User talk:Doctor of Directions

June 2017
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July 2017
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Manual of style
Hi there, just wanted to give you a heads up that when adding section titles (headers) to articles, they go in sentence case per WP:Head. I seen where you were beginning each word in the headers with a capitals letter, but it's only the first word and proper nouns that begin with capitals. You don't have to go back and change any of them, as I think I have them all fixed now. Cmr08 (talk) 06:50, 23 July 2017 (UTC)

January 2018
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You may be blocked from editing without further warning the next time you add unsourced material to Wikipedia, as you did at Northwestern High School (Hyattsville, Maryland). John from Idegon (talk) 04:39, 29 January 2018 (UTC)

Don't overly divide articles
Thank you for editing!

I took a look at your divisions of Hyattsville, Maryland and I strongly disagree with the division of key aspects of the city by neighborhood. Readers want single comprehensive sections for Transportation, Education, etc. covering the whole city. It's not that big!

Also I must stress that content must be sourced or else it can be removed in a heartbeat.

Thanks, WhisperToMe (talk) 19:53, 31 January 2018 (UTC)

Do not remove sourced content without explanation
Hi again! I went to the Chillum, Maryland article and found my sourced content on Chillum schools was gone. This edit was done with no edit summary. My content was sourced to U.S. Census Bureau maps and Prince George's County schools attendance boundaries.

Please do not remove sourced content without explanation in an edit summary, and do not replace it with unsourced content.

Thanks, WhisperToMe (talk) 23:11, 1 September 2018 (UTC)

I accidentally did this because I thought the schools residents of Chillum attended were all contained within Chillum itself such as Chillum Elementary School, Ridgecrest Elementary School, and Cesar Chavez Elementary School. I did not think elementary schools in surrounding areas that are part of the Chillum CDP but not in Chillum such as Rosa L. Parks Elementary School located in the neighboring community of Green Meadows, Lewisdale Elementary School located in neighboring community of Lewisdale, and Carole Highlands Elementary School located in the neighboring community of Carole Highlands. All three of these elementary schools are not located in Chillum itself but are part of the Chillum CDP because of the fact that areas such as Green Meadows, Lewisdale, and Carole Highlands are unincorporated communities that like Chillum have Hyattsville the zipcodes of 20782 and 20783. I apologize if there was any disruption to your sourced content. Notice that I especially changed some of elementary schools you listed beachse of the fact that they were not exactly located within Chillum' actual boundaries. Doctor of Directions (talk) 04:39, 2 September 2018 (UTC)

I apologize for the fact that I renoved anybof your content. Doctor of Directions (talk) 04:40, 2 September 2018 (UTC)


 * Apology accepted! The article is really about the CDP, since that is where User:Rambot got the source of his data: the population statistics, boundaries, etc. are all from the CDP. The lead even says that it's a CDP.
 * If the "historical Chillum" does have different boundaries, it would be a great addition. You will need a published source stating what the boundaries are: Newspapers, Maryland government agencies, etc. are all okay. See Third Ward, Houston as an example of sourced content about boundary issues.
 * Also note the U.S. Census Bureau changes the boundaries of CDPs: In 2010 much of what was Chillum CDP was given to Landley Park CDP.
 * Also PGCPS does not put CDP boundaries into consideration when drawing attendance boundaries, so parts of a CDP can be zoned to a school outside the CDP.
 * Thanks,
 * WhisperToMe (talk) 09:23, 13 September 2018 (UTC)

December 2018
Instead of adding a long history of each route for List of Metrobus routes (Washington, D.C.), why don't you make a separate article explaining each route instead of adding it all into the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Swagging (talk • contribs) 14:17, 17 December 2018 (UTC)

Metrobus Routes
You don’t need to add every street to every bus line. Just add the major roads instead and don’t add any minor roads. Swagging (talk) 11:29, 8 February 2019 (UTC)

Please don't keep adding every street to a line. Only the major streets can be named not every streets. That's why the section is called Major Streets and not Streets served. Just please stop adding every street to a line and only add the major streets. Example: F4 major streets: East-West Highway, Philadelphia Avenue, Riverdale Road, Queensbury Road.

Refer to my note BEFORE adding all the unnecessary information.

Not every street needs to be name.
Read this message BEFORE adding material

It's ok to add information on the history, we just don't need every street listed on the List of Metrobus routes (Washington, D.C.) page. Only use the major streets the bus travels on the most. And you don't need to put the street numbers as well.

Also, you keep adding information to the wrong sections.

February 2019
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Bus divisions inaccuracies
Please refer to the listing before editing again
 * The 37, 79, P6, only get Bladensburg buses for select peak hour trips
 * The 90 and 92 does not run out of Bladensburg and runs out of Shepherd Parkway
 * E2 only gets Bladensburg buses during Weekdays and Western buses weekends
 * G2, V1, V2, V4, and V7 doesn't run out of Bladensburg. G2 runs out of Western, V1, V2, V4, and V7 runs out of Southern Ave on Weekdays whole V2 and V4 runs out of Shepherd Parkway on Weekends
 * U4, U5, U6, U7, and V8 gets Blade buses during Weekends only
 * The C11, C12, C13, C14, D12, D13, and D14 does not run out of Landover division
 * The K2, K6, and K9 does not run out of Northern and runs out of Montgomery
 * The 96, and 97 does not run out of Shepherd Parkway or Western. It runs either from Bladensburg or (97 only) Southern Ave
 * Shepherd Parkway runs few 32, 34, and 36 buses during rush hours
 * The H11, H12, H13, NH1, NH2, P18, P19, and W14 doesn't run out of Southern Ave. The H11, H12, and H13, runs out of Landover division while NH1, NH2, P18, P19, and W14 run out of Shepherd Parkway
 * The 37 doesn't run out of Western anymore
 * The J12, and K12 runs out of Landover division, not Southern Ave
 * The D5 or S9 does not run out of Montgomery (the 79 will soon since Northern is closing in a few months). The D5 runs out of Shepherd Parkway, Western, or Bladensburg and the S9 runs out of Northern
 * The J7, J9, N3, and W13 were all discontinued a long time ago. Even if they were still in operation, the W13 would be at Shepherd Parkway

Doctor of Direction's Response to Swagging
Thank You very much for letting me know about some of the routes I was mistaken by. I guess I was going off of them from the time when I was living in the MD/DC area between 2001 & 2011. I know that C11, C12, C13, C14, D12, D13, D14, H11, H12, and H13 operated from the Landover Metrobus Division even though these routes were supposed to operate out of the Southern Avenue Metrobus Division (formerly known as the, "Prince George's Metrobus Division". Also, I forgot that W13 was discontinued a while ago. Also, when I lived in the MD/DC area, the Shepherd Parkway Metrobus Division did not exist but the Southeastern Metrobus Division did. Doctor of Directions (talk) 23:55, 29 March 2019 (UTC)

It’s fine. Just wanted to let you know Swagging (talk) 12:12, 30 March 2019 (UTC)

Routes history
Do yo got any history for any Metrobus routes so I can add them to an article. If you do, can you add them so I can make them into articles? (I already made articles for the 83/86, C2/C4, F4, F6, G12/G14, J4, NH2, R1/R2, R3, R4, R12, T14 Swagging (talk) 12:12, 30 March 2019 (UTC)

I guess you could also add one for the 30, 31 32, 33, 34, 36 Pennsylvania Avenue Line, 70, 71 Georgia Avenue - 7th Street Line, 90, 92 U Street - Garfield Line, 96, 97 East Capitol Street - Cardozo Line, A12 Martin Luther King Jr. Highway Line, B2 Bladensburg Road - Anacostia Line, C8 College Park - White Flint Line, D4 Ivy City - Union Station Line, D6 Sibley Hospital - Stadium Armory Line, D8 Hospital Center Line, D12, D13, D14 Oxon Hill - Suitland Line, E4 Crosstown - Military Road Line, F1, F2 Chillum Road Line, F8 Prince George's - Langley Park Line, F12 Ardwick Industrial Park Shuttle, F13 Washington Business Park Shuttle, F14 Sheriff Road - Capitol Heights Line, H11, H12, H13 Marlow Heights - Temple Hills Line, J2 Bethesda - Silver Spring Line, K6 New Hampshire Avenue - MD Line, K12 Forestville Line, P6 Anacostia - Eckington Line, P12 Eastover - Addison Road Line, Q2 Veirs Mill Road Line, T18 Annapolis Road Line, U4 Sheriff Road - River Terrace Line, V12 District Heights - Suitland Line, V14 District Heights - Seat Pleasant Line, W4 Deanwood - Alabama Avenue Line, X1, X3 Benning Road Line, X2 Benning Road - H Street Line, Z2 Colesville Road Line, and the Z6, Z7, Z8, and Z11 Metrobus Routes. All of these lines have lots of history and some of them were even historic streetcar routes at one point while others have been gradually introduced as the Metro Stations, opened but still have a long history of having changes in their routes to align with the opening of the new Metro Stations. Probably their histories are so long, it is causing the wikipedia chart to be so long.

In addition to these Metrobus Routes, I also believe you should add articles for WMATA's former C7, C9 Greenbelt - Glenmont Line, F5 Sargent Road Line, T15, T16, T17 Greenbelt Line, U2 Minnesota Avenue - Anacostia Line, U5, U6 Mayfair - Marshall Heights Line, U8 Benning Road - Capitol Heights Line, V7, V8, V9 Minnesota Avenue - M Street Line, Z1, Z4 Silver Spring - Glenmont Line, Z3, Z5 Burtonsville Express Line, Z7, Z17 Calverton Express Line, Z9, Z29 Laurel - Burtonsville Express Line, Z13 Greencastle Express Line, and Z19 Fairland Express Line. Even though F5 is the only historical streetcar route that converted into a Metrobus Route in this category, all the other Metrobus Routes I listed right here have intensive history so long they could overflow the wikipedia charts.

The 32, 34, 36 already has a wiki article. I'm beginning to work on the A12, and F8, and I just need more history because most aren't enough from the ones you already put.

A few requests
Hi Doctor of Directions! I see you've started a lot of articles on the D.C. Metrobus routes: that's great! However, you've included a lot of unsourced information and sections that don't really belong on Wikipedia. Any content added to Wikipedia needs a source. I would encourage you to look over this intro to Wikipedia's Manual of Style and this if you need help finding sources. Reading the sections on capitalization, headings, dashes, and the things that Wikipedia is not would also be helpful. Articles should not be excessively detailed. I'm happy to help you out if you'd like! I remember what it was like as a new Wikipedian. Let me or the Teahouse know if you have any questions, and happy editing! –Daybeers (talk) 21:25, 30 April 2019 (UTC)

Doctor of Direction's Response to Daybears
Actually, I didn't start/ create any of these articles. Another wikipedia user, Swagging, created them in order to free up some space on the main Metrobus Routes wikipedia page chart, and I just happened to add information to his articles. I also have several important sources in this article even though some of them might still be in the main Metrobus Routes wikipedia page. Actually, Swagging was doing the right job by helping get rid of my super detailed summary of some of the Metrobus Routes' histories that were overflowing the wikipedia charts on the main page. I don't think that any of my information is too detailed. I believe some of these details are too important to be left out, otherwise wikipedia readers will not get the proper understanding of each D.C. Metrobus route's history. Besides, having lived in the MD/ DC area, I have a wealth of knowledge on some of the routes.
 * (In the future, you can just reply under the section I created instead of creating a new one). I know you didn't create them; don't worry, I already left the same message on Swagging's talk page. Actually, most of the information on the individual route articles is way too detailed, or at least it's just unnecessary long wording. Please read the Wikipedia policies on original research and the things that Wikipedia is not. Your statement "Besides, having lived in the MD/ DC area, I have a wealth of knowledge on some of the routes." is a blatant admittance of original research. The articles are getting to the point where they may just be moved to the Draftspace or even deleted until further sources can be gathered. For some examples of where you want the article to be, look at National Harbor–Alexandria Line. That article still needs some cleanup, mainly removing details that are better suited in a travel guide, but overall it's a good "Start" class article. On the other hand, New Carrollton–Fort Totten Line and College Park Line are terrible examples: they're already very long and only a few statements actually have sources backing them up. Regarding the edit you recently made to the College Park Line article, you only added a single source with another single reference to it later in the article, and most of the bytes you added were just overlinking articles. Then, in your next edit, you just went right back to adding content without any sources. Also, again, please read Wikipedia's policies on capitalization, headings, and dashes for future use. I really do want to help, but I can't help if you don't take a couple minutes and familiarize yourself with Wikipedia policies and guidelines. Thank you. –Daybeers (talk) 00:44, 1 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Please stop adding unsourced content to Wikipedia and hiding it under a false edit summary. Also, as I said before, that information is not needed in the list article, but should be included with the sources you found in each route's article. Thanks. –Daybeers (talk) 06:45, 7 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Hi again! As I've said multiple times, please read Wikipedia's policies on original research, capitalization, headings, dashes and the things that Wikipedia is not. (To start off, words that aren't proper nouns in section headings should be lowercase). Also, please don't try to hide your edits by marking them as minor, and only sometimes providing a generic edit summary saying "fixed typo". Overall you're just being disruptive on Wikipedia, and that doesn't really help anyone. If you continue this behavior, I will bring this to an administrator. –Daybeers (talk) 21:46, 11 May 2019 (UTC)
 * (Moved from User talk:Daybeers for a centralized discussion) I am very sorry if you think I am disrupting wikipedia. That was never my intention. I thought I added some good sources yesterday, such as Greenbelt News Review & Washington Post, when I added new material/ corrected some facts in the WMATA Metrobus articles. It is just that once I have reviewed and found new information from my sources (which I did not have access to before) that contradict either the facts I may have entered in the WMATA Metrobus articles, or the information entered in those articles, I make every effort to correct the facts. However; grammar wise, I may make mistakes here and there but maybe perhaps, I will be able to use you, or other wikipedia users' help to correct them. In the future, I will no longer call these minor edits to make it clear that maybe my edits are major. I appreciate your feedback and hope you understand that I am trying my very best. I just finished editing the C2 & C4, and F4 & F6 lines, after finding more information about the historic streetcar routes they have replaced, and plan to do some major corrections to the R12 "Kenilworth Avenue" Line article. I also have new useful information from my sources about the A12 "Martin Luther King Jr. Highway" Line, C12, C14 "Hillcrest Heights" Line, D12, D13, D14 "Oxon Hill - Suitland" Line, F14 "Sheriff Road - Capitol Heights" Line, H11, H12, H13 "Marlow Heights - Temple Hills" Line, J12 "Marlboro Pike" Line, K12 "Forestville" Line, and 31, 32, 34, 36, 37, and 39 "Pennsylvania Avenue" Lines.


 * Thanks,
 * Doctor of Directions
 * I appreciate you trying to find sources for the information, that's a good step! Did you read the Wikipedia policies I asked you to please read? In regards to the List of Metrobus routes (Washington, D.C.) article, I am currently in the process of restructuring and rewriting that article. As I have stated several times now, there shouldn't be nearly as much detail in a list article as there is now. The table is impossible to read. The same goes with many of the route articles: Wikipedia is not a travel guide. For example, New Carrollton–Silver Spring Line is way, way too wordy. Look at M60 (New York City bus) for an example of a well-worded article that isn't too long but provides detail. Please also leave edit summaries. There is a setting in your Preferences page that notifies you when you haven't left an edit summary. –Daybeers (talk) 02:46, 12 May 2019 (UTC)

Helping out with making articles
Do you know how to create an article for Metrobus Routes? If you do, you should make some articles for Metrobus Routes with sources so the List Of Metrobus Routes page can be shorten without an excess flow of information. Since you know more Route history than me, you should make the articles with sources. If you can make an article with sources on Metrobus Routes, that will be helpful. I think DayBrees Gave you some tips on making articles (i might be wrong) but you should give it a shot. -Swagging (talk) 21:26, 12 May 2019 (UTC)

Unfortunately, I do not know how to make articles for Metrobus Routes but do think that I have a ton of new information from my sources that I could add about the history of the A12 Martin Luther King Jr. Highway Line, B2 Bladensburg Road - Anacostia Line, C12, C14 Hillcrest Heights Line, D12, D13, D14 Oxon Hill - Suitland Line, F8 Prince George's - Langley Park Line, F12 Ardwick Industrial Shuttle Line, F14 Sheriff Road - Capitol Heights Line, H2, H3, H4 Crosstown Line, H6 Brookland - Fort Lincoln Loop Line, H8, H9 Park Road - Brookland Line, H11, H12, H13 Marlow Heights - Temple Hills Line, J2 Bethesda - Silver Spring Line, J4 College Park - Bethesda Express Line, J12 Marlboro Pike Line, K6 New Hampshire Avenue - MD Line, K12 Forestville Line, P12 Eastover - Addison Road Line, T18 Annapolis Road Line, V12 District Heights - Suitland Line, V14 District Heights - Seat Pleasant Line, W4 Deanwood - Alabama Avenue Line, Z2 Colesville Road Line, Z6 Tanglewood - Westfarm Line, and Z8 Greencastle Park & Ride Shuttle Line, as well as the former 84, 85 Rhode Island Avenue - New Carrollton Line, C7, C9 Greenbelt - Glenmont Line, T15, T16, & T17 Greenbelt Line, U2 Minnesota Avenue - Anacostia Line, U5, U6 Mayfair - Marshall Heights Line, U8 Capitol Heights - Benning Heights Line, V11 Addison Road - Potomac Avenue Line, Z1, Z4 Silver Spring - Glenmont Line, Z3, Z5 Fairland Express Line, Z7, Z17 Calverton Express Line, Z9, Z29 South Laurel Park & Ride Shuttle
 * If you need help you can refer to this: How to create a page. It’s quite easy to make an article by using the guide. Also you can search up tutorials on the web to make an article. Just remember to reference your articles. Happy editing! -Swagging (talk) 12:26, 13 May 2019 (UTC)

Also if you got anymore pictures of older buses, you can add them to the Metrobus page

Hi Doctor of Directions, on my sandbox, I created some article templates that are upcoming for future pages like the 30N, and 30S, A12, C8, F1 and F2, F8, and F14. I will do more in the future once I get more information but in the meantime, you can add any sources and information on the article and I can publish them for you. Also, the 84 and 85 will fall under the Rhode Island Avenue–New Carrollton Line and T15, T16, T17 will fall under Greenbelt–New Carrollton Line. Plus the J4 already has an article in the College Park–Bethesda MetroExtra line and you can just add on to it. If you want to add history, just remember to add sources. Thank you and happy editing! Swagging (talk) 02:01, 9 July 2019 (UTC)

WMATA Flxible buses
Hello. I see you added more pictures of the WMATA fleet. That’s great, but there are some incorrect names that you mentioned. Consider this:


 * The Flxible Metro does not exist until 1980, the MTA New York ordered the first buses of the Flxible Metro, known as the Grumman-Flxible 870, in 1980, alongside a pilot model in 1979. WMATA ordered the Flxible New Look instead, so I would say to change the title from “1978 Flxible B” to “1978 Flxible New Looks.” The caption is already corrected.


 * Next is that the Flxible Metro B is not introduced until mid-1987. WMATA ordered the last set of Flxible Metro A in 1986-87, as there is a physical difference between the A and the B models.

Consider these notes as the difference on the Flxible buses, and thank you for adding more pictures. Leobran2018 (talk) 13:26, 11 August 2019 (UTC)

Hello again. I forgot to mention, that all your images caption is way too long. Consider to shorten it if possible, by just saying a bus number. Use the example from the Barcroft–South Fairlington Line, or routes 22A, 22C, and 22F, the image has it titled by bus model and its number, not “File: Route 22A at Ballston–MU Station in Arlington, Virginia.” Consider shorten the title for all images, and read the previous message to make it as a helpful tip. Thank you. Leobran2018 (talk) 23:55, 11 August 2019 (UTC)

WMATA Bus Maryland Route Articles
Hello. I see that you added more images to the Maryland routes articles. That's great, however, consider create a gallery section for the route instead of overflowing the article with too many images which can cause the article unreadable and confusing when it's edited at the right section, but displayed at the wrong section. However, your image title is still too long. I strongly recommend to shorten all image files instead of using very long names. See these two image examples:


 * Your image file name: WMATA 1994 Flxible D bus at the Wheaton Metro Station, operating on the C4 Metrobus Route in the direction of the PG Plaza Metro Station
 * Recommended file rename: WMATA 1994 Flxible D on Route C4


 * Columbia Pike–Pentagon City Line image: WMATA New Flyer XN40 3142 on Route 16H (correct naming as shortened)

Take my advice on the image naming system, and if there are more images, add them to the gallery, or ask me for help to make the gallery. Also, don't add miscellaneous/random places as landmarks, as children playgrounds, pools, and apartment/housing are not landmarks. Thank you. Leobran2018 (talk) 01:20, 1 October 2019 (UTC)

WMATA Bus fleet notes
Hello. I see that you made more notes on different fleets of WMATA Metrobus. This case I had to automatically revert it to the previous edit, as of the following reason:


 * The notes are way too long, and considered to look like a history rather than notes.
 * Some notes are already provided by CPTDB wiki, and not necessary on Wikipedia
 * These long notes are not properly sourced.

Until the tags are solved on the article, I would not recommend to put long notes on the bus fleet. Also, do not attempt to write history about those buses, as once again, it is already provided on the CPTDB wiki. Thank You. Leobran2018 (talk) 12:40, 5 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Would you mind keeping my sources though? At least, they are very useful for WMATA's 2001-2002 CNG New Flyer C40LF buses as they describe the history pf them very well. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Doctor of Directions (talk • contribs) 17:05, 5 October 2019 (UTC)
 * If you have sources (as news, website, etc), you can. But you are talking about history. The article does NOT have a history section of each fleet, and it is not necessary. I would not write about the history on the NABI 35-LFW from Arlington Transit on the differences between 2007-2008, differences on the destination sign on the 1999-2000 and 2002 DASH Orion Vs, and etc. That is Original Research, which is not allowed. We have an argument with two users: Daybeers and Toddst1, and none of us want to argue with them about this. As I said in the previous messages, until we solve the tags issue, don’t add them. If you have sources, it can be added. And also, these can be found in the CPTDB wiki on the same article, so I don’t see a point adding the history of it. Thank You. Leobran2018 (talk) 18:40, 5 October 2019 (UTC)
 * P.S.: Your source about the 2001-2002 New Flyer C40Lf is not reliable enough for a Wikipedia article for WMATA Metrobus, but it is useful for the CPTDB wiki article of WMATA Metrobus. Thank You. Leobran2018 (talk) 20:15, 5 October 2019 (UTC)

Keeping in track on the retired fleet, there are 5724 GMC Fishbowls and 620 AM Generals that used to be operated by WMATA. WMATA wouldn't retire all GMC Fishbowls in 3 years (Not possible between 1998-2000), as if it began in 1998, the last ones would've sent off property after 2011. The AM Generals can't retire all 620 buses in 1991, and the years might be inaccurate as well. It may end in 1991 (according to the source you found), but no one knows when the first one was sent off property. To be precise, the Flxible Metros and the 1992 Orion Vs equally replaced the GMC Fishbowls. The 1997-1998 Orion Vs only replaced the Flxible New Looks, and the 2000 Orion buses replaced the remaining Flxible New Looks and the GMC RTS II buses. Be sure to calculate the math before putting random years of retirement. Thank You. Leobran2018 (talk) 1:45, 7 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Oh, interesting, I thought the last GMC Fishbowls, 1978 Flxible "New Looks", and 1979 GMC RTS buses were retired in 2000?


 * Just out of curiosity, I wonder if the 2000 Orion VI buses have ever operated on the 80, 81, 82, 83, 86, 96, 97, B2, G8, H1, H2, H3, H4, H6, P6, R1, R2, R3, R4, R5, or W4 Metrobus Routes when they originally operated out of Bladensburg? I have a very hard time imagining this. I have seen pictures of them operate on the D8 Route which operates out of Bladensburg.


 * I have read from a few sources that there were not really any 2000 Orion VI buses at Montgomery until August, 2002 when they got transferred out of Bladensburg when much more of 2001-2002 CNG New Flyer C40LF buses began operating on Metrobus routes. I believe most of the 2000 Orion VI buses have served Landover throughout most of their lives, since they were present at Landover during the same time as Bladensburg and there were quite a few of them operating on several Landover routes, such as the 84, 85, T18, A12, F1, F2, F4, F6, F8, F12, F14, P12, T16, T17, and R12 Metrobus Routes. It was only during late 2005/ early 2006 that Montgomery got many more 2000 Orion VI buses, since they were transferred from Four Mile Run once Four Mile Run began operating its 2005-2006 Orion VII CNG buses.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Doctor of Directions (talk • contribs) 03:09, 7 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Well, the last GMC Fishbowls DID retire in 2000, that will be probably the 1973-1974 models, or the good condition Fishbowl buses. WMATA had the oldest Fishbowls from 1959 that ran under DC Transit before WMATA aquirement in 1973. The 1959 fishbowls retired together with the AM General in the early 1990s, and replaced them with the Flxible Metro B. Although the 1978 Flxible New Looks and the 1979 GMC RTS are all retired in 2001. Both buses were on the ready reserve fleet until all 2000 Orion buses arrives on property.


 * Apparently, I don't know that much on Bladensburg routes, but I DO know that there were Orion VIs on the REX, and 13B (both from Four Mile Run), 17M (from former Royal Street Division) and 1A (First at Arlington Division, later in West Ox after Arlington Division is closed).


 * As I stated in the earlier comments, if you found sources about the bus fleet on a specific model, it can be useful in the CPTDB wiki of WMATA Metrobus. Since you know the history of the bus models, you can add them through the CPTDB wikipedia (links: 2000 Orion VIs, 2001-2002 New Flyer C40LF 2300-2399 2400-24592460-2464). For the wikipedia article, only a source that shows on the division fleet and active bus fleets are necessary as sources, not a history of them. Thank You. Leobran2018 (talk) 12:25, 7 October 2019 (UTC)

Bus Pictures
Not every image has to be an older bus that's in the older livery. Also pictures that are blurry or not in high quality aren't usually good for Wiki unless it's the only picture available for that topic you have. Plus Google Maps Images is not a good idea for Wiki articles. Just add something that's pretty recent like a New Flyer XDE40 on the F4. Also image titles don't have to be extremely long. Instead of saying "WMATA 2002 CNG New Flyer C40LF bus at the intersection of Rhode Island Avenue (U.S. Route 1) & 34th Street in Mount Rainier, MD, operating on the 83 Metrobus Route in the direction of Cherry Hill," say "WMATA 2002 New Flyer C40LF on Route 83" and then put the rest of the information on the description of the photo. Also take example of one of my photos; "File:WMATA XDE40 7012 on F6.jpg" is a perfect example of a short title and gives a basic description of the object in the photo. Thanks! Swagging (talk) 19:50, 19 October 2019 (UTC)

Like I said: all photos does NOT have to be all older buses instead, use more recent photos for the article introduction paragraph unless its the only photo. You can put an Orion VI photo in the history section instead of the intro photograph. That photo should be a recent photo instead of an older bus unless its the only photo on Wikipedia. Swagging (talk) 16:30, 20 October 2019 (UTC)

Also you can add the photos in a gallery or in the history page. If you need help with a gallery, do it something similar to the F4 article or ask me or Leobran2018 for help. Swagging (talk) 16:46, 20 October 2019 (UTC)

I will notify that the Metrobus articles can't always have the 3rd generation livery. Wikipedia is not about the livery you like. Only the articles that does not have the latest image can use the 3rd generation livery. Leobran2018 (talk) 13:32, 3 November 2019 (UTC)

Do NOT revert back the image on the info box. As stated, all articles can NOT be in the 3rd generation livery. Just because you stated other users on "WP:IDONTLIKEIT," does not grant you the power to revert back to the old poor quality images for no reason on edit. Thank You. Leobran2018 (talk) 00:18, 4 November 2019 (UTC)

P.S.: If you intend to create an article, be sure to properly name the article. Lines with more than one route can't be used as a title. The F1, F2 (D.C. Metrobus) article was moved to Chillum Road Line. When I make the Columbia Pike Line, I don't create it as 16A, 16C, 16E (D.C. Metrobus) as title, or 16A, 16B, 16D, 16E, 16J, 16P (D.C. Metrobus) as title for the line. Be sure to title it properly.


 * The reason why I kept having to put my photos of WMATA's buses in third generation livery was because every time I wanted to add photos of older buses later on in each of the Metrobus articles, and even create a gallery, Daybeers kept picking on me and telling me I could not do it. I felt like replacing the newer photos in the articles was the only way I could survive putting my photos in the Metrobus articles without Daybeers lecturing me and reverting my edits. Daybeers obviously does not care and thinks every transit article is his own. But anyways, I will probably just keep the new photo in the infobox and just go back to my old way of just putting my photos in the body of the Metrobus articles or simply creating galleries. Preceding unsigned comment added by Doctor of Directions (talk • contribs) 03:01, 4 November 2019 (UTC)
 * You can do that, but I suggest that only the good quality pictures can be used in the articles, not the poor quality (like blurry) pictures. Thank You. Leobran2018 (talk) 12:31, 4 November 2019 (UTC)

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Google maps Image on WMATA Metrobus articles.
Hello. When you upload images, and place it to the article, do NOT use Google Maps images, as it is copyrighted from Google, regardless if it is screenshot or taken a picture from a camera to the computer screen. Unless if you have fair use from Google, these images can not be placed in the article, so these images does not count as "own work." Thank you. Leobran2018 (talk) 14:17, 10 November 2019 (UTC)


 * Alright, I have added a note on each of the images I have taken from my iPhone 7 Plus from Google Maps Street View, as being from Google Maps. Also, I have a Google Maps Account and am a level 10 local guide, which I go on my mac and take photos of older Google Maps Street View pictures not available for view on smartphones or tablets and upload them as part of the photos for many of the Metrobus Stops & Metrorail Stations, such as Branch Avenue, Suitland, Naylor Road, Southern Avenue, Congress Heights, Anacostia, Navy Yard, Benning Road, Capitol Heights, Addison Road, Minnesota Avenue, Deanwood, Cheverly, Landover, New Carrollton, Stadium Armory, Potomac Avenue, Eastern Market, Union Station, Rhode Island Avenue, Brookland-CUA, Fort Totten, West Hyattsville, Prince George's Plaza, College Park - U of MD, Greenbelt, Takoma, Silver Spring, Forest Glen, Wheaton, Glenmont, Bethesda, Medical Center, White Flint, Twinbrook, Rockville, and Shady Grove. So, technicially, even though I have used Google Maps' photos, I have helped them show those photos for many Metrorail Stations & Metrobus Stops. I have also checked Google Maps website terms and conditions and found out that I am free to use their work so long as I acknowledge it is theirs, which I went back in wikimedia commons and did. The problem, though, is that every time I upload images that I have taken on my phone from Google Maps Street View and upload through the wikipedia license that the material is not my own work/ state I have gotten the images from Google Maps, Wikipedia not only rejects my contributions, but then threatens to shut me down. This has happened so much to the point where I have just gotten frustrated and uploaded the work under my own work and then later on put the notes that they are from Google Maps, since that is the only way that they will get through without my account being shut down for (following the proper process that is just very corrupt by a few wikipedia leaders who think that they can oppress articles and the content in them). I also want to let you know that I have replaced the section where it says "my own work", with Google Maps Street View.
 * I don't know what you are responding to, but either respond in the same section or on the same page as what you are responding to. WP:CIR. Learning how to properly add copyrighted material isn't optional. If you want to upload images (which isn't required of course), you are required to do it correctly. Your ability to understand it isn't part of the equation. If you don't understand, ask questions in an appropriate place. WP:TEAHOUSE will be happy to explain it. Understanding it isn't really necessary if you just follow the instructions. John from Idegon (talk) 18:29, 10 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Ah..I removed the header to this section as it belongs in the section above. John from Idegon (talk) 18:31, 10 November 2019 (UTC)
 * being a guide does not give you permission to use photos from Google Maps. They are copyrighted, and the way you are using them is explicitly forbidden by their terms. You need to take them down. WMSR (talk) 04:20, 30 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Do not continue to upload copyvio images to Commons, and do not remove deletion tags there! I am pinging you again as you have continued to upload images after I warned you earlier today. This is getting ridiculous. People are giving you plenty of rope here; you need to listen and communicate. What you are doing right now will not be allowed to continue and could result in you being banned from both English Wikipedia and Commons. WMSR (talk) 23:34, 30 November 2019 (UTC)

Benning Heights-Alabama Avenue Line moved to draftspace
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 * Kenilworth Avenue Line
 * The Kenilworth Avenue Line, designated Route R12, is a bus route that operates Monday to Saturday that is operated by the Washington Metropolitan Area Transit Authority between Greenbelt station of the Green Line of the Washington Metro and Deanwood station of the Orange Line of the Washington Metro. The line operates every 30 minutes during peak hours and 60 minutes other times. Trips are roughly 45 minutes.


 * Marshall Heights Line
 * The Marshall Heights Line, designated Route U5 or Route U6, are daily bus routes operated by the Washington Metropolitan Area Transit Authority between Minnesota Avenue station of the Orange Line of the Washington Metro and Marshall Heights via Linchon Heights. Both lines operate every 30–40 minutes at all times. Trips would take roughly 30 minutes for both routes.


 * Greenbelt–Fort Totten Line
 * The Greenbelt–Fort Totten Line, designated Route R3, was a bus route that was operated by the Washington Metropolitan Area Transit Authority between Greenbelt station of the Green Line of the Washington Metro and Fort Totten station of the Red Line & Green Line of the Washington Metro. The route provided service from Greenbelt to Northeast Washington DC. On weekends, trips were shortened to operate between Fort Totten station and Prince George's Plaza station only. The R3 portion between Prince George's Plaza station and Fort Totten station was replaced by Route F6 and Route R2 on June 17, 2012. The R3 fully discontinued all service on March 27, 2016.


 * Greenbelt–Twinbrook Line
 * The Greenbelt–Twinbrook Line, designated Route C2 or Route C4, are daily bus routes operated by the Washington Metropolitan Area Transit Authority between Greenbelt station (C2) or Prince George's Plaza station (C4) of the Green Line and Wheaton station (C2) or Twinbrook station (C4) of the Red Line of the Washington Metro. Both lines operate every 20–30 minutes during peak hours and 24–30 minutes at other times on weekdays and Saturdays, and 30–40 minutes on Sundays. Trips would take roughly 60 minutes for both routes. On Sundays however, the C2 is shortened to operate between Takoma Langley Crossroads Transit Center and Greenbelt Station, which only which takes 30 minutes. Both lines connect northern Prince George's County to Montgomery County via the University Boulevard East/West (MD 193) corridor.

If you need any help on making articles, please refer to the How to create a page or simply ask. And please don't make the articles overly detailed and make the introductions a full on travel guide.Swagging (talk) 15:11, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

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Suitland High School
Hi! I saw your edit to the lead of Suitland High School. I added the information back, and here is why:

The specificity of the intro, while a bit difficult for the average Joe to comprehend, is **absolutely needed** because the postal address can be stated as *both* "Forestville, MD" and "Suitland, MD". The United States Postal Service (USPS) in fact does not care which "city name" is used, as postal address city names do NOT necessarily correspond to any community boundaries. If you address a letter to the school it does not matter whether you write "Suitland, MD" or "Forestville, MD".

The lead needs to make it clear that it's specifically in the Suitland CDP and that it's near Forestville. Otherwise you may have anonymous IPs bickering over whether this is in "Suitland" or "Forestville". WhisperToMe (talk) 02:39, 29 November 2019 (UTC)

I also saw your edit removing the map sourcing of the article about Suitland High School. I need to say this strongly: please never do this ever again. "Unsourced" information can be removed at will by other editors, so somebody can just say "Hey Doctor! It's unsourced, you can't put it in". It doesn't matter if somebody is a local who "knows" the truth. Your job is to show proof to non-locals that such is the case. For school zoning, you need maps. You need the URLs to the maps (of both Prince George's school zoning boundaries AND of U.S. Census Bureau CDP maps and/or municipal boundary maps) to prove to non-locals which communities the school serves. Thanks WhisperToMe (talk) 02:49, 29 November 2019 (UTC)

Also RE: Morningside, Maryland the actual city limits is small, so unless PGCPS changed its zoning boundaries (if it did, please get the new map files), the entire city limits is zoned to Henry Wise High School (as I documented here: Morningside,_Maryland). Remember not everybody with a "Morningside, MD" postal address will be in the city limits. WhisperToMe (talk) 02:52, 29 November 2019 (UTC)

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WMATA C40LF Notes
Hello. The edit on WMATA C40LF that you recently edited here is transferred to these articles: WMATA C40LF 2300-2399 CPTDB and WMATA C40LF 2401-2459 CPTDB. I recently reverted the entire bus history here, as it is not necessary for Wikipedia, as I already explained to you on October 5, 2019. A CPTDB contributor will organize your history and information soon, so you can check back on these pages. Just so we don’t get anymore trouble to other Wikipedia editors, please do not add history of each bus of the WMATA fleet as it is excessively over detailed. You can, however, try to join in the CPTDB forum by reading this thread. On CPTDB, you are welcome to add historic information of the buses, and its counterparts. In the meanwhile, don’t add history of the bus models in Wikipedia. Thank you. Leobran2018 (talk) 14:12, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

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