User talk:Djembayz/Archive 2011

Thank You
Hello Djembayz- Thank you for the kind words about the "Sparrowhawk" Article, much appreciated. I have joined Project Ships as you may have noticed by now, and will contribute as time allows. I have a stub targeted for expansion to a full article in early March. Question: I am replying to you in this manner on your Talk Page because I could not figure out how to start a new message on an editor/admin Talk page. This template was rejected when placed on my Talk page. Need some on this .. thanks! merlynne6 (talk) 01:49, 15 February 2011 (UTC)

Can someone help respond to this question from (talk)? I don't know how to use the templates. Djembayz (talk) 02:22, 15 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Merlynn6 should have been able to put a "help me" template on their own user talk page. I'll respond over there and ask. Banaticus (talk) 03:21, 15 February 2011 (UTC)

rafting event
This article has nothing to do with rafts. I've removed the category, again. - UtherSRG (talk) 02:20, 23 April 2010 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Sea Serpent (clipper)
Hi. I've nominated Sea Serpent (clipper), an article you worked on, for consideration to appear on the Main Page as part of Did you know. You can see the hook for the article here, where you can improve it if you see fit. Mjroots (talk) 05:33, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Sea Serpent (clipper)
Gatoclass (talk) 12:02, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

FYI
Sorry, but I'm just letting you know of the discussion I started here about your DYK. Regards,  Jamie S93 ❤ 15:37, 21 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Don't be disheartened by the "incident" over the Sea Clipper DYK. Mistakes were made all round by a number of editors (including me). Hopefully all will have learnt from this one. No major damage has been done to Wikipedia and it appears that the DYK will count towards your total. Get to 25 and you get a medal! . Mjroots (talk) 09:17, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

Ship articles
My advice would be to create a personal sandbox where you can work an article up in relative peace, and then ask for comments from editors when you need to. This is my ships sandbox. Mjroots (talk) 17:41, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

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[[MV Mariam]]
Hi. Pending the AfD discussion, I've made a WP:DYK nomination for MV Mariam. As a contributor to the article, I've listed you as an author on the nomination. I'm not 100% sure of the etiquette here, but if you would prefer not be be on the nomination, please feel free to remove yourself, or leave a message on my talk page and I would be happy to do so. Haus Talk 12:40, 28 August 2010 (UTC)


 * I hope that you will help me edit a similar article on the ship Avrazya. It would also make an interesting DKY.AMuseo (talk) 22:03, 30 August 2010 (UTC)


 * I may have found a wepage giving technical details and history of Avrazya here. It is free access, but in Swedish. Need confirmation it is the correct ship. Mjroots (talk) 11:23, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes. I think so.AMuseo (talk) 23:02, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

File source problem with File:Greatrepublicclipper.jpg
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File source problem with File:Flyingcloudclipper.jpg
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Fill out a Information giving as much information as possible as to the original, including authourship, archvie source etc... Sfan00 IMG (talk) 23:29, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

File source problem with File:Witchcraftclipper.jpg
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File source problem with File:Staghoundclipper.jpg
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File source problem with File:Nightingaleclipper.jpg
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File source problem with File:Jamesbainesclipper.jpg
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Re: File source problems with uploaded images from pre-1923 book

 * All these items have been tagged as my own photos of a pre-1923 book. If further info is required, pls. let me know.


 * An example page for pre-1923 books would be helpful, using the specific phrase "your own photograph of public domain material, i.e., a pre-1923 book" rather than the more ambiguous and confusing phrase "who created the content." (What content, the drawing itself? The photograph of the drawing? etc.)

Djembayz (talk) 02:11, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

Adoption
Replied on my talk page. -- Mahanga (Talk) 02:53, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

DYK for MV Mariam
 — Rlevse • Talk  • 00:04, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

MV Avrasaya
I've now expanded the MV Avrasaya article. Mjroots2 (talk) 20:00, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

Categories for discussion nomination of Category:Boats and rafts made of plastic bottles
Category:Boats and rafts made of plastic bottles, which you created, has been nominated for deletion, merging, or renaming. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you. -- Alan Liefting (talk) - 06:52, 19 September 2010 (UTC)

Images
When using Infobox ship image the " " parameter should be left out otherwise an unnecessary border is placed around the image. -- Alan Liefting (talk) - 07:52, 19 September 2010 (UTC)

Replied
Replied on my talk page. -- Mahanga (Talk) 23:43, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

Invitation to join Wiki project:ships
Hi Djembayz, thanks for the invite. However, I am sort of on a ship project already, working primarily on Royal Navy vessels of the 1793-1815 era. Within that I find myself writing new articles, adding refs to existing articles, expanding stubs, and contributing the occasional DYK. Under the new rules of DYKs, I will start looking for DYK articles to evaluate. Regards, Acad Ronin (talk) 02:25, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

DYK issue
Hello! Your submission of Sunny South (clipper) at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know!

(Note: I have not looked at the article myself. I'm merely reporting an issue raised by another user.) M AN d ARAX  •  XAЯA b ИA M  06:58, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

Mimosa (ship)
Thanks for adding an infobox to Mimosa (ship). I assume you read the article. Bearing in mind its content, would you agree that having a Union Flag displayed so prominently may be seen as a touch insensitive?. Do you know of any other infoboxen that may be more suitable? Daicaregos (talk) 07:56, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Changed it to the ensign-- as would be displayed on a ship. Missed the "civil" tag, and thus we had the landlubber's flag instead. The flag a ship flies is based on the ship's nationality, indicating you are not a pirate. Perhaps the correction appears less grating. Djembayz (talk) 23:59, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks for doing that. Certainly an improvement. Best, 08:10, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Sunny South (clipper
Hello! Your submission of Sunny South (clipper at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Thelmadatter (talk) 15:37, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Sunny South (clipper)
-- Cirt (talk) 00:03, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

Matthew Turner
Hi Djembayz, thanks for adding all that material to the Matthew Turner (shipbuilder) article, as it is likely to appear on the main page in the DYK section within the week, it looks a lot more complete now. Only one quibble referring to the Galilee, it was the Carnegie that was built virtually without magnetic materials, designed by Henry J. Gielow and built at the Tebo Yacht Basin. The Galilee had all the magnetic material removed that could be during her period of charter, but the remaining iron bolts meant that constant corrections were required that slowed the observations down and reduced their accuracy, which was why the Carnegie was built. Cheers, Mikenorton (talk) 10:32, 4 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Hi Mike, glad we were able to get this one in in time for the DYK. Matthew Turner was a major player, and I was surprised he didn't have an article. What you're saying about Galilee makes sense, wasn't sure why there would be iron bolts rather than wooden pegs but figured it must be structural, should have gone back and re-read. Always good to have a second set of eyes, esp. when adding a bunch of cites.


 * Drop me a note if you decide to start more old sailing ship articles! I see you're able to extract a quick general overview from these web sources easier than I can. I have good access to print and can add some details if you get a basic article going. Collaboration would make it a bunch quicker. Cheers, Djembayz (talk) 21:03, 4 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Nothing planned at the moment, the ship articles got started because of the geophysical observations, but they were fun to do - I should expand the Carnegie, now that I've found the Carnegie Institute's webpages on the cruises. Two of Turner's boats did catch my eye however, the Tolna (and the remarkable Countess Festetics de Tolna ) and the Pitcairn (and the missionary John I. Tay ), so I might do something on them, if so I'll let you know. Cheers, Mikenorton (talk) 00:20, 9 March 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Matthew Turner (shipbuilder)
Thank you Victuallers (talk) 02:02, 7 March 2011 (UTC)

Loch Line
Hi there, I have done a fair bit of research about the Loch Line, and don't believe that Loch Awe was ever owned by Aitken and Lilburn (who owned the company). Can you find a reliable source? Have a look at this site: http://www.wrecksite.eu/wreck.aspx?156633 which appears to show the historic owners of Loch Awe and is a very reliable site. Let me know what you think?

Cheers, Spy007au (talk) 02:51, 2 April 2011 (UTC)


 * That's quite a site! Thanks for pointing it out. Have not researched the Loch Line, so I leave that part to you. Now that I know the owners to look for, here's what else I find: G.H. Payne, 1872-1877, Owner or consignee. C. Hoult, 1876, Owner; 1878-1879, Owner or consignee. J. & R. Wilson, Owner or consignee, 1877-79; Owner, 1878-1890. (Didn't check year by year after 1878, just sampled. Mystic Seaport Ship and Yacht Register List, http://library.mysticseaport.org/initiative/VSearchIndex.cfm) Perhaps you recognize these names?


 * One more question: any other Loch Line ships here? http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:State_Library_of_Queensland/Reports/Ship_categories Djembayz (talk) 15:01, 2 April 2011 (UTC)


 * No worries, I remove Loch Awe from the Loch Line article as it clearly does not belong there. Loch Awe has a very interesting history, so perhaps you should consider writing an article about it?

The Loch Line only owned 25 ships in its fleet, and they are all identified in the article - so there are no more from the above list.

Happy editing and regards, Spy007au (talk) 00:55, 3 April 2011 (UTC)

Lahloo
You say you are a librarian, so presumably you have access to The Times Digital Archives. A search there reveals more info which could be useful in expanding the article. Mjroots (talk) 17:09, 2 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the tip. This site is also good: California Digital Newspaper Collection, http://cdnc.ucr.edu/cdnc

Rated aaarrrrr
While I wasn't inspired to write (or even consider writing, actuallly : an article on clippers, I did want to thank you for your links to their history. I've got an interest in 19th Century shipping for private research, so they're a help. Any thoughts on finding operators & builders of Boston/New England whalers, or of the early oil tankers?  TREKphiler  any time you're ready, Uhura 09:14, 22 April 2011 (UTC) (P.S. You realize what the MPAA listing for every pirate movie has to be, don't you? ;p )
 * Lots of possibilities. The Mystic Seaport link has search info for registers of merchant sail with info on ship owners and masters. Ship Index will let you search books for mentions of individual ships. Two questions: One, what format, print or online only? There are quite a few books on whaling and whalers, some with full view at Google books. I read more about sail, so don't know much about tankers, though Thomas W. Lawson (ship) was one very early oil tanker :) (User:Haus would likely know a bit about tankers ...) If you want to trace out the details about a specific owner or ship, the Google Books search can pull out anecdotal info/factoids for you-- but it is my observation that you'll probably want to do some fact checking on this stuff. That is what the maritime historians know how to do. Two: if you want to go beyond websites, have you tried looking at a maritime museum library, Mystic Seaport library, or MIT for the tanker/ocean engineering end? You can get lots of fascinating small facts and leads from online newspaper databases, free and paid, but again, if you want reliable info you probably are looking for maritime history materials. Some of that will be print only. I'd look at the Mystic Seaport website first, if there's no maritime museum near you in the prairies :) Djembayz (talk) 02:43, 23 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks a bunch. :D I'm not too worried about specifics, since I'm working in fiction; reasonably correct names & dates I can build around is plenty. :)
 * I should say about tankers, I had in mind the very early ones. Tanker might not even be the word: they carried barrels of oil IIRC. This was, again IIRC, mid- or late-19h Century; sail, too, I think. No worries if you never heard of it; I collect trivial oddities like this all the time. ;p I'll give Haus a ping, too.
 * Thx again. Cheers.  TREKphiler  any time you're ready, Uhura 03:16, 23 April 2011 (UTC)
 * After a quick glance at this & this, I should thank you again. ;p That's even better than I hoped. :D  TREKphiler  any time you're ready, Uhura 03:40, 23 April 2011 (UTC)
 * If you're including the shipment of whale oil in barrels, then here's one for you: Harriet Hoxie (clipper). There's a microfilm narrative of one of its voyages you might find interesting ... let me know if you'd like to look at it. Also, The Story of the New England Whalers. Djembayz (talk) 15:28, 23 April 2011 (UTC)
 * You're just a vault of great info, aren't you? :D I don't need specifics ATM (& haven't decided if I ever will, tho the idea of a story about an escaped slave on a whaler or "tanker" has crossed my mind :) ). If it's on microfilm, I should be able to get my local library to order it in, if I ever feel the need. Can you say where the Smith account from the Hoxie page is held?  TREKphiler any time you're ready, Uhura 23:05, 23 April 2011 (UTC)
 * [Sent reply by e-mail.] Djembayz (talk)

Help with Essex (whaleship) box
Added a ship infobox to Essex (whaleship), using the image from the box with the crew members. Would someone please move the crewmembers' box back down under the infobox? Djembayz (talk) 01:16, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

Done. SwisterTwister (talk) 05:23, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

Moved the crew members' box to directly below the infobox. wctaiwan (talk) 05:46, 30 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your help! Djembayz (talk) 21:08, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

DYK
Hey DJ. I hacked together a construction section based on what little info I could put together. Right now, the article is at about 3,500 characters of prose and has been expanded 5x since August 30. As long as it gets nominated in the next few days (and it doesn't have a ton of maintenance tags when it is reviewed) I don't think it will have any problems. Cheers. Haus Talk 11:34, 31 August 2011 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Peace in Africa (ship)
Hello! Your submission of Peace in Africa (ship) at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Odie5533 (talk) 05:24, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
 * I noticed this and tweaked the existing hook accordingly. Cheers. Haus Talk 05:55, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Sorry for late response, been busy elsewhere. Looks like Haus has done a lot of good work. I would suggest that the article be housed at MV Peace in Africa per WP:MOSSHIP. Are the actual ports of registry known? If so, they should be named and referenced. Mjroots (talk) 08:15, 1 September 2011 (UTC)

Maritime transport
Hey DJ. I'm wondering if you'd have any interest in trying to breathe some life into the maritime transport task force. A fundamental problem with sailors working on wikipedia is that we tend to disappear for months on end, which hampers momentum building up. If you're interested, I think there's a lot of opportunity for outreach to existing WP editors, people associated with maritime academies, and users of prevalent maritime blogs, and subsequently coaching new users. No pressure - but it occurred to me that it might fall into your areas of interest. Cheers. Haus Talk 06:35, 2 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Hello again. I put together a brainstorming page with a few initial thoughts.  It might be a useful place to kick around ideas...  Cheers.  Haus Talk 10:37, 5 September 2011 (UTC)


 * On another front - the DYK collaboration last week was fun. Want to do another?  I picked through some stubs and found some possible candidates: MOL Enterprise, MV Asian Glory, MV Magellan Star, MSC Sabrina, MV Pramoni, MV Trinity Bay, Seabulk Pride, and Torben Spirit. Cheers.  Haus Talk 09:57, 6 September 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Peace in Africa (ship)
The DYK project (nominate) 08:04, 5 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Hey, did you see the new photos at Peace_in_Africa_(ship)? :) Haus Talk 16:54, 13 September 2011 (UTC)

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Photos of ship paingints
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Did You Know ...

 * ... that Kyra Markham whose images were used as propaganda against the Nazis briefly had Frank Lloyd Wright as a father-in-law?


 * Would you mind doing a QPQ review on DYK to comply with rules? Copyedit too if you have time ??? Victuallers (talk) 19:49, 20 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Nice job expanding that! Some minor copyediting done, added a few links. Refs look good, will check for DYK as/when time permits. Djembayz (talk) 04:23, 21 December 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Kyra Markham
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Help with references for David Margolis (artist)
Using ProveIt to add references; attempted to delete a few references from my list on ProveIt, now all I can add is bare URLs. Can't seem to turn ProveIt off, either. Can someone fix this somehow?
 * I've never used ProveIt, so I don't have a direct answer, however, I suspect that the good people at Wikipedia:Village pump (technical) are likely to know more.
 * Neither have I, but proveit has a talk page - User talk:ProveIt GT - best to ask there.  Ron h jones (Talk) 16:24, 29 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks, didn't think of that. Djembayz (talk) 16:28, 29 December 2011 (UTC)