User talk:Djockers

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WP:NOT a Directory... and radio
Firsfron, I appreciate the opportunity to clarify my situation with you. I am an contributor, having edited radio station pages in the U.S. for some time now... admittedly, one such article regarding a radio station where I've worked for the last 17 years -- contributing what I hope is unbiased fact.

Recently, a section of an article that lists the current on-air personalities and the shifts they fill was removed by a user claiming the info was a "promotional schedule and listing". I undid those changes, noting that "programme lists and schedules may be acceptable". Subsequently, the user once again deleted my info claiming that "WP is not an electronic program guide". I undid the changes again, noting that the info "is NOT an electronic programming guide, it is in fact a significant programme list/schedule". This time I added a section in the discussion portion of the article, where I went into more depth about this topic -- citing your recent discussion about schedules and program lists. You can also see the history of the article in question here: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=WNCX&action=history.

My question to you is that the recent discussion on this topic centered primarily around current Television schedules -- with only a casual mention of Radio. This seems to have started some confusion perhaps, on the clarity of this topic for radio. There are thousands of radio stations in the USA -- with MOST articles having their on-air personality schedules on them (I believe what you in the UK refer to as "presenters"). It is important to note, that most radio stations schedules do not change for very long periods of time... for example the radio station that I edited this article about (as in years). Thus, the information could and should be considered historical, should it not? To have it removed citing this policy really makes me wonder what is the policy here? So I am seeking you out for clarity, so that this other user and I don't continue changing each others changes. I note that this particular user changed many of the articles about radio stations in this particular city -- and has made numerous other changes to many other articles about radio stations throught the US, citing this same policy. So where do you think radio schedules fall? Current or historic?

Thanks again for the opportunity. Djockers 22:42, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Hi Djockers!
 * Thanks for your note. I've left you some welcome links above to help you get more acquainted with Wikipedia. First off, thanks for taking this dispute to the talk page. That's always a good first step in dispute resolution. Since you've worked at the station for 17 years, you're just the sort of professional Wikipedia needs, and I thanks you for contributing. It's clear from your comments above that you're aware of conflict of interest issues, and I don't see anything in your contribution list that sets off alarm bells.

I had focused my comments on national TV network program grids, because those are something I am familiar with. Like you, I live in the States, and these grids affect 300 million people per year. Some editors were calling these grids "unencyclopedic", but there are several TV encyclopedias which use them extensively, so this argument seemed absurd.

My question to you is: how many years has the radio station's schedule remained unchanged, and can you find a citation for this? The concern some editors have is that maintenence won't be performed when the station's schedule changes, leading to an inaccurate article. The problem with a local schedule like this is that unless there is someone on Wikipedia who knows the schedule, can cite it with a reliable source, and can continue to maintain it, it is going to become outdated, even if the schedule stays the same for a couple of years.

The national TV grids only have to be updated once or twice a year, and because there are so many Wikipedians watching the networks, they aren't likely to ever be outdated. I'm not sure the same can be said for a local radio schedule. However, I would encourage you to work out some sort of agreement with FightingIrish on the talk page. Do not continue to revert to your version, even if policy appears to support your side. Edit wars are never good. Seek greater consensus: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Radio Stations would be a great place to list your concerns. One compromise might be to replace the schedule with a paragraph of prose (with proper citations). I hope some of these comments will prove useful to you. Best wishes and happy editing, Firsfron of Ronchester  23:53, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

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