaWiki talk:Spam-whitelist. Some references with Kickstarter links pre-date the ban.
 * Generally, primary sources can be used for facts (like a book was published on X date or this record has Y number of songs) but the source has to be trusted for being truthful about itself. A project like this with lots of false statements & retractions is most likely not a trusted source about itself so you would be better off finding a secondary source which has talked about the project's issues (such as the failure to deliver the product).
 * Be careful about synthesis which is what you did when added to that sentence. Also, check out WP:MINOR for when to mark an edit a minor.
 * If you have any more questions about how to tackle this (such as quality of sources) or want to run draft ideas by anyone, I would suggest heading over to the Teahouse which is a great resource for new editors. Sariel Xilo (talk) 00:34, 18 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I re-edited it to resolve those issues. Dipperdog (talk) 01:39, 18 January 2024 (UTC)
 * I flagged it in the edit summary but should have clarified here as well when I suggested finding a secondary source. A random person on YouTube is a self-published source so not a reliable source. Finding good sources for RPGs/games is definitely difficult so I would suggest checking out WikiProject Video games/Sources for a good guide since a lot of what it outlines would also work for TTRPGs. Sariel Xilo (talk) 01:59, 18 January 2024 (UTC)
 * OK. I was editing it to make it more accurate, stating that the Kickstarter hadn't been fulfilled 3 years after the date. Their Kickstarter page stated as much, but Wikipedia won't allow us to use that. The video I found showed their comments stating as much, but you won't let that be used either. That's fine, but this level of nonsense for a tiny edit that is clearly obvious is why I can't be bothered wasting time on this stupid site, and is also why this stupid site is so riddled with misinformation. I haven't wasted my time on this site in years, and I am now reminded why. Dipperdog (talk) 04:43, 18 January 2024 (UTC)