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Formal mediation has been requested

 * Yea good luck with that. You really should read the fine print before you do these things.  In the future please do not post anything to my talk page.  There is an ongoing discussion at Talk:Bowling Green, Kentucky that you should be participating in but are not.  Bye bye. John from Idegon (talk) 08:03, 12 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Has User:John from Idegon agreed to participate? At my mediation request page it still does not have his name: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_mediation/Bowling_Green,_Kentucky_rail_section_is_removed_from_transportation_section.Dogru144 (talk) 08:09, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

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Hello, Please see Talk:Cornwall, Ontario for an answer. Peter Horn User talk 00:48, 13 October 2014 (UTC)
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I have removed your addition of movie channel templates to general-interest channels as inappropriate for each network you listed, along with the "Classic TV network" category, which doesn't meet WP:MOS and hasn't been added by any consensus. Please seek consensus before adding categories. Thank you.  Nate  • ( chatter ) 21:39, 8 January 2017 (UTC)

Notice that I am pursuing this matter with authorities
Notice that I am pursuing this matter with Wikipedia authorities. It takes valuable time to create articles. You deprived me of my time by deleting without due process. Please note in the discussion page for the category that you deleted for the six point grounds for my contesting the action. Dogru144 (talk) 00:11, 9 January 2017 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Category:Classic TV channel


A tag has been placed on Category:Classic TV channel requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section C1 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the category has been empty for seven days or more and it is not presently under discussion at Categories for discussion, or at disambiguation categories.

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Your act is a hostile one
You deleted the article before allowing a discussion to occur. I will pursue this to mediation. Dogru144 (talk) 23:08, 8 January 2017 (UTC)
 * My talk page was empty because December 31st just passed and I archive on that date, that simple. And the category was misnamed; that was the only reason for deletion. Feel free to create it under an appropriate title.  Nate  • ( chatter ) 23:14, 8 January 2017 (UTC)

You wrote this: "hasn't been added by any consensus."

You took this hostile, aggressive act before any discussion and thus consensus could occur. I WILL pursue this to the highest Wikipedia levels. This is not your Wikipedia to run roughshod over others work. Again, I will pursue your aggression to intermediation by higher Wikipedia authorities.

You should first allow the discussion to happen, then allow the deletion to occur. I saw nothing in your message that indicates your personal authority to delete another person's work without any time of discussion and without any other parties' involvement for discussion. Dogru144 (talk) 23:26, 8 January 2017 (UTC)
 * I have retitled the category as "American classic television networks" and re-added it to most of the articles I removed the original title from. I apologize for my haste in removing the category; as I looked in your edit history and saw no previous activity on television-related articles, I was afraid that your account may have been compromised by one of our regular IP vandals in that interest area. I am relieved that it was not and I do ask for your forgiveness.  Nate  • ( chatter ) 23:31, 8 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Your rationale that you think my account is jeopardized is inappropriate and patronizing; and it is a diversion from the issue at hand.
 * Bear in mind that you have nowhere in this discussion addressed any of the six points that I laid out concerning the violations of due process and good faith discussion. The conflict is not resolved. Your inappropriate aggression is still a record of fact.Dogru144 (talk) 00:20, 9 January 2017 (UTC)

Mrschimpf, proceedings with Wikipedia authorities will be pursued
This matter is not settled. I am laying out below the six points of violations of due process and good faith discussion earlier cited in the page, Category talk:Classic TV channel. I still am going to appeal to higher administrative authority in Wikipedia. I have six major objections of procedure:

I) There was no addressing me or no initial warning notice prior to the immediate deletion of the article.

II) There was no discussion of the present article prior to its deletion.

III) The destruction of the article argued that it "hasn't been added by any consensus." This is illogical. Consensus only comes after discussion. I have never heard of any rule dictating that there must be discussion prior to a consensus for creating a category.

IV) The destruction of the article was instantaneous, without any opportunity.

V) The destruction was committed based on a false claim. The destroying editor claimed that the category was empty for seven days. "This has been done under section C1 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the category has been empty for seven days or more and it is not presently under discussion at Categories for discussion, or at disambiguation categories."

This is false on two counts. a) It was created in the last 24 hours. b) It was filled within about two hours of its creation.

VI) The deleting editor deleted the article by contending that the name ("Category:Classic TV channel") had an inappropriate name. "And the category was misnamed; that was the only reason for deletion. Feel free to create it under an appropriate title." There is nothing in the title that has vulgar language or is offensive to any group. There is nothing in the deleting editor's statement indicating what was category again. Instead of opening a discussion (issue point #1 above), the deleting editor required me to repeat the time spent in creating the category under an appropriate title. This is a Catch-22. The deleting editor is empowered to delete; yet the editor never defined the parameters of acceptable.

I request intercession by higher administrators, for the reasons of the deleting editor's actions above outlined.Dogru144 (talk) 00:20, 9 January 2017 (UTC)
 * I made a bad call and I own up to it, fully. I restored the category, I'm sorry. Let's move on from this.  Nate  • ( chatter ) 00:28, 9 January 2017 (UTC)Dogru144 (talk) 00:32, 9 January 2017 (UTC)::Will not happen. Waste of time issue & the 6 unaddressed issues above.Dogru144 (talk) 00:36, 9 January 2017 (UTC)
 * 1-6. I did everything wrong here. I apologize fully to you once again here. All of your points are now addressed; I'm sorry, I own up to it. Move on, please. There is nothing more I can do to convince you of how sorry I am here.  Nate  • ( chatter ) 00:41, 9 January 2017 (UTC)
 * TruTV isn't a network with classic TV content. Simply an incorrect categorization. Stop editing to my talk page from hereon out; I've explained my side and I have apologized profusely; I'm moving on.  Nate  • ( chatter ) 01:50, 9 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Because that's my style of talk page editing (message me on my talk I respond on yours; it's very common), that's all.  Nate  • ( chatter ) 02:01, 9 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Actually it is not. Yours is the first I've encountered. I noticed by your intro that you are engaged in conflicts, perhaps something that you're eager to keep in the archive.Dogru144 (talk) 02:03, 9 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Again, all of my archives are simply archived every six months. We're in a new year, thus a blank page. Nothing is being hidden and you can feel free to read every one of my archives. Once again, I'm done; if you're looking to fight with someone look elsewhere; I've moved on. I will respond no further to you.  Nate  • ( chatter ) 02:06, 9 January 2017 (UTC)

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The user @Mrschimpf has seemed to delete many of our edits without a reason or for some fake reason. We can help each other out and stop him. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ANDREWs13 (talk • contribs) 00:20, 29 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Having it out for editors is generally a bad idea. Instead of just assuming it's for a fake reason, consider that he's trying to help the site and knows more about how Wikipedia works than you do. Ian.thomson (talk) 00:36, 29 May 2017 (UTC)
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 * I haven't looked into the edits in question. But there are too many aggressive edits in Wikipedia. People take out material or delete whole articles without putting explanations in the edit comment line or on the Talk Page.Dogru144 (talk) 20:01, 29 May 2017 (UTC)

Harry Belafonte
Hi Dogru144. Just out of curiosity, was Harry Belafonte's father's background ever disputed? I see that you added two sources way back in 2008, where before there was a request for sourcs. However, since then, these have grown to 6, which is a bit odd for a snippet of information that is not controversial, and the talk page has no record of an edit war, which often lead to over-referencing. Did you happen to follow the evolution of the article since those days almost 10 years ago? Regards, Rui &#39;&#39;Gabriel&#39;&#39; Correia (talk) 13:48, 28 June 2017 (UTC)

North Philadelphia
I hope my revert on North Philadelphia station didn't come across as rude, and I sincerely apologize if it did. Because the summer 2017 schedule has across-the-board service changes to account for Penn Station work, I don't think it's a representative accounting of normal service to North Philadelphia. When the next schedule is released after construction, I would not be opposed to using that timetable as a source. Cheers, Pi.1415926535 (talk) 19:50, 4 July 2017 (UTC)
 * It actually is an improper edit. The change does not com into effect until next Monday. This week shows the same schedule I cited: only two trains a day in each direction. The same is shown from the Amtrak site for September, after the construction. Please do research before reversing an edit. Plus, if you are going to do destructive edits, please have the courtesy of making an account.Dogru144 (talk) 04:32, 5 July 2017 (UTC)
 * I will address your content concerns on the article talk page (though I might not have the time until later today). As to my identity:
 * I think we've interacted before, but if not then let me introduce myself. I've been editing under this same registered account since 2006 (the digits aren't a random IP), and I have the article watchlisted because I did most of the research for it, and I was the primary editor for getting it to GA status. As a side note: I recommend that all citations - especially to those like railroad timetables that tend to get taken off the web in a matter of months - use citation templates for their many advantages over plain URLs. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 15:22, 5 July 2017 (UTC)
 * My apologies on thinking you had a IP address name. I didn't notice at first the connection between Pi and the digits. It is not in good faith that you challenge the facts, then when data is provided you want the supportive data removed. You could at least offer to put up the new schedules. I didn't see any reference in your plan to remove the reference. Documentation as to how few trains actually stop at the station is a relevant fact to the article.Dogru144 (talk) 19:57, 5 July 2017 (UTC)

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Thanks. It's been a while since I read the article. I'll look at it again.Dogru144 (talk) 22:33, 7 February 2018 (UTC)

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 * I intend to contest this. Your declaration that this is an illegitimate topic is entirely subjective. The train happens to have been the premier namesake train for the Ontario Northland Railway, as per the ''Official Guide for the Railways, 1945, 'Ontario Northland Railway.' I notice that you have left standing other very dubious items on the same disambiguation page. To wit: "The Northland", those parts of the Kansas City metropolitan area north of the Missouri River

"Northland", a region in northeast Columbus, Ohio, USA This game (pre-existing article), a very dubious inclusion: Northland (computer game), published by Freeverse Software What is your authrotity to delete someone's work with no dialog before the act?Dogru144 (talk) 23:53, 11 December 2018 (UTC)


 * I will remind you that there are innumerable links to on disambiguation pages, items having no existing article or pre-existing article.Dogru144 (talk) 23:53, 11 December 2018 (UTC)


 * I have no interest in having the same conversation on two different Talk pages at once. Visit my Talk page for my reply.  General Ization  Talk  02:39, 12 December 2018 (UTC)

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Please do not add Category:Named passenger trains of the United States to articles about current (and former) Amtrak routes. They are already properly categorized into Category:Amtrak routes (and Category:Former Amtrak routes), which is a subcategory of the 'Named passenger trains' category. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 03:23, 21 February 2019 (UTC)
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 * That is a fundamental policy of all categorization across Wikimedia projects - see WP:SUBCAT. "...an article should be categorised as low down in the category hierarchy as possible, without duplication in parent categories above it." Pi.1415926535 (talk) 03:31, 21 February 2019 (UTC)
 * I was going to think that you were arguing in good faith. --Until you started beginning wholesale removal of items. Panama Limited is not an Amtrak train. It was a train for 50 years under the Illinois Central.Dogru144 (talk) 03:52, 21 February 2019 (UTC)
 * I was very careful to remove only trains with substantial histories under Amtrak. The Panama Limited was in fact an Amtrak train for ten years, and is properly categorized under 'Former Amtrak routes'. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 04:05, 21 February 2019 (UTC)
 * For 6/7 of its history the Panama Limited was Illinois Central, that is a strong majority of its period. It is highly problematic to strike it out of the Named Passenger Train category. Deleting it on the count of its Amtrak history is overriding that majority of its tenure as a train.Dogru144 (talk) 02:36, 2 March 2019 (UTC)

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 * Ernie, this needs better wording. It here certainly lends the impression of such an exemption: "Exemptions:     Policy shortcuts: The following reverts are exempt from the edit-warring policy:    Reverting your own actions ("self-reverting")."Dogru144 (talk) 20:07, 17 March 2019 (UTC)

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 * You're welcome. I'm glad that this struck your interest. Per convention, when there are different trains with the same name, but operated by different companies, the reporting mark, the recognized abbreviation for the operating railroad, in this case 'LV' for the Lehigh Valley Railroad is used after the name, to differentiate between this train and two other trains serving Toronto and different end points (New York via the Hudson River in one case and Chicago in another case).Dogru144 (talk) 04:38, 5 October 2019 (UTC)

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Hello! Since you seem to have quite the collection of timetables, I was wondering if you could help me out with a couple questions. I'm trying to figure out exactly when service ended at three B&M stations around Boston: Thanks, Pi.1415926535 (talk) 21:57, 13 May 2020 (UTC)
 * East Everett still had minimal service in 1946, but was closed prior to the big 1958 cuts.
 * Somerville Junction was was approved to close in 1939 and doesn't appear on the 1946 timetable, but newspaper snippets from 1945 and 1947 indicate it may have still been a stop. It was definitely closed prior to the 1958 cuts.
 * Winter Hill had its station building closed in 1926 and demolished in 1934; it was probably closed as a stop sometime between then.
 * Pi.1415926535, These are tough ones. The B&M omitted several suburban stations from listings in reports to the Official Guide to the Railways. And I noticed in the index of the table that you linked that tickets were not being sold at them. There is the possibility that the stations were open only in an unstaffed fashion in the manner that several older stations are functioning in today's regional railroads.


 * East Everett had only one weekday & Saturday morning rush trip inbound from Newburyport in 1937, and one outbound evening rush trip to Lynn in 1937. (Sep. 26, 1937, Table 19) It already had lost its service by the April 28, 1940 timetable. Trains passed through on the Portsmouth branch without stopping.
 * That's a great resource you linked, the April 28, 1946 timetable. Check again, Table 32, on it. The trains bypassed the station on this schedule, as they did in 1940. It was Everett and Chelsea that had service. So, the sentence at the Chelsea station (MBTA), "By 1946, the station was served ...." is erroneous. There are multiple train stops for Chelsea, including on the Sunday schedule, the page after the weekday schedules.


 * The December 1957 Official Guide, B&M section, Table 6, shows one flag stop and five full stops on weekdays northbound, and eight full stops and one flag stop southbound for Chelsea. Everett is not listed; however, at the Index of Railroad Stations it indicates that the full timetable gives service for Everett; since Everett did not have the dagger mark for freight service, it too had service. The August 1958 Official Guide shows Everett and Chelsea as freight only stations. So, the massive service cuts in 1958 took down the Chelsea and Everett passenger service stops.
 * The 1956 timetable has this note of interest for many of the lesser suburban stations, Everett and Chelsea included (Table 13), with a diamond symbol: "No checked baggage handled or tickets sold at stations referenced. Checked baggage will not be handled on trains referenced at the top of column beside train number." Thus, these were unstaffed stations --no ticket agents or baggage handlers.


 * Somerville Junction -- still had local trains in April 28, 1940, stopping there on the route towards Concord, NH; albeit, the furthest outbound extent was Walnut Hill, a stop not far after Winchester. The furthest point of origin in 1940 for Boston-bound trips was Lowell. (Table 37 of the timetable)
 * Winter Hill -- It appeared in the 1932 Official Guide's Index of Railway Stations. But it did not appear in the September 26, 1937 timetable.Dogru144 (talk) 19:03, 16 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks, that's all very helpful! I've included the East Everett history on the Chelsea station article (currently SL, soon CR) since they weren't far apart; the Chelsea station history is on Bellingham Square station (current SL and CR). Chelsea and Everett definitely lasted till 1958 as you noted, but East Everett was axed sometime earlier. On the 1946 timetable, I see East Everett being served by #245 (4:05 pm out of North Station) and #208 (5:18 am out of Newburyport) - am I misreading it? Pi.1415926535 (talk) 22:58, 16 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Pi.1415926535, You're welcome. Right you are on the two trains. I overlooked that section of the Table. And I noticed that those two trains are on the 1940 Table also.Dogru144 (talk) 01:40, 17 May 2020 (UTC)

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