User talk:Dodger67/Sandbox/Afrikaner identity politics

Suggested sources
Take a look at this Google Scholar search result and pick out some of the most useful items, list them here. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 14:07, 1 October 2013 (UTC)



Ideas for article structure
I'm thinking a chronological structure would be the most suitable:


 * Beginning with the initial formation of the Cape Dutch identity where settlers and their offspring saw themseles as separate from their European "motherland".
 * The addition of French, German and other settlers further separated the inhabitants of the Cape from Holland.
 * Biebouw incident.
 * British take-over during the Napoleonic wars - cutting most of the remaining links the Cape Dutch had with the Netherlands.
 * Migrant Trekboere move into the Karoo area and become semi-isolated from the Cape.
 * Expansion of the colony eastwards and the ensuing conflict with the Xhosa, the separation of these "Oosgrens" settlers from the Cape "mainstream"
 * Slagtersnek Rebellion and the influx of the 1820 Settlers with their "liberal" ideas
 * Voortrekkers and the consolidation of the "Boer" identity distinct from the Cape "Afrikaner" identity
 * Genootskap van Regte Afrikaners.
 * Boer republics - the Voortrekkers settle down
 * Diamonds and gold
 * War with the British Empire, further alienating the Boer and Afrikaner
 * Boer defeat, Union and reconcilliation between Boer and Afrikaner
 * Partial merger of Boer and Afrikaner identity
 * 1914 Rebellion
 * Broederbond
 * Political power moves north
 * WW2 and resistance Ossewabrandwag
 * Afrikaner nationalism triumphant
 * Apartheid, internal conflict and international isolation
 * Verkramptes versus Verligtes, a distinct Boer identity re-emerges
 * F. W. de Klerk versus Eugene Terblanche and the end of Apartheid
 * Nelson Mandela goes to a rugby match
 * From Johannes Kerkorrel to Steve Hofmeyr, Volkspele to Oppikoppi.
 * Post-apartheid.

Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 14:14, 1 October 2013 (UTC)


 * Thanks Roger. A while ago I added some relevant further reading to the Afrikaner article, including an article by Pierre de Vos, and some relevant further reading to Johannes Kerkorrel. Helen  Online  14:33, 1 October 2013 (UTC)
 * That's awesome Helen, please feel free to have a go at adding to this draft. I've started with a single sentence, a cite and a handfull of See also links. Please let "the usual suspects" know about this draft - post a note at Wikiproject SA. I've already spent too much time on this today - I have exams to prepare for. Sorry about the "stream of consciousness" jumble above! Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 16:42, 1 October 2013 (UTC)
 * I am afraid I am quite busy at the moment too, so I am not volunteering right now sorry. All the best for the exams. Helen  Online  16:46, 1 October 2013 (UTC)
 * I've posted an invitation at WikiProject South Africa. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 07:49, 2 October 2013 (UTC)
 * I've edited the "stream of consciousness" post above into a proper list. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 08:02, 13 September 2014 (UTC)
 * This is well intended, but it is WP:SYN (many well researched truths grouped together) the boers died out with their language, religion and culture - they spoke dutch, their church was usurped and fundamentally changed, and after the 1930's odd, almost all those left in SA, simply became Afrikaners. The history of the boers has been used, abused, usurped, etc by so many all across the spectrum, face it, Steve Hofmeyer, Eugene Terreblanche, Johannes Kerkorrel are about as much boers as Barack Obama is a Kenyan... - i will help with this page, if you want to use it to link to a 'general history of all white afrikaans speaking people of south africa' but in doing so, it will also become a pov, etc. - as factually the boers culture never continued developing and simply ended. Just to add: From my great grandfathers handwritten diary, i have to read what he wrote regarding the late 19th and early 20th - as it happened to him, and obviously from his non npov pov, and then to read what is reflected in 'history' and it is sad how terribly poor the different pov is reflected and from my grandfathers diary, his non npov pov: gist of an entry about the zar nation and boers in general: - converted from the dutch it was written in: 'we are no more' - but, well this is i guess my current pov, and I am very open to other pov? so I am very keen to see how this can be pulled together? Zarpboer (talk) 09:39, 14 September 2014 (UTC)
 * In addition to a history section, I think what this article needs is an comprehensive examination of all the factors by which one used to identify as an "Afrikaner" - which has in the past included: membership in the Dutch Reformed Church or one of its sister denominations, varying degrees of European ancestry, and the use of Afrikaans as a first language.


 * @Zarpboer I think you're right - when I was in SA I couldn't find anybody in the casual mainstream who identified as a "Boer" as opposed to "Afrikaans"/"Afrikaner". I think the uniqueness of the particular subgroup has declined greatly; however, my understanding is that an article on Afrikaner identity would focus on the historical schism which existed between the Cape Afrikaners and the semi-nomadic Trekboere (later, the Boer Republics). There were some definite clashes of cultural and political interests. -- Katan gais (talk) 18:15, 28 June 2015 (UTC)