User talk:Dkriegls/Archive 2012

Your comment at List of Scientists Opposing Mainstream blah blah blah
Hi, after Warden's remark you have a comment. I'd like to suggest refactoring by removing bold and indenting under his remark. I was about to say the same thing you did, with that sort of indenting but it would be redundant. Proper factoring will help someone decide if there is consensus. NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 21:10, 8 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Done, Cheers :)

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Thx
Thanks for the civilty star.... however, I can name a few editors who will snort in derision! NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 23:05, 17 January 2012 (UTC)

Mighty Og
Please review new references for notability. Regards: Greg5030 (talk) 03:00, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Frank Haven Hall


The article Frank Haven Hall has been proposed for deletion&#32; because of the following concern:
 * Only 2 sources which are pretty poor, the subject seems to lack notatability

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 * I barely got started with this article, slow down! He invented the Braille Typewriter, kinda a big thing. I added two significant references citing this. One is the respected Journal of the Chicago Historical Society, and one is the very notable book Devil in the White city, which dedicates a half a page to describing his inventiveness (pg: 285). Dkriegls (talk) 09:34, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

Amidon, North Dakota
I don't understand these edits from you. First you neaten up the links for the notable person section then you added the criteria that an article is needed. Cody Miller, who you were worked on a link for, doesn't have an independent article. So she comes out of the article....William 02:23, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Not all notable people merit independent Wikipedia biographies pages. See: Notability (people). The FYI warning I place on these lists can refer to their notable mention in a non-biography Wikipedia article. In cases of pageant winners, crime victims, and state level politicians, they may never get an independent biography, nor require one. Instead of red linking, it is preferred to create a blue link to the article describing their notability. If this is the only reason you deleted this entry, I ask that you please reverse it.
 * Now, if you contest Miss North Dakota Teen USA as a notability threshold, I'm not much of an advocate so I wouldn't debate you on removal for that. However, it's notable enough as a pageant for it's own article. And if the individual is notable enough to be mentioned on a WP:Notable page (e.g. as winner), that meets notability thresholds for mention in their hometown. But like I said, I will not go to bat for them if you don't agree. Dkriegls (talk) 02:51, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

Barnstar
The Cleanup Barnstar

List of people from Brattleboro, Vermont
There are two reasons why it needed to be removed. One is that going by the color, you should know that it was designed for talk pages. Article space items similar to that are clear. Secondly, and more importantly, we simply don't put that type of thing on articles. While we generally do put clean-up type tags (POV, more refs), as the guideline points out, those are meant to be temporary, and the issue can be addressed. Here, you can't fix what the tag is talking about. What the norm is for those types of lists is to put this in hidden text at the start of the list of people:

That usually works well, but not everyone takes the time to read. Aboutmovies (talk) 04:14, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

Brownington
Thank you for your note. It is nearly impossible for an editor (Wikipedia editors) to maintain vague lists of "notables" on a list of people who fail WP:NN. That is why they are deleted. Right now, someone has deleted one of my nn who rates a bio. I am smack in the middle of writing that bio in order to restore this person, who I have no connection with. Just happened to stumble across him. It is a nuisance, but the deleting editor had a point and blew the whistle on me. And, no, this had nothing to do with Brownington! Take care! Student7 (talk) 20:32, 5 April 2012 (UTC)


 * In fact, nearly the first sentence in the notability guideline says, "notability is a test used by editors to decide whether a topic can have its own article." That is, notability = article. No article, no notability. Editors who have been on a while tend to regard the "notables" subsection as fleas on a dog. You can't get rid of them, but why expand them? The article is about a place, not someone who won the district "longest ball" in 1983. In fact, the latter distracts from the tiny towns in Vermont which have very little to distinguish them. But the topic is still place, not people, even though biographies are required. Worse, people have inserted Joe doaks, who was lead substitute drummer for the Who in 2003. It starts drifting without strict guidelines. So yes, non-notable members of bands aren't recognized, and there is policy and editors to support that. Student7 (talk) 13:36, 11 April 2012 (UTC)


 * For the record, Medal of Honor recipients have their own articles as do Misses America, I think even Misses Vermont. One-time perps and victims often get a redirect to the actual article, which is hard to get enthusiastic about. Olympic medalists probably get their own article but not members of the Jamaican bobsled team unless they actually got a medal. That seems to account for many, if not most of your "overlooked" non-notables who might have been notable. B

Burke
In fact, the editor rm the bio was you. Didn't realize you had replaced him and rv your earlier deletion. Okay to make whatever changes you deem necessary. I think we are on the same page here. Thanks for cleaning up the pages. Noticed you deleted a person who "visited" some town. It irked me at the time but didn't have the guts to erase it. Thanks! Student7 (talk) 22:39, 5 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Not that sure you have ever had to maintain a "notables" section against a variety of well-meaning, but new editors. They insert bands, WP:NN, at length. It is a nuisance to maintain. While the bots pretty well take care of vandalism nowdays, notables are the last remaining subsection that could use protection from newbies. Removing the warning is not helpful IMO. I watch 1800 articles, many of which have notable subsections. This warning has helped me to concentrate on the details of the article rather than on some area which most long-time editors consider "trivia, but unremovable." It takes a bit of research to make that determination sometimes since newbies rarely are familiar with footnotes and the connection with the individual to the place/school is unknown until I have looked at the bio (if any), tried to find if the connection in the bio was actually footnoted. It usually isn't. Warnings are helpful. Altering comments which have helped maintain the integrity of an article, is not, in itself, very helpful IMO. Student7 (talk) 12:24, 20 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure I follow you. I monitor and maintain well over 2500 city, town, and village pages; focusing almost exclusively on the Notable people section. I put a hidden comment on every Notable person section I clean up in order to discourage red link adds. Recently I went back through and removed two phrases from my own posts that I realized violate WP:Civility and WP:Notability. Is this what you are referring to?Dkriegls (talk) 02:30, 21 April 2012 (UTC)
 * "Your own posts." Okay. I was wrong. Though close, they didn't quite sound like I had worded them, but I agreed with them the way they were. But I agree you have a perfect right to rework your own comments! My apologies. Student7 (talk) 12:09, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

Millinocket
Hi! I was born and grew up in Millinocket Maine. I removed the photo (post card) because even though it says Millinocket, ME on the postcard, it is not. I have seen this postcard for sale on Ebay many times. It is actually of Lincoln, ME even though it states Millinocket. Could you please remove it? Thank you!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Millinocket Rocket (talk • contribs) 01:12, 25 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Done :) Dkriegls (talk) 20:11, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

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 * Thank you for applying! --Rsrikanth05 (talk) 18:10, 25 April 2012 (UTC)
 * CheersDkriegls (talk) 18:12, 25 April 2012 (UTC)

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Template:Did you know nominations/Anthems and nationalistic songs of Canada
I've reviewed your nomination at Template:Did you know nominations/Anthems and nationalistic songs of Canada and there are several issues. Could you please respond to my comments at the DYK nomination? Thanks. Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:14, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

Your request for rollback
Hi Dkriegls. After reviewing your request for rollback, I have enabled rollback on your account. Keep in mind these things when going to use rollback: If you no longer want rollback, contact me and I'll remove it. Also, for some more information on how to use rollback, see New admin school/Rollback (even though you're not an admin). I'm sure you'll do great with rollback, but feel free to leave me a message on my talk page if you run into troubles or have any questions about appropriate/inappropriate use of rollback. Thank you for helping to reduce vandalism. Happy editing! The Blade of the Northern Lights ( 話して下さい ) 03:10, 8 May 2012 (UTC)
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Critiqe of my interprative ablity moved from Talk:Manchester, New Hampshire
Dkreigls, it appears to me that you do not understand some basic Wikipedia policies and concepts. There isn't "notable information" and "non-notable information" in Wikipedia terminology and you can't make individual edits and claim that they're supported by consensus based on your personal interpretation of guideline pages and patterns you think you see: that is not what consensus means.

You should not be going around and based upon your personal judgement of whether a city is big enough or important enough deciding how long the article should be and eliminating tens or hundreds of hours or more of other peoples' work actually researching and writing encyclopedia content in those articles to enact that judgement. It's one thing if you think something is promotional spam after carefully reading and looking at the topic but things like accounts of the neighborhoods or past mayors of a city are certainly appropriate to be researched and documented on Wikipedia. An entire encyclopedia can be written on a single city - this is called a city gazetteer and they were written hundreds of years ago when most of the cities in the world were smaller than Manchester is now. Wikipedia is not a paper encyclopedia and there is no reason to limit the topics it documents encyclopedically or the amount of encyclopedic content on those topics.

If you think there should be inclusion criteria limiting what Wikipedia can document encyclopedically based upon whether a topic is big enough or important enough, go start a project page advocating this and try to get it adopted as a guideline or policy. Don't go around deleting chunks of researched and written encyclopedia content based on your personal judgement and call it consensus. --❨Ṩtruthious ℬandersnatch❩ 17:44, 8 May 2012 (UTC)


 * I am sorry that my interpretation of Wikipedia guidelines makes you upset, but I will try to address your critiques one by one. As I mentioned on the city talk page; I belong to and am active in both the WP:WikiProject Cities and WP:WikiProject Lists, neither of which make a default inclusion criterion for lists of neighborhoods. Many editors, including myself, think that style and presentation have just as much to do with access to information for readers as content does. There are plenty of editors that argue against the cumbersomeness of articles that include everything and the kitchen sink.


 * Notable information: I specifically said "I just think there should be clear inclusion criterion based on notable information". No were did I suggest this was "Wikipedia terminology" as you accuse me of doing. I clearly said "I think". There are many reasons why I think there should be clear inclusion criterion for what is notable for any given article, and I would say most editors agree with me. This is evidenced by the fact that you would be hard pressed to find a history section of any city that includes non-notable crimes, or detailed descriptions of each local election.


 * Consensus: consensus is initially reached as the "natural product of editing". If editing consensus is not reached you move to the talk page, as we have done. Two reverts is usually my rule. I interpret this to be an encyclopedic wide process and base my judgement on consensus about neighborhood inclusion on having edited several thousand city and town pages. Nowhere did I suggest otherwise. You apparently do not interpret it this way. Fine, we disagree. But I would argue that your Wikilawyering and exorbitant accusations of me "eliminating tens or hundreds of hours or more of other peoples' work" violates the spirit of key Wikipedia policies like WP:Be bold and WP:Civility.


 * Wikipedia is not a paper encyclopedia: This is my favorite critique of my editing in that you violate your own accusations of me. You state that "there is no reason to limit the topics it documents encyclopedically or the amount of encyclopedic content on those topics." Yet, that very section you cite states: "However, there is an important distinction between what can be done, and what should be done". And as you know I already stated, I believe "Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information" applies here. You may disagree, but attacking me and then behaving in ways that you accuse me of behaving, does not further your point. I hope we can work toward a consensus on a separate page and put this behind us. Dkriegls (talk) 04:10, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

Davenport
FYI USCITY doesn't control pages. There is 0 reason to ever have a blank section with just a see also link. There are several cases of a section with more info in a complete article. Please do not revert again until we reach an agreement. C T J F 8 3 01:16, 29 April 2012 (UTC)
 * If I'm not mistaken it is my good faith edits that were reverted by you; but I will not engage you in an WP:EW. When I have the time I will cite the relevant issues with keeping huge lists on city pages, why maintaining duplicate lists is bad, and why linking out to big lists is preferred. For now cheers, and enjoy a beer on me. Dkriegls (talk) 01:04, 30 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Half a paragraph is a huge list?!...I will gladly enjoy a beer :) C T J F 8 3  02:03, 30 April 2012 (UTC)

Streator, Illinois article: Notables edits
Thanks for all your work on Wikipedia. It appears that you have been cited for your work on cleaning up lists of "notable people".

Your recent edits of the Streator, Illinois article however, were a hack job.

You took one paragraph (arts), deleted about three or four people, made a bullet list and called it done.

You didn't clean up the opening paragraph of the arts section. You didn't take the time to read the article; view the other notables, or even see the Template:Notable residents of Streator, Illinois There was no notable people section in the article. Notables are spread throughout the article depending on their achievement & work (history, art, sports, politics, science).

Please revert your original edits, or at least give it a yeoman's effort and read the article first, create a comprehensive list, then rewrite each section so they remain readable.

The Template at the bottom was already there, and your list is just a duplicate of work already done. Cheers, Ljmajer (talk) 18:47, 6 May 2012 (UTC)


 * You're right, I didn't, but purposely. I did miss the template, but that is understandable, given that it is the only 'Notable resident' template on Wikipedia and is not a consensus format used by editors familiar with city pages (WP:USCITY). I'm sorry I didn't know to look for it. It's an interesting format to use, but ultimately should be deleted from the page because it fails Notability people. Specifically: "every entry in any such list requires a reliable source attesting to the fact that the named person is a member of the listed group." I will integrated it into the existing list. My deletions also fall under this standard and as well as a greater failure of WP:Notability (people).


 * As for the reformatting: I took a steam of consciousness list of sentences that formed no coherent paragraph or structure and turned it into a bullet point list for ease of navigation, per Manual_of_Style_(accessibility). There is also a wiki guideline on Navigation lists that fits here.


 * Any other notable people I saw on the page were integrated nicely into the prose of their given section and did not warrant transfer. I'm sorry you felt angered by my edits,  but, if I could be some blunt as to suggest that sticking to Good faith, and not call someone's edits a "hack job", is more likely to garner their interesting in compromising with you. Cheers Dkriegls (talk) 04:55, 7 May 2012 (UTC)

Disambiguation pages
Hello. I just thought I should let you know that I've reverted a few of your edits, and to explain why. Disambiguation pages aren't articles, and so an entry doesn't need to meet WP:NOTABILITY, just MOS:DABRL or MOS:DABMENTION. Thanks, Boleyn (talk) 16:00, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
 * You seem to do a lot of work in this area, so I assume you know a thing or two, but my reading of Disambig guidelines says that Notability (people) does apply to MOS:DABRL as a measure of "Do not create red links to articles that are unlikely ever to be written". The following are not likely to be pass notability if written:


 * Abdul Majid Khan (Afghan Ambassador). See Notability (people). Significant coverage of involvement of a significant event is required. Ambassadors do not have a default inclusion category like other national level politicians.
 * William Abbot (martyr). See Notability (people). His martyrdom should be covered by the event. Not likely to ever get his own biography page.
 * John Lucas (royalist). See Notability (people). Specifically, "person A has a relationship with well-known person B". Being a royalist also is not likely to be cause for an individual biography.


 * Your other reversals I support Dkriegls (talk) 20:04, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

Hello. All the entries clearly meet MOS:DABMENTION, ''Items appearing within other articles - If a topic does not have an article of its own, but is mentioned within another article, then a link to that article should be included.'' WP:Notability (people) states that it's guidelines for articles, and disambiguation pages aren't articles, so it's the guidelines at MOS:D that show what to add on disambiguation pages. Best wishes, Boleyn (talk) 21:29, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Okay, I understand MOS:DABMENTION now. Is it just me or does that conflict with MOS:DABRL? Or, I guess these shouldn't be red linked, but could be included under MOS:DABMENTION. I disagree with your interpretation of WP:Notability (people): it is the biography article that it applies to (you're correct) but in turn would need to be considered for MOS:DABMENTION if an article could not likely be created based on those guidelines. Anyways, I now see that the correct move would be to remove the red link but not the entire entry. Is that correct, do you agree? Dkriegls (talk) 22:24, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

May 2012
Hello, and welcome to Wikipedia. Although everyone is invited to contribute, at least one of your recent edits, such as the one you made to Laura Ricketts, did not appear to be constructive and has been reverted or removed. Please use the sandbox for any test edits you would like to make, and read the welcome page to learn more about contributing constructively to this encyclopedia. Gwen Chan 00:58, 18 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Apologies! For both templating and not understanding the context of the edit =/ Gwen Chan 01:01, 18 May 2012 (UTC)
 * No worries :) Dkriegls (talk) 04:10, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

Hi Dkriegls
sorry I had opened from an old version of the ani page and didn't see the strike tags before I replied. Glad to see it's all resolved, I hope you won't forget a note for the IP's talkpage. Penyulap  ☏  19:30, 26 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for reminding me. Almost forgot to update the IP user Dkriegls (talk) 19:38, 26 May 2012 (UTC)
 * You are most welcome, also, you have my permission to delete that section from ANI, as it only has our own remarks there. Penyulap  ☏  20:29, 26 May 2012 (UTC)

This looks familar....
Hmmm, I'm having a sense of deja vu around here. I wonder where I've seen this talk page layout before??? Are you aware of copyright???

Thank you for the barnstar. I wasn't totally original in my talk page layout. I did my User:Bgwhite/Dashboard first, then the talk and user pages followed. The box design with the three different colors I stole from someplace else, fiddled with colors, did modifications and tried putting boxes inside boxes. I'd say you owe me some money, but my sister is one of the head ER nurses at Stroger/Cook. (yes she is crazy) So, you have to deal with her killing you off, so I'd say we are even. :) Bgwhite (talk) 07:47, 29 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Lol, all my designs start of that way too. If you visit back in like two months or so I will slowly tweak it and soon you won't even recognize your own work :) D kriegls  ( talk to me! ) 07:51, 29 May 2012 (UTC)
 * "The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources." Albert Einstein

Wikipedia:WikiProject Cities/US Guideline
Thank you soooooo much for WikiProject Cities/US Guideline. I was struggling to figure out how to organize the information in the Midway City, California article. After finding and then using WikiProject Cities/US Guideline, I've been able to better figure out where things could go and get back on track. I still got a ways to go, but now have a better idea of how to handle much of the reliable source info still out there. Thanks again! -- Uzma Gamal (talk) 15:43, 29 May 2012 (UTC)
 * I will gladly accept your Thank You on behalf of the project, but I am just one contributor among many. Feel free to ask me any questions and happy editing! -- D kriegls  ( talk to me! ) 19:39, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

Wikilawyering comment
Thanks for your input regarding notable people lists at Talk:San Diego State Aztecs men's basketball. I can appreciate a difference in opinion on article content; however, I am confused by your comment on behavior regarding a "misrepresentation of the spirit of links like WP:OWN". I did not see any other way to interpret the other editor's comment of "I'm not sure why you wish to fight me on every single edit I make to this page, when I am sure you have so many more important things to do with your life or with your time on Wikipedia." Assuming good faith on your part, I might be able to reconsider if you can provide your insight on the situation in the presence of the user's edit warring history. Cheers.—Bagumba (talk) 16:55, 30 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Assuming good faith I read no claims of ownership into that statement, nor were any synonyms for ownership used. I only read frustration in having one's edits questioned with erroneous claims of WP:OR. "Every" is an exaggeration of the situation, yes, but to accuse WP:OWN of an editor who opened this discussion and continues to discuss without engaging in any edit warring is a misrepresentation. Whereas you cited the WP:DISCRIMINATE essay to suggest that WP:Notable is subjective, was in my opinion a very disingenuous comment. Furthermore, your adding this comment to the WP:Own comment list while this discussion was still ongoing, is highly inflammatory in my opinion. I am still completely unclear what your sticking point is with this particular embedded list and will continue this discussion at the SDS talk page. -- D kriegls  ( talk to me! ) 05:50, 31 May 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm at a loss to explain how an editor who reverts back to the same version three times is not considered edit warring, especially when three editors dating back to December objected. "why you wish to fight me " is not assuming good faith. "I am sure you have so many more important things to do", based on discussion and edit history IMO is "leave this article alone."  We can agree to disagree and move on. Thanks for the response and hearing me out.—Bagumba (talk) 06:58, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

david ogden stiers
The citation for D.O.S. was indeed removed in error. We thought that the citation was needed in reference to his appearing on MASH. Never occured to us that the citation was in regards to his connection to the city. As he is a native of Peoria, we have been scouring the web to try to find out his connection to Chillicothe. Working on contacting he agent for the information.

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School districts in Alabama
Hi. On the page "List of school districts in Alabama" there are a few school districts listed that are actually in Georgia. The school districts I noticed are Pickens County School District, Randolph County School District, Sumter County School District, Thomasville City School District and Wilcox County School District. I am not sure if there is a reason for this? If not, should I notify someone about this or correct it in some way? I was not sure who to ask and you were so friendly and helpful I thought I would ask you. Thanks! --BuzyBody (talk) 21:19, 21 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Good catch. I investigated and it turns out they were all linked to Georgia schools, but were also real Alabama schools as well. Google produced school districts in Alabama for each one. I correct the links by adding (Alabama) to each district, so now they are red links awaiting someone to create a page. Always glad to help! -- D kriegls  ( talk to me! ) 23:13, 21 June 2012 (UTC)

Hebron, Illinois
I agree completely that the information about the Hebron basketball team of 1952 did not warrant an appearance in the top paragraph. When I got there, that was already there, at the top, including a reference in the second paragraph to a book my husband and I wrote about the team, but not the names of the players. I felt they were more important than we were, so I put the players' names there (they're the famous ones) while respecting the wishes of whoever put the mention of the book there by leaving that alone. I also fixed a sentence that was very poorly written (about the center of the gym floor being removed and set in the trophy case) so that it made sense.

Your edit to move the mention of the basketball team to the body of the piece rather than the beginning makes perfect sense. Removing the players' names while leaving the mention of the book (and our names) is not, I think, the best choice. To the town of Hebron, and to fans of high school basketball in Illinois and across the country, they are far more important than the authors of the book. Putting the ungrammatical hodgepodge about the floor and the trophy case back the way it was also strikes me as a bit odd. That piece of information is certainly no more important than anything else about the team, and certainly not more important than the players' names. If someone does think that's important enough to have there, then it should certainly make sense, which it does not in its current form.

IfThisBeMadness (talk) 21:42, 25 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I did a casual revert when you added non-notable people to the article. But have now gone back and taken the time to digest it and clean up the entirety of the content. Most of that information wasn't encyclopedic. High School sports need more than a book published by their non-independent governing association to establish notability. I will be happy to entertain any suggestions you have for further editing of this subject, but I highly encourage you to read Conflict of interest first. -- D kriegls  ( talk to me! ) 22:31, 25 June 2012 (UTC)

School districts in Nebraska
Hello. I noticed there is a school district listed under wiki page "List of school districts in Nebraska" that is actually a school district in Connecticut. The school district is "Bridgeport Public Schools". Would you please let me know how to correct this? Thank you--BuzyBody (talk) 22:02, 27 June 2012 (UTC) I found other school districts on the same wiki page "List of school districts in Nebraska" that are school districts for other states: "Elgin Public Schools" in Oklahoma, "Shelton Public Schools" in Connecticut, "Bennington Public Schools" in Oklahoma, "Lexington Public Schools" in Massachusetts, "St. Paul Public Schools in Minnesota and "Nemaha Valley Schools" in Kansas. I want to correct the wiki page, I am just not sure how to do so. Thanks again --BuzyBody (talk) 22:25, 27 June 2012 (UTC)
 * It sounds like there is a lot of clean up that needs to be done on the school district pages. I encourage you to do it. Just follow the steps I took for the Alabama school districts-


 * 1) Google the school district and see if there is a real one in that state.
 * 2) If there isn't, delete the listing.
 * 3) If there is, edit the link so that it reads---"School District Name (state)|School District Name" which looks like School District Name when you add the   which turns it into a link. --  D kriegls  ( talk to me! ) 22:37, 27 June 2012 (UTC)

I was able to correct the links. Thank you for your help!--BuzyBody (talk) 00:50, 8 July 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Anthems and nationalistic songs of Canada
Yngvadottir (talk) 16:03, 1 July 2012 (UTC)

Adding Town's logo to a page
Hi! I had another editor contact me to ask if I knew how to add the town's logo to the wiki page "Braselton, Georgia". I have not added an image before and hae no idea how to do this. Would you be able to guide me? Thanks!--BuzyBody (talk) 00:15, 8 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Hi BuzyBody. It's easy to add a logo. If you click on edit for the Braselton, Georgia page, you will find "image_seal" under the Infobox options. You just add the uploaded image name (with .jpg) after the = sign for image_seal. If you want to know how to upload an image in the first place, see this Wiki Commons how to. I hope this helps. -- D kriegls  ( talk to me! ) 15:02, 21 July 2012 (UTC)
 * There is also an issue of copyright. A logo is almost always a protected image. You may need to get permission to use it on Wikipedia. This is more easy than you may think. A simple email to the city hall an they usually jump at the chance to help. -- D kriegls  ( talk to me! ) 15:13, 21 July 2012 (UTC)

I have not added an image before but will work on it and see how it goes. Thank you.--BuzyBody (talk) 21:11, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

Notation Needs Additional Citations for Verification
Hi. I have another question for you. I was working on the wiki page for "De Beque, Colorado" and under the History section there is a notation explaining the section needs additional citations for verification. I cited several sources and I am wondering how to request the section be reviewed to determine if the notation should be removed? I though perhaps I placed some type of note on the Talk page? Please let me know what the proces is. Thank you. I appreciate your help.--BuzyBody (talk) 17:27, 9 July 2012 (UTC)
 * For this I advise you to BE BOLD and remove it yourself. If you've added links that you think are reliable and verify the information written, then just remove that "citation needed" request yourself. If another editor thinks there is still more citations needed, they will just add it back, and you can ask them what else they want cited. The history section citations for De Beque, Colorado need a little work though: Link 7 and 9 are broken, they don't got to any page. -- D kriegls  ( talk to me! ) 15:09, 21 July 2012 (UTC)

Hello. Link 6 and 9 are not working. The links reference pages on the town's website but the town website is not longer available, and now shows an invalid URL address. The links and the website were valid on 7/9/12. I have not encountered this before. I removed the links and town website and will review later to see if the URL address is valid at a later date. Thank you.--BuzyBody (talk) 20:23, 22 July 2012 (UTC)
 * It's okay to leave a reference to a dead website as long as you list the date you accessed it. But, more importantly, I have a fun tool for you to use in just these situations. It's called The Way Back Machine. It archives the entire internet. You can put in deleted websites and see if they were archived. Here is an archive of De Beque's history section from July 28, 2011. You would cite that date as the access date, not when you visited. You would also use the full web.archive.org link url. I hope this helps -- D kriegls  ( talk to me! ) 18:21, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

The Way Back Machine definitely helps. The town website was valid again, but I worked with the Way Back Machine to test it out, and will use it the next time this type of situation occurs. Thanks.--BuzyBody (talk) 21:08, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

BuzyBody
It's me Dkriegls. I am on vacation and only have my smart phone. It is really hard to edit wiki on my phone so I will answer you in like two weeks — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.21.38.93 (talk) 09:45, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

Hi. Hope you really enjoy your vacation. I will wait to hear from you... thanks for all your help!--BuzyBody (talk) 23:02, 17 July 2012 (UTC)

Incorporated Date for a Town/City
Hi. I wanted to know the correct place to list when a town/city was incorporated? I usually see it placed under the History section, but occasionally see it listed in the town info box. I wanted to see which option was the most correct. Thank you--BuzyBody (talk) 21:40, 25 July 2012 (UTC)
 * I would assume both places. If there is an option for it in the infobox, then it is always appropriate there. However, with founding dates, I think a mention in the history section is appropriate. I don't know if there is a "correct" answer though. -- D kriegls  ( talk to me! ) 06:14, 31 July 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for your reply. I am not sure why some info boxes have an option for founding dates, while other do not - maybe it was just the way the original editor set up the page. I just wanted to be sure I was not doing something incorrectly, I prefer to put the information in the history section. Thank you.--BuzyBody (talk) 02:12, 2 August 2012 (UTC)

In Response
In response to your message/edit: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Elk_Grove_Village,_Illinois&pe=1&#Dave_Cullen_.5Bcitation_needed.5D

Please let me know what I have done wrong.

Speaker4thadead (talk) 20:33, 31 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Again, welcome to Wikipedia. I took care of the reference you were seeking. There is a Daily Herald article there now. For future reference, here is a resource on acceptable citations: Identifying reliable sources


 * More importantly though, you should refrain from editing any articles about your family. That is considered a Conflict of Interest and can get you in trouble with other editors. If you want to add something, just ask me, or put it on the talk page of the article in question, like you did with Elk Grove Village. Cheers and happy editing -- D kriegls  ( talk to me! ) 20:49, 31 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Ok thanks, I will read the citation page.
 * Speaker4thadead (talk) 20:53, 31 July 2012 (UTC)

Deleting Media Information from Town Wiki Pages
Hello. I have another question for you, if you do not mind. I have reviewed WP:USCITY and understand the guideline does not recommend making detailed lists of tv stations/radio stations that are available in that town. May I be bold in my editing and remove the lists, especially if they are rather lengthy? One example is the article for Temple, Texas. Thank you.--BuzyBody (talk) 02:19, 2 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I wouldn't delete media information since it is good encyclopedia information. In the case of Temple, Texas, the best course of action would be to create a separate media page. See Media in Chicago for an example of how to build one. For Temple the page would be much smaller. I never mess with media info so I am not sure how other editors handle this type of info.


 * Another possibility would be to delete it and then just link to List of television stations in Texas and List of radio stations in Texas in the see also section. Again, this is just a suggestion. -- D kriegls  ( talk to me! ) 01:20, 11 August 2012 (UTC)

Thank you, I appreciate the suggestions.--BuzyBody (talk) 14:37, 11 August 2012 (UTC)

Listing notable people on town pages
Hello. I have noticed many town pages have pretty long lists of notable people, and some of the lists include people that do not have their own wiki articles. The page for Sherman, Texas is an example. When I edit some town pages, there is a note to only list people that have their own wiki articles. I reviewed different guidelines and am not clear on the proper procedure. Please let me know what is the correct guideline regarding this. Thank you.--BuzyBody (talk) 22:08, 2 August 2012 (UTC)
 * My rule of thumb is to create a "List of people from..." page when the embedded list reaches 25 people. This is not a set rule, it is just a number that I use. A perfect example of such a page looks like List of people from Park Ridge, Illinois; and then at the city page you delete the embedded list and link to the new page like this: Park Ridge, Illinois. However, it's okay to get the page started like this: List of people from Cairo, Illinois. Almost all "List of people from..." pages look more like Cairo than Park Ridge.


 * As for red linked people with no article, delete, delete, delete. My standard edit summary for such deletes reads: "removing non-notable. Notability should be established with their own Wikipedia page, WP:USCITY" -- D kriegls  ( talk to me! ) 01:31, 11 August 2012 (UTC)

Hello. I created a "List of people from..." page for Sherman, Texas and it turned out nicely. Thank you for the suggestion. I have also become more bold in deleting red linked people in the notable people section. Thanks again.--BuzyBody (talk) 22:18, 11 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Looks good. Just a few minor changes I made. Check them out under history so you know for the next article. -- D kriegls  ( talk to me! ) 20:02, 12 August 2012 (UTC)

Your changes definitely make the page better. Thank you!--BuzyBody (talk) 01:16, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

i recieved a message from wikipedia?
How did i recieve a message from Wikipedia about my contributions? I've made a few every year for a decade or so, but this is the first time Wiki contacted me. Why have i been contacted? Kat 75.120.43.47 (talk) 01:48, 13 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Hi Kat. I am part of the Wikipedia welcoming committee and have been reaching out to anonymous users, trying to encourage them to create accounts. I mean to make invites only to people who have made edits within the last year, but occasionally make mistakes. Your last edit was in 2010 to Marion County, Alabama. Please feel free to ask me any questions you have about editing on Wikipedia. -- D kriegls  ( talk to me! ) 17:08, 13 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Sorry, i did not edit Marion County Alabama in 2010 to my recollection. But i did make an edit to a page 3 weeks ago, which i also don't recall, and deleted my cache of. 75.120.43.47 (talk) 03:23, 15 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Ah, that may be why you ended up on my radar. Well, the IP address you are using may have also been used by someone else two years ago. Anyways, welcome and feel free to ask me any questions. -- D kriegls  ( talk to me! ) 04:06, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

A question RE: your recent edit at Addison, Illinois
Hi! I think we have talked before about this, but I have ran into problems making the same type of edits on other articles and to be truthful, I do not see where it says that in WP:USCITY. I agree with you completely, but can you clarify a bit for a noob? Thanks! Gtwfan52 (talk) 05:31, 4 September 2012 (UTC)
 * See WP:USCITY, though I guess it's not totally clear to a "noob" :) Any list entry must pass WP:NOTABLITY, which means they must have a standing Wikipedia page discussing their notability. If you add a citation to the list that might clear notability, but don't have the time to create a biography page, I usually let it stand, but many other editors don't. I hope this helps --  D kriegls  ( talk to me! ) 05:42, 4 September 2012 (UTC)
 * It does! Thank you.  I remember where we talked about this before.  It was regarding some jockey from Chicago Ridge that turned out not to be.  Gtwfan52 (talk) 05:47, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

Question regarding referencing information
Hello. I am working on the page for Senoia, Georgia, and under the History section an editor has put the contact information for the Senoia Area Historical Society, including the mailing address. I have not run into this before. I know the information is important but believe it should be listed under references etc in someway, instead of in the article itself. I am not sure exactly where it should go.Please tel me what you suggest. Thanks!--BuzyBody (talk) 05:04, 5 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Looks like user:Shellph added that information back in May of this year. Hasn't been up very long and it was the only edits that editor has done. You're not likely to get much push back from deleting the encyclopedic address and moving the web address to the external links. So I went ahead and did it. -- D kriegls  ( talk to me! ) 18:45, 5 September 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for your help.. it is much appreciated..--BuzyBody (talk) 23:19, 5 September 2012 (UTC)

Almanac section on Biography Pages
Hello. On a couple of biography wiki pages I have seen an Almanac section. I am not use to seeing an Almanac section on this type of article. Two examples of this are the page for "William F. Allen" and "William Cannon". Please let me know if this is appropriate, and if so, when should it be added? Thanks.--BuzyBody (talk) 18:47, 14 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Sorry for taking a while to get back to you. Been busy. Anyways, those are supposed to be Electoral History sections. Here's Senator Dick Durbin's electoral history from my home state. There is some variation, but Almanac section should not be one of them in my opinion. -- D kriegls  ( talk to me! ) 22:28, 20 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Thank you, I changed the section titles to reflect Electoral History. I also am looking for the wiki guideline for biographies. You provided me with the link to the wiki guideline for US cities a while back and that helped tremendously. How do I find guidelines for different types of articles, including biograpies? Thanks again.. I truly appreciate your help.--BuzyBody (talk) 03:37, 22 September 2012 (UTC)
 * No problem, I am glad you appreciate my help, because I appreciate all your editing efforts. As for biography policy = Biographies of living persons, user group = WP:BIOGRAPHY, and for an outline of all pages useful to editors = Editor's index to Wikipedia -- D kriegls  ( talk to me! ) 17:55, 22 September 2012 (UTC)

Help with writing an article.
User:ticklewickleukulele/Lizzie Velásquez It is currently in my userspace. I have just started it. so don't be concerned about size. Some questions:


 * Lizzie Velasquez is a 23-year-old girl with an extremely rare, unnamed, genetic disorder. She has zero fat, must eat frequently to get energy, and has a skeletal appearance (dubbing her the world's ugliest woman). Only three other people in the world have this disease. Her motto is that beauty is not just skin deep, and that we should "stop staring, start learning". She has done a couple hundred seminars, and has recently published a book. Tell me whether or not this is significant for WP. I think it is.
 * She is definitely notable, however, I wonder if a biography is the right type of article. See my end comments for more about this


 * How do I easily cite a source twice in an article? Or, better yet, can I just put the sources at the bottom of the article, making them apply to the whole page? (I have seen this a few times, please explain.)
 * Looks like you figured this out


 * I can find about four major news sources, some smaller ones, plus her blog. Is that enough data?
 * The ABC citation is the only one you have listed that is a credible news source. But I found two more that should make her biography WP:notable: UK TelegraphAnd UK Dailymail


 * The official spelling is Velásquez (with an á) but I more commonly see Velasquez (with an a). Also, It is hard for people to type in accents on a keyboard. Which would you prefer for the article?
 * Wikipedia tends to default to native language spelling.

Please edit it regularly, invite other admins and seniors to do so, and tell me when it is ready for the mainspace. Ticklewickleukulele (talk) 02:40, 15 September 2012 (UTC)


 * '''I read that she might have something called Neonatal progeroid syndrome or possibly Neonatal progeria syndrome. A condition that does not have an article. Perhaps an article about that disorder, with her as a prominent example might be a more informative article. I found some info from the National Institutes of Health. However, I don't know if this is what she has for sure. Maybe you do. I found examples of rare medical conditions where the subject of the article was the individual instead of the disease though (e.g., Lakshmi Tatma). Doesn't mean a medical article about the disease wouldn't be more informative.

'''
 * Another important question, are you close to the subject? If so, there might be a WP:COI issue. Don't worry, if you are, just be honest and I will take of the reins because this is interesting. -- D kriegls  ( talk to me! ) 22:57, 20 September 2012 (UTC)


 * The answer to that last question is not at all. I have no relations with her. I just think that the story is interesting. Also, by native language, do you mean English (language of this WP) or Spanish (she is Mexican)? Ticklewickleukulele (talk) 01:25, 21 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Also, is there a public development space where I may temporarily move this article instead of my userspace? Will you be willing to edit it? Ticklewickleukulele (talk) 01:30, 21 September 2012 (UTC)

Please finish the article for me, add those citations, and put it into the mainspace. Ticklewickleukulele (talk) 02:21, 27 October 2012 (UTC)

Concern regarding information on article for Dick Bremer
Hi. I was editing the article on Dick Bremer and found the following listed in the article. The way it has been entered it does not show on the article in read mode. I wanted to remove the information because it does not seem to be appropriate regarding an encyclopedia article. Please tel e if I may remove it and if so, what steps/notations I should make. "| SHORT DESCRIPTION = Many viewers are fooled by the compassion Dick shows during televised games. Dick is a womanizing grease-ball who announces baseball by day and pops champagne in hot tubs at night. With a plethora of scantily dressed young women parading around his hotel room, Dick will regularly take a puff from his favorite cuban and bark orders at his female guests. He saturates his palms with gel and greases his hair back tightly, while snarling at those who challenge his impeccable style. During the broadcasts, he has been known to put his hand over the microphone and humiliate Bert to tears. The terrorizing has gotten so far out of control that Lapanta now has a restraining order in progress| DATE OF BIRTH    = March 1, 1956" Thank you--BuzyBody (talk) 22:24, 9 October 2012 (UTC)
 * That was some sneaky vandalism. I when ahead and removed it. If you see something like that again, just go to edit the whole page, and it will be toward the bottom of the page under a section called Metadata. It does not show up on the main page, but is used by computers to populate lists that this person my be on. -- D kriegls  ( talk to me! ) 22:12, 18 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Thank you. I wondered if I was suppose to report that type of vandalism in some way? In editing the page foe Princeton, Minnesota I found some inappropriate information/language listed under the notable people section. I deleted the information; it actually showed up on the main page before I removed it. Thanks again... --BuzyBody (talk) 15:09, 19 October 2012 (UTC)
 * I like to do some detective work and find out who posted it. I then look to see if they are engaged in other vandalism. If not, they can just be ignored. Most vandals only go on a one or two day vandalism spree. However, if they are regularly vandalizing, you can go to the Counter-Vandalism Unit to get more information on how to deal with repeat offenders. The vandal for the above issue only did that single act of vandalism, so I don't see any need to take any actions -- D kriegls  ( talk to me! ) 19:32, 19 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Thank you--BuzyBody (talk) 20:15, 23 October 2012 (UTC)

Editing for starters
Hi my name is John Schappler and I am a student at Clemson University. For a project we are adding/ creating to a wikipedia article and I chose to do research for Irasburg Vermont. I noticed that you have edited this article in the past and was wondering if you have any advise for finding and adding information. Thank you. Here is a link to my current work http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Johnnyschapps/sandbox — Preceding unsigned comment added by Johnnyschapps (talk • contribs) 12:38, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

Butler University Libraries - Article Denied
Dkriegls,

Josh suggested I contact you to get more insight into why the article I am trying to create for Butler University Libraries was denied and thus deleted. I took all of the content for the Wiki straight from our website homepage. Now my question is: Did I get denied because Wikipedia cannot prove I have copyright to use the information, or is it that no one can use content directly from somewhere else? So if I wanted to create the page again, I would have to write entirely original text even though it is facts straight from the source that I used?

Any and all help is great. If you need more info to answer my question(s)I can provide it. -B — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bconway2 (talk • contribs) 17:51, 24 October 2012 (UTC)


 * No problem. I can't see the original article because it was deleted, but if you copied directly from your web page and the editor who deleted it didn't leave you a comment explaining why, beyond stating there was a copyright violation, than you can assume they just looked at the web site, looked at your article, saw they were the same, and deleted it. No worries, I can take a look at it and try to help you come up with a better article that will last. Lets see what we can do. I started a page in my user space so it won't get deleted. Follow this link User:Dkriegls/Butler University Libraries and create the page there: --  D kriegls  ( talk to me! ) 22:19, 24 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Also, read up on Conflict of interest. I will help you out with this, but you should be aware that I may not have the same views of the library that you do. -- D kriegls  ( talk to me! ) 22:24, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the Barnstar
Hi. I just wanted to thank you for the Citation Barnstar - it is much appreciated! I really enjoy working on Wikipedia articles & friendly, helpful editors like you make is so much more enjoyable. Thanks again!--BuzyBody (talk) 14:48, 12 November 2012 (UTC)
 * My interactions with you and a few other new editors like Ticklewickleukulele have convinced me to spend more of my Wikipedia time defending new editors. Thanks for showing me the value of new editor outreach and the power of Assume good faith. -- D kriegls  ( talk to me! ) 04:44, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

Finish my article
I am the person from above. user:Ticklewickleukulele/Lizzie Velasquez Maybe move it into your name. Ticklewickleukulele (talk) 18:03, 12 November 2012 (UTC)
 * This is on my radar and I find the subject interesting enough, but writing a biography takes a lot of time. I might find some over the winter holidays. -- D kriegls  ( talk to me! ) 04:40, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

Need help determining possible relationship between two people
I am trying to sort something out and am not sure how to go about it. In researching the article on James Fisk (politician) I found a source, Find A Grave, that said James Fisk was the father of Willbur Fisk. I have not found this information anywhere else and Willbur Fisk's Wikipedia article shows that his father is the Honorable Isaiah Fisk but there are no sources cited. I left a note on the talk pages of both articles to see if another editor had more information but I wanted to run it by you to see what ideas you may have. As always, I really appreciate your help! Thank you..--BuzyBody (talk) 17:50, 16 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Hi. I wondered if you had gotten a chance to look at this and give me some ideas on how to proceed? Thanks again.--BuzyBody (talk) 22:24, 28 December 2012 (UTC)

Talkback
SudoGhost 07:32, 1 December 2012 (UTC)