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Cochrane Collaboration meeting in Vienna, October 1st
Hi Doc James,

I 've heard you might be able to visit the Cochrane Collaboration meeting in Vienna. Somebody (User:FloNight?) reserved some time for a wikipedian pre-colloquium. We've skyped with FloNight about this recently, and several people would like to attend, but we need some details. Are you, or ia FloNight planning to give a speech, a workshop, or anything else? Do you want us to prepare something? What will be our objective? Please answer on our wikiproject's subpage, English is OK. - Or, if I'm completely wrong, please forward this to whom it may concern. Regards, --MBq (talk) 08:56, 30 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks User:MBq yes I will be there. FloNight is the one leading efforts. Will let her provide further details. Doc James  (talk · contribs · email) 18:03, 30 June 2015 (UTC)
 * I replied on the wikiproject's subpage. Sydney Poore/FloNight&#9829;&#9829;&#9829;&#9829; 18:16, 30 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Hi again, Sydney and I will have a chat about this event, on monday, August 31th 21:00 CEST (19:00 UTC, 15:00 EDT). If you like, feel free to enter at any time, irc://irc.freenode.net/wikipedia-de-rm . Regards, --MBq (talk) 08:17, 27 August 2015 (UTC)

Hi James, thanks again for your time, talk, and for listening to my funny problem ;-) Here I'vw added a talk section dealing with our legal requirements in german and english, to be used as a reference. Have a good time in Europe! Regards, --MBq (talk) 13:09, 2 October 2015 (UTC)

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Historical Enquiry
(dislcaimer noted) In relation to : s:Page:Recovery from the passage of an iron bar through the head.djvu/12

Was wondering what the notes for Nov 16th would translate as in modern parlance. In particular "... Was bled from the arm ℥ xvi., and got:—℞. Hydrag. chloridi, gr. x.; ipeacac, gr. ij. M. ", I am assuming gr is short for grains, so this is clear a dosage given, but of what?. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 15:16, 14 September 2015 (UTC)


 * I think Hydrag. chloridi is Calomel or Mercury(I) chloride used to cause regurgitation, as is ipecac. — 206.188.36.153 (talk) 01:17, 17 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Doc James is away,im certain he'll respond ASAP --Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 20:03, 15 September 2015 (UTC)
 * User:ShakespeareFan00 The first bit is describing blood letting while the second appears to be the prescribing of two medications. Ipecac is well known. I am not sure what the other is or what the abbreviations are. The IPs suggests seem good. Doc James  (talk · contribs · email) 16:36, 19 September 2015 (UTC)

Your presentation about Ebola translations
Dear James, thank you again for your presentation about Ebola Translations in Mexico.

Next weekend I will be attending the WikiCon 2015 in Dresden, a conference similar to Wikimania, but aimed at the German speaking community of Germany, Austria and Switzerland. I am invited to talk about the Wikimania (program). My idea is to present your project, the Medical Translation Taskforce, as an example about what happens in the Wiki world and that it is worthwile to become active outside ones own language borders.

Could you send me your presentation (PowerPoint, PDF or Word or whatever) so that I can cut out some key figures to use for my presentation or just tell me where I can find it? I'll be asking Carl on his talk page as well.

Thanks again for your work, with best regards, --Gereon K. (talk) 07:04, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Doc James is away,im certain he'll respond ASAP--Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 10:45, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Have send. Hope you got it in time. Doc James  (talk · contribs · email) 16:15, 19 September 2015 (UTC)

hi
I know you've been away but you may want to look at....Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Medicine and/or Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Medicine( emailed you should these discussions be of interest)--Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 20:51, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks will follow up eventually. Doc James  (talk · contribs · email) 16:32, 19 September 2015 (UTC)

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A question
Dear colleague Can I ask about the cause of omitting the referenced article "Efficacy and safety of Honey based formulation of nigella sativa seed oil in functional dyspepsia: A double blind randomized controlled clinical trial." from the citations? It is clearly stated in "Identifying reliable sources (medicine)"that: "Primary sources may be presented together with secondary sources" — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mheydari2 (talk • contribs) 20:24, 21 September 2015 (UTC)
 * It states that primary sources should generally not be used. Best Doc James  (talk · contribs · email) 20:41, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

Abortion article: shorter and better
Thanks for shortening and clarifying the sentence I wrote for Abortion and mental health... I hope you don't mind my continuation of that sentence now that it's shorter. SocraticOath (talk) 21:40, 21 September 2015 (UTC)
 * User:SocraticOath looks good. Doc James  (talk · contribs · email) 22:19, 21 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Would you take a look under the Abortion talk page, section Defining abortion, for the change I'm proposing next? Thanks,SocraticOath (talk) 21:47, 23 September 2015 (UTC)

ERythromycin
I disagree with your reversion of my edit. A quick survey of random antibiotics I find cefepime and aztreonam that put the class in the lead sentence, and others like doxycycline and vancomycin that do not. Clearly there is a lack of consistency here. What guideline says that something like drug class can be stated only once in an article? You know just as well as I do that with antibiotics, in particular, the drug class is especially important and burying that detail at the end of another paragraph just doesn't make sense to me. Cburnett (talk) 15:51, 22 September 2015 (UTC)
 * It can be stated twice in the article. But it need only be stated once in the lead User:Cburnett. Per WP:MEDMOS we try to write in simple language. This means not trying to put everything possible into the first sentence. This means keeping the first sentence especially simple / general. We state it is a macrolide 3 times BTW. Doc James  (talk · contribs · email) 16:36, 22 September 2015 (UTC)
 * I would have kept the drug class (that is macrolide) in the first sentence but trim a lot of the rest of the detail. Jrfw51 (talk) 17:26, 22 September 2015 (UTC)


 * I wasn't putting everything in the lead sentence (fair enough though, you were being hyperbolic with what I did as I was about using "macrolide" only once). To me, the antibiotic class is incredibly important to have the lead sentence. It's right up there with movie's genre, book's author, what president # the POTUS was, or noting that James Heilman is an emergency physician and not just a physician. :) Cburnett (talk) 21:54, 22 September 2015 (UTC)
 * "macrolide" is not a well known every day word while "emergency" is. Thus I disagree that these two cases are comparable. We should try very hard not to use non common words in the first sentence of the article other than the name of the article itself Doc James  (talk · contribs · email) 19:37, 25 September 2015 (UTC)

Citation bot
It seems I am not getting the error report when I use citation bot for PMID articles, but the references are still not expanding. Have you had better luck? How could I bring this to the attention of the person that runs citation bot? (or potentially fix it myself). Thanks. Plumpy Humperdinkle (talk) 08:09, 24 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Nevermind, I figured out how to report the error. Thanks. Plumpy Humperdinkle (talk) 08:30, 24 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Is the "cite pmid" bot still working? I typically follow the ref formatting described at WP:MEDHOW and expand them before I save using the autofill feature User:Plumpy Humperdinkle Doc James  (talk · contribs · email) 16:45, 24 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Apparently there is a current RfC about whether to deprecate the cite pmid and cite doi due to coding issues. I find manually adding the refs a bit cumbersome, but will defer to it if the bot functionality is deprecated. Plumpy Humperdinkle (talk) 08:53, 25 September 2015 (UTC)
 * From my recent edits, it looks like cite PMID is once again working. This is great news. Thanks for the input regardless. Plumpy Humperdinkle (talk) 08:57, 25 September 2015 (UTC)
 * All one needs to do is enter the PMID or DOI and than hit the ref autofill button in the ref toolbar per WP:MEDHOW User:Plumpy Humperdinkle. One does not need to manually fill everything Doc James  (talk · contribs · email) 12:52, 25 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Ah I see -- I will use this as a backup in case cite PMID stops working again. Thanks. Plumpy Humperdinkle (talk) 10:35, 26 September 2015 (UTC)

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User Lagoset
Dear Doc James.

I think you must see this: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Lagoset#Numerous_advices_to_this_user._It_seems_that_he_does_not_want_to_learn. Numerous advices to this user. It seems that he does not want to learn.] and the seven ninteen next messages. (I restored deleted content to Lagoset's talk page; it was a mistake, the policies are different in spanish Wikipedia. Sorry!).

Regards. --BallenaBlanca (talk) 22:41, 27 September 2015 (UTC)


 * There is even this message, that was deleted: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Lagoset#December_2014_.28deleted_by_Lagoset.2C_Revision_as_of_14:50.2C_28_February_2015.29 You may be blocked from editing without further warning the next time you insert a spam link. 01:18, 28 December 2014
 * He deleted the warning and he continued to add spam links: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Lagoset#Restricted_external_links Restricted external links, 09:42, 9 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Regards. --BallenaBlanca (talk) 04:09, 28 September 2015 (UTC)
 * I have edited to make some corrections. Regards. --BallenaBlanca (talk) 15:37, 28 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Any recent adding of spammy links User:BallenaBlanca? Doc James  (talk · contribs · email) 17:53, 28 September 2015 (UTC)

Yes. Some recent examples:
 * http://www.cremas-caseras.es - Revision as of 08:25, 9 September 2015
 * http://www.cremas-caseras.es/kits-de-iniciacion/344-kit-de-iniciacion-utensilios.html


 * https://bootsindustries.com - Revision as of 07:05, 7 September 2015
 * http://bootsindustries.com/portfolio-item/heat-bed-3d-printing/


 * http://www.abb.com - Revision as of 07:54, 3 September 2015
 * http://www.abb.com/industries/db0003db004332/324a96c40c8eb93ec1257a850040ebaf.aspx

Regards.--BallenaBlanca (talk) 00:18, 29 September 2015 (UTC)
 * http://donqi.nl - Revision as of 13:09, 15 July 2015
 * Hum. Might be good to bring this discussion to ANI. Appears issues include copyright problems and spam links. Doc James  (talk · contribs · email) 16:48, 29 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Who should do it? Sorry, I do not know the procedures for the English wikipedia. Regards.--BallenaBlanca (talk) 21:04, 29 September 2015 (UTC)
 * You are right, it seems that there are some copyright problems, even after the advices on his user's talk page. Some examples:
 * Undid revision 680966232 by Lagoset (talk). Copypaste of the source https://itechcraft.com/last_mile_navigation/
 * This page Zytech Group, created by Lagoset (09:57, 28 July 2015‎), is a copypaste of http://www.youmusicworld.com/mp3-cuatro-x
 * This page Churra, Spain, created by Lagoset (07:36, 19 June 2015‎), is a copypaste of http://datab.us/i/Churra,%20Spain
 * In this review, some of the text is a copypaste of the source http://evnewsreport.com/nrg-evgo-completes-largest-corporate-installation-electric-vehicle-charging-stations-southern-california/17948/
 * Regards.--BallenaBlanca (talk) 23:10, 29 September 2015 (UTC)

Traffic comparison graphic
You made these wonderful graphics. I use them often.

I showed them to some people and they asked about CDC data, asking where that website fits. Can you comment - did you consider putting the CDC traffic in this chart? Why is the CDC absent?

The citation for the file mentions Alexa Internet. I thought I heard you say that you generated traffic comparisons from comScore. Did you ever publish any data from comScore, or am I confusing your comparisons with those from the WMF?

File:Change in medical pageviews from 2009 until 2014.png is very useful and I am showing this as well. Do you know if the data behind this chart is solely derived from the WMF's own counts? Is any of this data from another service, like comScore?

Thanks for any insight that you can share.  Blue Rasberry  (talk)  18:05, 29 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Sure User:Bluerasberry


 * I initially created the graphs using Alexa.com data. Alexa however no longer provides sufficient free access to generate these. CDC had a significantly lower readership than the NIH thus I did not include it (only using one US gov source).
 * The new versions are based on similarweb data and come to more or less the same conclusions. You can see the published version here
 * File:Change in medical pageviews from 2009 until 2014.png is entirely based on WMF data.
 * I asked for access to comScore but was never able to get it. Doc James  (talk · contribs · email) 18:26, 29 September 2015 (UTC)
 * By the way here is CDC.gov at 29M pageviews per month
 * And the NIH.gov at 274M pageviews per month.
 * Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 18:29, 29 September 2015 (UTC)
 * And here are the calculations behind the graph  Doc James  (talk · contribs · email) 18:44, 29 September 2015 (UTC)
 * All very helpful. Thank you.  Blue Rasberry   (talk)  19:53, 5 October 2015 (UTC)

Ovarian cyst
Hello James. I rearranged the epidemiology section 2/2 Richiez comments on my talk page. Will defer to your arrangement, but just by way of explanation. Plumpy Humperdinkle (talk) 06:10, 30 September 2015 (UTC)
 * We typically organize articles per WP:MEDMOS. Doc James  (talk · contribs · email) 06:30, 30 September 2015 (UTC)

Permanent weight loss - "really poor sources"
On the subject of "Weight Loss", you undid most of the references I added:

Permanent Weight loss
Whether or not permanent weight loss is possible is a hotly contested subject. Meta-studies show that the outlook is bleak but modest long term weight loss e.g. of 5% is possible without bariatric surgery:

The only explanation I could find is "trimmed the really poor sources". Surely an official press release from UCLA, a meta-study, would be considered a good source? On such a contentious subject, meta-studies should be given precedence, which is why I think the UCLA study is the most important reference. Also, don't you consider CBC a good source? One of the main sources for that story seems to have been: "University of Alberta professor Tim Caulfield". It would be a shame not to include that story because it's a very readable article.

Tcotco (talk) 21:58, 1 October 2015 (UTC)
 * If you notice my edit User:Tcotco as seen here I just removed a lot of the popular press. I did not remove a meta study as it was not referenced.
 * Looking into it further, the study you do reference is not a meta study
 * Press releases should never be used. I have found the review. Summarized it. Added that summary and properly formatted the reference. Best  Doc James  (talk · contribs · email) 06:12, 2 October 2015 (UTC)

dewiki Persönliche Bekanntschaften (personal acquaintances) program
Please join the dewiki personal acquaintances program. For English speaking people it's a little bit tricky to do the first step:

good luck Boshomi (talk) 21:43, 1 October 2015 (UTC)
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 * 2) select the tab "Helferlein" (#mw-prefsection-gadgets)
 * 3) Please activate in the section "Veränderung der Oberfläche"  the Checkbox "Erweiterte Benutzeroberfläche für Persönliche Bekanntschaften aktivieren, um Bestätigungen hier vornehmen zu können."
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 * 5) After the Bot made it's job, you can confirm personally known Users, at least de:User:Tobias 1984, de:User:MBq, de:User:Andrea Kamphuis, de:User:Hubertl and user:Braveheart.
 * 6) If a other user confirm your acquaintances, you will get a message from a bot at your german talk page de:BD:Doc James, or at this wikilabs link: https://tools.wmflabs.org/pb/index.py?p=user&id=620540
 * Thanks. I think I have done it right User:Boshomi Doc James  (talk · contribs · email) 06:24, 2 October 2015 (UTC)
 * A API-change switched the bot off, but now it works fine again. Now you are able to confirm users at de:WP:PB/A. This Link works also Boshomi (talk) 20:29, 3 October 2015 (UTC)

Had to share..
Thought you might like this. This is what my instructor wrote on a recent microbiology assignment:

I didn't follow his instructions because I edit microbiology articles and know they are typically pretty reliable. Best Regards,
 * Barbara (WVS) (talk) 20:35, 2 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes unfortunate. The prof should say use WP responsible with the understanding that parts of it may be wrong rather than do not us it at all. Doc James  (talk · contribs · email) 20:45, 2 October 2015 (UTC)

Field study, specialty
What type of Doc are you? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.85.207.141 (talk) 20:43, 2 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Details are here User:Doc James Doc James  (talk · contribs · email) 20:49, 2 October 2015 (UTC)

Translation "Guinea Worm Disease"
Hi Doc James, we are compiling a list of medical translations done so far in Dagbani and I'm wondering where to include Nyalfu (Guinea Worm Disease) in our Health & Medicine list. Could it be a neglected disease? Thanks  —M@sssly ✉  23:37, 2 October 2015 (UTC)
 * User:Masssly It is technically known as dracunculiasis and yes is a neglected tropical disease. Doc James  (talk · contribs · email) 08:48, 3 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes I realized that after I left this message. Thanks —M@sssly ✉  11:03, 3 October 2015 (UTC)

Franklin D. Roosevelt's paralytic illness
I thought of you while reading about Franklin D. Roosevelt's paralytic illness. I didn't see you in the article history and thought this might be a good one for your nightstand. No problems there, in fact, it has been a joy watching another editor improve the article over the past few days. I'd be curious as to what your thoughts are concerning the mysterious illness...and of course, if you can help improve the article that would also be welcome. — Berean Hunter   (talk)  01:04, 3 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Ah I did not realize that the polio diagnosis was in dispute. Doc James  (talk · contribs · email) 08:47, 3 October 2015 (UTC)

Question
James, could you please direct me to a resource with guidelines on submitting original diagrams or illustrations? I have been looking through Wikimedia Commons, but most of the resources I've come across have to do with photographs. Plumpy Humperdinkle (talk) 11:04, 3 October 2015 (UTC)
 * If you create good illustrations or diagrams and yes please upload. I have created a few simple ones such as seen here  Doc James  (talk · contribs · email) 12:12, 3 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks, that is helpful. Is there any formal wikipedia policy about diagrams? I typically use Adobe Photoshop. Plumpy Humperdinkle (talk) 21:16, 3 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Not that I know of. Doc James  (talk · contribs · email) 06:19, 4 October 2015 (UTC)

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 * User:Stephenb thanks for checking :-) Best Doc James  (talk · contribs · email) 21:45, 5 October 2015 (UTC)

Template:Skeptoid
You don't like my use of Template:Skeptoid. Fine, we can talk about that on its deletion discussion. But why are you also systematically deleting my edits that have nothing to do with that?! —JonathanDP81 (Talk | contribs) 16:15, 6 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Which edit was that? Doc James  (talk · contribs · email) 16:59, 6 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Ah yes here it is . My apologies on that one User:JonathanDP81 Doc James  (talk · contribs · email) 17:04, 6 October 2015 (UTC)

Honey bucket to bucket toilet move
I've pinged you there on the article talk page. I think this move was premature and based on faulty evidence. I'm requesting the move be undone and submitted to a formal WP:RM so it can be advertised for a fuller discussion. Msnicki (talk) 20:26, 6 October 2015 (UTC)

Move review for Bucket toilet
An editor has asked for a Move review of Bucket toilet. Because you closed the move discussion for this page, or otherwise were interested in the page, you might want to participate in the move review. Msnicki (talk) 20:52, 6 October 2015 (UTC)

Cannabis Sidebar
Many pages have a sidebar and a bottom bar it just allows for more information. Please return the cannabis sidebar.Mangokeylime (talk) 19:11, 7 October 2015 (UTC)
 * We should get consensus first as it is not recommended. Doc James  (talk · contribs · email) 08:15, 8 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Who should we get it from?Mangokeylime (talk) 02:51, 11 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Also what exactly is wrong with the psychedelic sidebar?Mangokeylime (talk) 02:05, 18 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Duplicates content at the bottom which should remain at the bottom. Doc James  (talk · contribs · email) 02:45, 18 October 2015 (UTC)

Clonazepam false allegations
Hi there Doc, how is your vacation going? I hope you are all right. AFAIC you should be also a sysop: could you please check to the "Clonazepam" article where I have added the  template about the allegedly "referenced" info "(...) In many areas of the world it is commonly used as a recreational drug. (...)". I believe that giving away unreferenced info like this is potentially very dangerous. Thanks.   M  aurice    C arbonaro     10:05, 9 October 2015 (UTC)
 * There is a ref and it says "In several countries, prescription and use is now severely limited due to abusive recreational use of clonazepam." Doc James  (talk · contribs · email) 17:25, 11 October 2015 (UTC)
 * This ref says "frequently abused"  Doc James  (talk · contribs · email) 17:27, 11 October 2015 (UTC)

October 2015
It appears that you have been canvassing—leaving messages on a biased choice of talk pages to notify them of an ongoing community decision, debate, or vote—in order to influence the WP:RM discussion at Talk:Honey bucket. While friendly notices are allowed, they should be limited and nonpartisan in distribution and should reflect a neutral point of view. Please do not post notices which are indiscriminately cross-posted, which espouse a certain point of view or side of a debate, or which are selectively sent only to those who are believed to hold the same opinion as you. Remember to respect Wikipedia's principle of consensus-building by allowing decisions to reflect the prevailing opinion among the community at large. Thank you. This post was inappropriate. Msnicki (talk) 17:33, 10 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Ah no. I informed a project to which the discussion pertains. I than provided the facts "honey bucket" is a euphemism as no honey is going in said bucket. This was just a brief summary of the opening remarks of the RfC. Doc James  (talk · contribs · email) 17:46, 10 October 2015 (UTC)

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Carbapenems
Working on article above, appreciate your input as it seems like one in which errors would not be a good thing. If there is time, will move on to the individual carbapenems and then to piperacillin-tazobactam. 2601:643:8100:8AF4:163:9E9B:3AC6:210B (talk) 04:04, 12 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks will look. Doc James  (talk · contribs · email) 20:59, 12 October 2015 (UTC)

Spirulina
Thanks for your suggestion, regarding my edits on spirulina article. But the article contains "ridiculous" claims, as observed by some other editor and I think this is to be attended (statement like spirulina is 30 times costlies) by persons with medical background, like you. As I donot have medical background, I will not touch any medical content of the article. Rayabhari (talk) 15:16, 14 October 2015 (UTC)
 * We have a guideline that states that health claims require secondary sources. Thus reason why all the primary research was removed. Doc James  (talk · contribs · email) 15:33, 14 October 2015 (UTC)

Pertussis ten weeks/100 days
Thanks ;) Huw Powell (talk) 17:58, 14 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Agree your wording was better. Thank you User:Huw Powell :-) Doc James  (talk · contribs · email) 23:41, 14 October 2015 (UTC)

Wikidata
LeadSongDog come howl!  18:03, 15 October 2015 (UTC) Yes this was why I started the proposal with it being "NOT about WPs references being pulled from Wikidata". There are a lot of people asking for a structured reference meta data. It is also part of the goal of the project on Wikidata per here. I realize that some on WP do not care about this which is okay to. This proposal will not affect WP. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 01:24, 17 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Ok, now I'm really confused.
 * My Q4 sought to clarify the basic goal: if we will at some point rely on the wikidata repository to support the verification of wikipedia article assertions, we will have to be able to trust that it is stable and resistant to vandalism. A revision history will have to be readily accessible or we will have simply amplified the cite pmid problem, spreading across language versions.
 * Did your A6 mean you don't want metadata to flow from the Wikidata repository to the Wikipedia citations, or only that you don't want users to have to click on a link to see the metadata? I had been thinking that a new version of cite journal (or equivalent) would pull in and format that metadata, so the reader would see much the same thing as now, but on all languages implementing cite journal. An inferior alternative would be to one-time flow the metadata values into the wikipedia article's wikitext, but similarly that's almost as bad as the present cite pmid situation.
 * A4 This is something I would see as for discussion in a few years. There is a lot that needs to be done before it could be considered. Wikidata is still proving itself. The short term goal is for research purposes independent of WP and for a backend for bots.
 * A6 I am not proposing that meta data flow from WD to WP. It does have some possible benefits in that 1) maybe everyone could view refs in the style they like 2) I like the metadata to be seen within WP articles when I hit edit. I guess VE could pull from WD without changing presentation but I do not use VE.
 * Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 01:20, 16 October 2015 (UTC)
 * So then this has nothing to do with WP, just wikidata? In that case the discussion should probably not have been on WP. LeadSongDog come howl!  02:15, 16 October 2015 (UTC)
 * The discussion was on Wikidata with a heads up placed at WT:MED because of the overlap. Doc James  (talk · contribs · email) 07:42, 16 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Well, then. I really did not understand what your intentions were, so I'm glad I asked. LeadSongDog  come howl!  14:13, 16 October 2015 (UTC)

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using reliable sources
Related to reference from: http://offlineclinic.com/blumbergs-sign-rebound-tenderness/

Please elaborate how do you define a "reliable" source?

I corrected errors on related wikipedia articles through http://offlineclinic.com/ too.

I simply corrected the link (to the same page with a different permalink now).

Waiting to discuss :)

Stay blessed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ninjutsu (talk • contribs) 12:40, 16 October 2015 (UTC)


 * Wikipedia's guidelines for reliable sources are described in WP:MEDRS. Basically the preferred sources, whenever possible, are review articles in top medical or scientific journals.  Blog posts will very rarely be considered reliable sources. Looie496 (talk) 13:39, 16 October 2015 (UTC)

Hand washing
Dr James  I am a retired nuclear engineer that has developed,patented and tested a Germ-Safe door handle to replace hi -traffic 'grab-handles' and thereby drastically reduce public and healthcare hand contamination. See www.ForTheUS.com. This is a third way along with washing and sanitizing. I need to have my hands-free handle used and reported on by medical personnel. Any suggestions? This handle could save many lives. John S Buck Ca nuclear license  NU1895. HealthyFingers@yahoo.com — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1012:B068:9867:557D:839F:4590:34B5 (talk) 23:44, 16 October 2015 (UTC)
 * What is the evidence for it? Any review articles on the topic? Doc James  (talk · contribs · email) 01:21, 17 October 2015 (UTC)

Reversion of added medical content for Coeliac disease
You've reverted my edits and reminded me to use only "high-quality reliable sources", and yet my sources were well-known, peer-reviewed medical journals. Also, the references list for the article already contains many original papers very similar to those I've used (i.e. not review articles as you've stipulated), as well as a citations for decidedly unreliable sources like about.com. Also, I did pay close attention to the heading on the article's edit page advising editors to make suggestions on the talk page before editing, which I did, and received no response. Can you please explain? Thanks. Dalfet (talk) 08:03, 19 October 2015 (UTC)
 * User:Dalfet yes other parts of the article could also use improvement in the referencing. For health care content we try to use high quality recent secondary sources. Thus I replaced those primary sources with this review . Best Doc James  (talk · contribs · email) 08:33, 19 October 2015 (UTC)

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