User talk:Dirtlawyer1/Archives/2012/August

Archiving USA Swimming profiles
Good idea, but the only problem with that is that USA Swimming updates the profiles. So if we were to archive the profiles and a new one were to come out, we would have to replace it. It's probably just easier to replace the dead links vice regularary archiving new links. Philipmj24 (talk) 13:56, 2 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Very true! That sounds like a fantastic idea then. We may have to compile some list together to identify those swimmers. Like you said Ricky Berens is one.  Phelps, Coughlin, Hansen, & Lezak are other likely candidates.  Once the Olympics are over & their bios are updated for the last time, we can work on that for sure. The swimming bios are to valuable not to have on a swimmers page. Philipmj24 (talk) 17:23, 2 August 2012 (UTC)

3RR warning
Be aware of WP:3RR in addition to the special sanctions in MOS page editting as pointed out there. Your three-time re-insertion of commas at Manual of Style/Text formatting moves the page in a controversial direction away from where it came from, which was only one of those commas from July 27 2011 to July 27 2012, and with none before. Surely putting them all in is disruptive given the history and current controversy. Dicklyon (talk) 14:39, 7 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Thank you for the warning, Dick.


 * I respectfully request that you (and others) stop boot-strapping your preferred style changes within MOS pages in the name of consistency. There is no consensus for or against the commas following "i.e." and "e.g.", as you are well aware.  Noetica has deleted several such commas from several MOS pages over the past two weeks citing the need for "consistency."  In the absence of a consensus on point, there is no need for consistency and it appears that one or more editors are simply engaged in a slow-rolling edit war to obtain their preferred stylistic outcome, regardless of consensus or the lack thereof.  My reading of the MOS special sanctions includes those who would manipulate process in order to gain their preferred outcome.  Please consider carefully.  I have no problem requesting an opinion from ArbCom on point regarding these activities.  Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 14:48, 7 August 2012 (UTC)


 * The consistency was there before, as I pointed out with diffs; if you didn't like that, you could have reverted to the inconsistent state. But instead you 3 time put your new preferred state.  Dicklyon (talk) 14:53, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

AfD for O. J. Murdock
DL, I was very impressed with your extremely well-written comments and reasoning in the Murdock AfD. What happened to him is very sad, but he clearly doesn't qualify for inclusion. I wish he had played in at least one NFL game. That would have made things easy. ;) Take care. --76.189.114.163 (talk) 22:49, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

122.107.175.113
I've blocked User:122.107.175.113 for three months, as he's been doing this kind of thing before. What's worse than the overlinking, IMO, is that he's removing cities and states from the high school fields. I've seen him randomly remove some images, too. I saw he had made a big run earlier today, and I assumed he was done. Unfortunately, he's made his way through dozens of articles since then. Ugh. Zagal e jo^^^ 02:56, 14 August 2012 (UTC)

UT football wins
Recently someone has been changing the wins saying they have more wins and a PDF that is a record book states they have more wins than anyone before August has them with. I have not found any other source that says they have as many wins as this person claims other tan the PDF record. I left this persons edit for now. http://www.utsports.com/sports/m-footbl/fball-history/fb-history-gbg-lead.html the schools sports web page, has them with 1195 games, 794 wins and 349 losses this person keeps undoing the UT page here and saying they have only 347 losses. I think the PDF record book just has a typo since I have added the numbers at least ten times and get the same thing I have even went back to each year and the numbers are the same. I think this person is a UT fan and since Penn state beat them they are thinking that it does not count as a game played. The way I understand the Vacated loss is that it is still a loss for the team however Penn state does not get the win. Can you help me out with this?  MDSanker 03:08, 17 August 2012 (UTC)


 * MDS, you are correct. Vacated wins are subtracted from the penalized team's total wins; they are not, however, forfeits.  Penn State's vacated wins against Tennessee do not magically become Tennessee victories.  They still count as losses for Tennessee.  I'm just finishing up for the evening, but I will take a look at the problem you've identified above.  Don't get into an edit war with the IP user; it can sit over night.  If it's what you described, I'll be happy to explain the situation to the IP (assuming he will listen), and other WP:CFB editors will back you.  This has been discussed repeatedly at the WP:CFB talk page, and most the crew knows the drill.  Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 03:56, 17 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Thanks, I came to you since you was the first to welcome me to wika with respect. I looked at this persons page and they are a UTK. I really dislike the team however they are SEC and I respect the school and try to keep it correct as possible. MDSanker 11:57, 17 August 2012 (UTC)


 * MDS, I think I've discovered what half of the dispute is about. Penn State played Tennessee in the Outback Bowl in 2007, with Penn State winning.  Per NCAA penalties, Penn State has vacated its victory 9as noted in the records table in the Tennessee Volunteers football article).  The NCAA policy says that regular season wins are vacated by the penalized team, but the opponent retains the losses as part of its record.  The policy is different for NCAA tournament wins: the penalized team's NCAA tournament wins are vacated and the opponent's NCAA tournament losses are vacated, too.  Here, we are talking about a postseason bowl game, but not an NCAA tournament game.  This is a gray area, and I have not seen anything official from the NCAA regarding how they are treating bowl games.  This may require some additional research (or a phone call to NCAA headquarters in Indianapolis).


 * That accounts for one of the two UT losses in dispute. Do you have any idea what the second one is that the IP thinks no longer counts?  Could it be the 2005 regular season game against Alabama?  Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 13:12, 17 August 2012 (UTC)


 * I'd have to bet this person has no clue really as to the matter. He is quoating http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/stats/football_records/2012/fbs.pdf as his sorse page 64. To me this is just a typo on ther doc. Thanks Mickey D. Sanker  MDSanker 14:59, 17 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Hello have you had a chance to look at the page?  MDSanker 12:57, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

Ryan Nece
In response to your comment at Copyright problems/2012 July 13, the proper way to deal with a copyright violation is by replacing the violation with Template:Copyvio and then adding it at WP:CP. See this for better instructions. Theleftorium (talk) 14:03, 18 August 2012 (UTC)