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A barnstar for you!

 * What an uplifting read! I needed it this week. Thank you! Usedtobecool ☎️ 15:44, 22 October 2020 (UTC)

eye strain wiki page
Hello doc. There has recently been some edits and removal of content from the "Eye Strain" wiki page that I request you to review. I added "sleep, rest and nutrition" as the treatment for fatigue related eye strain, but it is being repeatedly removed for lack of citations and even the citations I mention are being rejected. On the other hand, a lot of content already present on the page is cited from blogs of clinics which according to Wikipedia's guidelines, should not be allowed. As per my understanding, a citation is required only when stating a medical fact that needs an expert to research a hypothesis and get it peer reviewed to prove it as a fact. But for something that is common knowledge: like muscle fatigue being relieved by rest and sleep, Wikipedia's guidelines do state that such commonsense exceptions are allowed. The reason being, that anyone with fatigued eye muscles just needs to close their eyes or sleep to relieve the fatigue, hence validating it without ambiguity. There's no need for a researcher to prove this (also probably the lack of research in this area for something so obvious). I'm aware that conditions like myasthenia gravis are different, but as long as I mention that it is for everyday eye muscle fatigue, shouldnt it suffice? If citations are really necessary, could you help with citations from medical textbooks? And could the citations from the clinic blogs be removed from the wiki page? Many of those are usually written by non-medical outsourced writers. Navinwiki (talk) 07:47, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

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October harvest
treats --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:58, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
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If you missed it, check out the Infodemic coverage under "Odd bits". ☆ Bri (talk) 01:44, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks User:Bri. Interesting. Doc James  (talk · contribs · email) 05:10, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

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Raviv
Could you help with this important person https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Raviv_Zoller — Preceding unsigned comment added by 176.12.144.170 (talk) 16:47, 4 December 2020 (UTC)

Putting the star in barnstar

 * +1 Crossroads -talk- 05:46, 8 June 2020 (UTC)
 * I endorse this message. Thanks for all you do, Doc. Cullen328  Let's discuss it  06:29, 8 June 2020 (UTC)
 * . Keep up the good work! El_C 06:35, 8 June 2020 (UTC)
 * I sent you an email--Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 13:44, 8 June 2020 (UTC)
 * I should have said this several days ago, sorry. As you said to me not too long ago, WP can be a tough place, but that does not in any way take away from the good work that you have done. And you, James, have done more for the improvement of this project than have thousands of others combined. By all means, take as much time away as you want, but please know that you are missed and that you will be welcomed back when you are ready. --Tryptofish (talk) 22:33, 10 June 2020 (UTC)
 * I echo what Tryptofish said.-- Literaturegeek |  T@1k?  02:19, 11 June 2020 (UTC)

Comment. As more time goes by I fear that it is becoming increasingly likely that we may well have lost Doc James forever, and indeed too. All because a very small number of editors became overly fixated on minor negative or controversial issues like his spelling, drug prices, videos etc., made it personal and then made it a goal to hound him off the encyclopaedia, and because of the arbitration committee which refuses, since it’s existence, to pass remedies that resolve civil bludgeoning (stealth bullying/harassment) behaviour. Perhaps if I had tried harder to defend Doc James and CFCF more (e.g., by examining in more detail and searching for ‘recent actionable‘ diffs or given more examples of bludgeoning etc.) then maybe ArbCom could have passed a more fair set of remedies and then I could have prevented all of this, but I just assumed ArbCom would be more fair. Let’s remember the amazing work Doc James has done for the literally many hundreds of thousands or perhaps even millions of people whose lives have been improved or even saved by the high quality medical knowledge he has spread around the world, via Wikipedia.-- Literaturegeek |  T@1k?  17:58, 12 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Agrees with many of what you said. I must say that I remember someone once left a message on User:Jimbo Wales's talk page to suggest taking a precaution. It is a pity that ...... Anyway, let's be optimistic and look forward together. I stand with Doc James.--Deep humility (talk) 20:06, 13 July 2020 (UTC)
 * I've been in contact with him via email. I won't comment on what we discussed, but I will state that losing Doc would be a devastating loss. He contributes to and maintains so many medical articles. He is without a doubt our most prolific medical editor, and articles suffer in his absence. I've been wondering if I should let WP:Med know that he hasn't been around and some of us might therefore want to consider picking up the slack at articles he monitored.


 * Pinging Alexbrn, Tom (LT) and Adrian J. Hunter so that they are aware of Doc's absence if they aren't already.


 * CFCF has taken long breaks before, but this is concerning. Flyer22 Frozen (talk) 03:12, 13 June 2020 (UTC)
 * That's no good! However I also echo PaleoNeonate. Sometimes Wikibreaks can be great refreshers and help one work out whether and what is really the enjoyable parts about Wikipedia. I hope Doc James comes back refreshed. I've had more interactions with CFCF and will post on his talk page too. --Tom (LT) (talk) 07:09, 13 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks Flyer. Hopefully Doc is enjoying a well-earned break and will be back when he's ready.  No doubt the case was exhausting, but Doc wasn't admonished or anything like that, and is still an admin, so clearly he still has the trust of the community.  I second the last sentence by Literaturegeek above. Adrian J. Hunter(talk•contribs) 05:26, 14 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Wikibreaks can be awesome, especially after many years of great contributions. That said, I'll always be glad to see you around, and hope to, Doc James.  Farewell, — Paleo  Neonate  – 04:04, 13 June 2020 (UTC)

Thanks to all that have left words of support. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 08:49, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Apologies..I should have left my thanks too. I cannot emphasise how much you are missed. Whispyhistory (talk) 20:18, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
 * User_talk:Doc_James/Archive_171--It's a good place to be! hope you find what you're looking for! Cheers. 110.50.163.61 (talk) 05:46, 15 October 2020 (UTC)

Tides Advocacy
Hi James,

Could you provide some additional info on why such a staggering sum was donated to Tides Advocacy with so little notice, board resolution, community awareness and other information on the fundraising side?

The FAQ at provides almost no information as to exact use, why we're donating sums like this when other donating causes have generally been declined, and why so little notice was given for a sum that would otherwise fill 1/11th of the Endowment. Nosebagbear (talk) 14:41, 13 December 2020 (UTC)
 * User:Nosebagbear will ask. Doc James  (talk · contribs · email) 17:37, 13 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Katherine Maher states that an answer will be provided via wikimedia-l tomorrow. Best Doc James  (talk · contribs · email) 23:24, 13 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Much obliged, Nosebagbear (talk) 23:29, 13 December 2020 (UTC)

User:Nosebagbear reply is here  Doc James  (talk · contribs · email) 18:22, 14 December 2020 (UTC)

Wikibreak
Doc James was run out of Wikipedia. Truth be told but maybe I can not say that because I can not cite a reference.Eschoryii (talk) 04:03, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
 * The last edit Doc James made was roughly eight hours ago, so that seems a little premature without some evidence. — Tenryuu 🐲  ( 💬 • 📝 ) (🎁 Wishlist! 🎁) 04:11, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
 * I read his talk page hoping for his return. If he is back as you say, I am happy for Wikipedia.Eschoryii (talk) 05:40, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Given that he contacted the CEO of the WMF for me and got an answer within a day or so (please see the comment directly above), I feel like he's pretty present Nosebagbear (talk) 11:13, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
 * While I am still very much involved with the movement, I am indeed less involved with the day to day editing of EN WP. Doc James  (talk · contribs · email) 19:56, 15 December 2020 (UTC)

Is this sort of referring to external sources acceptable?
In this section, a certain editor has referred the reader to graphics contained in a research paper. I have never seen this format before in a Wikipedia article. While it may be a convenience for the reader, the fact that this is new to me and the editor in question is controversial have led me to wonder if this violates no external links. Your feedback is appreciated. PS: I appreciate that my inquiry may be somewhat ill-timed.--Quisqualis (talk) 17:56, 16 December 2020 (UTC)

AL amyloidosis
Perhaps you could check my latest edit to AL amyloidosis? Thanks, - Snori (talk) 07:36, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

Scripts++ Newsletter – Issue 19
 News and updates associated with user scripts from the past month (December 2020).

Hello everyone and welcome to the 19th issue of the Wikipedia Scripts++ Newsletter:

Scripts Submit your new/improved script here
 * Cscr-featured.svg Enterprisey's script-installer, a gadget that makes it easier to install scripts, is this month's featured script


 * Gnome-colors-list-add.svg Enterprisey's copy-section-link adds popups to section headers which has an appropriate wikilink and external link to the section.
 * DannyS712's FindBlacklistEntry can be used to figure out which line(s) in either the local or global spamblacklist prevent a particular url from being added.
 * Nardog's CodeEditorAssist allows customizing the code editor, including changing the color theme and enabling live autocompletion.
 * Cobaltcigs's IllWill allows searches wikidata.org for foreign-language sitelinks, to populate ill and replace plain red links.


 * Gnome-colors-view-refresh.svg Twinkle has made a number of improvements, most notably full support for expiring watchlist items.
 * Evad37's Signpost Publishing Script is now at version 2.4.2, with changes including a fix for calculating the size of pages with files.
 * Evad37's MoveToDraft is now at version 2.5.1, with changes including:
 * checks for move conflicts and better options if move fails
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 * updating the default move log and notification texts to be more in line with WP:DRAFTIFY
 * Enterprisey's cv-revdel now handles failures more cleanly, including reporting failures caused by the spam blacklist.
 * Bradv's Notepad.js script has been updated with new styles and a new launch button.
 * A beta version of XFDcloser is available for testing, and brings a new user interface for dialogs and some preferences for customization.



Open tasks
 * Voting in the m:Community Wishlist Survey 2021 is ongoing until December 21, 2020. There are 15 proposals in the "bots and gadgets" category that may be of interest.

Pending requests
 * A script to help list discussions at WP:ANRFC (request)
 * A script to allow undoing edits despite conflicting intermediary edits (request)
 * ...and many more, all available at User scripts/Requests

Miscellaneous
 * The Watchlist Expiry feature worked on by the Community Tech team has been enabled on Wikipedia. For scripts that include watching or unwatching pages, developers may want to update their code to take advantage of the new functionality. See the documentation on mediawiki.org.
 * As noted in the prior issue, Enterprisey's links-in-logs script has now been implemented as part of MediaWiki core. By my count, this is his third script that was replaced by implementing the code in MediaWiki core or an extension, along with link-section-edits and abusefilter-hide-search. Additionally, his reply-link script is being converted in part to mw:Extension:DiscussionTools. Are there any other scripts that might be worth integrating directly in MediaWiki? Thoughts would be welcome at Wikipedia talk:Scripts++.

As always, if anyone else would like to contribute, help is appreciated. Stay safe, and happy holidays! --DannyS712 (talk) 00:19, 18 December 2020 (UTC)

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Article about Ivermectin
Hi Doc James, would you mind having a look at the journal mentioned here - you may well be familiar with it - and let me know if it qualifies as a reputable source for medical articles: EJMED? It has an interesting paper about Ivermectin:. Thanks, Arcturus (talk) 13:40, 18 December 2020 (UTC)

New peer reviewed review article of global importance re. PREVENTION OF ongoing mass casualties
There’s been so much bullshit and mediocre results and unreliable crap that everybody’s super jaded. I wouldn’t bug you if this wasn’t important.

Link unstable; see https://archive.fo/h3HsZ for https://www.newswise.com/coronavirus/flccc-s-covid-19-hospital-treatment-protocol-published-in-the-journal-of-intensive-care-medicine/?article_id=743479. (link unstable).

Can I get your help discussing any Reliable source issues and getting this on the main COVID-19 pandemic page, etc? (Coronavirus_disease_2019...) I’m sure they’ll be a knee-jerk reaction if as an IP I try and do it that will just backfire and slow it down. --50.201.195.170 (talk) 19:00, 19 December 2020 (UTC)

"Brain fog" listed at Redirects for discussion
A discussion is taking place to address the redirect Brain fog. The discussion will occur at Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 December 19 until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. WhatamIdoing (talk) 23:03, 19 December 2020 (UTC)

Your e-mail
I'm not sure that the page you mention is speedily deletable per WP:G4: it is substantially identical to the deleted one, but is 4 years old and therefore not a "recreation".  Sandstein  09:02, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

User box
Probably not as direct violation, but I am not sure the replacement is any better than what you removed. 2600:1700:D1C2:10:302E:30BC:2DBD:D6F1 (talk) 17:22, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

Intracranial bleed vs stroke in article on intracerebral hemorrhage
Dear Doc James (Dr Heilman), Although you are right in your change on 23:08, 22 May 2020 to the article on intracerebral hemorrhage that the authors of the reference twice referred to "intracranial bleed[ing]", it is not part of any definition they gave of intracerebral hemorrhage, which to them and their readers would have been self-evident. In fact, the authors first distinguished intracerebral hemorrhage from ischemic stroke and only then from "aneurysmal subarachnoid hemorrhage". To remedy this, I've tried to provide a definition, provided a citation to a source written for non-specialists, and added a sentence distinguing ICH from general intracranial bleeding and from from inchemic stroke. I hope this has rectified the problem I originally identified that making a link to "intracranial bleed" takes the reader nowhere. There is no Wikipedia article with that title. I regret that I do not have the time or expertise to write such an article. I would be grateful if you could take a look at the new version and make whatever improvements that will help ordinary readers understand what ICH is, especially those consulting the article after learning that a relative has been diagnosed with an intracerebral hemorrhage. Robert P. O&#39;Shea (talk) 06:49, 27 December 2020 (UTC) Robert P. O&#39;Shea (talk) 06:53, 27 December 2020 (UTC)

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Please correct the link to your donation info in COI section of your userpage
Hi James, hope you're well. As you know the contents of MedaiWiki-run old Foundation website have moved to the Governance Wiki, the link to your donation information is no longer valid. The correct link is. I hope you correct the link. Thanks for amazing work and enthusiasm! &mdash; T. 20:31, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

Possible copypaste violation/Anaplastic oligodendroglioma
On page Anaplastic oligodendroglioma the User: John Maynard Friedman has written: "The article was flagged as a possible copyright violation. It is not acceptable merely to remove the warning without a credible reason. (The reason given in the edit note is just childish). If (as seems likely) http://www.research-journal.net/en/Oligodendroglioma-Conclusions-from-a-clinical-series-of-90-operated-cases.html was used as a source, then (a) that source must be acknowledged in the reference and (b) it must be properly wp:paraphrased and (c) given that the issue has been flagged, a note should be made at this talk page to record the actions that have been taken in response to the flag." AND THIS "This article or section may have been copied and pasted from another location, possibly in violation of Wikipedia's copyright policy. Please review http://www.research-journal.net/en/Oligodendroglioma-Conclusions-from-a-clinical-series-of-90-operated-cases.html (DupDet · CopyVios) and remedy this by editing this article to remove any non-free copyrighted content and attributing free content correctly, or flagging the content for deletion. Please be sure that the supposed source of the copyright violation is not itself a Wikipedia mirror." Can User:DocJames help to find a good solution to cancel the bad sentences from User: John Maynard Friedman?? Wname1 (talk) 17:17, 11 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Doc James does not run interference on serious violations of Wikipedia policy. I am the person who noticed and first reported the plagiarism and copyright violation. Material in violation of copyright will be removed if nobody chooses to paraphrase it. Anyone can write the paraphrase, but it's incumbent on article authors not to copy-paste from sources in the first place.
 * My condolences on your diagnosis, Wname1, but it doesn't excuse exposing Wikipedia to copyright lawsuits. What you call "bad sentences" are very serious allegations.--Quisqualis (talk) 19:39, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

is a medical editor and admin who works in copyright and may be willing to look at this. Sandy Georgia (Talk)  19:49, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

User talk:Doc James has also worked on Anaplastic oligodendroglioma on 25 April 2020‎ with +508. Wname1 (talk) 21:22, 11 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi all, thanks for the ping. I'm responding at Talk:Anaplastic oligodendroglioma, so please head there for follow-up. Doc James, sorry for the minor dust-up. I hope you're finding your partial break restful, and that you're staying well despite the craziness. Ajpolino (talk) 02:32, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

Updated discussion on SARS-CoV-2 lab leak conspiracy theory
I invite you to take a look and hopefully participate in a renewed discussion about the SARS-CoV-2 lab leak theory, in this link. Forich (talk) 00:18, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

"Alopecia" listed at Redirects for discussion
A discussion is taking place to address the redirect Alopecia. The discussion will occur at Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 January 14 until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. Hux (talk) 06:07, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

Has the format of this Talk page been widened?
It is too wide for my monitor, and I don't recall this being the case last week. Print is too small if I shrink it down.--Quisqualis (talk) 19:32, 11 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Back to normal; thanks.--Quisqualis (talk) 07:05, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

Help please
Hello. I came across what may be vandalism on the Douglas Haldane page. Haldane was a medic all his life but an errant editor has added two Social Work categories to the page using HotCat. It could be a non-native English speaker who imagines doctors can be classed generically as "social workers". I have removed the two categories and enquired of the editor what her/his rationale was. Could you please have a look in case it blows up? Thank you for your trouble.--Po Mieczu (talk) 21:13, 18 January 2021 (UTC)

New year
Thank you for your note to Flyer22. --Have a good 2021! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:39, 22 January 2021 (UTC)

today: Vision pictured (not by me), with Arik Brauer in the news, so art in Vienna twice --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:44, 27 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks Gerda Arendt :-) Doc James  (talk · contribs · email) 01:17, 28 January 2021 (UTC)
 * ... and today Jerome Kohl, remembered in friendship --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:40, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

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Banana#Production and export
Hi I don't understand this edit at Banana: It's still like that and I'm guessing it was meant to go under the next table instead of above it? I'm guessing this is the data source for that table. Invasive Spices (talk) 21:46, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
 * The map contains data by year. Doc James  (talk · contribs · email) 09:52, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Sorry never mind. Your edit was fine. There was a problem displaying it and both WP and my browser were both failing silently, instead of erroring. Invasive Spices (talk) 18:39, 10 February 2021 (UTC)