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Trinity Bridge, Crowland question
Well, the problem "was", but the bridge "is". So, either way, I figure. - Denimadept (talk) 19:06, 7 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Ha, yes, quite. I'm not planning on starting a fistfight over it anyway, and am away for a week now. I liked your newer edits ... that bit of logic certainly needed sorting out! Cheers DBaK (talk) 22:22, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

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Fanfare
Could you add to the trumpet section of Baroque instruments, or any section there, actually? - Did you see that the forum we hoped for is live at Eric Corbett, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:24, 14 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I will have a look, but am probably less knowledgeable than you think and I am not sure I have anything useful to add, so please do not hold your breath. My love affair with Wikipedia is not really in the first flush of infatuation these days. As for the "forum", I have to admit that I am unconvinced. I do read Eric's page and I like seeing what he is working on and so on, and following some of the other issues there although some of it I find pretty depressing where people seem to just show up to have a go at him. But using his page as a forum per se I'm less sure of - it  feels a bit like being allowed to play at the big kid's house. I like it but do not belong there. Cheers DBaK (talk) 21:52, 14 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Instruments: every one needs only a bit of prose, see talk. - Forum: I am easy to please, liking to hear from every good editor who doesn't leave ;) - Did you know that GA just had another GA? You shall weep and wail, - nothing for you, just flauto piccolo, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:02, 14 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I will have a look, but no promises. And I am away from home at the moment ... Cheers! DBaK (talk) 22:08, 14 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Enjoy! So was I, enjoying Evensong in St. Patrick's and a Vittoria mass in Christ Church, thinking of Messiah, sung by the combined choirs, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:21, 14 June 2013 (UTC)

Dummy edits
Hmm, it looks like spaces at the end of paragraphs work fine, they only get ignored (along with newlines) if they're added to the very end of an article. --McGeddon (talk) 09:17, 19 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Replied at t'other end. Summary: not for me they don't :) DBaK (talk) 09:35, 19 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Odd. Are you maybe using a gadget or other Wikipedia plugin that's "helpfully" stripping obviously redundant spaces from your edits in the browser, before submitting them to the server? --McGeddon (talk) 09:37, 19 June 2013 (UTC)
 * I honestly don't think I would know such a thing if it came up and bit me on the nose! What should I look for in Preferences? Is there one called "Redundant Space Stripper"? (Hmmm sounds like a dodgy SF novel.) Cheers DBaK (talk) 09:42, 19 June 2013 (UTC)
 * They're at Special:Preferences, and there's some useful little tools in there. If you haven't actually switched any of them on then it's probably not relevant, but I have been entirely surprised if wikEd or something was taking the liberty of cleaning up "bad" spacing. --McGeddon (talk) 10:09, 19 June 2013 (UTC)
 * I will fiddle with my settings some time and see (if I can) what is causing it. I'll maybe check it with another browser. DBaK (talk) 10:13, 19 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Update: it needs to be Firefox to have the problem. Safari works fine. That's me done for now but I'll have a look at FF if/later when I have time. DBaK (talk) 10:16, 19 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Aha, okay. For what it's worth I'm also using Firefox (v21.0 with no plugins that I would expect to affect it). It's pobably worth bringing this up at Village pump (technical) to get more eyes on it - it's not that big a deal, but would be good to know what the issue was and to mention it in H:DUMMY. --McGeddon (talk) 10:36, 19 June 2013 (UTC)

For the sake of precision, where exactly did you try adding a space on Embleton, Northumberland? --McGeddon (talk) 09:58, 19 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Per your Talk page: 'and a space at the end of the previous paragraph ending "close of the thirteenth century."' Second paragraph in the article. So I tried to change it from "close of the thirteenth century." to "close of the thirteenth century.  " and this it won't save: not for me, anyway. DBaK (talk) 10:07, 19 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Behold! --McGeddon (talk) 10:11, 19 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Yup. DBaK (talk) 10:13, 19 June 2013 (UTC)

Right. For this problem to manifest, all of the following must be true: (1) logged in, (2) using Firefox, (3) wikiEd turned on. I can't find another circumstance or combination of them which causes this. Cheers DBaK (talk) 12:46, 19 June 2013 (UTC)

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Caption style
Hi. Thanks for your message. No problem. I changed "Cupola" to lower-case initial "cupola" purely on instinct, and probably because with the initial capital it looked more like a proper name. Otherwise, I have no particular feelings about what should be stylistically appropriate. I would normally use a capital at the start of the caption, but sometimes it doesn't feel right. For example, look at the captions to my images in the gallery on the "Mercat Cross" page, where for some instinctive reason I avoided "The". Kim Traynor | Talk 10:06, 21 June 2013 (UTC)

Uganda
Hi thanks for the helpful advice on edit summary. I've now added one! Sorry to mess with your edits. I just had to sort out some small inaccuracies. I work for a company called SICPA and they are very correct in having they product names displayed properly. Cheers. Iainplunkett | Talk 11:20, 25 June 2013 (UTC)
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Hi thanks for the clarification. As you can probably tell I'm quite new to this stuff and definitely not looking to transgress editorial policy. Can I ask a little advice before making the required changes? It seems a little odd to me that an organisation would be allowed the proper representation of its name but not that of its products. In the case of SPARK, there is a small chance that it would be confused with the proper noun 'spark' (only a very, very, very small one I grant you!) In this instance, what I'd like to do is remove the registered copyright symbol but add the word 'trademark, to the citation and keep the product name in upper case if possible. Do you think that this will be acceptable? Cheers. Iainplunkett | Talk 12:10, 25 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Note r other end again DBaK (talk) 11:35, 25 June 2013 (UTC)

Hi thanks again for your help. I've made the changes outlined above and I hope that will be OK. I kind of think that the only way wiki makes any sense is for the information provided to be useful and informative. It most definitely shouldn't be about delivering marketing messages - companies always have Facebook and LinkedIn for that! Hopefully I can remain well within those parameters. Cheers. Iainplunkett | Talk 13:22, 25 June 2013 (UTC)

Fax in sax on fox in sox
Many years ago I had a child with a severe speech impediment. Dr Seuss's Fox in Sox was one of our favourites. I think I read it every day of our lives for three years. Amandajm (talk) 11:26, 25 June 2013 (UTC)
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I'm off here for a few days. Best wishes DBaK (talk) 12:00, 12 July 2013 (UTC)

Douro
FYI. I have reverted the undiscussed move per WP:BRD and also as having broken the link with article Talk page and left Talk page behind at Talk:Douro, and also as counter previous merge discussion. However I have not reverted the editors change to lead. But you may wish to do so. Cheers. In ictu oculi (talk) 00:16, 14 July 2013 (UTC)

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Normandy landings
Hello DBaK, I have replied to your comments on the Normandy landings Talk page. Good to talk with you again. Best regards, David, David J Johnson (talk) 19:52, 19 January 2014 (UTC)
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Comment request?
Hi. Would you care to weigh in at this discussion regarding genre changes made at Led Zeppelin IV? If not, feel free to ignore this message. Dan56 (talk) 03:01, 8 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks but sorry, no thanks: clueless on this subject area. Best wishes DBaK (talk) 18:10, 8 February 2014 (UTC)

Elevators again
Hello DBaK the IP editor is back on the elevator page since the semi protection lapsed. I've given them a warning for disruptive editing. I'm attempting to engage the editor on the articles talk page and was wondering if you had any helpful words on the matter? Thanks Fraggle81 (talk) 17:15, 5 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the message. I'm sorry but I've somewhat lost interest in this issue. Some people will always get their own way, and it is not worth fighting them, in my view. I could write more - notably on the subject of the attempt to get the photo deleted - but I should probably not. AGF and all that, even when it is difficult. Thanks and best wishes DBaK (talk) 18:08, 8 February 2014 (UTC)
 * I understand. I've been on a short wikibreak and come back to find the IP being praised while I'm apparently in the wrong. I'm not going to bother arguing with it since most of the people commenting missed what was actually going on. If the community wants someone who has made a handful of questionable edits and cant be bothered to make a username over someone who has been here for nigh on seven years vandal fighting and watching for dodgy behaviour from editors then they are welcome to them. I think its time to hang up my boots. All the best Fraggle81 (talk) 16:23, 10 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I wouldn't hang up your boots - just take a few paces back, and another week off, or whatever, and repeat the mantra "it's only an encyclopaedia" from time to time. It IS a fascinating place to which it is possible to feel very committed (been there, done that - I am a very much older user than this account would seem to suggest) and I think we have to learn to not care too much. In a conflict, there will ALWAYS be someone who cares more than you do, whatever the implications of that are. It's pretty annoying but I try very hard not to care too much and wander off and correct spellings or something instead. In a way I hate letting them "win" but in another way I feel I am winning by just not letting it get to me too much. It's difficult! But good luck, and please don't really stop editing. Best wishes DBaK (talk) 18:02, 12 February 2014 (UTC)

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K6ka (talk &#124; contribs) 11:50, 26 February 2014 (UTC)
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February 2014
Ouch! You've used a template to send a to an experienced editor. Please review Don't template the regulars or maybe listen to a little advice. Doesn't this feel cold, impersonal, and canned? It's meant in good humor. Best wishes. K6ka (talk &#124; contribs) 12:11, 26 February 2014 (UTC)
 * No, doesn't worry me thanks. I read the relevant bits of DTTR and also TTR and I'm perfectly happy with my actions, so no, no reaction to this. But nice to hear from you. DBaK (talk) 12:14, 26 February 2014 (UTC)

French horn edits
I've noticed your attempt to communicate with the IP editor who keeps changing "horn" to "French horn" amongst other things. I think this editor may be a reincarnation of the indefinitely banned – see my post at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Classical music. I'm not sure if a sockpuppet investigation is in order. --Deskford (talk) 18:19, 20 February 2014 (UTC)
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 * Don't miss one of my pictures in this edition ;) - DYK that the pictured church is named for the first union between Lutheran and Reformed protestants in Germany, and known for 38 paintings of the Rubens school? - I am busy with the St John Passion structure. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:12, 7 April 2014 (UTC)

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BWV 172
Did you know that the inspired music is supposed to grace the Main page on Pentecost Sunday. I really would like to improve Baroque instruments, - had other goals so far, - help? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:54, 25 April 2014 (UTC)

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Thanks ...
... for your user page. It's been a while since I last laughed out loud, or even chuckled, when reading someone's user page here on WP. Thomas.W talk 17:53, 5 May 2014 (UTC)

American & British English Spelling Differences
Thanks for re-reverting the edit to burglarize as an exception to -ize, -ise spellings.

I did have some trouble understanding what you meant about the description of burglarize having been in absolutely the wrong place, as there wasn't a mention of the bulleted list. I should have understood, as I moved it out of the bullet list when I rewrote the entry. I also found the other editors reason for reverting that rewrite somewhat hard to follow, as sometling that's "not a spelling difference" almost has to be an exception to a spelling difference.

Hence, I thought you meant it shouldn't be in #Exceptions or possibly the article. Having clarified it, I now see what you mean. I hadn't looked at that bit in detail, but your right, as a verb with an ending derived from -ιζειν, burglarize shouldn't have been in that list. I saw that when I re-wrote it, but then failed to get it later.

I suppose the response on the talk page was a bit over-detailed. But I used to write avionic standards with a bunch of French, German, Italian, and Spanish engineers (EFA + Dassault), for the Association Européenne des Constructeurs de Matériel Aérospatial. Every suggested change or comment, etc., had to be responded to with chapter and verse, and I think it still shows.

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Thank you for not living your user name, but talking to articles, talking to users in a helpful way (Kathleen Ferrier), getting new users started, talking to self, - all with disillusioned (= good) sense, - you are an awesome Wikipedian!

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York Road ...er, Way ... er ...
Have just updated my reply at Talk:York_Road_tube_station. Still not good news, sorry! --AlisonW (talk) 13:36, 10 May 2014 (UTC)
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Spoilers
i don't agree with the current spoiler policy, albeit seeing some good points in the arguments. to me a reasonable compromise would be to include endings - e.g., of a film, episode, book, chapter, etc. - but made accessible only by clicking on a link leading to a 'spoiler database'. users would then have a choice as to whether or not to get the full details.

i wonder if the current wikipedia policy favors american content producers, of films, books, etc. these are readily available to the american audience, when first shown or later as relatively inexpensive DVDs (etc). overseas productions tend to arrive later in the U.S., are harder to get, and so on. if one can look up the full plot, including series or episode (etc) endings, there is less incentive to buy, less incentive to support cultural diversity, less exposure to artistic creativity outside the U.S..

best, BigSchloss

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"Shouting"
Regarding your comment in your Beetham Tower, Manchester article edit summary, you said "...please don't SHOUT."

Assuming this was a reference to my edit summary, this was because it was simply a cut-and-paste of the filled-in "clarify" template. I'd filled *that* in with caps (only visible in the source text, not the article itself), as it's often very difficult to pick things out from source text, and I expected it to be edited soon anyway.

I didn't fix the sentence myself because I'm not personally familiar with the subject and didn't want to make assumptions.

I find that sometimes copying a very short edit to the summary is quicker, and often more effective, at summarising the change made. Unfortunately, in this case, copying the intentionally prominent template made the summary appear obnoxiously loud- sorry about that.

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Good work
Thanks for the wikithanks pips D. Also thanks for following up with the IP suggesting that the get consensus first. I only just noticed how many articles they were adding info to. I could be wrong but it looked to me like they were adding terminology that referred to instruments played in modern day orchestras but; at the time that some of the pieces were composed, those will have been different. Thanks to Trevor Pinnock and Christopher Hogwood (among others) for teaching me this. Once again thanks for your efforts and cheers. MarnetteD&#124;Talk 17:12, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

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Re: Middleborough, Colchester
Hi. Thanks for changing them. My spell-checking is atrocious at the best of times!

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Apologies
Sorry about breaking your edit at Basingstoke Canal, I missed a brace off one of the converts I added. ProProbly (talk) 21:06, 4 October 2014 (UTC)
 * It appears we had some sort of conflict there, so I've self-reverted completely, and will try to add the converts again. ProProbly (talk) 21:10, 4 October 2014 (UTC)
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Appropriateness of Title
I concede that 'appropriateness' is a made up word. On the other hand I don't apologise for it as it works anyway.

I compliment you on the well thought out name. But then I come to question it... "Disillusioned"? Perhaps, but I see no evidence of this - I think the illusions are real, possibly nearly tangible. "Bitter"? Well maybe, but again I see no evidence. Ok, maybe a little but we all have that, don't we? And "Knackered"? In the "Prince Charles" meaning? I feel this relates to a more temporary state of mind or being unless, like a retired horse, you are really ready to see the last of your paddock but if that paddock is represented by wikipedia then I think even that is refuted as you evidently keep coming back.

My name, I should probably point out, isn't meant to be self descriptive as I am neither "thick" (Ok, maybe the waist measurement is a little more than it should be) nor a cat. I did, however, once own a "Rag Doll" cat that really was extremely thick and my name remembers him. Thickycat (talk) 21:41, 4 October 2014 (UTC)

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Re: Ransack
Yeah, it's a tricky one:

The theory is that head of the statue was violently removed by the Iceni and was then deposited in a river in their home territory - the depositing of objects in water (esp. weapons and severed heads) held ritual connotations for Celtic society at the time, and so taking an item which was a symbolic representation of the authority and oppressive nature of the Empire (the head of the statue of Claudius) and "sacrificing" it to their gods would have been a powerful statement. With this in mind, I wasn't sure if "loot" (which to me suggests something like booty/treasure) would be the right term. I might keep it simple and change it to "taken from" rather than "ransacked from". Thanks for the heads up!

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Hello, DB&K. I have enjoyed reading about you and your pet issues. I don't know why, but the following quote came into my head while reading your page:
 * If other people are going to talk, conversation becomes impossible (James Abbott McNeill Whistler).

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