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WikiProject Rock music invitation
Hello WikiProject Alternative music member. WikiProject Alternative music, in my eyes, has proved to be successful "improving the encyclopaedic coverage of articles relating to alternative rock", and improving their quality as well. One specific example I have witnessed is The Smashing Pumpkins article. The page has gone from a mediocre work, to GA status, to FA nomination. Only appropriate, as the Pumpkins are undeniably one of the most influential alternative rock bands on the 1990's and beyond. This is the stuff I wish to achieve with the somewhat recently ressurected WikiProject Rock music. I hope to also attract attention to rock music articles of all sorts, and hopefully change some to GA or FA status. I invite you to come join us, and not only be a member of alternative Wikipedians, but the rockin' ones as well. Rock on. -- Reaper  X  03:12, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

AIV
Thank you for making a report on Administrator intervention against vandalism. Reporting and removing vandalism is vital to the functioning of Wikipedia and all users are encouraged to revert, warn, and report vandalism. However, administrators are generally only able to block users if they have received a recent final warning (one that mentions that the user may be blocked) and they have recently vandalized after that warning was given. The reported user has not yet been blocked because it appears this has not occurred yet. If this user continues to vandalize even after their final warning, please report them to the AIV noticeboard again. &rArr;   SWAT Jester    On Belay!  04:31, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

interactions with Gardener of Geda
Doktor Who, I noticed that you posted to Gardener of Geda's talk page pointing out a personal attack posted on eir user page. It seems that right now Gardener of Geda is likely to interpret such actions as stalking, regardless of whether that is your intention. I recommend that for the moment you back off from interactions with Gardener of Geda. If this requires the temporary removal of some pages from your watchlist, so be it; the pages will still be there when you get back. Michael Slone (talk) 08:46, 20 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks--Doktor Who 12:31, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

Romeo and Juliet semi protection
Just dropping sprotect on a page won't protect it. That has to be done by an admin, and requested at Requests for page protection. I put in a request on this page for you. *Mishatx* - In \ Out   04:33, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Thank you. :)--Doktor Who 05:02, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

Talk:Music for Airports
  * "Mistaken Memories of Mediaeval Manhattan" =→ On Land.

help :(  --Doktor Who 23:43, 22 February 2007 (UTC)''


 * Am I correct in thinking that you are claiming that Mistaken Memories... uses music from On Land instead of from Music for Airports? I don't consider your first removal of the item to be vandalism, although you should always use an edit summary, especially when removing text.  Instead of reverting a second time, I would recommend discussing the issue on the talk page.  I see that you posted something about this on the talk page, but it took me a few minutes to understand what you wrote there.
 * I don't have access to Mistaken Memories..., but the Rykodisc site states that the video uses music from both albums. If so, then it is not inappropriate to have the item on Music for Airports, although it might be better to have a shorter mention on both pages and maybe a stub article for Mistaken Memories... itself indicating that it uses music from both. Michael Slone (talk) 03:46, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

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I think you'll find that numerous editors have had problems understanding you and your various suspected sockpuppet accounts - which is not surprising seeing as they all seem to have a habit of mis-spelling the exactly same words in exactly the same way, when making exactly the same sorts of comments, on exactly the same articles. Should prove most interesting when a checkuser request is done. --Gene_poole 02:55, 1 March 2007 (UTC)


 * You are wrong¸ sorry.--Doktor Who 03:00, 1 March 2007 (UTC)


 * I moved your request back to WP:ANI and responded there. Mango juice talk 18:30, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

Commas
Why is it that you're using a cedilla in place of a comma in some of your comments?— Ryūlóng ( 竜龍 ) 07:16, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Thank you for reporting to me this prob, my computer's ports were malfunctioning, indeed I didn't write at all for several days, though I edited using copy and paste a few times.--Doktor Who 16:34, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

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RE: Wikipedia is not a blog, webspace provider, or social networking site
Hello, Herr Doktor.

I saw your note on my talk page. This is OK. You can delete. Genesis | Please sell England by the pound*** | on 11:55, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

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What's going on?
Hey Dr Who!

What's goin' on? Are you leaving? Genesis | Please sell England by the pound*** | on 13:43, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Not for now, I'm back, though I'll be here for just few minutes for 4 or 5 times each week.--Doktor Who 19:12, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
 * OK. I thought you were leaving. Genesis | Please sell England by the pound*** | on 14:21, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

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Take a raincheck
I don't care if you call yourself Sky-surfer, Brian_G._Wilson or Doktor Who; you're certainly not fooling anyone in that regard - so best you calm down, stop the hysterics and personal attacks and comply with Wikipedia policies and guidelines. You'll find it much easier to get along with others here if you do. --Gene_poole 23:42, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
 * You are the only person that can't stand that three users (beside me, Parzival and Milo) do not agree with your POV regarding those topics. You'd better report me to a checkuser, if you really suspect that I'm any of those other users that you're mentioning. And there is no rules that I'm breaking.--Doktor Who 09:25, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Hello Dr Who... in case you haven't seen it yet, I thought you'd want to know that GP has posted a report on these pages:


 * Requests for comment/User conduct


 * Requests for comment/Doktor Who


 * Although the RFC specifically names you, he also complains that Cricket and Milo and me, plus two other users I have had no interactions with, Sky-Surfer and Brian G. Wilson, are all sock-puppets of each other.


 * So far, the RFC has not been certified, so no response or other action is needed. If you are asked to respond at some point, it would be a good idea to consult with other editors first, to make sure your English comes across as you intend in your response.


 * I recommend that you avoid replying to any communications from GP about you. Whatever he says about you, don't take his comments personally.  If you are editing an article and he makes a comment about the article that needs a reply so the editing can continue, just stick to the article topic only and ignore anything personal he says about you. Remember that his problems are his problems, not yours. It doesn't matter what he thinks about you.  Don't let him make you angry, just let it go.  I (and others too) appreciate your interesting contributions to the music articles. Parzival418 08:58, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

Re:Wikiproject Rock music
Hey, not a problem. I'm busy in real life too, army training, school, home responsibilities and friends etc.. So we're both guilty of not being very active on Wikipedia. I hope you can solve your problems with this "long term cyberstalker". I wish you luck in punching him in the face, physically or metaphorically, because people like do that kind of shit obviously have issues. Cheers. -- Reaper  X  19:15, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

New Age music
[...]Milo 11:38, 30 March 2007 (UTC)


 * In that case I d better stop editing at all. It's unworth to spend my precious time to make a honest search, analyze and compare data, and finally get every effort reverted. Please note also that my reverts contributed to stop vandal edits several times, see the link in my user page for evidence.Doktor Who 13:25, 30 March 2007 (UTC)


 * "finally get every effort reverted" That's not unique to you. That's just Wikipedia. Maybe 100% of what I entered at Space music is gone. [...] Milo 01:24, 31 March 2007 (UTC)


 * I had a sort of career in real world's politics, more than a decade ago, so, I didn't learn anything new here, but please tell me what makes the kids unhappy with my edits. I like most of music, including heavy metal, punk, jazz, classical music, world music... I'm not a fanatic of a genre, therefore I can't understand the dozens of fanatics that are here and that ignore even the most elementary rules of semeiotics. I can't take care of their feelings. Many words used by young people are just slang, it happens everywhere. I can't understand why we have to tolerate their language here and pretend that it is "encyclopedic". --Doktor Who 02:02, 31 March 2007 (UTC)


 * [...]Milo 01:24, 31 March 2007 (UTC)


 * I'm not sure of what you mean, anw I'll make my own books and sites, and I'll get them accredited by the academic community, becouse I can do that.Doktor Who 02:02, 31 March 2007 (UTC)


 * [...]Milo 01:24, 31 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Huh??? What are you talking about? Did I miss some previous message, maybe? --Doktor Who 02:02, 31 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Ok, with communications problems arising, I know from previous experiences that I can't really fix them, so I will politely delete and retreat. You tell me that you didn't like something I told you, so I apologize for making you unhappy. Fortunately, this is Wikipedia where mistakes can be corrected, and I've deleted the parts of my posts that you might not have liked or didn't understand. I had intended no further comments anyway, as those are best done by advocates and mentors with more time than I have. Also, I'm sincerely glad that you have future things worked out for yourself and don't need my advice — so I beg off from further dialog here. I wish you well. :) Milo 03:39, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

Oh, no, you do not really need to delete your post, I was unable to fully understand cos I thought that I had lost or misunderstood some previous messages. Anw, do you want to help Parzifal to complete his/her edits with such music articles? Doktor Who 04:29, 31 March 2007 (UTC)


 * "do you want to help Parzifal to complete his/her edits with such music articles" Parzifal and I last crossed paths at Talk:New Age music where Parzifal was posting in "#External link seems to be advertising ...", Cricket and I consensed removal, and Parzifal did the first rm of newagepiano.net. Gene reverted newagepiano.net a full 3RRs and logged all your counter reverts to his RFC/U page on you. The WP:3RR guide wants to see some other editors doing those reverts to prove consensus, so tommorrow or whenever, I should be next to do one or two reverts along with Parzifal (or Cricket if he's willing). Milo 05:57, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

Re: Hello
Haha, no worries, my first little anomaly in behaviour for April Fools dude. Cheers. -- Reaper  X  21:54, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

RE: Sting
Thanks for the note, I responded inline on my discussion page. --Claygate 17:37, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

an FYI for you
Thought you would like to know...as an active member of the Pink Floyd project. Currently a rather arrogant POV editor (with VERY poor writing skills) has attempted a hijack of the Led Zeppelin article. The editor(editing as an IP) has been rv'd and the article temporarily semi-protected. He seems to have set his sights (perhaps as a vendetta) on purging the current FA status'd Pink Floyd article and reducing it to a fancruft page similar to his attempts on the LZ article. I have 2 admins watching over him but it will take due diligence by regular editors to maintain the current status of these "target" articles. The editor attempted to blank most of the Pink Floyd lead-in section which I rv'd. Perhaps you could rally some of the regular Pink Floyd editors/project members to try and quell any of the pending "quality kill" that the article may be facing. I can direct you to the Admins who are eyeing this situation should you require any assistance and I am not around to see what is going on. Good luck. 156.34.142.110 17:40, 3 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Hi 156.34.142.110, Dr. Who is a music researcher, so please ask him music questions. IMHO, it's ok for Dr. Who to quietly help make consensed edits at Led Zeppelin, but please don't ask him to take a lead in content struggles that could turn into edit wars for which he might get blamed. Dr. Who has previously been the target of harassment and personal attacks for doing such things. The smaller genres need Dr. Who to keep a low profile, to avoid distractions or worse if you ask him to do things for which he doesn't have expert EFL language skills. Since Led Zeppelin has a zillion fans, and therefore many editors willing to help repel a single IP with POV, I doubt it will be the disaster that you suggest. Yes, I like Led Zeppelin, too. Good luck. Milo 01:13, 4 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Hello 156.34.142.110, many thanks for your message. After my usual-almost-daily edits, I'm studying the matter, and am trying to see what is undergoing in that editor's minds, I want to understand whether his trolling is a reaction against misunderstandings, or he is here just for his fun. You said "vendetta". What would he/she be revenging for?Doktor Who 01:47, 4 April 2007 (UTC)


 * No need to fret Milo, I wasn't asking Dok to "join the fray". After the belligerent editor was blocked from ruining the LZ article, he seemed to turn his sights on other music articles that have featured status. In his talk:LZ rants he named several FA articles which he personally felt were garbage(they're not...he's just an idiot) and so these articles may become targets of the user if he continues to be blocked from editing Led Zeppelin. I asked 2 admin acquaintances to watch that article so I believe it is safe. But Dume7/IP 71.X may decide to set his sights on destroying a different article, and yesterday he certainly tried by blanking the PF lead-in. I have had brief conversations with Dok in the past about a Pink Floyd related article so I knew him to be a dedicated member of the Pink Floyd project. I wanted to alert him(and a few other active members) of the potential edits to the PF article which would likely result in the article losing it's FA status.(you would easily understand if you read the users edits to the LZ article...they are bad-almost to the point of insulting. A 10 year old child has better writing skills). And Doc in answer to your question...I don't feel Dume7 has a vendetta against PF or the article specifically. Just that it is a music related FA and he thinks it doesn't deserve it because it isn't loaded with POV praising fancruft. He does not feel Wikipedia's policies should be followed and that the articles should be written with more "poetic emotion" and ignore rules like NPOV, citation, no weasel words, no original research....etc. And this sort of "above the law" attitude is causing a lot of problems. The editor has even gone so far as to alter the wording of posts from other users on the LZ discussion page. And should he continue to do this he will likely be blocked. Keep up the good work with the PF project Dok. Hopefully Dharmabum will return to Wiki full time soon. I believe he was dedicated to the Floyd project. But got fed up with all of the other foolishness that goes on around here. I've seen many good and noble editors turn their backs on Wikipedia. I, myself, walked away from my username over a year ago. But I am good at reverting vandalism(it's easy to spot in the recent changes list). And you don't need a username to do that. Have a nice day Dok!(and you too Milo) 156.34.142.110 12:50, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Thank you again, 156.34.142.110. Your message is very welcome and fully understood, I'll maintain the PF articles as well as others related to music topics and artists. Hopefully I don't have to engage revert war and left alone by others, it would be very sad and embarassing.
 * You say that we have already talked in the past? Sorry, I can't remember that at the moment.... so, you used a username those days and then you left it? Too bad.   :(   I hope you'll change your mind, anw I can understand you, indeed I almost left wikipedia in october/november 2006, and some weeks ago I was considering to leave again forever due to harrassment.--Doktor Who 22:51, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Saw your comment on the Deep Purple talk page. I replied there but I realy should've replied here...which I am doing now. I am the same editor from the conversation above. Just wanted to let you know that so you would be more comfortable with who was involved in the DP conversation regarding genre. My AGF is that your own AGF has not been stretched too thin from your other 'wiki-troubles'. Above you said you couldn't remember our previous conversation. It was very minor to do with adding a good solo sample to the David Gilmour article box. I thought your suggestions were perfect. I just haven't got around to implementing them yet. You have to be logged in to do that and that goes against my staunch anon creed. I will bend soon though and follow up on it. Good luck with your other 'wiki-annoyances' I admire your patience. Our old friend Dharmabum got fed up and left. I really hope you stick around. The PF project needs some leadership. I can think of no one better. Have a nice day. 156.34.215.139 17:11, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject Alternative music and sources
As part of the Alternative music WikiProject, we're gathering a list of sources on this page. Could you take a look and perhaps add any written references you have access to? Thanks! CloudNine 10:01, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Many thanks for your invitation. As I do not currently live in a English-speaking country, most of my books and magazines are not in English. Anw, I added a "Q" issue, soon I'll<ad a Rolling Stone, both aged more than 15 years. :)

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You think WikiProject PF is almost dead?
I was just looking at Dharmabum's talk page, and saw that. I'm just asking you that since your kinda the leader of the project. --ASDFGHJKL=Greatest Person Ever+Coolest Person Ever 01:11, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Yup, well, I've realized that most of editors are doing a good job with PF-related articles, anyway I wish we may discuss further improvements at the WP PF talk page.--Doktor Who 11:20, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

Warning
This is your first and last warning to stop vandalising my talk page. Do it again and I'll report you. Given that I now know that you're located near Milan, and have clear evidence of your recent co-ordinated abuse of the 3RR using anonymous IP edits combined with multiple sock accounts. You will eventually be blocked; it's simply a matter of time. --Gene_poole 01:24, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I hope if he follows through with the threat that it will expose his persistent, childish vandalism and get him and his meatpuppet blocked. Harvardy 01:30, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I've just reported him and that Davidpdx. It's Time to bann the greatest trolls of this site. Doktor Who 01:32, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
 * This should put an end to their vandalism on my user page. Thank you. Harvardy 02:04, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Think again. As it is clear that both of you see yourselves as above the WP law, I will now make it my business to see that you are both brought to account for your repeated policy violations. --Gene_poole 02:41, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I will ignore u whenever it is possible, cos you don't deserve my time, but I will report you everytime you try to to fool somebody. Doktor Who 10:46, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

Message On My Talk Page
Please cease leaving messages on my talk page. Any further messages will be considered harrassment. Davidpdx 09:14, 13 April 2007 (UTC)


 * I'll stop whenenever you, but mainly Gene Poole, will stop trolling and vandalizing this site. None is above Wikipedia laws, you are not an admin, so please stop tagging Harvardy's user page with inappropriate tags.--Doktor Who 10:39, 13 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Dok, please honor Davidpdx's request to not post to his user talk page. You may want the same courtesy from others. I know that I do.
 * Given that the admins are suspicious of Harvardy, Davidpdx may think he's a good guy for tagging, even if he and GP have gone about it in a disruptive way. Quit while you are ahead. You don't want to get on the wrong side of this situation. That will just help GP.
 * As a matter of personal politics, you should want to persuade Davidpdx that he should not emulate or support GP's tendentious actions. One way to do that is to not equate him with GP. Let him back away from confrontation with you. You could politely suggest here, that it's not in his interest to be viewed by the community as being just like GP. Give him a chance to rethink the wisdom of that alignment, independent of his opinion of Harvardy.
 * I hope this helps. Milo 20:47, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks, but do not worry, I'm changing my mind on Davidpdx, for example he reverted my warnings here, but also explained his reasons, so I haven't reported him. I'm not going to report him, I assume his good faith, he's not going to follow GP's steps. After all, I discovered that GP is a blatant indef-blocked sockmaster thanx to D. and H. I'm very grateful to both. :) . --Doktor Who 21:16, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

Wikibreak
I've got exams happening at the moment (which means I haven't as responsive to messages as usual); I'd better revise :) Nothing more sinister. CloudNine 14:59, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Ok, good :D, maybe you could consider the template  .--Doktor Who 15:11, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

Smoke on the Water, Gallileo and stuffs
Just a few words to thank you for your nice message. Glad to see that my point of view and my metaphor made sense at least for someone. Anyway nice to meet you. Well, forgive my english, this is not my mother's tongue. Greetings. Frédérick Duhautpas 20:13, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

==Doctor Who logo==

Dok, click on the little boxes in the lower right-hand corner of the image and check the fair use rules at Image:Doctor_Who_colorful_diamond_logo.png#Fair use rationale for Doctor Who, History of Doctor Who and Fourth Doctor ("Any other uses of this image, on Wikipedia ..."). You'll either need to write a commentary on the BBC's Doctor Who show to accompany the image, or substantially pastiche the image in an image processor. For the latter, you would need to study examples of what amount of change is needed to legally pastiche artwork. Milo 21:46, 14 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Yup, thx for advice. I'm going to delete it for now, but I would like to re-post after I've changed that "c" into a "k", so it will be Doktor Who.Doktor Who 23:08, 14 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Er... that's why I made the point about needing to study legal art pastiches. Just changing one letter like that isn't legal, because it's clearly a derivitive of the original work. Could you get away with that on your own web site? Maybe, maybe not, but this is global Wikipedia, and there's big money at stake in maintaining strict copyright legality here. Here's the law on derivitives explained at Wikimedia Commons: Commons:Derivative works. Also see the ok-to-upload determination alogrithm in the sidebar.
 * Now, a parody is different. If you parody the image, you probably may use it even though it's a derivitive. The U.S. Supreme Court standard for parody is:
 * "Justice Souter stated that the threshold question involving a parody fair-use defense 'is whether a parodic character may reasonably be perceived. ... It is this joinder of reference and ridicule that marks off the author's choice of parody from the other types of comment and criticism that traditionally have had a claim to fair use protection as transformative works.' --Parody: Fair Use or Copyright Infringement"
 * Does changing the "C" to a "K" ridicule the Doctor Who show? I don't see how, so that's probably just a derivitive. However, for example, if you change the the "C" to a "K" and overlay a raspberry tongue somewhere on the image, then it's clearly a ridicule and thus a fair use parody derivitive. Adding the right kind of comical eyeballs and eyebrows mocking a characteristic Doctor Who expression might work also. Milo 03:07, 15 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Well, the Doctor Who is a British character, I cannot imagine anything more British than him and his Tardis. My "Doktor", with its "K", may refer to a sort of German-British Doc, that likely the Brits would end up to denigrate or hate, or take as a cool joke; also, that "K" would make me think to "King", or "Key".... In other words, I'd say parodic, definitely.
 * Maybe I'll post an Aphex Twin pic, with his "evilish" smile.Doktor Who 03:37, 15 April 2007 (UTC)


 * I see your point, but Wiki-politically, you don't want to cast yourself in the role of Doctor Who's evil twin. :)
 * On the other hand, if you write misspelled parody text under the "K" logo, claiming it to be the TV show of Doctor Who's funy foren twin who cant spel rite, that could work well for you being noticeably ESL. Milo 05:32, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

use of administrator notice board and other procedures
Hi Doc... I just wanted to check in with you about the comment you added to the notice board after the original incident was archived. I'm not upset about it, no worries, but I do think that was not the correct thing to do. If I had wanted my comment to pop out and be visible there, I would have put it there. But that particular incident is not on the radar any more, so my added comment was only backup in case someone reviews it later as part of some other complaint.

I suggest you take a more precise approach with administrative reporting pages. If you read the information at the top of the admin notice board, it states that those incident reports are only for issues requiring immediate action by an administrator - like what happened with Harvady's page needing protection. The admin notice board can't help with ongoing behavior disputes that require lots of investigation and comments. For that, you'd need something like what Gene tried with his RFC/U. But even one of those would probably not be appropriate, because those are for solving specific disputes when multiple editors have tried and failed.

With Gene, there is not one specific dispute that can be analyzed and decided, it's just his overall bad behavior that's setting you on edge. The most important thing to do is to not write or take any action about him when you feel angry or frustrated. Just ignore his insults and threats. If you can't stand it and you have to do something, instead of writing, put his picture on a punching bag and punch it until you get tired. Then take some deep breaths and decide whether or not you even need to reply.

If he does something that's clearly against the rules and requires and administrator to intervene, then you would need to read the guides to figure out exactly where to place your complaint. But make absolutely sure it's what you want to do. He's very smart and has lots of time to plot and plan and develop lists of links and diffs to make things look different than they are. Is that really how you want to spend your time?

Just let it go, try to laugh about it, and focus on editing articles. If he says somthing that drives you nuts, ignore it and talk to the other editors on that page instead. After a while, it will be obvious to everyone where the trouble is coming from. But if you let him get an emotional response from you, then it will be harder for people to see that the trouble is coming from him.

You might also try checking out this page and contacting some of the people there for help in deciding what to do when you get frustrated: Editor assistance. There seem to be some very experienced users there offering to help out with problems.

Focus on editing music articles, you're good at that. Forget about Gene Poole. Let him bicker with himself. The only way he can bicker with you is if you let him. --Parzival418 00:33, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

Name-calling and incivility at talk:Post-Ambient
Welcome to Wikipedia. We invite everyone to contribute constructively to our encyclopedia. However, we remind you not to attack other editors. Please comment on the contributions and not the contributors. Take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia. --Gene_poole 05:09, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Funny how you can dish it out liberally but not take one little negative comment on how dark and foolish your imaginary empire looks, "Emperor George". George, you are the greatest hypocrite I have witnessed on Wikipedia. If you were not such a prolific, articulate editor you would have been toast long ago. The writing is on the wall, your mean spirit, hypocracy and hubris will bring you down. Harvardy 05:19, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

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