User talk:Dirtlawyer1/Archives/2016/October

Orphaned non-free images
Dirtlawyer, I know you haven't been around since April 2016, but you are certainly missed! The following files are orphaned and up for deletion: Corkythe hornetfan  (ping me) 01:40, 23 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Is the issue for all of them that they are non-free and orphaned, or are there any other issues? --Tryptofish (talk) 02:26, 23 October 2016 (UTC)
 * It looks to me like you have made the edits that orphaned them. Would it be possible to re-use the images elsewhere on the same pages? --Tryptofish (talk) 02:29, 23 October 2016 (UTC)
 * I removed them to keep consistent with a majority of the athletic articles on Wikipedia. The files all complied with non-free guidelines. I don't really see the point in using them further down in the articles, since they would generally belong in the infobox. They would just be decorations whic violates WP:NFCC. Wordmarks are perfectly fine in these articles, and/or until a PNG transparent version (or SVG) can be made, I don't see the point and keeping them. Corkythe hornetfan  (ping me) 03:19, 23 October 2016 (UTC)
 * The series of Gator head logos with a specific sport name underneath was the result of a loooong argument/discussion over the use of that logo on various UF sports articles. Even though it's used by every sports program at the school and this should be fine per WP:FAIRUSE, self-deputized members of the relentless Wiki FairUse Police Force declared that it was being used on "too many" articles, an unreasonable and totally subjective decision which only makes sense in their own small-minded universe. Several palaverous debates over the issue eventually resulted in our dear Dirtlawyer forging a compromise in which a specific version of the logo could be used in the infobox of each team. (He explained the agreement in detail on this talk page: File talk:Gators baseball logo.jpeg.)


 * I see absolutely no reason to remove/delete all of the images listed below. The Gator head logo looks MUCH better than the wordmark ("horrible", Corky??? Really???), and, after all, it's the actual logo used by all of these teams. Unless somebody can convince me otherwise, I'm going to revert all the changes this evening. Zeng8r (talk) 15:12, 23 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Jesus. I'd hate to stay consistent among all Wikipedia articles. Apparently, UF is just so special. Give me a week and I'll create a PNG or vector image. Just FYI: when I referred to "horrible", I was talking about the  of the  image. Corkythe  hornetfan  (ping me) 15:40, 23 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks. The topic is pretty far from my own editing knowledge (other than that I know about NFCC and I'm trying to look out for Dirtlawyer1). I see that other editors are looking at the issue now, and I'll leave it to all of you. Thanks again. --Tryptofish (talk) 19:42, 23 October 2016 (UTC)
 * I didn't say that UF articles deserved special treatment, just common sense treatment. Neither Dirtlawyer nor I had (or have) the time and energy needed to fight the battle for every college program. Using the proper logo makes sense here, and that's what I'm arguing for. Zeng8r (talk) 22:55, 23 October 2016 (UTC)

Florida Gators logos

 * File:Gators football logo.jpg
 * File:Gators volleyball logo.jpeg
 * File:Gators track & field logo.jpeg
 * File:Gators swimming & diving logo.jpeg
 * File:Gators softball logo.jpeg
 * File:Gators soccer logo.jpg
 * File:Gators lacrosse logo.jpeg
 * File:Gators gymnastics logo.jpg
 * File:Gators golf logo.jpeg
 * File:Gators cross country logo.jpeg
 * File:Gators women's tennis logo.jpeg
 * File:Gators men's tennis logo.jpeg
 * File:Gators baseball logo.jpeg
 * File:Gators women's basketball logo.jpeg

Flags in athlete infoboxes in another area
Hey Dirtlawyer. Hope life is well for you.

So, today I come across Jimmy Walker (golfer), thanks to the article being on the "In the news" section on the mainpage. Seeing USA in use on the infobox in violation of WP:INFOBOXFLAG, I removed it. An hour later, it was restored. This golfer has made ___258___ PGA appearances representing himself and only himself and also played outside the US without representing the US, and just __2__ appearances representing the U.S. Yet, we have to decorate the infobox with a flag. Why?

Sigh. Yet another special area that has a special exclusion not listed anywhere or in any guideline. I see from Template talk:Infobox golfer/Archive 2 that you engaged in discussion there, but it predates the results of the community efforts at Infobox swimmer.

I despise these special exclusions and unwritten rules. It frustrates good faith editors who are trying to do the right thing with known guidelines, creates work for the people policing in favor of the unwritten rules, and creates a haphazard style appearance across the project.

Not asking you to do anything really. Just frustrated and venting. --Hammersoft (talk) 15:30, 3 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Uhg, and now I just noticed you've been gone since April :(((((((( You are missed. --Hammersoft (talk) 18:56, 4 August 2016 (UTC)
 * I thought about replying here to give you a heads up. He's indeed missed. Efforts to contact him by email have been futile, so no one has any idea what's going on. What I find most odd is his seemingly random comebacks for 1 or 2 edits before taking off into the wind again. Notice, he's actually been gone for a bit longer than April. Lizard  (talk) 19:35, 4 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks. From this edit he says he's "buried" (i.e. busy of course :)), so it would seem his absence may be temporary. I hope. --Hammersoft (talk) 19:43, 4 August 2016 (UTC)
 * It occurred to me that I hadn't seen him around in quite some time, so I checked here and saw this. Dirtlawyer1, you are missed by me too, and I hope to see you back soon. --Tryptofish (talk) 19:56, 5 August 2016 (UTC)


 * You're still missed :( --Hammersoft (talk) 15:34, 27 October 2016 (UTC)