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Merry XMAS!
  "And the angel said unto them, Fear not: for, behold,  I bring you good tidings of great joy, which shall be to all people.  For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord." Luke 2:10-11 (King James Version) Ozzie10aaaa (talk) is wishing you a  Merry Christmas. This greeting (and season) promotes WikiLove. Spread the cheer by adding to their talk page with a friendly message.

--Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 14:23, 17 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks User:Ozzie10aaaa :-) Likewise. Doc James  (talk · contribs · email) 04:41, 18 December 2019 (UTC)

Fever undo
What's wrong with https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Fever&diff=931462563&oldid=930910268? This review from The New Zealand Medical Journal looks like an appropriate secondary source per MEDRS. L29Ah (talk) 07:40, 19 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Started discussion here already Doc James  (talk · contribs · email) 07:41, 19 December 2019 (UTC)

request
pleae help put in wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Alon_Kaplan important lawyer — Preceding unsigned comment added by 132.66.161.221 (talk) 09:53, 15 December 2019 (UTC)
 * really??--Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 17:07, 15 December 2019 (UTC)
 * So what? — kashmīrī  TALK  17:47, 15 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Trimmed a bunch of unreferenced stuff. Doc James  (talk · contribs · email) 18:39, 15 December 2019 (UTC)

The paid editor has a business site https://www.wiki-mentor.com/ with samples and press release and a facebook page https://facebook.com/Wiki-mentor-2123903391171447/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.253.216.99 (talk) 08:53, 19 December 2019 (UTC)
 * They have disclosed. But if you see content that is of concern feel free to add a "COI" tag. Doc James  (talk · contribs · email) 09:10, 19 December 2019 (UTC)
 * The entry Amnon Pazy is biased and doesn't have sufficient sources. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 176.12.226.68 (talk) 12:02, 19 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Feel free to edit / improve it. Doc James  (talk · contribs · email) 21:54, 19 December 2019 (UTC)

Copyright help
Thanks for spotting and fixing the copyright issues with the material I moved from senescence to Alzheimer's disease. The same editor User_talk:128.12.252.4 added a bunch more material that I moved to cellular senescence and biomarkers of aging. I was just trying to clean up a vital article within my expertise, to keep it focused on broad principles. My wikipedia editing expertise does not amount to dealing with copyright or problem editors, I edit more on scientific content. Are you able to help? Joannamasel (talk) 00:07, 21 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Looking at it more and finding more problems User:Joannamasel. This was copied "Generally, CD4 T-cells have helper, but not cytotoxic, functions under physiological conditions" But that one is under an open license so okay.
 * So a fair bit of close paraphrasing. Definitely on the edge. Doc James  (talk · contribs · email) 00:36, 21 December 2019 (UTC)

Season's Greetings
00:50, 23 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks :-) Doc James  (talk · contribs · email) 01:33, 23 December 2019 (UTC)

new technologies for schistosomiasis
Hi doc James

Your recent deletions in the schistosomiasis and schistosoma mansoni pages obscure a real problem in schistosomiasis: the need for new diagnostics beyond what we have now (what you left in the shortened version).

Shown by several recent large field trials (in which we participated), it is increasingly clear that the community needs novel testing approaches beyond what you have kept as minimum in the text, if the goals of eradication are to be accomplished. The Utzinger paper was already there, is certainly one good paper, but is cited now 5 times (a little redundant) despite the fact it is no more fully up-to-date 2019 - the field in micro-nanotech diagnostics is moving forward...

I propose that you reconsider a few of your deletions. There are also a few typos left ;-)

Greetings

Doc Pat WikiDocPat (talk) 21:27, 23 December 2019 (UTC)
 * User:WikiDocPat we are looking for high quality secondary sources that discuss those issues. Are there WHO documents or CDC documents that go into this issue? Doc James  (talk · contribs · email) 02:43, 24 December 2019 (UTC)

GoodRx
I'm still open to adding the links I was discussing at Template talk:Infobox drug in the external links section of drug articles as bulleted ELs (DePiep is blocked right now, so can't be implemented until he gets back). I don't really want to wade into the massive discussion at MOS:MED, so could you LMK when the pricing RFC is posted?  Seppi  333  (Insert 2¢) 05:17, 24 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks User Talk:Seppi333 will do. Doc James  (talk · contribs · email) 09:45, 24 December 2019 (UTC)

Take some time off ;)

 * Thanks User:Kudpung. Working but that is okay. Yes definitely lets go for a cold beer in Bangkok :-) Doc James  (talk · contribs · email) 09:56, 24 December 2019 (UTC)
 * I'm looking forward to it :) Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 09:59, 24 December 2019 (UTC)

Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year

 * User:Whispyhistory Likewise :-) Doc James  (talk · contribs · email) 02:35, 25 December 2019 (UTC)

prnano
is in the "Directory of Open Access Journals". Is official journal of european and international societies.



Open access is the explicit publication strategy of many (european) universities that are signatories of the san francisco declaration on open access.

https://doaj.org/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Francisco_Declaration_on_Research_Assessment — Preceding unsigned comment added by WikiDocPat (talk • contribs) 22:25, 24 December 2019 (UTC)


 * The ref does not support this text "Unfortunately, the price of such techniques usually precludes their use in poor environments and there is therefore an urgent need for new, sensitive, specific and inexpensive tests that fulfill the WHO's ASSURED characteristics for diagnostics of poverty diseases." Doc James  (talk · contribs · email) 02:26, 25 December 2019 (UTC)


 * Looking at it further User:WikiDocPat. Appears it will become pubmed indexed but it has simple not yet.
 * I assume you are one of the authors?
 * Okay added back some of the details. Best Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 02:39, 25 December 2019 (UTC)

Season's Greetings
Happy Holidays text.png Hello Doc James: Enjoy the holiday season, and thanks for your work to maintain, improve and expand Wikipedia. Cheers, Donner60 (talk) 08:21, 25 December 2019 (UTC)


 * Spread the WikiLove; use {{subst:Season's Greetings1}} to send this message
 * ThanksUser:Donner60 :-) Likewise. Doc James  (talk · contribs · email) 08:48, 25 December 2019 (UTC)

Near-sightedness
Was there any value in what I added? After taking a second look at the article after your changes, I suppose the article does cover the topics that I had seen mentioned in a recent newspaper article, but just not very well. I didn't know exactly how to find or document the specific studies but figured the newspaper coverage was a start.— Vchimpanzee  •  talk  •  contributions  •  18:05, 24 December 2019 (UTC)
 * User:Vchimpanzee all the details about how common near sightedness is, is dealt with here Near-sightedness
 * The details about screen time and sunlight and screentime are summed up by "focusing on close objects, greater time spent indoors" Doc James  (talk · contribs · email) 02:31, 25 December 2019 (UTC)
 * The body of that article needs to be updated to being based on secondary rather than primary sources... Doc James  (talk · contribs · email) 02:34, 25 December 2019 (UTC)
 * I was afraid that might be true.— Vchimpanzee  •  talk  •  contributions  •  17:01, 25 December 2019 (UTC)

Wrong Allegation!!
Wrong Allegation On My Talk Page.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jtb1917

I have not copied and pasted from the link given in your statement: "Is copied and pasted from http://apps.who.int/medicinedocs/en/d/Js4881e/5.2.html"

I have used the latest list published by WHO, it's 21st list for making changes in the content. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jtb1917 (talk • contribs) 13:53, 25 December 2019 (UTC)

Please refer to Citation 3 in my last edit of the page. Link- https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=WHO_Model_List_of_Essential_Medicines&oldid=932301677

AS PER World Health Organization Model List of Essential Medicines [21st List 2019] (link-https://apps.who.int/iris/bitstream/handle/10665/325771/WHO-MVP-EMP-IAU-2019.06-eng.pdf?ua=1)

"Under the terms of this licence, you may copy, redistribute and adapt the work for non-commercial purposes, provided the work is appropriately cited, as indicated below. In any use of this work, there should be no suggestion that WHO endorses any specific organization, products or services. The use of the WHO logo is not permitted. If you adapt the work, then you must license your work under the same or equivalent Creative Commons licence. If you create a translation of this work, you should add the following disclaimer along with the suggested citation:“This translation was not created by the World Health Organization (WHO). WHO is not responsible for the content or accuracy of this translation. The original English edition shall be the binding and authentic edition”. Any mediation relating to disputes arising under the licence shall be conducted in accordance with the mediation rules of the World Intellectual Property Organization.Suggested citation. World Health Organization Model Listof Essential Medicines, 21st List, 2019. Geneva: World Health Organization; 2019. Licence: CCBY-NC-SA3.0IGO."

So, WHO as per its 21st list allows me to use content if I use the suggested reference. Thank You. Jtb1917 (talk) 13:40, 25 December 2019 (UTC)
 * User:Jtb1917 NC content is not compatible with Wikipedia as we allow commercial reuse. Doc James  (talk · contribs · email) 09:02, 26 December 2019 (UTC)

Heading
The entire literature of the last 15 years suggest that antibiotics treatment only should be favored as a first approach: https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C5&q=appendectomy+vs+antibiotics&btnG=&oq=appendectomy+vs.

If you estimate that the tone of this article doesn't currently reflect this fact, then modify it taking it into account. As currently the state of this article reflects beliefs that were held 20 years ago and is thus lacking important details to maintain relevance. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.197.228.43 (talk) 12:55, 26 December 2019 (UTC)
 * The surgical community has not switched over to antibiotics as first line. Doc James  (talk · contribs · email) 13:37, 26 December 2019 (UTC)

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A barnstar for you!

 * User:Gestrid I will not say we have succeeded until Wikipedia is again accessible in Turkey. But this looks like a positive step in that direction. Doc James  (talk · contribs · email) 12:19, 30 December 2019 (UTC)

Silent strokes: Can CK-BB be used to diagnose?
Let's say someone is in the hospital after a heart attack and they have CK Iso run and CK-BB comes back elevated w/o any other stroke symptoms. Wouldn't that suggest a Silent Stroke? Should CK Iso panel or CK-BB be added to methods of diagnosing silent strokes? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silent_stroke#Diagnosis Phantom in ca (talk) 18:09, 29 December 2019 (UTC)
 * User:Phantom in ca I am not sure. Would need to look at the literature. Do not run CK-BBs very often anymore as Trops are more specific for heart problems. Doc James  (talk · contribs · email) 12:20, 30 December 2019 (UTC)

Your recent edits to Hydroxychloroquine
Hi Doc James. Happy New Year to you. In case you weren't aware, there's a comment here about how your recent edits to Hydroxychloroquine may have violated the ANI embargo on adding or removing drug pricing. --Ronz (talk) 17:02, 1 January 2020 (UTC)

Hi James. As a reminder the ANI close remains in effect including "There is an embargo on adding or removing pricing during this process.". As such this edit which updates and removes old inaccurate information runs contrary to that embargo. Let me know if you have any questions by pinging me here or leave a message on my talk page (which has linked you to above). Barkeep49 (talk) 17:59, 1 January 2020 (UTC)
 * User:Barkeep49 yes apologies I removed the BNF by mistake and have restored it. Doc James  (talk · contribs · email) 05:57, 2 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Obviously given your position on inclusion of pricing it's "funny" I was here because of a removal but that's Wikipedia for you :). Have a happy new year, Barkeep49 (talk) 06:12, 2 January 2020 (UTC)
 * User:Barkeep49 I imagine everyone is fine with good faith updating and clarification of existing price information. I have no concerns with User:Pbsouthwood tagging by the way. Doc James  (talk · contribs · email) 06:16, 2 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Well I don't know if everyone is fine with it, but I discussed it on IRC with two different sysops and we all agree that updating the information is fine. So that's at least 3 uninvolved sysops who are fine with it. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 06:19, 2 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Striking the above in advance of replying to some feedback on my talk page. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 21:15, 2 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Barkeep49, If you took even a moment to look at the edit as opposed to continuing Colin's harasment you would have realized that docjames was removing vandalism. Unless you think Walmart receipt was a serious source. Shameful. AlmostFrancis (talk) 02:54, 2 January 2020 (UTC)
 * I did look at the edit. It's why I linked to it above. There's nothing in there that is a Walmart receipt that I can see. Please correct me if I'm wrong. As you were not yet registered when The relevant ANI thread closed you might not be aware but there is "strict enforcement of WP:AGF, WP:CIV" in these discussions. Please dial back. "Barkeep49, docjames was removing vandalism. Unless you think Walmart receipt was a serious source." accomplishes the same point without worrying about civility or good faith. Barkeep49 (talk) 06:12, 2 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Barkeep49, that account is one year and a couple of weeks old, not just a couple of weeks old. WhatamIdoing (talk) 03:35, 3 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Indeed. I have struck that part from my comment above. The broader point remains. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 03:45, 3 January 2020 (UTC)

, It might be worth clarifying in the ANI close whether updating and/or clarifying pricing information counts as adding and/or removing pricing. Looking at it one way, to change a price requires removing the old price and adding a new one, looking at it another way, the presence or absence of pricing remains constant. Clarifying the information is even more vaguely covered. Tagging for improvement does not appear to have been mentioned, and probably should remain that way as it is something likely to be done by totally uninvolved people. There remains the problem of what to do if another totally ininvolved person addresses a tag requesting improvement and makes an edit that could reasonably be considered an improvement, or just makes a plausible improvement. This is unlikely to happen often, so could possibly be simply ignored as mostly harmless. If the same person makes a habit of doing this, they could be notified of the dispute and embargo, but it would be preferable to disrupt normal encyclopedia-building activity as little as possible.· · · Peter Southwood (talk): 07:36, 2 January 2020 (UTC)

Are editors aware of the list of most price edits since 2015 created by Colin? This appears to be a violation of WP:POLEMIC. QuackGuru ( talk ) 13:45, 2 January 2020 (UTC)


 * Administrators%27_noticeboard/IncidentArchive1025: The question of drug pricing is remitted to a single venue: Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Medicine-related articles § Product pricing).  This applies to at least three posters on this page, who are in breach of ANI conditions. An admin giving notifications and discussing with the two targets of the notification is one thing; continuing a price dispute on a user talk page is quite another.  Sandy Georgia  (Talk)  13:49, 2 January 2020 (UTC)

Reasons for including drug prices
Hi James, I am mot aware of the reasoning behind routinely including drug pricing in drug articles. I am getting the opposition reasoning explained in considerable detail, but that is one side of the debate. Is there a reasonably concise statement of the value of drug pricing as encyclopedic content, justifying its inclusion in all or most articles in a prominent position, somewhere that I can look it up for myself? Cheers, · · · Peter Southwood (talk): 06:50, 2 January 2020 (UTC)
 * User:Pbsouthwood Prices matter for different reasons for different groups. Per HHS "List prices matter to patients" Per MSF "secret medicine prices cost lives".
 * Prices mater to me as an emergency physician as 1) pts often ask me how much medications I am prescribing will cost 2) I get pts coming to the ER as they are unable to afford the medications someone else prescribed them. These details are useful and encyclopedia even though they are approximates. Doc James  (talk · contribs · email) 07:41, 2 January 2020 (UTC)


 * Administrators%27_noticeboard/IncidentArchive1025: The question of drug pricing is remitted to a single venue: Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Medicine-related articles § Product pricing).


 * Discussion of drug pricing here is a breach of the ANI conditions. Sandy Georgia  (Talk)  13:47, 2 January 2020 (UTC)


 * Yah we can move this back there. Doc James  (talk · contribs · email) 15:24, 2 January 2020 (UTC)


 * James, my advice to you and to anyone else who might be watching here is to really take part in the discussions there. --Tryptofish (talk) 00:26, 3 January 2020 (UTC)

Happy New Year!




 Doc James , Thanks for your contributions to Wikipedia, and a Happy New Year to you and yours! CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 01:17, 31 December 2019 (UTC)


 * – Send New Year cheer by adding {{subst:Happy New Year}} to user talk pages.
 * Thanks User:CAPTAIN RAJU the same to you :-) Doc James  (talk · contribs · email) 06:03, 3 January 2020 (UTC)

Picture of the day
I have just listed as Picture of the day for 18th January. I don't want to mislead our readers, so please could you check the blurb, which is based on various related articles, for errors and amend or extend as you think fit. Incidentally, the file description mentions avian flu, but the diagram just mentions flu in general. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 12:31, 4 January 2020 (UTC)
 * User:Graham Beards is the expert I would ping on virus related stuff :-) Doc James  (talk · contribs · email) 12:36, 4 January 2020 (UTC)
 * OK, thanks. Will do. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 12:38, 4 January 2020 (UTC)

El Salvador
Hi Doc James. I saw User talk:Diannaa on 's user talk and then noticed that you had protected this article for a week per Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/3RRArchive401. The protection has expired and Javierboujee26 seems to be back to edit warring again. I've got no stake in this other than normally being WP:HERE. I could revert back to the WP:STATUSQUO version or at least the version you protected, but that seems likely to only further exacerbate the edit warring. Moreover, if there's really a copyvio involved, any further reverts would just create more things to clean up. Anyway, I figured I'd ask you about it to see if anything can or should be done. It's possible that there could be an issue in communicating in English with this editor; the account is about a month old and seems to be an SPA with respect to things related to EL Salvador, but might not be very familiar with Wikipedia in general. -- Marchjuly (talk) 02:35, 3 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Have blocked the user in question User:Marchjuly. Doc James  (talk · contribs · email) 05:51, 3 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you for taking a look at this. -- Marchjuly (talk) 12:47, 4 January 2020 (UTC)

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DS Notification
Barkeep49 (talk) 21:54, 4 January 2020 (UTC)

Copypatrol down
Hi Do James, sorry to have to bother you. Turnitin went down for maintenance for a while on January 4, and the CopyPatrol system still has not resumed posting reports. I have posted twice on Eran's user talk and sent him an email, and pinged MusikAnimal, who often helps but is currently on vacation. I wonder if you have any suggestions as to what else we can do to get the bot rolling again? Thanks in advance. — Diannaa 🍁 (talk) 12:37, 6 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks User:Diannaa will look into it and ping a few technical people. Doc James  (talk · contribs · email) 12:45, 6 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks so much. — Diannaa 🍁 (talk) 12:47, 6 January 2020 (UTC)

Edit warring
James, you are edit warring again, on a Featured article. You have had multiple warnings, and at this level, you understand that it is not necessary to go right up to the 3RR limit to be considered edit warring. I think that, a psychiatrist and FA writer, has a good understanding of how the narrative should flow on schizophrenia, and has been working on the ordering of the narrative, but even if Cas was WP:RANDY and not an experienced editor in his field, please discuss rather than edit war on any article with any other editor. This is a pattern; it would be very regrettable, in the midst of everything else going on, if I had to ask ANI to ask you to avoid editing Featured articles, and I would NOT want to do that at this point, so please self-revert and wait until you can discuss with others. There Is No Deadline. Sandy Georgia (Talk)  09:39, 7 January 2020 (UTC)
 * User:SandyGeorgia this is a Featured Article. It has had that layout since at least 2011. Yes "There Is No Deadline". I am not seeing consensus for the change in question. You are free to go to ANI and make whatever request you wish at this point. Doc James  (talk · contribs · email) 09:44, 7 January 2020 (UTC)


 * I am sure that you understand that you do not need to tell me what a Featured article is or how criteria are applied; you need to discuss the flow with Casliber on the talk page, and not use your interpretation of a guideline (WP:MEDMOS) to install your preferred order. Regardless of what you perceive to be *your* reason, editwarring is editwarring, and you have a pattern of editwarring.  Please self-revert.  I hope the order of one section in an article should not be of such significance at a time when we are all working towards developing a more collegial environment.  I respect and understand, as you said on Trypto's talk, that you have been away because of several 90-hour workweeks, but returning to active editing by editwarring is not a good look.  Sandy Georgia  (Talk)  09:49, 7 January 2020 (UTC)
 * As I have stated I have requested further opinions. Doc James  (talk · contribs · email) 09:53, 7 January 2020 (UTC)
 * James, I understand that you have been working long hours, and I recognize that you may not have followed all recent discussions, but this pattern is part of the problem, and regardless of where you have "requested further opinions", it is still edit warring. The pattern of engaging in conflict, and then posting to WT:MED for support as soon as you encounter pushback, is part of the dynamic that has affected the collegial working environment, and among the things that need to stop to further a collegial environment.  You have posted for further opinions to WT:MED before even waiting to hear from Cas or anyone else at Talk:Schizophrenia.  This pattern needs to stop. Could we please work towards improving the environment among medical articles, particularly at this juncture, when we are trying to solve many problems?  Why is the order of one section on an article page so important that you would edit war over it?  Sandy Georgia  (Talk)  10:00, 7 January 2020 (UTC)
 * I heard from you. I have requested further opinions. We likely have differing ideas on what is required for "a collegial environment". Similar to how we have differing ideas on the audience we are writing for and what sort of information we should be attempting to provide. Doc James  (talk · contribs · email) 10:16, 7 January 2020 (UTC)