User talk:Doktor Who/Archive01-Jun2006-Aug2006

Re: Pink Floyd/Roger Waters articles
Yes, it's fair to call Waters a composer. The Roger Waters - The Dark Side of the Moon Live (2006 tour) article already has the tour itinerary, but if you want to move in the notes for some of the shows that were in the Roger Waters article, that makes sense. I don't know anything about Waters and his electronic music contributions, so can't help you there. Wasted Time R 03:07, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

Re: Roger Waters tour
Sorry 'bout that. I was working on putting some new pictures in, and I had to mess with the layout a bit. Anyway, the layout's all fixed now. If it's showing up messy on your computer, please, don't hesitate to tell me. --Vazor20X6 02:55, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

Revert "accusations"
I'm not sure what you're talking about. I didn't revert anything on the Syd Barrett talk page, I added a couple new comments and then realized I forgot to sign them, so I then added my signature. I don't like being accused of vandalism by strangers. Please get your facts straight. TheQuandry 05:06, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Douglasr007 and I were referring to this edit --> x, please watch it carefully and realize that you removed some paragraphs, likely unwillingly; it is not a big trouble do not worry. cheers. --Doktor Who 05:26, 12 July 2006 (UTC)


 * That's really weird, I don't know how it happened... sorry. TheQuandry 05:33, 12 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Maybe it was due to some browser tool, I guess, such as Google toolbar, these are known issues, so no prob. Cheers ;)--Doktor Who
 * A happy ending, I'd say. Dr. Who 06:12, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

More in the Pink Floyd article
We're coming at it from different points of view; the instrumental music on the album is what is referred to in the film industry as "incidental music", or instrumental music backing various dialogue-driven scenes. The music itself is not at all incidental as a style of music. The obvious comprimise is to call it "the experimental incidental music", or if you prefer "the avant-garde incidental music" in the film. I just want it to be clear in the article that the music is the kind of instrumental background music inherent in film and not cohesive, lyric-driven tracks like "The Nile Song" or "Green Is the Colour". I'll make an edit reflecting this. - dharmabum 06:50, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Or I could look at the article before saying I'll make an edit; the way it's phrased now is perfect. - dharmabum 06:51, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

David Gilmour vandal
I'm off to bed soon, but vandals as obvious as this guy are usually quickly caught by vandal bots and patrollers; in other words, no worries. Good collaboration on the Floyd article tonight; I've made about 300 edits to the article, guided it through featured article candidacy, so I've got a lot invested in it and am seen by some (mostly people who haven't tried to get an article featured, it's a rough ride) as somewhat strict, and it's nice to see the article gradually improving with the input of another editor stringent about quality. More than anything, it's all about references; lots of people can clean up grammar, but with a band as plagued by urban legends as Floyd, a good primary reference is gold. - dharmabum 07:39, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Floyd Trance remixes
If it is the Limited Edition Trance Remix version, I have all of them except The Final Cut. They are by the The KLF, some members were also involved with The Orb, but the remixes are defiately by The KLF. --  Funky Monkey   (talk)   15:14, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
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No problem...
No problem on the invite. If you know of anyone else who might be interested in the project, feel free to invite them; just cut and paste this template onto their talk page:

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On the collaborations of Gilmour's thing, I think it sounds like a great idea; suggest it on the WikiProject's talk page and we'll get something going on it.

Last, Manzanera co-wrote "One Slip" with Gilmour on AMLoR. - dharmabum 07:01, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

Template Substitution
Alphachimpbot substs welcome templates. It's not simply replacing with full text. Check out more about template substitution at WP:SUBST. Let me (not my bot) know if you have further questions. alpha Chimp laudare 01:01, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

Barrett edits
My edits are simply explained in terms of Wiki's encyclopedic style: "... and it is believed that he wrote few new songs after he left Pink Floyd." This is uncited, 'believed' by whom? I would like to know where the claim comes from.

"– but many feel the treatment does Barrett few favors and instead takes advantage of his fragile condition."

Who are the "many"? Are they more numerous than those who hold the opposite view? In any case, the observation can only ever be subjective. I certainly don't agree with it but am perfectly happy to allow if it is backed up with fact. That is why I changed "many" to "some" as it is safer and doesn't imply a majority viewpoint.

The article in question is currently in far better state than it was six weeks ago, when it made me cringe. The article then had a large amount of dubious material of which much was presented in a salacious-like manner, especially in discussion of Barrett's past problems. I hope it doesn't backslide.

Hope this helps. Richard 01:05, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

You wrote: "I suspect that user:R.christie is planning to remove any info regarding Barret's influence on other artists. He has put the template citation needed near the sentence that I edited some weeks ago:"

Yeah sure, whatever you wish to believe. Please see Barrett discussion. Richard Christie Richard 11:55, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

Re: your comment on Music scene talk page
yeah i agree, this is something i'll contribute and link to. i'm just trying to write a lot of articles related to the Liverpool, England music scene at the moment, and hopefully they'll get tied together with an article about music scenes in each city, which then all link to/from Music scene. cheers. Tubefurnace 09:41, 20 August 2006 (UTC)


 * I take your point about genres, but at this stage indie music scenes contains a lot about what a music scene actually is, as well as genre-specific stuff, things that to my knowledge aren't elsewhere on wikipedia. The indie/punk scenes are some of them most active in having separate communities in different cities - some types of music work totally differtnly (e.g. manufactured pop music works without scenes at all), so it makes sense to house the topic indie music scenes for now at least. I think the aim should be to build up content before splitting it up. The main problem is that it seems to be an underlinked topic - almost every band started as part of a scene, but none have linked to this phrase. I agree that it should be split up into genres in the end though, definitely. Will work on it. Happy Wikivaction. Tubefurnace 13:11, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

For the record
The following is copied from my talk page. I assume Doktor Who stands behind all he has written so will not object to it being copied here, after all he has no objection to it appearing on my talk page. RichardJ Christie 03:15, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Recent edits at Syd Barrett

Hello, can you please explain your recent edits and comments on Syd Barrett? I would suggest you to be bold and change the article according to the information that you have.--Doktor Who 12:49, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

I am afraid that you misunderstood my above message: I suggested to be "bold", that means in Wikipedia slang that you are free and welcome to rewrite the aticle and delete any untrue info. It doesn't mean that you will not be reverted. Before posting "my sentence" there, I discussed it in the talk page, in other terms I asked for permission; none else has ever done it on that article, everybody come at Syd Barrett and change sentences with no discussion. My behaviour has been different, for that reason the sentence is still there.--Doktor Who 13:23, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

I understood you perfectly. Your claim above that no one else has used the discussion page as you describe is arrant nonsense. Curious readers of the preceeding are invited to read talk:Syd Barrett "musical influences" 8Aug2006 for futher information Richard 09:33, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

I am not sure you understood, please read my recent post at talk:Syd Barrett and my recent edit in the same article: I deleted that sentence (aren't you happy now?) becouse I do not want to re-edit and /or beging an edit war with you or anyone else. So I can't understand what else do you want from me. Best wishes. Doktor Who 09:45, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Richard 09:49, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Dear Richard, there is nothing personal, the point is that I' m really tired to talk about Syd Barrett, with all due respect. The first time I messaged you above, I was trying to be nice and encourage you to be bold and edit with no fear, even deleting sentences that you believe are merely POV. I have got an idea: I am setting the Email this user facility here, I invite you to do the same, so we can email each other and talk, from a technical point of view, about Barrett's technique. How does that sound to you? As soon as I buy a new webcam, I could also show exactly how he did play and moved his hand over the frets of his guitars, and why this is important to punk, post-punk, dark wave and grunge. I hope you'll agree and join. Cheers.Doktor Who 13:49, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for your kind offer. I have passed licentiate examinations in guitar performance, I have undertaken a 3 year University course in the same [which included academic courses in advanced musical analysis, harmony etc and the history of guitar performance styles and general music history], I have attended and participated in masterclasses by some of the world's leading performers, I have made a full time living from both performance and teaching the instrument for many years. I list this background so that you will understand why I politely decline your offer to be enlightened as to how Barrett "moved his hand over the frets" - I feel perfectly qualified to undertake that myself. Thank you all the same. Richard 01:19, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

I apologize if my words seemed to mean that I was trying to teach something in any way, I am not a teacher, I am just a person that believes in open source (and in open minds).Dr. Who 08:55, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Contact details

May I have your personal telephone number and email address? There is nothing personal, do no take it in the wrong way, the point is that in last 2 years I've been harrassed and hacked several times on the web.If you are a real person, I mean the real Richard Christie that lives in New Zealand, you shouldn't have any problem with my request. Dr. Who 13:47, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

Certainly not. You have misrepresented my position on Wiki pages on more than one occasion, accordingly I have no confidence in your integrity. RichardJ Christie 21:35, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

With all due respect, your tone and style sounds like a 60 years old woman, surely not the tone of a musician or a music lover. If asked by the FBI or Jimbo Wales, I can post my contact details here. Are you so brave to do the same? I guess not, becouse we both know (you and I) which is your real identity. Bye.Dr. Who 21:58, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

A record of these discussions is accessible on Talk:Syd Barrett subject 'Musical Influence' also 'Syd Barrett The Guitarist' for additional background) and within talk Dr. Who. Dr. Who's intemperate remarks in the History page of Barrett article are also on the record. The record speaks for itself, as do the last comments above. RichardJ Christie 22:20, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

Your continuous personal attacks to me speak for themselves. There is only one logical reason that prevents Jimbo Wales and other administrators to block you, and the reason is that they very likely know your real identity. Dr. Who 22:26, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

For the first time I will make a personal comment about you. I can only conclude that you really are quite cognitively disturbed. You are at liberty to believe whatever flights of the imagination you wish to but kindly refrain from inflicting them upon the pages of Wikipedia.RichardJ Christie 02:13, 23 August 2006 (UTC)