User talk:Doktor Who/Archive05-2007Jul-2007Dec

Onechectomy
I saw you are in the Animal Rights WP and was wondering if you are against Declawing animals or Onychectomy? The userbox is located at

So just copy the title as you are viewing and put it with the and w/o the   to your userpage. -PatPeter 18:36, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

Music Genre article
Hi Doktor Who

I already replied to your notes on my talk page. Then I noticed the Unreferenced tag you added at Music genre and that you referred to "fanzines crap" in your edit summary. I just wanted to let you know that the changes on that article were not done all at once. There is an editor User:TimNelson who's been doing a lot of work organizing music projects, and he's been discussing the changes, not doing them on his own. He's a good guy, and I suggest you try discussing with him in a friendly way. I think he would be interested in your comments and would welcome your help, so please don't assume he's an adversary.

We do need references on those definitions about fusional origins of genres, do you know where we could find references about that?

Either way, that work was all done in good faith and with discussion, so please give Tim a chance and don't assume he's like some of the other music editors you've had trouble with who don't know what they're doing.

Thanks. --Parsifal Hello 20:17, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

RE: On Veganism
Thank you!!! I have been putting off responding to repeat, just been too busy, but yes I agree people just don't know how to do it right. -PatPeter 02:55, 11 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Feel free to reply to him on User talk:Repeat2341, I have only been a vegan for about a year now so I don't know all the answers, my mom knows a lot about it like how chemicals in meat kills calcium as an example. -PatPeter 03:28, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

Space music
Please bring your concerns about content and sources to the talk page. Thanks. &mdash;Viriditas | Talk 01:16, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

Music, intelligent dance music
Cheer up and smile, it's a wonderful world. I also got some depression after come here. Why will people make something important that is not considered much in the sources? The reason I discovered is the personal investment that the editor has made, I think. The editor invested their time in the music and became in a group of friends in the IDM internet discussion list or the other fan group of music. They found happiness on that island, so if we don't react the same importance then they think we are attacking them closely for personal reason. I got the same feeling some time, then I will read and keep the source and writing very good, hopefully. "Bloody hell", there is another generation of music fans, and he is very popular here, I don't understand him. Have a good day, even when the rain and wind come. It's a sad time for me now. ^-^ ! ♪ ☆☆★☆ nobu --Susume-eat 11:35, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes, I know that young editors may think that I'm attaching them. My point is that this is an encyclopedia that aims to be a serious site, and not an indiscriminate collection of facts paetaining to popular culture. IDM and other similar articles that I recently tagged with a WP:OR template refer to musical scenes and/or musical movements, or to different styles within a same genre, and are not new musical genres. We have just less than 10 real musical genres, in musicology; IDM, and the various atmospheric forms of rhythmic music are just subgenres of pop->technopop. I am a fan of Aphex Twin, The orb and many others since early 1990s. just i find them more similar to Kraftwerk, notthing to do with Brian Eno. According to musicological and academic methods this music should be called just "Technopop", or "Instrumental Technopop", or "1990s Wave of Technopop". Every kind of music can be "danced with", even the so called "discomusic and "dance music" should be called just "rhytmic pop" or whatever, haha. I would appreciate if you could forward to other users that I'm not trolling your world. I'm taking this site seriously. ^_^. Doktor Who 12:01, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Ya, I saw you in Aphex Twin talk page. Really some other boys came, they are from messageboards. They are so different beyond reality. Really I was angry, but be friends is best. I change IDM in response to you. What do you think? The boys told me IDM is very popular and I looked for many sources, sometimes I find last.fm or another joke. I showed them 40 newspaper articles for Aphex Twin (no idm), really they ignored it. I was shocked. I expect it, this is their culture for them, really, what is it for Aphex Twin? Not much, only on the sides. The only source for Idm is "oh, I HATE IDM grr!!" also other source is some fanzine or myspace or facebook..... ^-^ fufu, ^-^ ! ♪ ☆☆★☆ nobu

Your note
I've left a comment, but it does look problematic. Best to have a word directly with the blocking admin. Sorry I can't be of more help. SlimVirgin (talk) (contribs) 21:29, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

History of Electronic Music
Please join to Electronic art music discuccion talk! I will support you --Susume-eat 05:57, 17 August 2007 (UTC) Talk:Electronic_art_music Now here: Talk:Electronic_music
 * You have been fast, the article has moved, and as you can see from my past messages, I fully support such move--Doktor Who 08:02, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

Cosmic Disco
Hi - I received your note and looked at the article. I've never heard of that kind of music. I'm not sure if it should have an article or not. One of the references they list quotes a DJ saying he doesn't think it's a genre. But the term does seem to be used about that music scene in 1980's Italy. I'd say, it's not very notable, but it could be enough for an article if someone finds more real references. What do you think? --Parsifal Hello 06:09, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
 * The article was named Cosmic music up to yesterday, I moved it to its current location, but I'm not sure if it is the most appropriate title. I would support a merge with Space disco, just as a note, or a full deletion. Space disco was a common term in Italy during late 1970s-early 1980s, and referred to Giorgio Moroder, Dee D. Jackson, and hits by Rockets (a French band) and Kraftwerk. Doktor Who 08:02, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I think a Space disco article would be good to have, if you want to write it. --Parsifal Hello 08:24, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
 * The article's current name is Space Disco, sorry for mistyping. That Cosmic disco stuff must be deleted, also not that the mentioned dj now redirects to Space music, I'm not sure let me check, they made a big mess, I'm wasting too much time...Doktor Who 08:46, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
 * It's OK, I fixed it. It redirects to Space disco now. I also changed the title from Space Disco to Space disco according to the manual of style WP:MOS --Parsifal Hello 08:56, 17 August 2007 (UTC)


 * You redirected it again to Space music. Why did you do that?  Do you have references that show "Cosmic music" is used for that?--


 * Maybe it would be better to just delete "Cosmic music" . The right way to do that would be to restore the article and then put a PROD tag on it.  After a few days it will be gone.  The way you did it now isn't really fair to the people who worked on it, since it doesn't give them a chance to discuss it they have references or not.  What do you think? --Parsifal Hello 09:32, 17 August 2007 (UTC)


 * I thought it is obvious that 'cosmic' and 'space' refers to the same thing. You are still in the wrong-minded scheme, you believe that you can deal with music genres as they were copyrighted slogans. It is blatantly untrue. Only ppl with no serious academic background can believe that (I suspect that Wikipedia is a bad idea, and that only ppl with a Phd or an equivalent professional expertise should edit an encyclopedic site). Anyway, I support your idea, I would restore the article and then tag it. --Doktor Who 09:44, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

Personal attack
Hmm, some people :( make me feel sad sometime --Susume-eat 22:39, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
 * more personal attacks :-(
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Denaar
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Unint
 * fufufu I need to ignore this crazy, just get on with the job of editing and being bold and trying to work my best ^-^ god it makes me depressed but i gotta just cheer up BE HAPPY!! --Susume-eat 23:00, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

Techno reference
Hi - I'm your friendly neighborhood Wikiadministrator... just wanted to let you know that I searched by ISBN for the book that you listed on AN/I, and got one: Music and Technoculture (Music/Culture) Release: 2003-09 Publisher: Tandem Library Format: Hardcover ISBN: 0613912500 EAN: 9780613912501 List Price: $39.60

At least on the surface, that appears to be a valid reference.

PS - it might not be a bad idea to apologize for the edit summary where you said "bad faith troll-acting"- Philippe &#124; Talk 04:12, 20 August 2007 (UTC)


 * It doesnt show me. have you checked the links I posted?? What does that mean that you are "my" wikiadministrator? Is it a threat, such as "believe us or we will bann/block you indefinitely"?)Doktor Who 04:20, 20 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Goodness, calm down. No, I'm not threatening you.  I'm just telling you that as an administrator, I checked the situation, and found an ISBN that matched.  All I did was copy the number into Google with ISBN before it, and it pulled referneces.  Then I checked a library tool, just to be sure, and it was there.  I did check the links you posted, and I'm sorry, but I think your search was in error.  The reference checks out.  As a fellow editor, I know that emotions run hot sometimes, so sometimes the best bet is to have a cup of tea and walk away.  The reference is good.  Unless there's something else wrong with it, there's no reason it can't stay in the article.  - Philippe &#124; Talk 04:34, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

PROD is not for redirects
I have removed the prod tag from Cosmic disco, which you proposed for deletion, because the page you proposed for deletion was not an article, user page, or user talk page. If you still think the page should be deleted, please don't add the prod template back to it, as proposed deletion is only for articles, user pages, and user talk pages. Instead, consider using WP:RFd for this page. In some cases, a speedy deletion criterion may apply. Thanks! Actually if the now target is deleted, the redirects can be deleted speedily.Tikiwont 14:43, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Blocked
I have blocked you for 48 hours for threats of violence and generally disruptive comments such as you made here. When your block expires please a.)refrain from EVER EVER threatening anyubody on this project ever again with real world violence.  Next time it will be INDEF and I am fairly sure you will not get unblocked.  b.)consider contributing in a manner that is civil and promotes discourse. Thanks! Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 17:23, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
 * There is discussion going on at ANI as whether to lengthen your block. In regards to your email, I will not unblock your or change your block.  It is not a joke to threaten to beat people.  Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 17:38, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Unblock

 * Dear administrators, please revise my block. It was obvious that I was kidding, please note that at Susume-eat talk page as well at Parsifal's one, some of us apparently insulted each other or threat each other, but we were all kidding. The real issue is that other editors did nothing to calm down us when things began to appear a bit more serious. Indeed, they just fuelled the fire, and that has been very unkind and disruptive.

sincerely Doktor Who 17:42, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
 * you may wish to use the unblock template or nobody may find this request. Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 17:44, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
 * many thanks, Chris. I'll follow your advice. :) Doktor Who 17:49, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Your unblock request
In the interests of getting you a fair hearing, I'm not going to actually review and decline your unblock request, but I'd like to point out one thing: you have shown a distinct lack of accountability. For instance, the phrases "It is obvious that I was kidding" and "other editors did nothing to calm us down" don't show a great deal of understanding that you are responsible for the things that you say on-wiki. Rather, it shows that you want other editors to be responsible for what you say. Take responsibility, and your case would get a lot farther, I think... - Philippe &#124; Talk 18:09, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I used the word "kbeat" as an intentional funny (I believed so) way to mis-write the word "beat", the letter "k" is a clear reference to the "k" in "Doktor",; maybe my almost british (i am trying) humour is not evident, and is likely misunderstood. Apologies if such behaviour may have actually hurted someone. In the future, after my wikibreak, I'll avoid such way of kidding, even if some funny user will try again to involve me in such actions. I will no longer write so much in talk pages, I understand that I cant master properly informal English. Nothing personal against you of course, and many thanks for your kindness.  Doktor Who 18:24, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
 * See, now, as far as I'm concerned, that's MUCH better. My advice to you at this point: wait out the block, then come back with a fresh start and make another go at it.  - Philippe &#124; Talk 18:27, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm very happy and grateful that I've been unblocked, and many thanks again for your advice, your politeness and your sincere tone. ^_^ ---Doktor Who 18:40, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Invitation back to Talk:Electronica
Hi Doktor Who. I've been following the ANI proceedings, and I'm happy to see that things appear to be resolved more amicably above. I'd just like to add that I didn't understand the apparent intended humor in your statements - it looked a lot more like a typo to me, so if you genuinely didn't intend that to be a threat, then I certainly accept your apology as well. In general, I'd like to advise you to consider how it looks to others before you post it - we can't tell what you're thinking, so if it looks like a threat (even meant in humor), we usually have no choice but to treat it as such.

That said, I'd like to invite you back to the discussion at Talk:Electronica when you're ready. (If you're still upset over what's happened in the last 24 hours, I'd advise waiting for a little while.) I'll do my best to facilitate open discussion about the content in that article, and I'll try to mediate it so that if things do start getting heated again, you'll have someone there who can help keep it cool and civil. I'd like to reiterate that I'm on nobody's side here - I'm a neutral third party, and if I see evidence of uncivil behavior or WP:OWN violations by Parsifal or anyone else in the discussion, I will similarly admonish them.

You do have some good points regarding the content issues on Electronica - whether it can be called an official music genre or what not - and I'd like to encourage you to make your points on those issues in the article. You'll be best received in this discussion by (a) making sure that you focus only on the content and not talking about the other editors, and (b) finding and citing references to back up your arguments. For instance, if you know of an official publication, a website that is regarded as an authority on musicology, etc., that states that Electronica is not accepted as a genre, then cite it - provide a link, a title, an author, etc., so that the other editors can go verify it. Remember that everything on Wikipedia must be verifiable.

Do be prepared for people to counter your arguments, too. Just as you have good points on the subject, I'm sure that others will as well. The point here is to move toward consensus. Right now, there seems to be an established consensus on the subject, so you may have an uphill battle ahead of you to change that. But consensus can be changed - it is not uncommon for a consensus to have been reached on incorrect information.

Thanks, and good luck. &mdash; KieferSkunk (talk) &mdash; 18:53, 20 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Hello KieferSkunk, your above msg is very welcome, I've read it carefully. I'm not going to be involved in such articles for now, I have to work on tasks that I began in some music-related wikiproject that I joined (not the Electronic music wikiprojeact, of course). Thank you again for your invitation, it is very much appreciated.Doktor Who 19:22, 20 August 2007 (UTC)


 * No problem. See, we're not all bad. :) Like I said, when you're ready.  The page will likely still be there. &mdash; KieferSkunk (talk) &mdash; 20:20, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Lotta Love article
Images of album covers can ONLY be used in articles about the specific album. Use otherwise is fair use abuse. For further information, see Non-free content and go down to images. That is my rationale for removing the image. Thank you. --AEMoreira042281 04:05, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Music technology project
I think that'd be a great idea; there would be some crossover with some smaller ones like WikiProject Synthesizers and professional sound production, but there are still some topics which aren't wikiproject covered. Could be a sort of top level project. Should we propose one? - Zeibura (Talk) 03:03, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
 * That'd make sense. the PSP project seems to cover acoustics and studio equipment, but it would definitely be good to have a top level project. If you want to propose it at the wikiproject council, go ahead. I won't be around much for the next couple of days as I won't have internet access, but I'll probably step in to the uni library at some point. - Zeibura (Talk) 22:29, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

Yuri's COI
Hello Dr. Who. Thanks for looking at moodswinger. You are right about the {COI}, I'm aware of that problem when I add information. I want a subjective article, which is also usefull for experimental guitarists who explore prepared guitar techniques and third bridge-guitar, that's why the microtonal tables are so large. Your suggestion to help me is very good news. I will inform you when there is news about the Moodswinger. This won't be much I think. Most information usefull for other musicians is already in the article.


 * One important addition is missing: the instrument is used on Leather Prowler, track 3 of the new Liars (band) album. This cd is released 28-8-07, that's why this info isn't in the article currently.


 * On Third bridge-guitar someone erased all info about the moodswinger without any clear reason. I now think the text was a little too enthousiastic written be me, but removing the moodswinger completly from that topic while leaving in Brad's wonderful Pencilina is very strange. I've noticed this too at the discussion-page of third bridge-guitar, but it is not possible for me to revert this edit, without being accused of {COI}.

Your request to join editing sound-technology-related articles is welcome. My language barrier is one problem, but when you have questions about microtonality or physics related to sound I'll definately want to help you and edit the articles. Can you inform me, when you started this project group?YuriLandman 17:49, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

New Task
Hi, How do u want me to create this list? Ummagumma23 18:58 27 August 2007 (UTC).

I do not think User:Yamaka122 was committing a personal attack. Please assume good faith. I think his edits were just plain mistakes. Thedjatclubrock :) (T/C) 22:21, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

I apologize
I was not trying to offend you when I reverted that edit and was defiantly not trying to make a personal attack in anyway. I was working quickly while and saw Google bomb (I looked it op afterwards and saw what it was), and you are on the IRC channels Blacklist so I reverted it. But quickly saw it was not vandalism. I am very sorry about this and I hope you will forgive me. Cheers. Yamaka122 ... :)   22:27, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
 * IRC is probably better explained by the wikipedia article than I could ever explain it. Below is the report from the bot that monitors the blacklist. It should explain why you're on it

"Doktor_Who on blacklist, added by User:Chrislk02 at 17:21:15 20-Aug-2007 UTC, "Autoblacklist: threats of violence, general disruption. See thread at ANI", Expires 17:21:15 05-Sep-2007 UTC"

Yamaka122 ... :)   01:40, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Ah, ok, that episode was really funny, I got blocked for 1 hour, but very luckyly Chris understood my reasons, I posted some pseudo/faked threats of violence at talk:Electronica, but it was the result of a sequence of jokes among 3 editors, Susume-eat, Parsifal and me (see User talk:Parsifal and the number of faked warnings), that at a certain point seemed to be serious harrassment, just like children that start kiddin' and then they end up with hurting each other. Tomorrow I could post here some diffs, if you want, now I have to go, bye.Doktor Who 02:03, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I don't know how much of that was really a joke, but as long as it has been resolved that is good. I looked at the ANI threads and also the threads that contained many disputes between you and Gene_Pool, but as long as you learned a valuable lesson and are no longer in a disagreement with Gene_Pool I have remved you from the VCN blacklist. Happy editing Yamaka122 ...  :)   19:56, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

New task
Is what ive done ok? Ummagumma23 13:00 28 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Many thanks. ^_^ Anw, you dont need to hurry in this way. Doktor Who 12:17, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

:)
Thank you! Best regards, PeaceNT 15:43, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

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Pink Floyd Wikiproject
Yeah i want to help the project in moving foward. Want do u want to do? Ummmagumma23 10:09 30 August 2007 (UTC).

Hello
I will go to clinic and hospital. Electronic art music is changed to Electronic music (art) by my change. Is it ok? It looks good. ^-^ smile return 1 week from hospital--Susume-eat 10:21, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Parsifal is vandalising very much!!! Oh god the ugly and horrible hideous —Preceding unsigned comment added by Susume-eat (talk • contribs) 05:27, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Fender Wikiproject Proposal
If you are interested, please add you name here. Izzy007 Talk 23:19, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
 * No Problem Izzy007 Talk 23:48, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Here is the project page.Izzy007 Talk 23:32, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

Welcome to the Fender Musical Instruments Corporation WikiProject
Hi, I would like to welcome you to the Fender WikiProject. If you like you can add the userbox to your userpage. Thanks for joining!!! Izzy007 Talk 00:56, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

PF wikiproject
Mmm im somewhat concerned about the project since nothing has happened for a while. have u any ideas? Ummagumma23 21:08 25 September 2007 (UTC)

New! WikiProject Contemporary music
Hi, and thank you for expressing your interest in the proposed WikiProject Contemporary music here. The project now has a proposed project page at WikiProject Contemporary music. If you are still interested in contributing to this effort please add you name to the members list here. Thanks for your interest. Please feel free to make changes and suggestions. --S.dedalus 05:42, 11 October 2007 (UTC)