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Precious
--Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:54, 25 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks very much! Dmass (talk) 07:32, 25 April 2016 (UTC)


 * A year ago, you were recipient no. 1364 of Precious, a prize of QAI! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:05, 25 April 2017 (UTC)


 * Two years now! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:23, 25 April 2018 (UTC)


 * Thank you, Gerda. Very much appreciated!


 * Three years now! - All the best for the article! - I can't go to the review, sorry, still hurts too much. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:34, 25 April 2019 (UTC)


 * Thank you, Gerda. Dmass (talk) 18:59, 28 April 2019 (UTC)


 * ... and four --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:13, 25 April 2020 (UTC)

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The Rite of Spring?
In Pierre Boulez, you changed Le Sacre to The Rite of Spring, "for consistency". I am rather sure that - for a performance in France - that's wrong. When I write about an opera singer, I use different opera titles when she sang in the same opera once in German, once in Italian, both piped to the same English article. - Good luck with the GA nom. Meeting Boulez briefly was among the moments in life to be remembered. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:37, 30 April 2018 (UTC)


 * Thanks, Gerda. I take your point but I think it's slightly different when an opera is sung in another language. I can't see that it's wrong to use Rite of Spring in an article in English (after all, that's the title of the Wikipedia article on the piece). Thanks very much for your good wishes, though. Dmass (talk) 10:35, 30 April 2018 (UTC)

René Leibowitz
A plague on you and Boulez! Having been obliged to consult the WP article on Leibowitz I find it is seriously inaccurate and needs a good bit of work, which I am busy gathering material for, though I really ought to be working on a non-WP project—blast you, Pierre and René! But best wishes,  Tim riley  talk    17:42, 4 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Sorry about that! He seems to have been a strange character. Reminds me a bit of Robert Craft, another 'follower' whose relationship with the truth was fairly casual. Dmass (talk) 20:34, 4 May 2018 (UTC)
 * He seems to have been a good chap, just the same: "Nous préférons quant à nous évoquer, pour ceux qui l'ont connu, son affabilité, sa simplicité, son goût aussi de l'amitié dans le travail..." Not sure if anyone said such a thing about R. Craft.  Tim riley  talk    20:52, 4 May 2018 (UTC)
 * That's interesting - and certainly chimes with the fact that he seems not to have charged his pupils. I'm sure my view is affected by the fact that Boulez never missed an opportunity to speak ill of him. I keep meaning to do some work on the Craft article, which omits any reference to the controversies. I came across an extraordinary example a while back of an interview Craft invented in which he 'quoted' Stravinsky discoursing on the virtues of euthanasia at a time when (we now know) he was on his death bed and incapable of communication. Dmass (talk) 21:09, 4 May 2018 (UTC)
 * I've done a quick and inelegant research-and-revise job. There's a lot more could be done, and I have a fair bit more in my notes from a morning at the BL, but I think it will pass for now, but please look in and amend ad lib. The PB review proceeds steadily I see. Excellent!  Tim riley  talk    18:01, 9 May 2018 (UTC)
 * I looked at it yesterday and couldn't believe how much you'd achieved in such a short time. Yes, I'm plodding away at PB. Sadly, work is busy this week and next, so it's going more slowly than I'd like. But we'll get there! Dmass (talk) 20:10, 9 May 2018 (UTC)

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Debussy
I meant to say that in addition to any comments you wish to add on the peer review page, I hope you won't think politesse prevents you from wading in and changing, adding and deleting to the article itself. I'm only overhauling it because I think it needs it, and not because I fancy myself as any kind of expert on Debussy. (Fauré and Ravel, perhaps (ish), but not Debussy.) I suspect − indeed, I'm certain − you know more about Debussy than I do, so please edit ad lib.  Tim riley  talk    18:35, 23 May 2018 (UTC)
 * I must say I'm quite enjoying being a back-seat driver! But yes I'm more than happy to chip in. Work is a bit full-on at the moment so for the time being I'm probably best just tweaking when I can and urging you on. But I've just ordered the new Stephen Walsh book so I will try and make some more significant contributions as I read it. I know my way round the music pretty well, but it's a while since I read about the life. Dmass (talk) 21:22, 23 May 2018 (UTC)

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Debussy's influence
Good evening! I'm looking for help if you have time and inclination. Two editors whom I greatly respect have said that the existing simple list of later composers influenced by Debussy isn't an adequate way of addressing the matter, and that we need instead to give a few major examples and details. I agree, but I am, to be frank, struggling to find a source for a reasonably concise overview of his influence. Any help, whether in writing or just pointing me to sources, will attract my deep gratitude. –  Tim riley  talk    18:34, 31 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Good evening! Funnily enough a big chunk of work has suddenly gone away and I have some time off tomorrow, so to reward myself I was going to continue going through your Debussy article. I'll gladly have a look at the question of his influences on other composers. I think I can see what you (and others) are after and will certainly have a go, it shouldn't be too difficult. Dmass (talk) 18:42, 31 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Bless you! I hope the chunk of work that's gone away doesn't cost you big bucks, but I am selfishly delighted that you have some time for CD.  Tim riley  talk    18:59, 31 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Put it this way: I'm time-rich... Dmass (talk) 19:26, 31 May 2018 (UTC)

I've said on the PR page how grateful I am for your input, and I want to say it again here. I am enormously indebted to you, and send you my warmest thanks.  Tim riley  talk    13:33, 2 June 2018 (UTC)
 * My pleasure. I'm sure it can be improved on (in fact already has been). I'll continue my work-through of the rest of the article when I can. I'm pleased to see you've trimmed the music examples, by the way. Dmass (talk) 15:21, 2 June 2018 (UTC)

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Pierre Boulez Saal in Berlin
I understand "too many pictures", but that is an unusual place, with the music in the centre and only a few rows for the audience around it (they switch position of the performers after intermission, DYK?) which is much easier to be seen than described. It's also the Palestine-Israel idea behind it, and the architecture, that - I think - deserve a bit extra attention. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:48, 12 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Understood, but two pictures in one short section is too many and, as you pointed out, that image is difficult to combine with the other one. My preference is to stay with the Paris image, mostly because it is the better photograph. But, if you feel strongly about it, I will delete the Paris image and replace it with the Berlin image. For me it's either/or. Dmass (talk) 07:53, 12 June 2018 (UTC)
 * I don't feel strongly about it, - just ideas to be considered. - I may think about combining, but have little time right now. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:08, 12 June 2018 (UTC)
 * ps: I'll also check some pics I made. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:09, 12 June 2018 (UTC)

Debussy
Encouraged by the superb input at and prompted by the peer review, I propose to take Debussy to FAC shortly. I am going to ask Smerus to join me as co-nominator if he is inclined, and I am hereby asking you the same thing. You won't be eligible to comment at the FAC having contributed significantly to the article (bless you!) and serving as co-pilot will be useful rehearsal for taking M. Boulez to FAC in due course, which I shall make you do, at gunpoint if necessary. FAC is a leisurely, not to say protracted process, so can be fitted in around your other commitments. Pray ponder.  Tim riley  talk    13:36, 13 June 2018 (UTC)


 * I'd be pleased to help! On the subject of PB, I don't know if you've clocked that I've cut about 2000 words over the last few days. If you could spare five mins at some point, I'd be really grateful if you could have a quick look and see if you think it's now more proportionate. I'm struggling to find any more spare flesh and (cheekily) wonder whether PB might be entitled to 1000 more words than BB, given that he did live twenty-five years longer... But I await your verdict. Dmass (talk) 16:23, 13 June 2018 (UTC)


 * How absolutely splendid! I expected to get the soldier's farewell from both you and Smerus, but no! I'm chuffed. No, I hadn't clocked your pruning chez Boulez, and will be glad to look in with critical eye tomorrow.  Tim riley  talk    20:59, 13 June 2018 (UTC)

Boulez
I have gone carefully through your revised text and I think you have done splendidly in trimming without leaving visible holes. It all coheres well. 11,400 words, unfortunately, would now be the longest FA composer article, as Tchaikovsky's has been radically pruned from its longest version of 12,600 to 8,000 now. Certain of our colleagues will gripe at 11,400, though others don't object to such length. Anyway, just 800 words longer than Britten? And so many years more to record. I think you can defend this length.  Tim riley  talk    16:25, 15 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks, Tim, that's encouraging. I'll leave it for the time being (but keep pruning when I spot any remaining low hanging fruit). Meanwhile, on with CD! Dmass (talk) 21:48, 15 June 2018 (UTC)

DYK for Pierre Boulez
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Thank you! For and the album ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:28, 23 June 2018 (UTC)

FA
I see Debussy has been promoted to FA. My thanks and congratulations: having two such excellent co-nominators has made the process a lot easier than usual, and I'm hugely grateful. Very best wishes,  Tim riley  talk   16:38, 9 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks for letting me know, Tim (sorry for not getting back sooner, I've been away for a few days). Many congratulations to you for taking the lead on this and doing the lion's share of the work. It's gone in a very short time from shambles to FA. And thanks also for involving me in the process, which was very good experience. All the best, Dmass (talk) 06:08, 11 July 2018 (UTC)
 * I deduced that you were away (successfully so, I hope). You can see what's coming now ... but I won't nag too much – yet – about getting PB to FAC, having got your line and length with Debussy.  Tim riley  talk   10:05, 11 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Don't worry, it will come–the readiness is all.... Dmass (talk) 21:24, 11 July 2018 (UTC)

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Another French composer
Greetings! If you have time and disposition you may like to look in at the peer review of Hector Berlioz. (Quite understand if you are too busy, naturally.)  Tim riley  talk   09:34, 19 October 2018 (UTC)

Gathering of ne'er-do-wells
If, perchance, you are around on 7th January there will be a small gathering of disreputable Wikipedians at my flat in Islington. Pray email me if you are minded to join us. And whether or no, Happy Christmas and Merry New Year, dear Dmass!  Tim riley  talk   19:42, 24 December 2018 (UTC)

2019


Die Zeit, die Tag und Jahre macht

Happy 2019 -

begin it with music and memories

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:04, 1 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Thank you, Gerda - and Happy New Year to you! Dmass (talk) 08:55, 2 January 2019 (UTC)

Mendicité flagrante
I know G&S isn't your thing, and so I don't imagine Offenbach is either. But Leibowitz conducted the first complete recording of Orphée aux enfers and I have that opera up at FAC if you care to look in. I also know you are often busy, and I'll entirely understand if you can't look in. Best,  Tim riley  talk   09:17, 15 May 2019 (UTC)

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Query
Dmass, I don't think we've have the pleasure, but I've been familiar with your admirable work on Boulez for sometime now. I wanted to ask, do you have any plans to bring other composers to GA/FA in the future? There are quite a few major late 20th century and 21st century composers who've not gotten the attention they deserve, and I know your touch would be beneficial. No pressure at all!—I'm just curious. Best –  Aza24  (talk)   17:58, 24 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Thank you for getting in touch and for your kind comments. Unfortunately the time I have for Wikipedia is rather limited because of work. My main focus has always been on the Boulez article, which was in a bad state when he died. I’m aiming to take it to FA at some point, certainly in time for his centenary in 2025. Other than I sometimes help out friends who have articles on the go. Were you thinking of working on a particular composer? If so, I’d be glad to help out. I agree there are plenty of deserving subjects! Dmass (talk) 06:30, 25 July 2022 (UTC)


 * I will be sure to keep an eye out for the Boulez FAC! I'm not a huge fan of his music, but have immense admiration for his tireless—although selective...—support of classical music. I have been thinking about either Schnittke or Dutilleux, but leaning towards the latter. I probably wouldn't begin this for a few months at the earliest, as I am still rewriting Josquin for FAR and have some other pending projects to focus on first. You are welcome to help!—its seems fitting to try and add to Wikipedia's oeuvre of major French composer GAs/FAs (and otherwise well-developed articles).  Aza24  (talk)   17:28, 25 July 2022 (UTC)
 * I hope you choose Dutilleux! Feel free to get in touch if you need some support.
 * ‘Tireless but selective’ could almost have been Boulez’s motto…. Dmass (talk) 17:43, 25 July 2022 (UTC)

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Boulez
I notice there has been more than minor editing on your part recently. Would it be wishful thinking on my part to hope that PB might be entering the lists, where he jolly well ought to be, at FAC? No pressure of course (he said mendaciously). Meanwhile, Happy New Year in any case.  Tim riley  talk   19:57, 30 December 2022 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

 * Thanks so much! And thanks for your constructive approach to the problem. Eventually I’m going to be putting it up for FA. It would be great if you had time to look in on that process. Dmass (talk) 06:20, 6 March 2023 (UTC)
 * If you ping me when you nominate, I'll do my best to take a look Eddie891 Talk Work 20:52, 7 March 2023 (UTC)

Precious anniversary
--Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:36, 25 April 2023 (UTC)

My story today is about Michael Robinson, - it's an honour to have known him. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:13, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

You removed an ill link citing a project discussion, - which discussion of which project please? - For composers by name, an ill link provides notability, and to my understanding, it establishes the same in other articles. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:28, 15 December 2023 (UTC)


 * The only link I removed was to Celestin Deliege because it was to a French page. Dmass (talk) 13:30, 15 December 2023 (UTC)
 * That is the one I added, so please again, per which project discussion? An interlanguage link provides access to the foreign page, for those who know the language to read there, and for others at least the information that the subject is notable in a different language. - I updated my picture diary to 3 December (with my shadow in one of them), and picked a story about Beethoven in memory of his birth. When the arbitrator who wrote the 2013 infoboxes case - in 2015! - I hoped these infobox wars were over, really. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:54, 16 December 2023 (UTC)
 * I’m sorry, Gerda, but you’ve lost me. I don’t know what you mean by ‘a project discussion’. I just removed it because I thought it made it look like the link was a mistake/makes the article look unfinished (as I mentioned before). If you’d like to revert the change, that’s fine. Forgive me, but I’m afraid I don’t understand what you’re referring to in the second half of your post. Dmass (talk) 07:42, 17 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Ah, I think I've just worked out what you mean. When I removed the link I put 'removed link to French website, see discussion on project page' in the edit explanation. By 'project page' I meant the Boulez FAC project page. And by 'discussion' I meant the discussion. that you and I had about the Yvette Grimaud link. Dmass (talk) 07:53, 17 December 2023 (UTC)
 * I think I get it now, - will look, but have a Sunday with great events in real life, including Aida, - see today's story. Grimaud and Deliege will have a proper English link by the time Boulez gets to the Main page, promised. Probably not quite like Johanna Geisler ;) (who was a ill-link, met in the FAC for her more famous husband). --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:02, 17 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Back to work ;) - So I understand it was just the discussion between you and me? I try to be a bit more precise then, and I will use "French", but it could be any other language with a Wikipedia. Of course we should not use direct links links into the French Wikipedia because they mean confusion for a reader using a screenreader. A simple red link is a mixed blessing. An interlanguage links, however, seems to have only advantages, for me at least:
 * An ill link supplies easy access to a French article, indicating at the same time that it is missing in English.
 * Someone knowing French can read there by one click, instead of a search on the internet.
 * Someone contemplating to translate into English has easy access to the material, instead of having to search.
 * Someone not knowing French is told that the subject is notable in French.
 * The red link shows blue as soon as an article in English is written.
 * The red link will even be formatted into a blue link by a bot.
 * I understand that the disadvantages you see are:
 * It looks like the link was a mistake.
 * I makes the article look unfinished.
 * I believe that the accessibility won by the link is worth it, even if some (but who?) may think it's a mistake, or looks unfinished. Wikipedia is a work in progress, and nothing will ever be finished ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:54, 18 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks for explaining, Gerda. I can't say I feel strongly about it. If you'd like to restore the links, by all means do so. Dmass (talk) 14:25, 18 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you. I won't restore, because I am on a rather strict voluntary 1RR restriction. Some day I'll create the articles ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:42, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

Today, I have a special story to tell, of the works of a musician born 300 years ago. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:51, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

Christmas music pictured --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:34, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

I try to finish uploading images of 2023 before it ends, and reached 17 December. Happy to see Rebekka Habermas on the Main page. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:31, 29 December 2023 (UTC)

Errant full stop
Can you kindly tell me where in Boulez's catalogue Le Point errant is to be found? And are we, mayhap, getting any nearer to seeing the article up for FAC? Not that I'm nagging or anything. Thine,  Tim riley  talk   19:17, 13 May 2023 (UTC)


 * An early work (withdrawn) for four marimbas, ondes martenot and tape. No, no nearer I'm afraid. Still waiting for that week off which doesn't get overtaken by work. It will happen though. Keep nagging! Dmass (talk) 10:39, 15 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Seconding Tim... a Boulez FAC would be so wonderful... I'd love to help in preparation, there seem to be some formatting matters that could be cleaned up. By the way Dmass, we had spoken about WP's poor contemporary composer coverage, I'm happy to say I just submitted Ned Rorem to GAN. Quite the opposite figure from Pierre! –  Aza24  (talk)   06:52, 17 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the encouragement. I'll definitely take you up on your kind offer! Well done on taking up Ned Rorem. I have to admit I enjoy his writing more than his music (although I keep trying). A really interesting figure. Dmass (talk) 08:47, 21 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Aza24, I detect further editorial actions on the Boulez article by Dmass today. If you creep round the back to his left and I creep likewise to his right we could get a double armlock on him and propel him with vigour into FAC. Pray ponder.  Tim riley  talk   15:41, 6 August 2023 (UTC)
 * It will happen! The readiness is all. Dmass (talk) 15:58, 6 August 2023 (UTC)
 * I will try endeavor to take a closer look soon... FAC is begging for the Boulez's admittance, which would be landmark for WP's contemporary classical coverage!  Aza24  (talk)   03:24, 7 August 2023 (UTC)


 * I'll be along to review PB shortly - I need to sort out a couple of other reviews first, but I'll certainly be there! Cheers - SchroCat (talk)
 * Thanks so much, I really appreciate it!Dmass (talk) 11:23, 14 November 2023 (UTC)

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 * Thank you, SchroCat. I hope you have a great Christmas and New Year too! All the best - Dmass (talk) 09:49, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

2024


Die Zeit, die Tag und Jahre macht

Happy New Year

2024

Like 2019, remember? -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:39, 1 January 2024 (UTC)


 * Happy New Year, Gerda Arendt! Dmass (talk) 07:17, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Thank you! - The 2023 picture is from the Abel Fest in Köthen, celebrating the tercentenary of Carl Friedrich Abel, a viol virtuoso, composer and concert organiser in London (together with Bach's youngest son), born on 22 December 1723 in Köthen, where the new catalogue of his works was introduced, - my story today. - I had forgotten that Boulez died 5 January, but will remember that it was close to Nikolaus Harnoncourt and my father. Good timing, that FA. Thank you also for the article about the pianist! I wrote Ainsi parla Zarathoustra (Boulez) as a tribute, DYK? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:40, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Boulez was requested for TFA on 26 March 2025 a while ago (not by me, but I watched it). Perhaps watch that page, WP:TFARP. For my story today I found that Shostakovitch's Symphony No. 15 was premiered on 8 January, and was pleased to see the composer's image also on the Main page. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:26, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks, Gerda! Dmass (talk) 17:20, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
 * On the Main page: the person who made the pictured festival possible --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:24, 16 January 2024 (UTC)


 * Yesterday was a friend's birthday, with related music. - I'm on vacation - see places. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:44, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

Promotion of Pierre Boulez
Hi Dmass, Congratulations on getting Boulez through - much deserved, given the standard of the prose. Cheers - SchroCat (talk) 17:33, 3 January 2024 (UTC)


 * Thanks so much, SchroCat, and for all your help at various stages. All the best. Dmass (talk) 17:46, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
 * How on earth I missed the article's elevation six days ago I simply can't imagine – my belated congratulations. You've done a wonderful job, and I'm truly thrilled to see PB join the other French FA composers. May I pass on some advice given to me years ago by my mentor, Brian Boulton? On the day when the article is featured on the front page, retreat to bed and pull the duvet over your head till the following day. Only then venture back and clean up the well- or ill-meant changes by ninnies and vandals.  Tim riley  talk   15:47, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks, Tim! And thanks again for your invaluable help and mentorship throughout. Sounds like sound advice about the front page - although I'm rather hoping that day might be postponed to the centenary of his birth in March 2025 (I've just dropped Gog the Mild a line...). I'm now enjoying the post-FA lull and thinking about what might be next. Something very small and specialised, I think. Dmass (talk) 15:56, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Some, like Brian Boulton and SchroCat, generally go in for big articles destined for FA, but in addition to that I find much satisfaction in running up short articles on things that take my fancy. At 270 words I don't think this will be up for FAC at any point, but I enjoyed writing it the other day.   Tim riley  talk   16:27, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Perfect, that's exactly the sort of thing I had in mind! Dmass (talk) 17:19, 8 January 2024 (UTC)


 * Good luck with that plan ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:35, 25 April 2024 (UTC)

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