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 * Thanks for the heads up. I suppose it is now becoming a bit long and janky thanks to all the competition notifications I get.--Discott (talk) 09:37, 19 June 2022 (UTC)

WikiCup 2022 July newsletter
The third round of the 2022 WikiCup has now come to an end. Each of the sixteen contestants who made it into the fourth round had at least 180 points, which is a lower figure than last year when 294 points were needed to progress to round 4. Our top scorers in round 3 were:


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WMZA Membership - TapticInfo
Hi Discott, Hope you been well spamming everyone with Wikimania 2022 invites. I just want to enquire about Wikimedia ZA Membership. I recently filled out the Google form and want to know how I can make a crypto currency donation and What I could do to help. TapticInfo (talk) 07:11, 19 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Hi, thank you for the enquirey and I see that you have made an application to join the chapter which is great! Shupai should have gotten back to you confirming your membership by now. If not then please let me know. The application process is straight forward in that it simply involves filing out a short form and making an annual donation of any amount to the chapter. The donation acts as the membership due. You are more than welcome to make the donation in crypto. The best way to help is just to get involved in chapter activities by volunteering to help out with events, attending meetups (it has been great seeing you in them), and/or offering to organise your own Wiki related events. --Discott (talk) 10:05, 26 July 2022 (UTC)

Hi, Thanks for getting back to me. I haven’t received a Email from Shupai yet. TapticInfo (talk) 19:04, 26 July 2022 (UTC)

Hi Again, Shupai Has reached out on my talk page, I think there was an error with me filling out the Google form, but I’m still waiting for an email and where to donate. TapticInfo (talk) 17:06, 29 July 2022 (UTC)

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The fourth round of the WikiCup has now finished. 383 points were required to reach the final, and the new round has got off to a flying start with all finalists already scoring. In round 4, Bloom6132 with 939 points was the highest points-scorer, with a combination of DYKs and In the news items, followed by BennyOnTheLoose, Sammi Brie and Lee Vilenski. The points of all contestants are swept away as we start afresh for the final round.

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UCT
Hello @Discott. Your recent edits seem to be quite one-sided because the media reports you cite have some glaring inaccuracies. Since Wikipedia has a neutral point of view policy, here is the statement from UCT rebutting several of the media claims. It is also interesting that her recent African Education Medal was not mentioned at all, but only inaccurate information which may paint her in an unfavorable light. Ear-phone (talk) 15:14, 9 October 2022 (UTC)

@Bobbyshabangu Ear-phone (talk) 15:14, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
 * @, thank you for pointing out the rebuttal and the need to add it to the relevant page. I did try to be neutral by adding statements the VC's self proclaimed supporters made but I had not seen the the UCT rebuttal by the time I made those additions. I also feel that adding citations from additional sources would be good for the article and NPOV because currently the section is too heavily reliant on the Daily Maverick. Please do add the new citations you have mentioned. I can also do it but I feel it would be better for NPOV if someone else also contributed to this section. As for inaccuracies within the media sources (mostly Daily Maverick I assume), beyond the ones I read about (and disputed/refuted by the Daily Maverick) in this article (which I read this morning) I am not aware of any in these sources. That is why I think it needs more people than just me editing that article and section as there will be more people picking up on these sorts of issues. --Discott (talk) 16:26, 9 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Hello @Discott. Thank you for the links. I had already added the Africa Medal Award. My primary question is: Why do you find (contested) prejudicial content on the UCT Vice-Chancellor despite the fact that there is bona fide (non-contested) favorable content as well? Why do you expect someone else to present a neutral point of view, while you edit in a particular way?
 * Wikipedia has a policy regarding Biographies of living persons, which states that, "Contentious material about living persons...must be removed immediately and without waiting for discussion". The section on controversy is arguably the longest, also detailing events from her first term, yet this is a UCT Vice-Chancellor who was re-appointed to a second term resoundingly via an extensive consultative process.
 * @Bobbyshabangu
 * Ear-phone (talk) 17:15, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
 * @, It seems you misunderstood me. I apologize if I might have been unclear in my previous reply. I do not (as you said) "expect someone else to present a neutral point of view." I always try to maintain NPOV in my edits as I thought I made clear in my previous reply. I am simply recognising that the pursuit of NPOV requires a collective effort. That things that might seem NPOV to some people might not seem NPOV to others. In reply to your point on the biographies section I would like to point out that the full section of that policy states "contentious material about living persons that is unsourced or poorly sourced should be removed immediately and without discussion." The section in question clearly was not "unsourced" and I do not believe that that section was poorly sourced, indeed it cites multiple sources. As such it wild be improper to remove it without first discussing the issue on the talk page. I don't see how the possibility that the Controversy section of the subject's page is the longest is relevant here. I saw that there was an issue of public interest being talked about in the public in multiple reliable sources (or sources usually regarded as reliable) and I decided to make a contribution that I thought would improve the relevant article based upon that source. I did so in good faith and in the belief that it was notable and in the public interest. I make these sorts of edits all the time as do thousands of other Wikipedia editors on a regular basis. I still believe these references are good sources, both in general and on the subject at hand here. If you disagree with that then we will need to discuss, on the article talk page, why you believe the sources I used are bad or otherwise untrustworthy.--Discott (talk) 22:09, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
 * On another issue, you seem to be suggesting that I am cherry picking my references. If so that is an accusation I would strongly reject. At the time I made those edits I did try to find references that refuted or presented an alternative point of view. I was unsuccessful at the time. I did not check for such sources daily to make any updates as I was not following the story on a daily basis but rather hap haphazardly, that is reasonable and I would venture to say 'normal' Wiki behaviour. Sometimes I am slow to add content as I might a) wait a while to see how the issue might progress so I can get a better understanding of it or b) might hope that someone else might pickup where I left off or c) get distracted by life. My assumption was that this is Wikipedia, a wiki where other people can also add, update, change and/or correct items where needs be. That be as it may, I do wish to thank you for bringing UCT's retort to my attention and, as such, have decided to update the article with it and the Daily Maverick's responce to it. If you feel that I have been incomplete in anyway or made any errors then please feel free to also contribute to the article. Discott (talk) 22:53, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Why would one 'edit' haphazardly (to use your word) a topic that is contentious and clearly evolving when according to Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons, "Editors must take particular care when adding information about living persons to any Wikipedia page. Such material requires a high degree of sensitivity, ...". I find it interesting that her winning a very notable education award around the same time was information not found and added. This award is in the public interest, which I added subsequently. Like you, I came to this article because of the recent media attention, but it was quite easy to find reliable information refuting the sources that cite anonymous persons and read more like sensational journalism. If you "always try to maintain NPOV in my edits" (to use your words), why would it be a haphazard process and why is there disproportionate focus on contentious material potentially prejudicial with favorable non-contentious material also in the public interest not included? Ear-phone (talk) 23:41, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
 * @ Again I feel as though you have misinterpreted me. I did NOT say I was editing "hapazardly", I did say that I was following the story "haphazardly." Like most people do when following any news item. I did not obsessively follow the story as it unfolded in the media but rather when I had time to check or happened to come across articles once I had already added the section. It seems as though most of the sources presenting a view favorable to the subject had come out after I had written the bulk of that section. I have explained that I did try to find sources that presented an alternative point of view to the DM and News24 but was unsuccessful at the time. If you feel you have found such sources then please feel free to add them. This is a Wiki after all, it is collective project.
 * As for the award, I was unaware of the award until you mentioned it to me. Thank you for adding it, I encourage you to continue to edit and improve the article. The focus on the controversy in my most recent editing of the article was because that was the subject I was trying to understand and so that was what I was researching.
 * At this point I would like to point out that I feel as though you are trying to catch me out in a gotcha moment. This makes me feel as though you are not engaging with me on this issue in good faith. I hope that I am wrong here but even if I am not I would still encourage adopting the assumption of good faith. Discott (talk) 06:07, 10 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Thank you for your comments, . You keep asking me to add to this article as if I haven't already done so voluntarily. By the way, this ongoing conversation is also helpful because it has resulted in modifications to the articles. It appears that you view me as your lackey who requires encouragement to contribute to this particular topic.
 * We occasionally end up editing the same article, possibly because we both favor South African-related articles. I thought back to a time when you posted information to a Wikipedia page (see our 2020 discussion - Allegations section) that could be taken negatively about the subject, despite Wikipedia policy saying that if a denial has been made, it should also be included. Even if I don't know much about these developing stories, it still surprises me that when I Google a subject for a biography, I can readily find non-controversial information of public interest that is not included and would offer NPOV, frequently near the top of search results. You, however, assert that you are unaware of this information's existence.
 * I appreciate your discourse and conversation. I'll continue on to other topics. Ear-phone (talk) 12:38, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
 * @Ear-phone: I hope you can forgive me for feeling a bit frustrated with this conversation as I feel as though you are consistently interpreting all of my attempts at genuine encouragement and inclusion in a constantly negative light. I in no way view you, or anyone else, as my "lackey." I am simply trying to encourage people to edit Wikipedia if they feel there is anything missing, areas of improvement that are needed, NPOV that could be improved, or if any errors have been made; and that they are welcome to make changes as some editors might feel cautious editing someone else's work.
 * You complained that the section I added was problematic which is fine, even if I sometimes disagree with you or might fail to see what about my writing is problematic given the time frame within which it was written in. This is where this being a Wiki comes in as I, as should all Wikipedia editors, rely on other editors to help 'complete' an article. This completion can be in the form of more information, keeping it up-to-date, editing better pros, better article structure or something else. However it is hard for me to take these criticisms seriously if you are not prepared to try and correct, or at least make suggestions on how to correct an issue. Something constructive. Instead I feel as though I am being treated with hostility and vague insinuations of bias.
 * I also feel a bit frustrated because I don't even know what edits you hope to see being made to the article in question. Do you want the addition of rebuttals, that is great and I am happy to add them (I also agree that it is very important to add them) but why do I have to be the one to always add it and why the unrealistic expectation that I need to be able to know about them as soon as they are public? Do you want the whole section to be deleted? That would be problematic. Do you want me to stop adding controversy sections to articles? That would also be problematic and, I feel, not in the public interest. Do you want me to edit an article as a whole when I choose to edit it at one particular time? If so then surely it is up to what I, as an unpaid volunteer editor, feel like editing in the moment; ie, it is an editor's personal choice to edit what and when they feel like? Also, for many articles, that is often not plausible given the size and complexity of some articles. Discott (talk) 14:17, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry you feel that way. We obviously don't share the same core understanding of what NPOV is, thus I want to move on. I want to start editing other articles. You claim, "if you are not prepared to try and correct, or at least make suggestions on how to correct an issue". As previously noted, I made voluntary edits to the article to try to improve NPOV and add more details. Ironically, you added some of this information, from the links I found, when you updated the article. I concur that "it is an editor's personal choice to edit what and when they feel like", but within the existing frameworks and policy. I'm hoping you'll let me make the very personal decisions you espouse. The very best wishes to you. Ear-phone (talk) 14:55, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
 * @Ear-phone: all edits on Wikipedia should be voluntary, I would be very worried if anyone wasn't making edits voluntarily with the freedom to edit on what ever subject they wish (so long as there is no conflict of interests) and to do so when ever they wish. We are all unpaid volunteers after all; excluding the very small minority of paid editors (a rightly frowned upon activity). I am not so sure we do "obviously don't share the same core understanding of what NPOV is." I am interested in knowing how you feel it might be different but I am worried if we have a different "core understanding" of what it is. I suspect we might rather have a different philosophy of how NPOV is achieved and possibly different expectations of our fellow editors.
 * My philosophy is that achieving NPOV is like a quest for the holy grail in that we must always strive for it even if it is impossible to achieve at times. A quest that requires many, and ideally a diverse, group of people; in addition to time, and constant work and all governed by the Wikipedia NPOV guidelines. That 'what is NPOV' on a different subjects tend to evolve over time even though its path is dictated up the principles of Wikipedia's NPOV rules. I think it would be presumptive of me to assume what your view is but from what I can tell it seems to be a bit different from the one I just outlined.
 * Having said that I also wish you all the very best and would like to thank you for all the excellent edits you have made; both on South Africa related articles and on medical related articles. Given your interest in medical topics I would like to respectfully suggest that you consider joining Wiki Project Medicine (if you are not already a member). They are a truly excellent thematic group on Wikipedia that are always doing a wide range of interesting projects. They are by far the biggest and best organised thematic group that I am aware of on Wikipedia. Discott (talk) 15:54, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your comments . You keep giving me these unsolicited encouragements/suggestions about what I should consider/do, as if I've never considered these things or participated in such activities/projects before/currently. I find this patronizing. That is why I said, I am not your lackey. That is another reason I wish to move on from this discussion. I am no longer going to reply. BW. Ear-phone (talk) 19:39, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
 * @Ear-phone, I apologise for trying to be helpful. I promise not to do so with you again. Discott (talk) 07:49, 13 October 2022 (UTC)

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WikiCup 2022 November newsletter
The 2022 WikiCup has drawn to a close with the final round going down to the wire. The 2022 champion is
 * 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 Lee Vilenski (1752 points), who won in 2020 and was runner up in both 2019 and last year. In the final round he achieved 3 FAs and 15 GAs, mostly on cue sports. He was closely followed by
 * Bloom6132 (1732), who specialised in "In the news" items and DYKs, and who has reached the final round of the Cup for the past three years. Next was
 * ICS Zulu.svg BennyOnTheLoose (1238), another cue sports enthusiast, also interested in songs, followed by
 * Muboshgu (1082), an "In the news" contributor, a seasoned contestant who first took part in the Cup ten years ago. Other finalists were
 * Transgender Pride flag.svg Sammi Brie (930), who scored with a featured article, good articles and DYKs on TV and radio stations,
 * 🇺🇳 Kavyansh.Singh (370), who created various articles on famous Americans, including an FA on Louis H. Bean, famed for his prediction of election outcomes. Next was
 * PCN02WPS (292), who scored with good articles and DYKs on sporting and other topics and
 * Z1720 (25) who had DYKs on various topics including historic Canadians.

During the WikiCup, contestants achieved 37 featured articles, 349 good articles, 360 featured article reviews, 683 good article reviews and 480 In the news items, so Wikipedia has benefited greatly from the activities of WikiCup competitors. Well done everyone! All those who reached the final round will receive awards and the following special awards will be made, based on high performance in particular areas of content creation and review. So that the finalists do not have an undue advantage, these prizes are awarded to the competitor who scored the highest in any particular field in a single round, or the overall leader in this field.


 * 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 Lee Vilenski wins the featured article prize, for a total of 6 FAs during the course of the competition and 3 in the final round.
 * 🇺🇳 Kavyansh.Singh wins the featured list prize, for 3 FLs in round 2.
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 * Z1720 wins the featured article reviewer prize, for 35 FARs in round 4.
 * Epicgenius wins the good article prize, for 32 GAs in round 1.
 * Flag of Provo, Utah (1989–2015).svg SounderBruce wins the featured topic prize, for 4 FT articles in round 1.
 * 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 Lee Vilenski wins the good topic prize, for 34 GT articles in round 5.
 * Transgender Pride flag.svg Sammi Brie wins the good article reviewer prize, for 71 GARs overall.
 * Transgender Pride flag.svg Sammi Brie wins the Did you know prize, for 30 DYKs in round 3 and 106 overall.
 * Bloom6132 wins the In the news prize, for 106 ITNs in round 5 and 289 overall.

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WikiCup 2023 March newsletter
So ends the first round of the 2023 WikiCup. Everyone with a positive score moved on to Round 2, with 54 contestants qualifying. The top scorers in Round 1 were:


 * Unlimitedlead with 1205 points, a WikiCup newcomer, led the field with two featured articles on historical figures and several featured article candidate reviews.
 * Epicgenius was in second place with 789 points; a seasoned WikiCup competitor he specialises in buildings and locations in New York.
 * 🇩🇪 FrB.TG was in third place with 625 points, garnered from a featured article on a filmmaker which qualified for an impressive number of bonus points.
 * 🇺🇸 TheJoebro64, another WikiCup newcomer, came next with 600 points gained from two featured articles on video games.
 * Iazyges was in fifth place with 532 points, from two featured articles on classical history.

The top sixteen contestants at the end of Round 1 had all scored over 300 points; these included LunaEatsTuna,  Thebiguglyalien,  Sammi Brie,  Trainsandotherthings,  🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 Lee Vilenski, 🇮🇩 Juxlos,  Unexpectedlydian,  SounderBruce, 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿 Kosack,  BennyOnTheLoose and  PCN02WPS. It was a high-scoring start to the competition.

These contestants, like all the others, now have to start again from scratch. The first round finished on February 26. Remember that any content promoted after that date but before the start of Round 2 can be claimed in Round 2. Some contestants made claims before the new submissions pages were set up, and they will need to resubmit them. Invitations for collaborative writing efforts or any other discussion of potentially interesting work is always welcome on the WikiCup talk page. Remember, if two or more WikiCup competitors have done significant work on an article, all can claim points. If you are concerned that your nomination—whether it is at good article candidates, a featured process, or anywhere else—will not receive the necessary reviews, please list it on WikiCup/Reviews Needed.

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WikiCup 2023 May newsletter
The second round of the 2023 WikiCup has now finished. Contestants needed to have scored 60 points to advance into round 3. Our top five scorers in round 2 all included a featured article among their submissions and each scored over 500 points. They were:


 * Iazyges (1040) with three FAs on Byzantine emperors, and lots of bonus points.
 * Unlimitedlead (847), with three FAs on ancient history, one GA and nine reviews.
 * Epicgenius (636), a WikiCup veteran, with one FA on the New Amsterdam Theatre, four GAs and eleven DYKs
 * BennyOnTheLoose (553), a seasoned competitor, with one FA on snooker, six GAs and seven reviews.
 * 🇩🇪 FrB.TG (525), with one FA, a Lady Gaga song and a mass of bonus points.

Other notable performances were put in by Sammi Brie,  Thebiguglyalien,  MyCatIsAChonk,  PCN02WPS, and  AirshipJungleman29.

So far contestants have achieved thirteen featured articles between them, one being a joint effort, and forty-nine good articles. The judges are pleased with the thorough reviews that are being performed, and have hardly had to reject any. As we enter the third round, remember that any content promoted after the end of round 2 but before the start of round 3 can be claimed in round 3. Remember too that you must claim your points within 14 days of "earning" them.

If you are concerned that your nomination—whether it is at good article nominations, a featured process, or anywhere else—will not receive the necessary reviews, please list it on WikiCup/Reviews Needed (remember to remove your listing when no longer required). Questions are welcome on Wikipedia talk:WikiCup, and the judges are reachable on their talk pages or by email. Good luck! If you wish to start or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove your name from WikiCup/Newsletter/Send. Sturmvogel 66 and Cwmhiraeth. MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 08:14, 2 May 2023 (UTC)

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Next editions of Wiki Loves Plants In Benin
Salut Discott. I hope you're doing well. They call me Mermoze Adodo in real life. I am a founding member of Wikimédiens du Bénin User Group. I came across the Commons:Wiki Loves Plants contest by chance at the beginning of January 2023. I am contacting you to see how we could organize it in Benin in 2024 or others next editions because we have been working with some partners in the field of promoting the environment and biodiversity within the framework of Wiki Loves Earth contest since 2019. We would like to know the practical and technical arrangements to be made, do we need to ask for a grant etc. Kindly Regards Adoscam (talk) 08:57, 27 June 2023 (UTC)


 * Hi @Adoscam, sorry for the slow reply. This is great news and I would be delighted for WM Benin to host a Wiki Loves Plants. Send me a direct message and we can talk more about the details of a Benin Wiki Loves Plants. I do want to add though that we are trying to host Wiki Loves Plants every second year so the next one is planned for 2025. There are two reasons why we are doing this, the first is that it is a lot of work and to reduce participation fatigue, the second is that we dont want it to overlap with Wiki Loves Science which takes place every second year (so on 2022, 2024, 2026, and so on). Instead Wikimedia South Africa tries to focus on doing a Wiki Loves Science event on those years and then in the years when it is not happening we do Wiki Loves Plants. I am also more than happy to help you out in doing a Wiki Loves Science event in 2024.- Discott (talk) 12:19, 6 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Awesome
 * I have also been interested in Wiki Loves Science contest for years but I did not know it was possible and I searched for information in vain. Thank you for your return. I just sent you a private message hoping for your return. Best Adoscam (talk) 18:01, 6 July 2023 (UTC)

WikiCup 2023 July newsletter
The third round of the 2023 WikiCup has come to an end. The 16 users who made it to the fourth round had at least 175 points. Our top scorers in round 3 were:


 * Thebiguglyalien, with 919 points from a featured article on Frances Cleveland as well as five good articles and many reviews,
 * Unlimitedlead, with 862 points from a high-scoring featured articles on Henry II of England and numerous reviews,
 * Iazyges, with 560 points from a high-scoring featured article on Tiberius III.

Contestants achieved 11 featured articles, 2 featured lists, 47 good articles, 72 featured or good article reviews, over 100 DYKs and 40 ITN appearances. As always, any content promoted after the end of round 3 but before the start of round 4 can be claimed in round 4. Please also remember that you must claim your points within 14 days of "earning" them. When doing GARs, please make sure that you check that all the GA criteria are fully met. Please also remember that all submissions must meet core Wikipedia policies, regardless of the review process.

If you are concerned that your nomination—whether it is at good article nominations, a featured process, or anywhere else—will not receive the necessary reviews, please list it on WikiCup/Reviews Needed (remember to remove your listing when no longer required). Questions are welcome on Wikipedia talk:WikiCup, and the judges are reachable on their talk pages or by email. Good luck! If you wish to start or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove your name from WikiCup/Newsletter/Send. Sturmvogel 66 (talk) and Cwmhiraeth (talk). MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 15:18, 8 July 2023 (UTC)

WikiCup 2023 September newsletter
The fourth round of the competition has finished, with anyone scoring less than 673 points being eliminated. It was a high scoring round with all but one of the contestants who progressed to the final having achieved an FA during the round. The highest scorers were


 * Epicgenius, with 2173 points topping the scores, gained mainly from a featured article, 38 good articles and 9 DYKs. He was followed by
 * Sammi Brie, with 1575 points, gained mainly from a featured article, 28 good articles and 50 good article reviews. Close behind was
 * Thebiguglyalien, with 1535 points mainly gained from a featured article, 15 good articles, 26 good article reviews and lots of bonus points.

Between them during round 4, contestants achieved 12 featured articles, 3 featured lists, 3 featured pictures, 126 good articles, 46 DYK entries, 14 ITN entries, 67 featured article candidate reviews and 147 good article reviews. Congratulations to our eight finalists and all who participated! It was a generally high-scoring and productive round and I think we can expect a highly competitive finish to the competition.

Remember that any content promoted after the end of round 4 but before the start of round 5 can be claimed in round 5. Remember too that you must claim your points within 10 days of "earning" them and within 24 hours of the end of the final. If you are concerned that your nomination will not receive the necessary reviews, please list it on WikiCup/Reviews. It would be helpful if this list could be cleared of any items no longer relevant. If you want to help out with the WikiCup, please do your bit to keep down the review backlogs! Questions are welcome on Wikipedia talk:WikiCup, and the judges are reachable on their talk pages or by email. If you wish to start or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove your name from WikiCup/Newsletter/Send.

I will be standing down as a judge after the end of the contest. I think the Cup encourages productive editors to improve their contributions to Wikipedia and I hope that someone else will step up to take over the running of the Cup. Sturmvogel 66 (talk), and Cwmhiraeth (talk)

WikiCup 2023 November newsletter
The WikiCup is a marathon rather than a sprint and all those reaching the final round have been involved in the competition for the last ten months, improving Wikipedia vastly during the process. After all this hard work, BeanieFan11 has emerged as the 2023 winner and the WikiCup Champion. The finalists this year were:-


 * BeanieFan11 with 2582 points
 * Thebiguglyalien with 1615 points
 * Epicgenius with 1518 points
 * MyCatIsAChonk with 1012 points
 * BennyOnTheLoose with 974 points
 * AirshipJungleman29 with 673 points
 * Sammi Brie with 520 points
 * Unlimitedlead with 5 points

Congratulations to everyone who participated in this year's WikiCup, whether they made it to the final round or not, and particular congratulations to the newcomers to the competition, some of whom did very well. Wikipedia has benefitted greatly from the quality creations, expansions and improvements made, and the numerous reviews performed. All those who reached the final round will win awards. The following special awards will be made based on high performance in particular areas of content creation and review. Awards will be handed out in the next few days.


 * Unlimitedlead wins the featured article prize, for 7 FAs in total including 3 in round 2.
 * MyCatIsAChonk wins the featured list prize, for 5 FLs in total.
 * 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 Lee Vilenski wins the featured topic prize, for a 6-article featured topic in round 4.
 * MyCatIsAChonk wins the featured picture prize, for 6 FPs in total.
 * BeanieFan11 wins the good article prize, for 75 GAs in total, including 61 in the final round.
 * Epicgenius wins the good topic prize, for a 41-article good topic in the final round.
 * LunaEatsTuna wins the GA reviewer prize, for 70 GA reviews in round 1.
 * MyCatIsAChonk wins the FA reviewer prize, for 66 FA reviews in the final round.
 * Epicgenius wins the DYK prize, for 49 did you know articles in total.
 * 🇺🇦 Muboshgu wins the ITN prize, for 46 in the news articles in total.

The WikiCup has run every year since 2007. With the 2023 contest now concluded, I will be standing down as a judge due to real life commitments, so I hope that another editor will take over running the competition. Please get in touch if you are interested. Next year's competition will hopefully begin on 1 January 2024. You are invited to sign up to participate in the contest; the WikiCup is open to all Wikipedians, both novices and experienced editors. It only remains to congratulate our worthy winners once again and thank all participants for their involvement! (If you wish to start or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove your name from WikiCup/Newsletter/Send.) Sturmvogel 66 and Cwmhiraeth. MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 16:51, 5 November 2023 (UTC)

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Welcome to the 2024 WikiCup!
Happy New Year and Happy New WikiCup! The 2024 competition has just begun and all article creators, expanders, improvers and reviewers are welcome to take part. Even if you are a novice editor you should be able to advance to at least the second round, improving your editing skills as you go. If you have already signed up, your submissions page can be found here. If you have not yet signed up, you can add your name here and the judges will set up your submissions page ready for you to take part. Any questions on the scoring, rules or anything else should be directed to one of the judges, or posted to the WikiCup talk page. Signups will close on 31 January, and the first round will end on 26 February; the 64 highest scorers at that time will move on to round 2. The judges for the WikiCup this year are:, , and. Good luck! If you wish to start or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove your name from WikiCup/Newsletter/Send. MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 00:21, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

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WikiCup 2024 February newsletter
The 2024 WikiCup is off to a flying start, with 135 participants. This is the largest number of participants we have seen since 2017.

Our current leader is newcomer, who has one FA on John Littlejohn (preacher) and 10 GAs and 12 DYKs mostly on New Zealand coinage and Inuit figures. Here are some more noteworthy scorers:


 * , with one FA on Hö'elün, two GAs on Mongolia-related articles, and two DYKs;
 * , with one FA on Doom (2016 video game), one GA on Boundary Fire (2017), and 11 reviews;
 * , with one FA on Holidays (Meghan Trainor song), a nine-article FT on 30 (album), and two DYKs;
 * , with one FA on OneShot and one DYK;
 * , with five GAs and five DYKs on television and radio stations;
 * and, both with one FA and one DYK each.

As a reminder, competitors may submit work for the first round until 23:59 (UTC) on 27 February, and the second round starts 1 March. Remember that only the top 64 scoring competitors will make it through to the second round; currently, competitors need at least 15 points to progress. If you are concerned that your nomination will not receive the necessary reviews, and you hope to get it promoted before the end of the round, please list it on WikiCup/Reviews. However, please remember to continue to offer reviews at GAN, FAC and all the other pages that require them to prevent any backlogs which could otherwise be caused by the Cup. As ever, questions are welcome on Wikipedia talk:WikiCup and the judges (,, and ) are reachable on their talk pages. Good luck! If you wish to start or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove your name from WikiCup/Newsletter/Send. MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 17:58, 11 February 2024 (UTC)

Warship cost equivalencies
I'm not sure that you can really come up with a valid figure for these. Mainly because the capabilities are so much different with electronics becoming ever greater percentages of the ships' costs. The best you might be probably able to do is calculate the warship's cost as a percentage of the navy's shipbuilding budget, IMO.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 23:22, 25 February 2024 (UTC)


 * Hi, yes it is tricky. I have been looking into this and I suspect that the most accurate measure is relative output/economic share. This measure is used for government projects like infrastructure and measures the cost of the project on the economy at the time. I was hoping that the GDP-UK function on the template I was using would display this amount but it only seems to do retail level equivalent worth which is only really good for biography articles. I checked the economic share equivalent amount for £377,292 in 1861 and it comes up to be £1,154,000,000 in 2023. This £1,154,000,000 figure seems more in line with government military projects for a high-tech capital ship in today's money and so is more relevant to this ship as an equivalent worth. --Discott (talk) 10:14, 26 February 2024 (UTC)
 * That does seem a reasonable "ballpark" figure.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 10:22, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

WikiCup 2024 March newsletter
The first round of the 2024 WikiCup ended at 23:59 (UTC) on 27 February. Everyone with at least 30 points moved on to Round 2, the highest number of points required to advance to the second round since 2014. Due to a six-way tie for the 64th-place spot, 67 contestants have qualified for Round 2.

The following scorers in Round 1 all scored more than 300 points:


 * , who has 916 points mostly from one FA on John Littlejohn (preacher), 15 GAs, and 16 DYKs on a variety of topics including New Zealand coinage and Inuit figures, in addition to seven reviews
 * , who has 790 points from two FAs on Felix M. Warburg House and Doom (2016 video game), two GAs, one DYK, and 11 reviews
 * , who has 580 points from one FA on Hö'elün, two GAs on Mongolia-related articles, two DYKs, and five reviews
 * , who has 420 points mostly from nine GAs and seven DYKs on television and radio stations
 * , who has 351 points from one FA on Holidays (Meghan Trainor song), a nine-article FT on 30 (album), and three DYKs
 * , who has 345 points from one FA on OneShot, one DYK and two reviews

In this newsletter, the judges would like to pay a special tribute to, who unfortunately passed away this February. At the time of his death, he was the second-highest-scoring competitor. Outside the WikiCup, he had eight other featured articles, five A-class articles, eight other good articles, and two Four Awards. Vami also wrote an essay on completionism, a philosophy in which he deeply believed. If you can, please join us in honoring his memory by improving one of the articles on his to-do list.

Remember that any content promoted after 27 February but before the start of Round 2 can be claimed in Round 2. Invitations for collaborative writing efforts or any other discussion of potentially interesting work is always welcome on the WikiCup talk page. Remember, if two or more WikiCup competitors have done significant work on an article, all can claim points. If you are concerned that your nomination—whether it is at good article candidates, a featured process, or anywhere else—will not receive the necessary reviews, please list it on WikiCup/Reviews Needed. If you want to help out with the WikiCup, feel free to review one of the nominations listed on Wikipedia:WikiCup/Reviews Needed. Questions are welcome on Wikipedia talk:WikiCup, and the judges are reachable on their talk pages. Good luck! If you wish to start or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove your name from WikiCup/Newsletter/Send. MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 00:40, 28 February 2024 (UTC)

WikiCup 2024 April newsletter
We are approaching the end of the 2024 WikiCup's second round, with a little over two weeks remaining. Currently, contestants must score at least 105 points to progress to the third round.

Our current top scorers are as follows:


 * with 642 points, mostly from 11 GAs about radio and television;
 * with 530 points, mostly from two FAs (Well he would, wouldn't he? and Cora Agnes Benneson) and three GAs;
 * with 523 points, mostly from 11 GAs about coinage and history;
 * with 497 points, mostly from a FA about the 2020 season of the soccer club Seattle Sounders FC and two GAs;
 * with 410 points, mostly from a FA about the drink Capri-Sun and three GAs;
 * with 330 points, mostly from a FA about the English botanist Anna Blackburne and a GA.

Competitors may submit work for the second round until the end of 28 April, and the third round starts 1 May. Remember that only competitors with the top 32 scores will make it through to the third round. If you are concerned that your nomination will not receive the necessary reviews, and you hope to get it promoted before the end of the round, please list it on WikiCup/Reviews. Please remember to continue to offer reviews at GAN, FAC and all the other pages that require them to prevent any backlogs. As a reminder, competitors are strictly prohibited from gaming Wikipedia policies or processes to receive more points.

If you would like to learn more about rules and scoring for the 2024 WikiCup, please read WikiCup/Scoring. Further questions are welcome on Wikipedia talk:WikiCup and the judges (,, and ) are reachable on their talk pages. Good luck! If you wish to start or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove your name from WikiCup/Newsletter/Send. MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 15:05, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

WikiCup 2024 May newsletter
The second round of the 2024 WikiCup ended on 28 April. This round was particularly competitive: each of the 32 contestants who advanced to Round 3 scored at least 141 points. This is the highest number of points required to advance to Round 3 since 2014.

The following scorers in Round 2 all scored more than 500 points:
 * with 707 points, mostly from 45 good article nomination reviews and 12 good articless about radio and television;
 * with 600 points, mostly from 12 good articles and 12 did you know nominations about coinage and history;
 * with 552 points, mostly from a featured article about the 2020 Seattle Sounders FC season, three featured lists, and two good articles;
 * with 548 points, mostly from a featured article about the snooker player John Pulman, two featured lists, and one good article;
 * with 530 points, mostly from two featured articles (Well he would, wouldn't he? and Cora Agnes Benneson) and three good articles.

The full scores for Round 2 can be seen here. So far this year, competitors have gotten 18 featured articles, 22 featured lists, and 186 good articles, 76 in the news credits and at least 200 did you know credits. They have conducted 165 featured article reviews, as well as 399 good article reviews and peer reviews, and have added 21 articles to featured topics and good topics.

Remember that any content promoted after 28 April but before the start of Round 3 can be claimed during Round 3, which starts on 1 May at 00:00 (UTC). Invitations for collaborative writing efforts or any other discussion of potentially interesting work is always welcome on the WikiCup talk page. Remember, if two or more WikiCup competitors have done significant work on an article, all can claim points. If you are concerned that your nomination—whether it is at good article candidates, a featured process, or anywhere else—will not receive the necessary reviews, please list it on WikiCup/Reviews Needed.

If you would like to learn more about rules and scoring for the 2024 WikiCup, please see this page. Further questions are welcome on Wikipedia talk:WikiCup and the judges (,, and ) are reachable on their talk pages. Good luck! If you wish to start or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove your name from WikiCup/Newsletter/Send. MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 13:37, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

DYK for Elizabeth Storie
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WikiCup 2024 July newsletter
The third round of the 2024 WikiCup ended on 28 June. As with Round 2, this round was competitive: each of the 16 contestants who advanced to Round 4 scored at least 256 points.

The following editors all scored more than 400 points in Round 3:


 * with 1,059 points, mostly from 1 featured article on DeLancey W. Gill, 11 good articles, 18 did you know nominations, and dozens of reviews;
 * with 673 points, mostly from 2 featured articles on Worlds (Porter Robinson album) and I'm God, 5 good articles, and 2 did you know nominations;
 * with 557 points, mostly from 1 featured article on KNXV-TV, 5 good articles, and 8 did you know nominations; and
 * with 415 points, mostly from 1 featured article on Great cuckoo-dove, with a high number of bonus points from that article.

The full scores for round 3 can be seen here. So far this year, competitors have gotten 28 featured articles, 38 featured lists, 240 good articles, 92 in the news credits, and at least 285 did you know credits. They have conducted 279 featured article reviews, as well as 492 good article reviews and peer reviews, and have added 22 articles to featured topics and good topics.

Remember that any content promoted after 28 June but before the start of Round 4 can be claimed during Round 4, which starts on 1 July at 00:00 (UTC). Invitations for collaborative writing efforts or any other discussion of potentially interesting work is always welcome on the WikiCup talk page. Remember, if two or more WikiCup competitors have done significant work on an article, all can claim points. If you are concerned that your nomination—whether for a good article, featured content, or anything else—will not receive the necessary reviews, please list it on WikiCup/Reviews Needed.

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