User talk:Djdannyp/Archives/2006/August

Tottenham Hotspur F.C. reversion
Hello. I was avoiding a redirect. I have put my changes back. I suggest you test the link before reverting the change next time! No harm done, just thought I'd let you know. Stephenb (Talk) 17:18, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
 * BTW, erasing polite comments from your Talk Page is not considered polite - see Help:Talk page. Again, no harm done!  Stephenb (Talk) 17:37, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I was unaware, I was just trying to keep my page clean from comments which are no longer needed (not like it was a discussion or anything). And i was not actually trying to editing your edit, i clicked to revert when the article had been vandalised to say "cock" instead of "cockrel".  Please don't put it back if i delete in future - it's not really needed hereDjdannyp 18:46, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

To ndash or not to ndash
Just interested as to where it says not to use them?
 * Template talk:Infobox Football biography suggests ndash
 * Manual of Style (dashes) also suggests the use of ndash for durations
 * "The en dash (–) is slightly longer than the hyphen and figure dash and about half the width of an em dash. It indicates duration, such as when you could substitute the word "to" (as in a range of dates). An en dash placed between numbers or in compounds does not have spaces around it: for example Paris–Brussels timetable, Ages 7–77."

I'll wait for you response before reverting your edit, cheers, aLii 12:18, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Further down the page on the link you gave me:
 * Please avoid typing their related codes (e.g., – for en dash) to display dashes. This is because new editors may not understand the code, and delete it. Also the visual form of "—" or "–" (excluding quotes) is more appealing and readable in the edit screen."Djdannyp 12:27, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes and it says to type a real ndash. It doesn't say you should use a normal hypen. It's pretty tough to type an ndash on most computers, hence typing ndash and waiting for a bot to tidy it all up is what most editors use. Using this as an excuse to systematically change an article to use incorrect dashes is a very poor excuse. What you should have done was change every instance of "ndash" into "–", not "-". aLii 12:53, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I was using nothing as an "excuse", merely following guidelines, not making incorrect edits. If you check the MOS for Football Players then you'll see that in the info box, normal keyboard dashes are used, not ndashes. Djdannyp 08:28, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

Swedish
Adding ex-players to Notable former players/Famous players section not a vandalism. non-notable and vandalism is two thing. Matt86hk  talk  13:19, 18 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Agreed, however if you take into account the quantity in which this was done to hundreds of clubs, then yes, it is vandalism Djdannyp 13:34, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

Capitalisation
Hi, I've just seen your recent edits to Djimi Traoré and Scott Carson. Not only are you persisting with poor use of dashes, but you are also capitalising player surnames. Personally I quite like the look of the capitalised surnames, but I think that having a consistent style accross articles is more important. I refer you again to the style guide for football player infoboxes. I don't see why you're being so stubborn over the first issue. aLii 15:17, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm not being stubborn, it says it on the MOS that I pointed you to earlier to use dashes, plus as you said it is far easier to type dashes than the barely noticeable difference of an ndash. Also, I don't see a problem with capitalisation of surnames, nor does anybody else.  They are used in just as high frequence as non capitalised surnames and it makes perfect sense to do so.  It does not compromise integrity of articles and doesn't really cause a problem.  Please let me continue to improve the standard of articles without petty interference. Djdannyp 15:22, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks for reminding me how out-of-date that page was (26 October 2005). It's now updated to reflect the more current infobox style guide (16th August 2006). aLii 15:40, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm so happy you've taken it upon yourself to alter the guideline page so that it shows people to edit infoboxes and use dashes just how you want them to. Nice chunks of messy code with &ndash: is always what people want to see.  It is not always practical to type a proper ndash (which as i already said is barely noticeble).  The two are practically interchangeable and so there shouldn't be any restriction on which can be used.  Efficient and dillegent editors will favour using the keyboard - as it is easily accessible.
 * You showed that it was causing confusion for new editors. It was out-of-date. This is not an argument to have with me, if you have grievances with the use of ndash you should take them to preferably Template talk:Infobox Football biography or perhaps Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style (dashes). What you shouldn't be doing is going out of your way to go against the agreed upon style. aLii 17:11, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

FC Barcelona
Hi there. Thanks for the message. I agree, edit wars do no-one any favours. Indeed, this is exactly the kind of situation that makes me think that editing on Wikipedia is not really worth the time and effort.

--Bcnviajero 17:13, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

Manager/Coach in squad
I've started a discusion here in which you may like to have your say. Thanks.  Slumgum  T.   C. ''  14:59, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

Football transfers
Just like to say thanks for checking that out and adding it back in. I had a quick look on the "August" and "July" BBC Transfer pages for Cort, and the August one for the others, and I don't think I saw any of them listed, so I just figured it was harmless vandalism by a Palace fan, so reverted it without a warning on his talk page. Like I said at the time, though, if I was wrong, it should just be added in. So thank you for doing the research, and I'm sorry to have caused you any extra hassle :) --Dreaded Walrus 13:13, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
 * No worries, in future check properly before making edits (a simple Ctrl+F in this case on the relevant BBC pages turns up the results in seconds!) DJDannyP // Talk2Me  13:16, 29 August 2006 (UTC)