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Jeordie White
Think you could help me correctly incorporate the sections you blanked in article Jeordie White there's plenty of google evidence that he and Jessicka dated. I'd just like to word it correctly and also include the part about Gidget Gein. Any help would be appreciated. " Noticeably, most of Jeordie White’s signature early “Twiggy Ramirez“ look was taken directly from Jessicka and previous Manson bassist and Gidget Gein. " Swancookie (talk) 15:05, 20 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Hi, I think you have the wrong person, I only remove/revert vandalism, & , I think you are looking for User:Hullaballoo Wolfowitz, who is either removing or asking for reference for every other word within the article , , and also User:Snuppy . They are the one's that seem to have a problem with the article.   Doktor  Wilhelm   19:08, 20 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Hello, I just wanted to thank you as I noticed you've been helping with the Hullaballoo Wolfowitz situation. I had been editing the Clint Catalyst article for a while, but grew largely frustrated between the constant systematic deletions and personal attacks made on me for contributing content. Your efforts are appreciated. Granny Bebeb (talk) 00:21, 23 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Lol, no problem, I'm hoping what little I do helps atleast a tiny bit, there is no reason to gut the articles without any attempt to fix them.  Doktor  Wilhelm   15:36, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

Thank you for your help. Swancookie (talk) 16:53, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

To all editors dealing with article Jessicka/Hullballoo's aggressive edits
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Xtian1313#To_all_editors_dealing_with_article_Jessicka.2FHullballoo.27s_aggressive_edits Xtian1313 (talk) 20:10, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:William_M._Connolley#Hullaballoo_vs._a_group_of_editors_who_desire_to_expand_music_articles

Swancookie (talk) 16:29, 26 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Hullaballoo is still not stopping. He's still editing articles he believes related to Christian Hejnal or Jessicka. This is bordering on obsessively scary. What can we do to launch a full investigation more quickly?

 Swancookie (talk) 22:34, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

Help with problems between editors
What do I need to do to report a editor for what I believe is Gaming the system, in an attempt to undermine a few articles so that they can have them deleted?  Doktor  Wilhelm   16:58, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Can you give the user and the article?-- Gordonrox24 ''' &#124; Talk 17:05, 28 June 2009 (UTC)


 * As Swancookie mentions below, the editor is, and the main articles that I believe he has a problem with are Jessicka (and any article that mentions her, or her bands ) and Clint Catalyst. It seems on the surface that the editor is only trying to make the articles fit in with wikipedia policy (there's nothing that says an editor must attempt to fix article when they find a problem, just remove the bad content), but the way they are going about it appears to be very dubious when looked at a bit deeper. A few other editors seem to be having a lot of trouble with Hullaballoo Wolfowitz, and I'm just hoping I can seek somesort of review of Hullaballoo Wolfowitz behavior and actions.   Doktor  Wilhelm   17:44, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

user:Hullaballoo Wolfowitz is being accused by several editors (including myself) of uncivil behavior, article bias, wiki bullying, and might be a blocked user evading said block. ( He removes and aggressively edits anything linked to or mentioning articles Jessicka, her husband Christian Hejnal or an associate Clint Catalyst and uses policy to disguise that he is actually gaming the system. More evidence here from User:Dogtownclown Here : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Xtian1313#To_all_editors_dealing_with_article_Jessicka.2FHullballoo.27s_aggressive_edits & http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:William_M._Connolley#Hullaballoo_vs._a_group_of_editors_who_desire_to_expand_music_articles "I've recieved some off-wiki communication that strongly suggests we are likely dealing with a blocked user evading blocks. Why they are focused on these articles is beyond me but the uncivil conduct does not seem justified. I would be more swayed if we were dealing with slander than alleged puffery. -- Banjeboi 00:24, 27 June 2009 (UTC)"

And lastly here: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Edit_warring&diff=prev&oldid=298525932 Where User:Doktor_Wilhelm states what's been happening best. Swancookie (talk) 17:19, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

And back to the Jack Off Jill page he goes. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Hullaballoo_Wolfowitz Swancookie (talk) 21:31, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
 * In the unlikely event anybody decides to take this complaint seriously, I'd suggest they check out a few of the earlier rounds of this set of disputes


 * Talk:Clint_Catalyst
 * Administrators%27_noticeboard/IncidentArchive529
 * Administrators%27_noticeboard/IncidentArchive529
 * User_talk:Xtian1313
 * Sockpuppet_investigations/Hullaballoo_Wolfowitz/Archive
 * User_talk:Mayalld/Archive/2009/May
 * Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard/Archive64
 * Articles_for_deletion/Lenora_Claire
 * Administrators%27_noticeboard/Archive191
 * User_talk:POVbattler
 * Administrators%27_noticeboard/Archive193
 * Conflict_of_interest/Noticeboard/Archive_32
 * Administrators%27_noticeboard/IncidentArchive547

and take note not only of the uniform rejection of these complaints in the past, but of the fact that, for all the invective and accusations being thrown around about bias, malice, COI, etc., the complainers have yet to produce a shred of evidence supporting their accusations or any sign that the patterns of editing they complain about violates any Wikipedia policy or guideline. In fact, the continuous repetition of the same complaints in different forums, and the insistence on the ssme points in remarkably similar language and tone, by supposedly new users who show a peculiar familiarity with the details of the prior history of the disputes, certainly suggests an organized campaign of harassment which has already helped to drive away one of the editors targeted. [] Hullaballoo Wolfowitz (talk) 21:56, 28 June 2009 (UTC)


 * The reason why these are complaints are being made is because your behavior here is getting worse. I don't want to even try to edit articles for fear that once I do you'll be all over them unjustly ripping them apart!

Your new false accusation is editors User:Doktor_Wilhelm, user:Xtian1313, myself, user:Banjeboi, User:Dogtownclown,User:William_M._Connolley and User:Allstarecho are ALL lobbying against you? Are they all spas and socks too? The answer is no. Hullaballoo you aren't civil and you have exhibited behavior (cleverly masked of course) of bias towards certain articles. It's just taken awhile for other editors to catch on and see that you are indeed gaming the system. You should be above all reprimanded for your rudeness here. You make it difficult for any editor to deal with you. This isn't Hullaballo-pedia - it's wikipedia and it's the community that makes this place great not one person whom can't admit they are wrong, has some weird revenge mentality, and uses policy as a weapon not a tool. Swancookie (talk) 23:57, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

More help needed?
If there's additional help needed, please describe it succinctly with a new request below here, thanks. Jclemens (talk) 02:42, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

I still need help with this
I am not sure why my attempt to find help with this matter was closed?

What do I need to do to report an editor for what I believe is Gaming the system, in an attempt to undermine a few articles so that they can have them deleted, the editor is, and the main articles that I believe he has a problem with are Jessicka (and any article that mentions her, or her bands ) and Clint Catalyst. It seems on the surface that the editor is only trying to make the articles fit in with wikipedia policy (there's nothing that says an editor must attempt to fix article/refs when they find a problem, just remove the bad content), but the way they are going about it appears to be very dubious when looked at a bit deeper (includding calling edits Spam and Vandalism to avoid accusations of edit waring and reverting edits in several small edits to avoid 3RR). A few other editors seem to be having a lot of trouble with Hullaballoo Wolfowitz, but they have placed their complaints in the wrong places and have not been able to properly format their complaints, so I'm just hoping I can seek somesort of review of Hullaballoo Wolfowitz behavior and actions in these matters, placed in the correct place and to be looked at by someone outside of the matter. (Lol, hows that for succinct?)  Doktor  Wilhelm   11:29, 29 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Have you considered a Request for comment on user conduct? PhilKnight (talk) 12:51, 29 June 2009 (UTC)


 * After having these complaints run through various admin notice boards six times in the last few months, as well as various other discussions, cited above by me, and having them uniformly rejected, an RFC isn't likely to generate any different results; the community has made its view pretty clear. Doktor Wilhelm's complaints are particularly vacuous -- he's been posting over and over for the last week that the way I handled an image deletion/copyright violation matter proved I was acting maliciously -- even though the actions he objected to were quite clearly called for by WP:IUP.  He admits not having even read the relevant policy before making his posts.  It's really telling that the complainers concede that the editing they complain about doesn't violate any Wikipedia policies -- just that nasty people like The Big Bad Wolfowitz shouldn't be allowed to remove material that violates WP:BLP and WP:RS.  This dispute is really about the extent to which fans of various minor-league celebrities involved in the LA club scene should be allowed to control the relevant articles and bloat them up with unsourced, badly sourced, and OR-based promotional material. Hullaballoo Wolfowitz (talk) 13:45, 29 June 2009 (UTC)


 * I do believe Hullaballoo Wolfowitz maliciously removed the image (and attacking the uploader of the image) as part of an attempt to undermine articles, while using wikipedia policy as a sheild. And may I add that I have not seen any edits to "various minor-league celebrities involved in the LA club scene", only removal of content from articles relating to Musicians, Bands , Artists and even Language  relating to the Jessicka article. I do seriously believe that Hullaballoo Wolfowitz has some sort of vendeta going on, and that they are editing articles with bad intentions (as shown by their derogatory comments towards the subject).   Doktor  Wilhelm   14:51, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

I agree with User:Doktor_Wilhelm 100% The fact remains that besides Hullballoo's obvious bias when editing these articles, as user:Xtian1313 also stated: he's also calling editors socks, spas, fanboys, and vandals and referring to the articles these people are editing disparagingly, does not fall under these rules:


 * Be polite.
 * Assume good faith.
 * No personal attacks.
 * Be welcoming.

Why is his behavior being allowed? Swancookie (talk) 18:51, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

There appears to be a concerted effort between Hullaballoo Wolfowitz, Bigdaddy1981, and others to attack and dismantle "gay celebrity", "porn celebrity", and "LA celebrity" pages and that this has been going on for years (2006 as I can see from Hallaballoo's user history). These editors were completely unhelpful in improving, and absolutely unwilling to compromise their demands for deleting Lenora Claire, the more I improved the article the more belligerent and unmoving they became in their demands that the article be deleted. My ability to assume good faith in these editors could be restored if some administrators would take a careful look at the editing history and tagging pages for deletion history and assure me that I'm off base. Dogtownclown (talk) 02:34, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

I will weigh in on this as an objective editor who has recently encountered the sheer destructive power of Hullaballoo. Mr. Hullaballoo is a dangerous and disturbed individual whose sole contribution to Wikipedia is to make other editors' lives miserable by continually vandalizing articles and citing various Wiki "policies" as a basis for doing so. He is an expert at Wikilawyering and Gaming the System, as others have attested. His latest series of stunts involves spraying "citation needed" tags at the end of sentence after sentence after sentence in any article he comes across, insisting that each sentence must be "cited" but absolutely refusing to contribute the citations himself. When the matter is discussed, he has taken to deleting the discussions themselves as "harassment"! He has violated the "assume good faith" clause right and left, by insisting that anyone who reasonably disagrees with his destructive edits is either a sockpuppet or someone who is "harassing" him. He has been banned for bad behavior in the past, and I highly recommend that the admins do so again. His behavior is simply impermissible on Wikipedia and it must be stopped. When specific rule violations are cited to him, he deletes the discussions rather than rectifying his behavior. He simply appears to have no interest in being a productive member of the Wiki community and playing by the rules. We have all "assumed good faith" when initially encountering him; however, his volatility, temper, and refusal to adhere to accepted Wiki rules has led most of us to unfortunately realize this he is one of those editors with which you can simply no longer "assume" good faith. He operates in bad faith, plain and simple, and he appears to be proud of the fact that he gets away with it. For someone with as much time on his hands at the "local library" as he appears to have, one would think that he'd have the time to actually do some real research and actually contribute to Wikipedia in the from of real citations, rather than acting as a destructive editor by unscrupulously vandalizing anything he decides to. 69.231.235.233 (talk) 07:54, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Dispute resolution
You (the royal you) have all been told in many way, shapes, forms and blue links on how to get to dispute resolution. RfC, RfArb, MedCab. There are no amount of AN, AN/I, adminhelp templates or any other means that are going to achieve your end. This is a collaborative effort, building the encyclopedia. You must undertake a collaborative effort to come to a resolution with particular editors. Go to one of those three places and try to work it out. No single administrator is going to step in and decide who is right or wrong; on the contrary, administrators must uphold policy with community consensus. Administrator≠police, judge, and/or jury. Happy editing to all. Keegan (talk) 08:08, 30 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Doktor_Wilhelm you seem to be the one best versed on how wiki operates, would you mind starting a thread at one of these RfC, RfArb, MedCab places? Please post links to all editors involved so we may get this issue resolved onee and for all.

Swancookie (talk) 14:30, 30 June 2009 (UTC)


 * I'll see what I can do, I'll let everyone involved know once I've started it.  Doktor  Wilhelm   16:08, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

thank you- while you do that I'm going ask for a block user check. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:SSI Swancookie (talk) 03:52, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Mediation_Cabal/Cases/2009-07-1/Hullaballoo_Wolfowitz#Mediator_notes Swancookie (talk) 23:59, 2 July 2009 (UTC)


 * I'm still trying to improve the encyclopedic quality of the Clint Catalyst article, after several other editors have been bullied off. I just wanted to note that variety.com is a trade publication and NOT a blog, as previous references to his TV production credits have all been removed in a move apparently lacking a constructive motive. I am still looking for RS-solid sources (of which I am certain exist) for his screenwriting credits - as these two positions are among his most notable, I strongly feel it would be in the best interests of encyclopedic value to include these facts, with proper sourcing of course. Granny Bebeb (talk) 23:46, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

Help Desk
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report user conduct?
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?action=edit&preload=Template%3ARfCsubst&editintro=&summary=&minor=&title=Wikipedia%3ARequests+for+comment%2FUSERNAME&create=Create+User+Conduct+RfC

not exactly sure how to do this but feel free to list me a second editor who has issues with Hullaballo. Swancookie (talk) 19:12, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

I was recently confronted with this seeming bias against LA celebrity types by Hullaballo and user Bigdaddy1981. Dogtownclown (talk) 19:42, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

Let me know how I can help. This washed up miscreant must be permanently stopped. 69.231.235.233 (talk) 07:56, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

this might be of help ?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/A_Man_In_Black/Proposed_decision#Proposed_final_decision|here Swancookie (talk) 02:24, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

More evidence of his behavior and prior account? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/IncidentArchive509#Possible_checkuser_abuse.2C_inappropriate_block_threats_by_admin_AuburnPilot

I'm asking for evidence: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Calton#Serious_problems_with_user:Hullaballoo_Wolfowitz Swancookie (talk) 03:02, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

To all editors/ Hullaballoo situation
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Swancookie#To_all_editors.2F_Hullaballoo_situation

Swancookie (talk) 17:27, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

re: mediation
posted a reply here --Xavexgoem (talk) 18:47, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

Please have a look
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Swancookie#RFC Swancookie (talk) 16:38, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

Saving a page- Hullaballoo again
He nominated a page I am working on for deletion. This was an experiment as I knew the minute I made an edit he'd wikihound me.

Please help!

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tara_McPherson&action=history Swancookie (talk) 20:37, 12 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Sorry I've not been around to help with any of this of late (I hope that not too much has happened?), hmm, the best bet I can see it a total rewrite of the article (just re word a few bit's and move somethings around, and the usual need for references) so that it doesn't look like a copyright violation (what's that all about, anyways? remove the questioned content I can understand, but the article its self? Does none of these editors want to improve articles at all, just delete them all?), I can't seem to find any discussion on why the article should be deleted, just discussion about it needing to be cleaned up? (and it's still available through Google's cache, though I'm not sure how out of date that version is)  Doktor  Wilhelm   19:45, 13 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Sadly it's gone - thanks to Hullaballoo. He's still wikihounding me. No worries, I totally understand you have a real life outside of wiki. = P

I'm trying to gather enough ref/sources to rewrite the article. Any more thought about starting an RFC? Hope all is good in your world. Swancookie (talk) 00:05, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Wednesday 13 (band)
Please don't make idle threats regarding the deletion of Wednesday 13 (band). And Afd attempt would fail because there are plenty of relible sources out there. If you want to be helpul, you could help add them yourself. magnius (talk) 20:46, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Jessicka
Hi, I took your advice and took a break from wikipedia. I've decided to return and ignore those whom try to exacerbate situations by wiki lawyering, false accusations, and try to bait me because of their own stuffy close minded beliefs. In saying this, I was curious if you'd still like to help me. I'm going to add some information to the article Jessicka. Her website has been updated and there's plenty of reference there. http://www.jessicka.com/faq.html. I was hoping once I made the changes you would look them over and see if my work was solid?

I'd appreciate any help. Thanks in advance. SwanSwancookie (talk) 18:29, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

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Jessicka
Forgive me I'm new. I'm an aspiring writer looking to help edit articles here. I need a neutral 3rd party to resolve an editing issue with Hullaballoo Wolfowitz here --> Jessicka You seem to know about this subject.

"Art Slant, Juxtapoz, Supacute, Coagula Art Journal,  & Hi- Fructose  are all reputable 3rd party Art sources.  Saying these articles are written by friends is purely speculation on your part. Jessicka's wiki page clearly states that she's an artist. Listing past art shows with 3rd party references is just like listing the albums she's released as a musician in her discography. Both are wiki relevant & significant"

Do you think you could point me in the right direction? I just need a 3rd party to have a look. Thanks! (Lifespan9 (talk))