User talk:Djegan/Archive6

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This archive page covers approximately the dates between 17-MAY-06 and 30-SEP-06.

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Chief Justice & other matters
Hey, just saw your msg re the Chief Justice. Good point. The whole issue of titles in the constitution is rather strange. I'll look into it.

You might want to look at the edits of User:El Gringo. He is pushing extreme republican, highly dodgy opinions in articles like Easter Proclamation, Reform Movement etc. Here we go again. One week it is loyalist POV pushers. Next week republicans. Is it any wonder people are so fed up of both of them? lol FearÉIREANN \(caint)|undefined 22:55, 17 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Certainly I will be watching Easter Proclaimation, GOI Act 1920 and others. It seems their is no end to the warring—I am just waiting for the split—the first item on any republican agenda. Djegan 16:44, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

Well, Djegan, I am just waiting for you to spell 'there' correctly- one of the first items on my schoolteacher's agenda when I was about four.El Gringo 18:32, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

And Jimboy, I have been reliably informed that you remain persona non grata in the School of Politics (and elsewhere). If you wish to continue with your ad hominem on me, I can expand in much greater detail on this. That type of classless behaviour doesn't interest me, but if that's the road you want to travel....And as for your own extreme viewpoints, and inability to defend them when challenged, you have been suitably chastised by another poster over your juvenile edits to Nelson's Pillar. El Gringo 18:32, 19 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Obviously, personal attacks are the best you can do. Djegan 18:56, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

You might also to watch you. Gringo (should that be An Gríngo? lol) has now decided unilaterally to implement Ó Cuiv's diktat on place names on Wikipedia, without bothering to concern himself with the procedure of renaming articles on wikipedia rules on Most Common Name. And then Irish language fascists wonder why the language, unfortunately, ends up so hated by Irish people!!! FearÉIREANN \(caint)|undefined 20:21, 19 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Lets not get Ó Cuiv's minions started. Of course its not official names for placenames in Northern Ireland(hint: talk:Dingle)?
 * Djegan 20:31, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

spanish armada
You were an early contributor to Sligo, so maybe you can help. I'm looking for a non-copyright-vio photo of Streeda Strand to illustrate Spanish Armada in Ireland. Thanks.--shtove 23:58, 18 May 2006 (UTC)


 * I could not suggest an image but you could put at request at Irish Wikipedians' notice board in the to do list for an image. Djegan 21:27, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Will do. Thanks.--shtove 22:23, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

Rms125a@hotmail.com?
Just thought you should know, but 216.194.20.193 seems to have gotten a new IP of 216.194.57.144. See the history of my talk page & compare to the history of my vandalism page. Regards --Charli e ( @CIRL 18:27, 21 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks, he seams to of stopped for the moment. Djegan 18:37, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

It may not be an area of interest to you, but I'd be interested to hear your opinions on Pro-choice. The original article was dire: americocentric, biased, no depth, no analysis, no reading list, no footnotes, POV links, etc. I've been trying to fix its many errors (it even had Roe versus Wade wrong!!!). But the users on the page are guarding "their" article and revert any attempt to offer a critique of the term, or historical background, or even a reading list! Your neutral observations would be welcome. Thanks. FearÉIREANN \(caint)|undefined 01:05, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

Tallaght recent edits
The recent edits on Tallaght looked okay to me. What parts did you think were inaccurate? Jhonan talk 20:09, 24 May 2006 (UTC) P.S. I'm going away for 2 weeks tomorrow. So if you see this and reply, I'm not ignoring you! :) Jhonan talk 20:21, 24 May 2006 (UTC)


 * My main concerns are:


 * This origin story of Tallaght is steeped in myth and despite several Bronze Age discoveries, is yet to be substantiated. -- editorial and vague, generalised references


 * Its demise was linked with the withdrawl from Ireland of British troops (based at Blessington) and the introduction of the new Dublin Bus Service. -- maybe accurate but sounds sarcastic


 * In addition, these areas are finally experiancing regeneration with the addition of facilities that should have been present more than twenty years ago -- accurate but could be better worded


 * However if you can support or reword the edits, as appropriate, then by all means take the initiative. Djegan 20:29, 24 May 2006 (UTC)


 * I'm in agreement with you on the ones above. But there were some smaller edits which were also reverted;


 * ...along with several typical fast food restaurants...
 * ...and Meath Hospital incorporating the National Children's Hospital (Tallaght Hospital)...
 * Several new apartment buildings have recently been finished to the north and west of the Square...


 * But, either way, no biggie. I'll take another look it when I get back. Cheers! Jhonan talk 21:19, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

Gallery help
I placed a gallery of pictures on my user page. But every time I see my page, I dont see the pics. Please check my page and fix it. Thank you.

-Emir214 11:37, 31 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Looking at your user page in Mozilla Firefox and Internet Explorer - from left to right I see the farm, the childern and the desktop - they look fine. If you dont get any pictures then it could be a browser issue or setting? Djegan 12:18, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

I am using Internet Explorer 7. What could be the issue? When I preview my changes, I could see them but if I saved my changes I can't see them anymore. I made sure that my settings were okay, but what could be the issue?-Emir214 13:36, 31 May 2006 (UTC)


 * I'm not sure, I have only used IE6, so it could be an issue with the new version of IE. It could be worth trying a test or two without other formatting (such as boxes etc) as something else on the page could be causing the problem and "hiding" the images in IE7. Make sure all html code is correct. Djegan 13:41, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

Okay, thanks for your help anyway. -Emir214 14:29, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

New Articles
Which new articles should be made for Wikipedia? Are there also articles which require cleanup. Please leave the list on my talk page. -Emir214 06:04, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

I just reverted your Dublin reversion
It's unusual for any city article to display only the city proper figures for population. If we did that for London their population would be 8,600 (See City of London vs London). if we did it for Sydney the population would be 122,211 (see City of Sydney vs Sydney).

This is why we have a City of Dublin article. I think the city proper figures should be removed and I will do so shortly after writing this. Factoid Killer 20:02, 7 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Compairing Dublin to City of Dublin is a mistake; the city of Dublin's boundarys change regularily unlike that of the City of London thus making a City of Dublin article a vaste waste of time and effort - and prime for merger. You need to take out a map of the official boundaries and realise the City of Dublin covers 44 km2 or almost 1/3 of County Dublin - indeed it was larger at times. Djegan 20:08, 7 June 2006 (UTC)


 * The figures that should be used are those quoted for 'Greater Dublin'. Greater London spans counties.  I just checked the talk page.  You have NO consensus. I couldn't find a single person supporting your cause.  If you revert my next reversion my response will be to seek administrative intervention. Factoid Killer 20:14, 7 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Go ahead and threaten me. Djegan 20:16, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
 * That wasn't a threat. It was a warning against vandalism.  Where is your 'consensus' documented?  If i've missed something then point me in the right direction as i'd like to join the debate. Factoid Killer 20:24, 7 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Your not going to threaten me with "vandalism" - go ahead and report me if your so confident. Read the talk page, discuss it first but we are not going to fill out the infobox with figures. Djegan 20:27, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Discussions re supposed to occur prior to altering an article in a way that breaks consistency with every other related article. Factoid Killer 20:31, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
 * btw, that last argument was a strawman. I wasn't suggesting the article be 'filled with figures'.  I suggested the city of dublin figures shouldn't be in the Dublin Article. Factoid Killer 20:33, 7 June 2006 (UTC)


 * I am not a vandal. But you really need to research Dublin vs. City of Dublin - their is so little to distingush them so as two make two articles a pointless exercise in duplication and orginal research. The Dublin article is the City of Dublin article - if you want County Dublin or Greater Dublin Area follow the links. If we should not place the City of Dublin figures in the Dublin article then why should we include those for County Dublin or Greater Dublin Area at all on the same idea? Consensus is build by not just discussion but also the realisation of the facts and the history of the article. Djegan 20:42, 7 June 2006 (UTC)


 * First of all I suggest you look up the word consensus. Where is the straw poll where the majority of people voted to CHANGE the article so that it represented the City fo Dublin and not Dublin?  Where is the Straw Poll where the majority of people voted to have the City of Dublin article removed?  Why is the City of Dublin article still there?  Which article is going to show the population figures for the principal agglomeration of dublin (which is just over 1 million)?  Factoid Killer 20:55, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Sorry to butt in on your talk page, Djegan, but anyway... There is no "City of Dublin" article, the article for the city of Dublin is and always has been Dublin. Accept it. --Kiand 20:57, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
 * So far consensus is with yourself and your sockpuppet. I was mistaken about the city of dulin article which means we are even further breaking convention.  This should be discussed before a chnage like this.  You have failed to show me where such a discussion has taken place.  It certainly was NOT on the talk page for the article (which is where such discussions are supposed to take place). Factoid Killer 21:13, 7 June 2006 (UTC)


 * By prouncing us as sockpuppets your simply digging in your desperation. Get a grip. Djegan 21:16, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
 * The sockpuppet tag will be returned and fear eiran will be pronounced a vandal if he cannot show some sort of logical reason for removing the tag prior to investigation. Factoid Killer 21:24, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Your obviously on self-distruct mode. The claims only get more outlandish. Djegan 21:26, 7 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Why can't you show me evidence of this consensus? What is so difficult Factoid Killer 21:27, 7 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Threatening people, saying they are vandals and sockpuppets does not really help your case. Djegan 21:32, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

I have posted an appropriate reply, regarding consensus at Talk:Dublin. Djegan 22:30, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

Ireland official title
Why are you changing the title of Ireland back the wrong title of "Republic of Ireland" - this not a correct title. ?? You cannot dispute fact. Have you looked at the Irish constitution lately?


 * This is not the constitution and the Republic of Ireland article makes it clear what the name of the state is. But if you continue you rampage you will be banned. If you want to contribute do so at talk:Republic of Ireland. Djegan 16:07, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

This is an encyclopaedia isn’t it??? Encyclopaedia are meant to contain REAL facts and not peoples views and opinions??? The fact of the matter is - this country is officially called Ireland, Bertie Ahern is not the Taoiseach of the Republic of Ireland - he's the Taoiseach of Ireland, why do you and others continually give wrong information?? You are giving him a wrong title as with all the other Taoiseach that was mentioned.

This should be about FACTS as I have stated - and not based on people own personal views are opinions. I have no problems with the country being referred to as the Republic of Ireland when making differences with Northern Ireland etc - but when people go as far as to give people wrong titles when knowing what the correct one is shamefully, It goes against what this site is all about, you are actually giving other users of this encyclopaedia incorrect facts about our country. So I would respectfully question who are people like you that change real facts just to suit yourself??

I mean for example - in the article about the President of Ireland - she is given her correct titles and not President of the Republic of Ireland, why is this??? I think the reason is the mind set of Irish people and what they have been brought up to know - the office which Mrs. McAlesse holds has always been refered to as the President of Ireland, so people know this. It’s a different story when referring to other things Irish - the Republic bit gets suck on because we know no better... -- —Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.46.243.175 (talk • contribs)


 * The article makes it clear on the description (Republic of Ireland) and name (Ireland) of the state. If you have a point to raise then do so at talk:Republic of Ireland as their is little point in badgering me on my talk page - the final call is not mine but a matter of consensus. Djegan 21:30, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

Im talking about when you changed the title of Bertie Ahern back, John Bruton, etc etc - these men were Taoiseach of Ireland and not the Republic of Ireland, how can one have given information on items they cannot even get the title right of?? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.46.243.175 (talk • contribs)


 * This is not the place for debate about the titles of the Taoiseach - title and reality are different things. The reason why the article is at Republic of Ireland is consensus, if you do not like wikipedias policies, then go elsewhere. Djegan 21:53, 14 June 2006 (UTC)


 * In any case the articles merely state that they are Taoiseach of the Republic of Ireland not that the title is the Taoiseach of the Republic of Ireland — their is a different, abeit perhaps subtle. Djegan 22:06, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

We'll agree to disagree, but i think it only fair correct titles be used. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.46.243.175 (talk • contribs)

Need help
Excuse me, could you please help me expand and improve articles I started such as:


 * Serenata (choir)
 * Araw ng Kalayaan
 * Disney Karaoke Series: That's So Raven
 * Windows Sidebar
 * and Paul Thurrott, article I made using my alternative account

Please also inform your fellow users and Wikipedia English Administrators that I need help to expand and improve my articles. Please........... - Emir214 11:22, 15 June 2006 (UTC)


 * The best way to expand an article is use the expand template,, or expand section  , or even the improve template  . On some talk pages their may even be links to wikiprojects that help focus attention. Hope this is some help.
 * Djegan 21:22, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

Image:IFCO Ireland.png listed for deletion
An image or media file that you uploaded, Image:IFCO Ireland.png, has been listed at Images and media for deletion. Please look there to see why this is (you may have to search for the title of the image to find its entry), if you are interested in it not being deleted. Thank you. - Рэд  хот  17:22, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

judges
thr judges deal with all cases civil, criminal and other durrus

Your skill is required on British Isles where some users are intent on POV-pushing and downplaying the fact that many people find the term offensive. FearÉIREANN \(caint)|undefined 16:56, 4 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Its only just come off my watchlist. I will investigate. Djegan 18:08, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

Yes accidental
Sorry! Jdorney 22:23, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

Coat of arms
Djegan, may I suggest uploading your version of the Irish Coat of Arms to Wikimedia Commons? At present, that other "stylised" version is on pages such as National insignia (see section Ireland).

You probably know this, but don't overwrite your version on the version already there. Just allow that file to stay as is - I've changed the description at to note that it is an "unofficial stylisation". There may be other pages other than the National insignia one on commons that you should update; linking to your image once uploaded, rather than the other one.

Also, if you can, an SVG version would be better.

Regards, zoney &#09827; talk 20:54, 13 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Hi Zoney,


 * Something I am not too sure of is, can I upload my version as the harp is off an official document, although I have done some minor modification and coloured the harp correct to other versions issued by the government - all the non-harp elements are mine exclusively. Ultimately my belief is that that stylised version from commons is a hideous thing that is not representative of the coat of arms and is taking fair usage concerns too far.


 * Djegan 21:07, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Help
How can I place Infobox:Country in an article of a deceased country or republic like the First Philippine Republic -- Emir214 05:42, 22 July 2006 (UTC)


 * You may simply need to add the code to the article directly, see Irish Republic, for instance. Djegan 23:13, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

Does this article need to be considered a stub? (First Philippine Republic) --Emir214 03:13, 23 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Sorry about the delay. What makes an article a stub is not an exact science, I would say its borderline at worse. Djegan 20:49, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

See my new user page!!
Hey! Do you want to see my new user page? Click here. - Emir214 05:01, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

Economy of the Republic of Ireland FARC
Hi there—Economy of the Republic of Ireland is currently in the FARC list. Nothing much has been done to improve the article since its nomination for FA Review. I wonder whether you're able to assist. It would be a pity if te article were de-listed. Tony 14:06, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

St. Patrick's College, Maynooth
Hi there - do the changes I made re Ferns reflect your merge proposal? Duf 12:31, 6 August 2006 (UTC)


 * I have made a number of minor edits to tweak your most recent changes. Djegan 12:43, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

Kilkenny City Status
I think you had comments on the status of cities and towns of Ireland. As a native Kilkenny person, now exiled to Kerry, I always believed that Kilkenny was a real city in the old days and carried this status forward to present times, though ecomonically left behind by modern commercial cities. kilkenny has two cathedrals. a charter from an English king, a mayor and a corporation. What more is required to be a city? Fenitharbour 20:25, 7 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Certainly the contention is that whilst Kilkenny does not have the administrative privileges of other cities in Ireland, most notable the city councils, it does none-the-less have a royal charter (and an Act of the Oireachtas) that allows it to be discribed as such. Djegan 21:58, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Northern Ireland
I have requested a Peer review on the article. --Mal 12:39, 17 August 2006 (UTC)


 * It should be remembered that peer review does not mean policies fly out the window. Djegan 19:29, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

Jonto is back again on British Isles pushing his usual anti-Irish edits. Yippee. *sigh* Keep an eye out. FearÉIREANN \(caint)|undefined 17:51, 23 August 2006 (UTC)


 * I will have a serious look at it tommorrow evening. However I will not be checking it tonight as I have only just got in, and have been busy all day. Djegan 21:21, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the nice charachter assassination campaign here jtdirl. Nice to see you respecting and taking into account the the viewpoints of others. :P Jonto 22:48, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

I have raised the issue of Mal's antics on WP:ANI. FearÉIREANN \(caint)|undefined 01:59, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

Mate, I noticed you reverted the Irish name for Northern Ireland. Now if you would look at the talk page and see my reason for putting it there, you will notice that the reason was that the majority, if not all of Irish speakers refer to the North as Na Sé Chontae. Tuaisceart Éireann is the direct translation of Northern Ireland. The direct translation of Dublin into Irish is Dubh Linn, but Baile Átha Cliath is used by the Irish people. If you look at the page titled Dublin it says "Dublin (Irish: Baile Átha Cliath)" I am going to change the Irish name of the North to Na Sé Chontae/Tuaisceart Éireann to show this.: Seamus2602 21:52, 28 August 2006 (UTC)


 * I will refrain from reverting for now, to see if a consensus developes. Djegan 21:59, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

A request for mediation has been filed with the Mediation Committee that lists you as a party. The Mediation Committee requires that all parties listed in a mediation must be notified of the mediation. Please review the request at Requests for mediation/Northern Ireland, and indicate whether you agree or refuse to mediate. If you are unfamiliar with mediation, please refer to Mediation. There are only seven days for everyone to agree, so please check as soon as possible. --Hroðulf (or Hrothulf) (Talk) 18:05, 6 September 2006 (UTC)


 * I have seen the request but have decided to hold off for now. I am not sure if it would accomplish anything, my fundemental belief, is that the issue is simple; re any claims must meet WP:NOR and WP:VERIFY. No source has been presented, to date, that absolutely and definitively shows that Northern Ireland is a constituent country of the United Kingdom. Djegan 20:10, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the welcome
Many thanks for the welcome. I'm in Ireland too - when I eventually get my user page sorted, that will become obvious to all! Blowmonkey 20:23, 29 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Its more usual to place new entries to the bottom of the page! Djegan 20:24, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Re: Seamus Heaney. If Martin McGuinness can be from Co. Derry, so too can Seamus Heaney. Either spelling is correct and I will continue to change it to the Irish spelling each time you switch it back. "Derry" is preferred by Heaney and nationalists alike. The guidelines are just that GUIDElines, so please refrain from sending me further links to them. You do not run Wikipedia. Take it down from the mast. Sept. 10,2006..Cathal.


 * I have responded on your talk page. Thanks. Djegan 19:53, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

W.T. Cosgrave
I think you are mistaken on W.T. Cosgrave. One of the strange quirks of the English language seems to be that where someone is known by a number of initials, and the first name is initialised rather than spelt out, the set of initials are written in one of three formats: (1) bunched together; (2) written with a space between each but no period; or (3) written with periods but no spaces between them. So one writes FDR, F D R or F.D.R. but not F. D. R.; JFK, J F K or J.F.K. but not J. F. K.; PW Botha, P W Botha or P.W. Botha, but not P. W. Botha. Similarly here one writes either WT Cosgrave, W T Cosgrave or W.T. Cosgrave. One doesn't write W. T. Cosgrave however. (I did write W. T. Cosgrave in a college essay once and had it marked as wrong!) English is full of these quirks. Often they aren't even formally defined. They just develop. This article is correctly laid out. W. T. Cosgrave would be incorrect, and also look very strange. FearÉIREANN \(caint)|undefined 00:15, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

Brian Lenihan
The edit of

15:19, 7 September 2006 194.46.185.8 (Talk) (→Minister for Justice

would seem to have tided up Brian by sticking to Brian only and not plugging Chas. Haughey( which was POV) You also removed the requirements put in by 194.46.185.8 for citations.

Your edit would seem to be sustaining un-substaniated POV and unnecessarily verbose.

Tayana 17:38, 7 September 2006 (UTC)


 * My own belief is that the edits where in bad faith and paramount to vandalism with respect to previous edits by the anon; that is why I reverted. Additionally some of the edits actually where benificial to the narrative. I do not remove requests inappropriately but they are not a stick to prevent the reversion of simple or complex vandalism.


 * By all means attempt to review the article if you want. Djegan 17:46, 7 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Djegan, can I give you a little tip. It should be hear hear and not here here. And I was questioning the credibility of the witness, essential in any hearing. I am not interested in initiating  Rfc's against anyone, I let the police do that! 86.42.142.238 20:39, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

List of Irish flags
In the List of Irish flags article, more spefically the county colours of the counties, you reverted my edit, linking them all to the GAA pages.

What other sports/reasons do the counties use the colours for?--Derry Boi 21:20, 30 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Read this, in any case the flags represent the county and not the GAA county board - their is a distinction between the two. Unless it can be shown otherwise then the county should be linked to rather than the county board. Whilst the flags may not be used much in Northern Ireland outside nationalist circles they are not exclusive GAA symbols.


 * We are not in the business of substituting County Londonderry with Derry GAA just because we find the former offensive. Djegan 21:30, 30 September 2006 (UTC)


 * In any case if we want to list the flags as exclusive GAA flags then; firstly we need to show that this is indeed the case beyond doubt and they have no other purpose and secondly that we indicate the section is "GAA Flags" or similar. With regard to the latter stating the section is "County Colours of Ulster" and then linking to "Colours of Derry" is not one in the same thing. Djegan 21:38, 30 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Just for the record I didn't mean to just change the Derry flag, I had planned to change them all at once. Had too many tabs opened at once, don't really know what happened.  Also looking at the history of the page, I seemed I did it twice, but I think that had something to do with both of us editing the same place at one time. (Derry Boi 21:51, 30 September 2006 (UTC))


 * Not too sure about editing it simultaneously - in any case you have not broke any rules, as yet, on it. Djegan 21:59, 30 September 2006 (UTC)