User talk:Djrobb

Djrobb, (Dave?), first let me say Welcome to Wikipedia, and I hope that you don't take this deletion nomination for PiKA the wrong way. It's a well written history, it's just outside the scope of Wikipedia. The relevant policies are Wikipedia is not a free host, blog, or webspace provider and to a lesser degree Notability (people). The page should probably be hosted on College of William and Mary webspace, perhaps http://djrobb.people.wm.edu/? I can help you move it there. I've suggested that the page be Userfied instead of Deleted, meaning that it will be moved to your user page for the time being, instead of wholesale deleted. For your conveinience I've also added the standard welcome message below - it has several useful links for new editors. -- stillnotelf   has a talk page  21:09, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
 * I see that you maintain http://www.wmpika.org/. As that page is linked to from Pi Kappa Alpha, why not maintain the history there? --  stillnotelf   has a talk page  21:12, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

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I've copied your reply here to keep all the discussion in one place:

Thanks for being patient with me, I am new to this. I moved the page from wmpika.org to wikipedia. The platform provides a great way for users to grow the history records of this important organization. Its obviously still a work in progress as is everything on wikipedia. There hasn't been a lot of activity yet because I have not announced its existence yet to the thousands of interested alumni and members of the broader community.

I have been trying to figure out the specific reason this article should be disqualified from wikipedia by looking at the criteria. It seems to fit on the site pretty well as it is notable in that it was one of the first fraternities at the College that invented the Greek system.

It is also very similar to the following wikis that have not been nominated for deletion:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lambda_Chi_Alpha http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kappa_Alpha_Order http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sigma_Alpha_Epsilon http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pi_Kappa_Alpha

The information is verifiable.

The article is not original research.

It is not a definition.

It is not trivia.

It is not a blog.

It is not a personal history, It is not a forum, a travel guide, a memorial, a news report, a directory or manual.

In many ways it is similar to histories of clubs on wikipedia that have been deemed to fall within the wikipedia guidelines:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Hellfire_Club http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaos_Computer_Club http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Slimelight_Club http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turtle_Club


 * The problem is that it is a chapter of the fraternity, not the fraternity as a whole. PiKA as a national organization clearly deserves an article, but has the local chapter done anything historically meaningful enough to merit an individual article?  Of the clubs you mention: the first is historically notable, the second is active in current events, the third is a location, and the latter is probably not notable, although does have some historical interest.
 * The article is essentially a personal history, just not a history of one person, if that makes any sense. Is this particular chapter any more notable than any other chapter of the fraternity?  While the notability criterion is debateable (it's not technically official policy), there is still a problem with the fact that Wikipedia is not a web host: this is the sort of information much more appropriate to the site you moved it from than Wikipedia itself.
 * The main reason I have listed it for AFD is to see what other people think about the notability of the article. AFD is a debate towards consensus, not simply a vote and most certainly not a sure deletion; I've had my own articles nominated in the past.  Other users will eventually weigh in on the notability of the article to establish a community consensus.


 * I'd also like you request that you please sign your posts on the talk page by typing four tildes: ~ . This puts your name and the time that you wrote the comment. --  stillnotelf   has a talk page  21:57, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

Where to have the discussion?
We should have it on the talk page for the article. I'll help you move stuff later. -- stillnotelf   has a talk page  19:50, 24 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Moved. -- stillnotelf   has a talk page  21:22, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

Pi Kappa Alpha - Gamma Chapter at the College of William & Mary
This now deleted article has been moved to your userspace. Johnleemk | Talk 14:27, 29 March 2006 (UTC)


 * It's been moved there temporarily, to give you time to save the information somewhere else - Wikipedia is not a free webhost, so within a couple of days you'll need to move it out of Wikipedia entirely so it can be deleted. You can tag it for deletion after you've moved it out by adding  into the top of the page.  If you're still interested in hosting this in a wiki format, other wikis that take this kind of thing are listed at Comparison of wiki farms.  Thanks, --  stillnotelf   is invisible  07:05, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

Schedule for Moving
First let me say that I am disappointed this Wiki was deleted. No one ever replied to the final justification for notability. Furthermore, no consensus from the wiki community was ever formed.

I am going to be out of town on business until April 5th. I am planning on moving it by April 8th. Please do not remove the page until then. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Djrobb (talk • contribs) 16:17, 30 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Have you moved it out yet? -- stillnotelf   is invisible  18:17, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

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