User talk:Doc James/Archive 116

Question
I'm contemplating whether or not to challenge a recent close primarily because it makes WP appear to be psychoanalyzing a BLP and citing the analysis to opinions of pundits and journalists. There's even an Analysis section in the article which defies everything I've learned about BLP, NPOV, content forks, MEDRS, and so on. I would appreciate your input, and believe me, I realize the depth of the controversy surrounding this particular BLP, and how difficult it is to be neutral but I trust your judgement and respect your opinion, especially when it involves medical issues and doing what you believe is right for WP. Atsme 📞📧 01:43, 8 August 2017 (UTC)
 * User:Atsme just about to head for Wikimania. Not sure what to recommend. Doc James  (talk · contribs · email) 04:46, 8 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Doc, I didn't want to pre-empt you on your own talkpage; Atsme and I have been conversing on her talkpage. ☆ Bri (talk) 05:30, 8 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks User:Bri sounds good. Doc James  (talk · contribs · email) 13:51, 8 August 2017 (UTC)

Lorazepam
Hi there! I hope you're doing well :) I see that you have reversed the changes I've made on the Ativan/Lorazepam page and now I'm a little confused. Yes, I did check the ref and I also have another ref about its onset of action (http://www.vhpharmsci.com/vhformulary/tools/benzodiazepines-comparison.htm). That chart, if you really are a physician, should be in one of your books. I got surprised when I saw that my family Doctor had the exact same chart in his book. Also, I cannot prove that, but my family Doctor checked for the duration of action of Ativan/Lorazepam in the program he uses on his computer to manage his patients' drugs and it turns out Ativan/Lorazepam has a duration of action of 6 to 8 hours. The pharmacist told me the same exact information. You do live in Canada, right? If so, you might know the pharmacy Jean-Coutu. I got the info from them, for both the sublingual form and oral form. I used them both myself, by the way. Thank you for your help! :) Royerlraph79 (talk) 14:38, 9 August 2017 (UTC)
 * User:Royerlraph79 there is a ref attached to the statement on EN WP. The duration of action of lorazemapan depends in part on for what purpose it is used from my understanding. Doc James  (talk · contribs · email) 04:23, 10 August 2017 (UTC)

An edit..
Any comment about this edit? Does these type of reviews stay in or out of a WP article? Winged Blades Godric 05:05, 11 August 2017 (UTC)
 * I am not sure. It is not really my area of expertise. Discussion on the talk page would be useful. I think these details are useful but happy to go with consensus. Doc James  (talk · contribs · email) 14:10, 11 August 2017 (UTC)

Osteonecrosis of the jaw
Hey there! Had a question, and who else to ask? So I noticed a redlink on the page pointing to Trigeminal neuropathy. I was curious, is that terribly different from Trigeminal neuralgia? I ask because Google autocorrects it to the latter. Anywho, any feedback would be appreciated. Oh, and congrats on Vancouver Sun write up! Drewmutt ( ^ᴥ^ ) talk  03:16, 11 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Doc James is away, I'm certain he'll respond ASAP(BTW )--Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 11:50, 11 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Appears to be different conditions. Would need to look more closely to determine if they can reasonably be dealt with within the same article. Doc James  (talk · contribs · email) 14:13, 11 August 2017 (UTC)

Status of Orangemoody
This is probably dumb to ask, but what is the technical status of Orangemoody? Banned? Just blocked? I was surprised not to find them at the WMF ban list. ☆ Bri (talk) 02:03, 11 August 2017 (UTC)
 * That is an excellent question. User:Risker are they community banned? Doc James  (talk · contribs · email) 14:14, 11 August 2017 (UTC)
 * My understanding was that they were certainly community banned here, based on the way that the discussion on AN back in the day. The edits were all on this project, to my knowledge, so it would be unlikely they are meta-banned.  Risker (talk) 14:27, 11 August 2017 (UTC)
 * It's funny, because I went back through AN (ex. the initial post) and couldn't find an explicit ban. Neither is banning mentioned on the LTA page. ☆ Bri (talk) 16:24, 11 August 2017 (UTC)

Facto Post – Issue 3 – 11 August 2017
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Wikimania report
Interviewed by Facto Post at the hackathon, Lydia Pintscher of Wikidata said that the most significant recent development is that Wikidata now accounts for one third of Wikimedia edits. And the essential growth of human editing. Impressive development work on Internet-in-a-Box featured in the WikiMedFoundation annual conference on Thursday. Hardware is Raspberry Pi, running Linux and the Kiwix browser. It can operate as a wifi hotspot and support a local intranet in parts of the world lacking phone signal. The medical use case is for those delivering care, who have smartphones but have to function in clinics in just such areas with few reference resources. Wikipedia medical content can be served to their phones, and power supplied by standard lithium battery packages.

Yesterday Katherine Maher unveiled the draft Wikimedia 2030 strategy, featuring a picturesque metaphor, "roads, bridges and villages". Here "bridges" could do with illustration. Perhaps it stands for engineering round or over the obstacles to progress down the obvious highways. Internet-in-a-Box would then do fine as an example.

"Bridging the gap" explains a take on that same metaphor, with its human component. If you are at Wikimania, come talk to WikiFactMine at its stall in the Community Village, just by the 3D-printed display for Bassel Khartabil; come hear talk at 3 pm today in Drummond West, Level 3.

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Vitamin B3
Hi Doc James, thanks for your attention on Vitamin B3 complex. Can you please help with the real issue, which is that the article doesn't help lay people who are going there and looking for information about the human essential micronutrient? Please see the talk page. I have tried to attract attention from microbiology experts but no one has responded. Donama (talk) 00:56, 14 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Replied on the talk page. Doc James  (talk · contribs · email) 13:05, 14 August 2017 (UTC)

Deletion of Bharat Bijlee page
Hi,

I'm a part of the Corporate Communications team at Bharat Bijlee, an India based electrical engineering company. We are a 70 years old company that manufactures transformers, motors and drives for power sector and industrial automation. We are publicly listed on the Bombay Stock Exchange (BSE) - http://www.bseindia.com/stock-share-price/bharat-bijlee-ltd/bbl/503960/ - and the National Stock Exchange - https://nseindia.com/live_market/dynaContent/live_watch/get_quote/GetQuote.jsp?symbol=BBL.

We created our Wiki page in 2013. Our Wiki page was brought down in Oct 2016 due to various reasons, primarily the use of promotional language. We re-edited the page several times to make it completely factual and to-the-point. It was active for about 5 months and it has again been brought down ten days ago.

I need a Wiki editor to help me understand how one can get a company page active on a sustainable basis. Look forward to your response.

Regards, Gayatri Hingorani Senior Manager Corporate Communications

Bharat Bijlee Limited Electric Mansion 6th Floor Appasaheb Marathe Marg Prabahadevi Mumbai 400025 Tel: +91 22 2430 6237 Mob: +91 98206 09486 CIN: L31300MH1946PLC005017 www.bharatbijlee.com
 * Have requested the opinion of User:DGG Doc James  (talk · contribs · email) 13:08, 14 August 2017 (UTC)


 * the content that has been written is an advertisement, including phrases like "the spirit that would guide and propel future success was inherent in all decisions taken this point on, and no references at all were provided. The first step will be to find substantial references in major news sources that are written independently of the company, and which are more than just announcements or press releases or routine coverage of routine events. Then write a purely objective article in Draft space. Include nothing copied from the we site or other publication--and add nothing that would be more suitable for the company web site.  The company is sufficient large that it may be possible to find the references. Please take note, however, that most content about businesses in mostIndian newspapers is basically slightly rewritten  press releases, and therefore not sufficiently independent.  DGG ( talk ) 14:55, 14 August 2017 (UTC)

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would appreciate your opinion
,thanks--Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 21:18, 16 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Not seeing much. Doc James  (talk · contribs · email) 21:23, 16 August 2017 (UTC)

Heading
Greetings, You reverted my addition of a link to (Hypoglycemia Support Foundation) hypoglycemia.org to the hypoglycemia page with the rationale "not needed." The Hypoglycemia Support Foundation is 37 years old, the longest standing, if not only patient advocacy site for education about hypoglycemia. Why isn't this an important perspective / reference to include? Thanks, Wolfram — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wolframald (talk • contribs) 04:40, 17 August 2017 (UTC)
 * What is your relationship to the org? Also we do not typically add these types of links. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 06:40, 17 August 2017 (UTC)

Dry eye syndrome and contact lenses
Hi, I understand that you have rejected my changes in Wikipedia because I don't seem to use the correct sources. In this case, you reverted my edits to Dry eye syndrome and said "The syndrome is not cause by contact lens? Which ref supports this?" However, I believe that adding contact lenses as a cause of dry eye syndrome is valid. In fact, I was simply adding it to the introduction. Contact lenses are already mentioned throughout the page as a cause of dry eyes, with sources as well. If you still believe that contact lenses are not one of the causes of dry eye syndrome, please refer to the 2nd paragraph here under "Additional causes" and additionally references 25, 26, and 27 on that page. To answer your question, the "ref[s] [that] support this" are the article itself and the references already cited. Thank you. Rajiv Shah (talk) 20:21, 18 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Have added it back with the ref and removed a number of primary sources from the body. Doc James  (talk · contribs · email) 03:31, 20 August 2017 (UTC)

References in the infobox
When references are defined in the infobox, as for example in Anterior cruciate ligament injury — the content translation tool does not pick them up. Instead it spits out the text completely without references, or with empty references.

It also causes issues when viewing the article in the visual editor. If we could define references in the text that would solve these issues for now. Carl Fredrik talk 20:11, 18 August 2017 (UTC)
 * User:Aaharoni-WMF can we get this fixed? We have about 500 of the most viewed med articles with refs in the infoboxes. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 03:39, 20 August 2017 (UTC)

What do you have in mind?
Hi there. You left a note on my talk page about good reference sources for medical info. Which of my references do you object to, and why?

Thanks, HandsomeMrToad (talk) 23:27, 16 August 2017 (UTC)
 * This edit Doc James  (talk · contribs · email) 07:24, 17 August 2017 (UTC)


 * I see. Well, I'm having difficulty finding an internet source for the fact that the hunger never goes away, precisely because all the sources assume the reader takes this for granted (or maybe, because the sources assume it's part of the meaning of "incurable").  But I see you are comfortable with me having just inserted "Beginning in childhood" (rather than just "In childhood") into the sentence, so let's leave it there.


 * But I'm curious, why do you prefer "person" over "patient"? "Patient" is Latin for "one who suffers", and almost nobody suffers worse, or longer, than a Prader-Willi patient.  Prader-Willi patients also see doctors more than almost anyone, for all their different ailments, and, get hospitalized a lot.  So "patient" seems entirely appropriate!  If you really prefer "person", I won't insist, it doesn't really make much difference to me, but I AM curious to know why you feel so strongly about this!  Please advise.


 * Best wishes, HandsomeMrToad (talk) 14:10, 17 August 2017 (UTC)
 * We use person per WP:MEDMOS. It is too make WP less clinical and less Latin. Best Doc James  (talk · contribs · email) 03:44, 20 August 2017 (UTC)

Review Deletion Page of Dr. Mukesh Hariawala
Dear Dr. James Heilman,

I am a new Wikipedia Contributor with interest in Medical Doctors and Scientific Subjects. My maiden effort to create an extensive Wikipedia article of Dr. Mukesh Hariawala has been unfortunately flagged for deletion.

I would request you to kindly review it as a senior medical contributor. Here is a link to the article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mukesh_Hariawala and a link to the deletion discussion: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Mukesh_Hariawala

Thanks Sai P.  Saipawar4 (talk) 11:02, 18 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Would need high quality sources that supports the text and shows notability. Doc James  (talk · contribs · email) 03:49, 20 August 2017 (UTC)

"triple heart therapy"
Very briefly: is "triple heart therapy" a legit medical treatment, or this some kind of promotional language at Mukesh Hariawala? ☆ Bri (talk) 04:28, 20 August 2017 (UTC)
 * It is not a legitimate medical treatment.User:Bri Doc James  (talk · contribs · email) 04:34, 20 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Am referencing your assessment at the AfD. ☆ Bri (talk) 04:39, 20 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Okay User:Bri. While I may be the most active editor who is a physician, we have lots of great medical experts here. Doc James  (talk · contribs · email) 04:51, 20 August 2017 (UTC)
 * You've earned the #1 title in my book. Involvement in process/community and commitment to integrity of the work as a whole takes your contribution to the next level. ☆ Bri (talk) 05:00, 20 August 2017 (UTC)

Bottle, blister pack, pack, dispensary unit? Aspirin poisoning
When I read the article Aspirin poisoning, there are two issues that make me consider it non-global. Firstly, "aspirin" is pretty much only used as a generic name in the English speaking world. Alternating between "aspirin" and "acetylsalicylic acid" makes it difficult to translate. Especially since the article covers all salicylate poisonings.

The other issue is in this sentence:

The same is true here — most of the world does not provide OTC medicines in bottles, and in fact even many prescription medicines are provided in blister pack. I for one have never seen an OTC analgetic in a bottle outside the UK, US or Canada. I would have changed this wording myself, but the only alternative I can think of is "dispensary unit", which isn't very good for a lay-reader.

This may be nit-picking, and I can easily make my way around it in translation — but I'm not so sure everyone can (at least when it comes to the first point). Carl Fredrik talk 10:45, 20 August 2017 (UTC)
 * User:CFCF lets go with package. Moved to more generic. Doc James  (talk · contribs · email) 20:15, 20 August 2017 (UTC)

Penicillamine
Honorable mr. Doc James They deal closely with the topic of penicillinamine. My friends, from third world, asked me - whether this D-penicillin is possible from another penicillin (amoxicilin, ampicillin, ...). Like the? To boil? With the cooking salt or with icing? Metéalcaptase is too expensive for Africa, yes, meddling. And these dictators "ala Assad" use methyl mercury already because of a pickle! I and my friends thank you in advance. Sincerely.Etudiant35467798 (talk) 16:38, 22 August 2017 (UTC)
 * You mean Penicillamine? I know very little about how to make medications. Doc James  (talk · contribs · email) 17:15, 22 August 2017 (UTC)

Participate our study to help recruit editors for WPMED?
Hi Doc James,

Thank you for your suggestions about our study, and we have made some improvement based on feedbacks we received from other WikiProjects as well. I wonder if you'd like to participate our study, and recruit editors we recommend for your project? Please let me know, and please check my user talk page for participation. Thanks! Bobo.03 (talk) 16:42, 20 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks and added self. Doc James  (talk · contribs · email) 17:38, 22 August 2017 (UTC)

Very medical ticket
2017082210020588 if you get a moment.

(As an aside it was great to see you in Montréal. The some very exciting things going on and you seem to be in the middle of a lot of them. Keep up the good work)-- S Philbrick (Talk)  20:50, 22 August 2017 (UTC)

Your Suggestion on Updating Links?
Hi there,

I saw that you recently requested not to add "spammy links" on the naloxone page and dismissed the updates to correct the information listed. The rationale for adding the link was due to the broken link to the FDA website that was previously shown. Also, the current information on the developer of the auto-injector is incorrect, as shown in the press release link (it was not developed by Lightlake, it was developed by kaleo).

Can you please inform me of why you felt this link was spammy so that appropriate links are included in the future? I've pasted the link here for reference:

Thanks so much for your feedback. Jyoung5087 (talk) 20:29, 22 August 2017 (UTC)JYoung5087
 * Please read WP:MEDRS User:Jyoung5087. A deadlink is better than a spam link. Doc James  (talk · contribs · email) 06:28, 23 August 2017 (UTC)

Osmosis (company) thoughts
As you are listed at Osmosis, I thought I would ping your thoughts as to whether the company is actually notable. TonyBallioni (talk) 20:10, 23 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Not that much for sourcing currently. Doc James  (talk · contribs · email) 22:03, 23 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks, James. I've PRODed it. All the best. TonyBallioni (talk) 02:09, 24 August 2017 (UTC)

Recommended dietary intake or Dietary reference intake?
I noticed that for vitamin B12, but not for any of the other vitamins or essential minerals, you changed the section title from Dietary reference intake to Recommended dietary intake. I prefer Dietary Reference Intake (DRI), as it is an official IOM term encompassing EARs, RDAs AIs and ULs. "Recommended dietary intake" has no official use, and also may confuse people who are thinking Recommended Dietary Allowance. David notMD (talk) 02:25, 27 August 2017 (UTC)
 * User:David notMD that section does not just discuss the US RDA but also discusses EU recommendations (as it should). Thus changing it to more of a descriptive title from a title associated with one country IMO is a good idea. Doc James  (talk · contribs · email) 07:01, 27 August 2017 (UTC)
 * I would still prefer an actual term(s) versus an arbitrary even though I agree the content should not be U.S.-centric. At the moment, the sections in question for vitamins and essential minerals have the DRI components (EAR, RDA, AI and UL, plus Daily Value, which is not part of DRI. For European Union, the sections contain only UL. If the sections need full parity for EU, the overview term is Dietary Reference Value, with components being Population Reference Intake (PRI), Average Requirement (AR), Adequate Intake (AI) and UL. Descriptions and amounts at: https://www.efsa.europa.eu/sites/default/files/assets/DRV_Summary_tables_jan_17.pdf. The document does not include ULs, so that still needs the separate EFSA reference.


 * I can see a case being made for "Dietary recommendations" as a section title. By being only two words it would avoid being mistaken for any of the three word terms. The text of these sections could be divided into separate paragraphs for United States and EU. David notMD (talk) 12:29, 27 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Happy with "Dietary recommendations" Doc James  (talk · contribs · email) 12:58, 27 August 2017 (UTC)
 * I revised vitamin B12 with a EFSA paragraph defining the terms and showing amounts. With that EFSA ref. I intend to wait a week to see if any one objects/improves, and then tackle the other vitamins and essential minerals. David notMD (talk) 01:46, 28 August 2017 (UTC)

Recommending new editors to your WPMED
Hi Doc James,

Our system generated a list of potential new editors for your project. They may be interested in collaborating with your project members to on your project's articles. As you will notice, the list contains both experienced editors and newcomers. Both are valuable for Wikipedia and your project. Please go ahead and introduce your project to them, and point them to some project tasks to start with. We also provide a template invitation message to make it easier to contact the potential new editors. Just click the invite link to write the invitation message.

We'd appreciate it if you could fill the survey to let us know what you think about our recommendations so we can improve our system.

Bobo.03 (talk) 13:32, 26 August 2017 (UTC)


 * These appear to be almost entirely false positives. Sort of interesting to see Jytdog here :-). Looie496 (talk) 14:57, 26 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Hi, I wonder if I missed anything about Jytdog? Bobo.03 (talk) 03:01, 27 August 2017 (UTC)
 * I was referring to the fact that he is already a member of the project (and among the most prolific). Looie496 (talk) 13:59, 27 August 2017 (UTC)
 * I see.. We are supposed not to recommend editors who are project members already.. I will fix the problem. Sorry about it. Bobo.03 (talk) 03:07, 28 August 2017 (UTC)
 * I would be honored to work with Doc James on any articles he needs help with. Octoberwoodland (talk) 20:35, 26 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks User:Octoberwoodland :-) Always so much work to do... Doc James  (talk · contribs · email) 12:59, 27 August 2017 (UTC)

Category and Class
Hi, I've expanded article Terence English. It was classed stub previously. How and who reviews its class and should it be in category of wikiproject medicine? Whispyhistory (talk) 17:27, 28 August 2017 (UTC)

Cervical cancer
I notice that you reverted my edit.

I think the source I used is very reliable, from a peer-reviewed reputable medical journal. Your edit hides the dire situation (5 year survival) in low income countries). The US is not representative of the global situation. Ear-phone (talk) 09:33, 29 August 2017 (UTC)
 * User:Ear-phone do you have a review that discusses the situation? Doc James  (talk · contribs · email) 09:37, 29 August 2017 (UTC)
 * “Peer-reviewed medical journals are a natural choice as a source for up-to-date medical information in Wikipedia articles. Journal articles come in many different types, and are a mixture of primary and secondary sources. It is normally best to use reviews and meta-analyses where possible.”
 * From: Identifying reliable sources (medicine). The reference I used meets the criteria as far as I can see . I do not have a review, in the absence of a review does this mean one can’t cite a peer-reviewed medical journal? Ear-phone (talk) 09:53, 29 August 2017 (UTC)
 * It says "It is normally best to use reviews and meta-analyses where possible. Reviews in particular give a balanced and general perspective of a topic, and are usually easier to understand."
 * it is look at 178 pt presenting to one cancer center. Doc James  (talk · contribs · email) 09:59, 29 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Several countries have 5 year survival rates below 50%. The source is peer-reviewed and reliable. Ear-phone (talk) 10:25, 29 August 2017 (UTC)

We have "In developing countries, specific pathologies, such as cervical cancer, demonstrate much greater prevalence and more advanced stage at diagnosis than in the developed world." from a review. Doc James  (talk · contribs · email) 10:35, 29 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Here is a good ref "Survival rates after a diagnosis of a female cancer are much lower in Africa than in Western countries.[2] The 5-year survival rates for breast and other gynecological cancers in Africa are <50% and 30%, respectively,[3] whereas the 5-year survival rates for breast and gynecological cancers in developed countries are 88% and 74%, respectively.[4] The low 5-year survival rates in Africa are mainly associated with lack of early detection programs, adequate diagnosis, and treatment facilities, resulting in a high proportion of women presenting with late-stage disease.[5]" Will add Doc James  (talk · contribs · email) 10:37, 29 August 2017 (UTC)
 * This is an even better source Doc James  (talk · contribs · email) 10:56, 29 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Ok. Thanks . Ear-phone (talk) 14:55, 29 August 2017 (UTC)