User talk:Domag

Editing with a conflict of interest
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The content you recently added was copied from another website, and thus was a violation of Wikipedia's copyright policy. Please don't add copyright material to Wikipedia. — Diannaa (talk) 14:56, 14 June 2020 (UTC)

October 2021
Hello, I'm JalenFolf. I noticed that you recently removed all content from David Oliver (magician). Please do not do this. Blank pages are harmful to Wikipedia because they have a tendency to confuse readers. As a rule, if you discover a duplicate article, please redirect it to an appropriate existing page. If a page has been vandalised, please revert it to the last legitimate version. If you feel that the content of a page is inappropriate, please edit the page and replace it with appropriate content. If you believe there is no hope for the page, please see the deletion policy for how to proceed. If this was a mistake, don't worry; the removed content has been restored. If you wish to experiment, please use your sandbox. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thanks. Jalen Folf  (talk)  00:25, 26 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi, my apologies for taking my response here, but as it says in my editnotice: Please start a new thread...I reserve the right to revert posts that are not the start of a new thread. Anyway, in regards to reverting your removals, the policy we have that applies in this case is WP:LUC, which states: Once an article is created about yourself, your group, or your company, you have no right to control its content, or to delete it outside the normal channels. If there is anything publicly available on a topic that you would not want to have included in an article, it will probably find its way there eventually. I have attempted to get the article deleted per WP:BLPREQUESTDELETE, but was opposed right away. You are free to state your case for your removals on the article's Talk page, as I have not been the only user that has objected to your removals. Refer to the article's edit history for more details. Jalen Folf   (talk)  21:40, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

Hi again.

OK, I'm having trouble understanding what the issue is. And why others objecting to me deleting my page matters. It's a page about me, and I simply want it deleted. I am having severe health issues, and dealing with other issues, and I don't want to jump through hoops to have a page about me deleted. It should be a simple matter of, if the page is about someone, they should be able to request that it be deleted. And that is what I am doing. I am having trouble following your links, etc. So please forward this to whomever is in charge of these issues. I just want my page deleted. That's it. Easy for you guys. Not easy for me. Please delete my page. Thank you.

Domag (talk) 21:51, 26 October 2021 (UTC)David Oliver

Hello, and welcome to Wikipedia. You appear to be repeatedly reverting or undoing other editors' contributions at David Oliver (magician). Although this may seem necessary to protect your preferred version of a page, on Wikipedia this is known as "edit warring" and is usually seen as obstructing the normal editing process, as it often creates animosity between editors. Instead of reverting, please discuss the situation with the editor(s) involved and try to reach a consensus on the talk page.

If editors continue to revert to their preferred version they are likely to lose their editing privileges on that page. This isn't done to punish an editor, but to prevent the disruption caused by edit warring. In particular, editors should be aware of the three-revert rule, which says that an editor must not perform more than three reverts on a single page within a 24-hour period. Edit warring on Wikipedia is not acceptable in any amount, and violating the three-revert rule is very likely to result in loss of your editing privileges. Thank you. — Mikehawk10 (talk) 21:59, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

Wow. Now I see that you've put two people in charge of monitoring my page, and you are stepping away, instead of answering my request? I've asked a simple question, with a simple request on your end. I am the subject of a page that I want removed, for personal and professional reasons. I am no longer performing, so the page is irrelevant, most of the links are no longer viable, and I simply want it taken down. Thank you.

Domag (talk) 22:01, 26 October 2021 (UTC) David Oliver
 * I'll respond to the above piece by piece:
 * Regarding most of the links are no longer viable, the statement doesn't actually carry that much weight in determining notability. The Boston Globe in-depth story about the article subject (who you say is you) is certainly still accessible. There's also evidence of in-depth coverage in Magic Magazine (search "David Oliver") including what you described in 2014 as a "cover story". A summary of that cover story is available at this archived link, though the full text is elusive. I can even find coverage of the 2013 benefit show that was put on to benefit the article subject prior to his double lung transplant. Even without all the coverage relating to the arrest, there's a case for WP:BASIC notability. When coupled with the extremely widely reported arrest and the subsequent coverage, it's clear that this isn't a WP:BLP1E, since the coverage is split between coverage of the article subject's magic and the article subject's arrest for alleged child sex abuse. I can also find other stories involving David Oliver in some way (although obviously some of these mentions are trivial, not all of them are, and many of them could be used to build out the page more fully).
 * Regarding you've put two people in charge of monitoring my page: no, hasn't put anyone "in charge" of the page. I'm getting involved here because of my own choice, not because of another Wikipedian asking me to do so. Keep in mind that Wikipedia is an encyclopedia that anyone can edit in line with our five pillars. If you believe that particular content is WP:UNDUE, feel free to challenge it on the article's talk page. However, please know that Wikipedia is not a vanity press and that people do not have total editorial control of their own biography pages.
 * Regarding I am no longer performing, so the page is irrelevant, notability is not temporary. Once an individual attains notability, we are to them as notable forever. If you believed that the page serves no purpose now that the article subject is not performing, this misses the point of notability altogether; Wikipedia is not a web host nor a means of promotion for an individual that are to be deleted once the article subject stops doing performances. — Mikehawk10 (talk) 00:49, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Regarding I am the subject of a page that I want removed, for personal and professional reasons: we don't remove speedily delete pages of notable individuals just because they would like it. There are many notable individuals who have faced negative press and allegations of misconduct. Wikipedia is not censored and we do not blanketly censor negative information on people, provided that is properly sourced and compliant with a neutral point-of-view. If there exist reliable sources that you believe should be added with respect to the sexual assault allegations (such coverage of a plea bargain, conviction, or acquittal), feel free to suggest it on the article's talk page.
 * If you still believe that this article does not comply with pages and guidelines that govern inclusion, you are free to nominate it for deletion. However, we don't have a history of purging articles simply because the otherwise notable article subject has been accused of misconduct. — Mikehawk10 (talk) 00:49, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

Mikehawk -

Thank you for the explanations and rapid response. While I understand and agree with some of what you responded with, I still have my reservations.

Yes, the allegations of misconduct are inflammatory, devastating, and terribly disheartening. Of course I would want that information gone, from anywhere on the web. But that is not the only reason I am asking for the page to be deleted. Notoriety or not, it is about an actual human being who IS me - not claiming to be me - IS me.

I haven't missed any points in the conversation, including how not performing doesn't affect the page. I get it.

All that being said, I am extremely ill with cancer, and have enough battles to be fought. I didn't want this to become a battle. Without knowing how much time I may have left, I am trying to clean out he trash, so to speak, where it comes to my online presence. I have deleted other social media sites, like Twitter, etc. I just want to leave a clean slate wherever I can. I also don't want to leave a place where others can (and will) contribute slurs and lies that will hurt my family later on. I simply want the page removed. No more editing. No more watch listing. Just gone. I'm not looking for an argument. I'm not a kid who's looking for views, likes, clicks, or whatever. I am an adult, who doesn't want to take part in your site any longer. Is that so difficult to understand? At this point, I'm not going to jump through hoops to get what I'm asking for. I'm too old, I'm trying to focus on my health, and this discussion is adding to my anxiety and troubles. This is why I am asking have it removed, so I can go on with my life.

Please speak to whomever is in charge, to make this happen.

Sincerely -

David Oliver

Nomination of David Oliver (magician) for deletion
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Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. Tigger Jay&thinsp; (talk) 23:02, 27 October 2021 (UTC)