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Hey, what's the basis for this edit? He was a pirate leader and his crews (as was the case for many crews at time) routinely included escaped slaves. I haven't seen any documentary evidence that he owned slaves...  St ★ lwart 1 1 1 02:47, 24 September 2021 (UTC)

In fact, some versions of his history include stories of him as a slave. For now, I'll undo that edit on the basis that it looks like a mis-click, but happy to discuss.  St ★ lwart 1 1 1 02:49, 24 September 2021 (UTC)


 * I could be wrong about this, but the article does state that a plantation owned by him was attacked by the Spanish. Now him owning a plantation doesn't necessarily make our Dutch pirate here a slaveholder, but given the context... I admit I'm no expert here, and I'm going to refrain from contesting your revert. If you find any information regarding his plantation, please let me know. Regards, Dabberoni15 (talk) 02:51, 24 September 2021 (UTC)


 * Makes perfect sense. I suspect its a mis-translation and it was simply land he owned (or misinterpretation based on the fact that the majority of land owned in that location was in the form of plantations). The source associated with that paragraph doesn't mention a plantation at all. Good catch.  St ★ lwart 1 1 1 03:07, 24 September 2021 (UTC)

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 * I apologize for the delay, but I'm unable to access the ODNB for some reason. Would it be possible for you to copy Murray's entry and send it to me so we can resolve the close paraphrasing issue? --Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 23:16, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Here ya go.


 * Murray, Sir James, Lord Philiphaugh (1655–1708), politician and judge, was born on 11 July 1655 at Eddleston, Peeblesshire, the eldest son of Sir John Murray of Philiphaugh (d. 1675) and Anne, daughter of Sir Archibald Douglas of Cavers. His father was parliamentary commissioner for Selkirkshire in 1661–3, a commissioner for supply in 1661 and 1667, and commissioner for the borders in 1665. He was educated at Edinburgh University, graduating in 1674. He succeeded his father in August 1675 and soon continued the family link with parliament. Like his father he was a member for Selkirkshire, and he sat in the convention of estates that assembled in Edinburgh in June 1678, and was elected member for the same county in 1681. His career in parliament and the estates was lengthy and he was a commissioner for supply in 1678, 1685, 1690, and 1704.


 * Murray's early career stumbled on account of his apparent shortcomings as sheriff of Selkirk, in which post he had also succeeded his father. A dispute between him and Urquhart of Meldrum, a commander of the king's troops, began his temporary eclipse. The case came before the privy council in November 1680 and the issue seemed to be a clash of jurisdiction between Urquhart as justice of the peace and Murray as sheriff. However, the main concern of Urquhart—and of the privy council as it happened—was that Murray had 'malversed and been remiss in punishing conventicles' (Historical Notices, 277). Thus when the privy council ruled on the case in October 1681 Murray found himself deprived of his right as sheriff of Selkirk. Lauder of Fountainhall suggests that he was a minor victim of the collapse in patronage of Elizabeth, duchess of Lauderdale, her influence having 'dried up' (ibid., 331).


 * This was not, however, the end of Murray's difficulties. He was arrested and committed to prison in 1684, following the discovery of the 1683 Rye House plot to assassinate Charles II. In September 1684 he was brought before the privy council and, on being threatened with torture, made his confession and threw himself on the mercy of the first duke of Queensberry. He was released on bond of caution, and eventually received royal pardon, but on condition that he testified against his so-called accomplices. Indeed, it was his testimony which led to the controversial double trial and execution of Robert Baillie of Jerviswood, and which was used in cases against Walter Scott, earl of Tarras, Patrick Hume, earl of Marchmont, George Pringle of Torwoodlie, and others, many of whom were forfeited in their absence. As a contemporary observed a few years later, Murray 'had a chief hand in ruining many families' (Melville, 77).


 * In spite of unpopularity with some, after the revolution of 1688 Murray's fortunes began to recover. He was appointed an ordinary lord of session in November 1689 with the title Lord Philiphaugh, and in 1701 parliament ratified the barony of Philiphaugh in his name and that of his heirs. Yet, his post-revolution career was to depend on his role as a close personal adviser to James Douglas, second duke of Queensberry, the most important political manager in Scotland from 1700 to 1707. Though it did take a few years for Queensberry to make his mark at court—he was only twenty-six years old at the revolution—in May 1696 Philiphaugh joined the privy council and became a lord of exchequer. In 1698 Queensberry tried unsuccessfully to press on King William the appointment of Philiphaugh as lord justice clerk. Lively party politics, but especially the factions clustered around Queensberry and the tenth earl and first duke of Argyll, made consensus over appointments quite impossible. Queensberry's elevation in 1700 to king's commissioner to parliament actually reduced the scope for agreement. Thus, while in 1701 there was general agreement to replace the earl of Selkirk as clerk register, Queensberry's nomination of Philiphaugh was countered by the candidatures of Sir William Hamilton of Whitelaw and Adam Cockburn of Ormiston. Nevertheless, after the succession of Queen Anne, Philiphaugh was appointed clerk register in November 1702. He held this position until July 1708 apart from a period from June 1704 to 7 April 1705. The so-called ‘Queensberry’ or ‘Scotch plot’, a futile attempt by the duke to incriminate political rivals, led to Philiphaugh being temporarily replaced by James Johnston and the brief removal from office of the duke himself.


 * When in power, Queensberry was provided with effective political advice by Philiphaugh. In 1700 the latter encouraged necessary concessions to be made to parliament over resentments at the failure of the Darien scheme. Although in 1703 the passing of the Act of Security and the Act anent Peace and War were set-backs for both men, after returning to power in 1705 Philiphaugh assisted Queensberry in successfully steering the treaty of Union through a divided Scottish parliament.


 * In his memoirs John Macky describes Murray as of 'fair complexion, fat, middle sized' but 'clever', and he certainly had the wit to rekindle an effective political career after early false starts. Murray married first, on 24 April 1678, Anne, daughter of Patrick Hepburne of Blackcastle, and second (c.1681), Margaret, daughter of Sir Alexander Don of Newton. He had no children by his first marriage, but three sons and five daughters by the second. He was succeeded by his eldest son, John (b. 1682). His will and testament have not survived yet he was clearly a man of means, with lands at Kershope in Roxburghshire as well as at Philiphaugh in Selkirkshire, an estate which had been in the family since the 1520s. Murray died at Inch in Wigtownshire on 1 July 1708. Dabberoni15 (talk) 17:38, 17 June 2022 (UTC)

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 * I've considered for some of them, but I think they still need further expansions before I can take them there. Thanks for the suggestion; if I ever plan on doing so I'll be sure to let you know. Regards, Dabberoni15 (talk) 11:19, 10 October 2022 (UTC)

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 * I'm sorry to say this,, but it's probably for the best if you go ahead and fail that review ASAP. Something unexpected has come up, and I don't think I'll have the time to respond to your suggestions for the time being. Sorry for this and good luck on your GA nominations. Regards, Dabberoni15 (talk) 09:06, 19 January 2023 (UTC)
 * No worries! I'll fail the review so you can revisit it at your leisure should you choose to do so. Feel free to ping me or leave a message on my talk page if you ever decide to return to this article and need clarification on anything from my review. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 15:29, 19 January 2023 (UTC)

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Battle of Caloocan‬ article
Thanks for the reversion [here.]. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 23:59, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
 * No problem amigo, happens to the best of us. Glad you were so reasonable :). Until next time. Dabberoni15 (talk) 00:02, 6 June 2023 (UTC)

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Regency of Algiers
Hi there

I wonder if you would mind explaining your edit to this article? I actually have no opinion on whether it is correct, except to say that the distinction between 'withstood an attack" and "repelled an attack" seems somewhat substantive and an edit summary would have been cool ... But that is not my point, which is simply that I am trying to understand whether or not it improves the article. I don't think it does much harm if any, and have left it in place pending your response. Mainly, my concern is that I may need to make a decision about it if the editor who wrote it reverts you, so I am seeking information, thass all ;) Thanks.

Btw the article is being actively worked for promotion, so if you are familiar with the topic, or some of these battles, feedback is welcome. Elinruby (talk) 02:09, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Hi Elinruby, thanks for this message. With regards to my edit, I took a look at the source cited and it clearly states that Neale's attack on Algiers in 1824 ended indecisively (i.e., without a clear-cut victory on either side). In this context, "withstanding an fruitless British attack" is better than stating that Algiers outright repelled it (i.e. drove Neale's squadron away with military force), because what happened was the Royal Navy showed up and shelled the city but did not achieve their desired outcome despite not being driven back. Ultimately, the point of this section is to show that Algiers was under the (mistaken) impression that it could withstand the desires of European powers, which the article in its current state still makes perfectly clear. Regards DonBeroni (talk) 10:35, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

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Banastre Tarleton
Hi DonBeroni. Your edit to the category prompted me to contact you. I know very little about categories; it isn't something I've used much. I wonder if there is a more appropriate category for Tarleton.

I've been working on that article for quite a while and ferreting out facts from legends. I wouldn't say he was pro-slavery. He never owned slaves and was never involved in the trade. He actually freed a lot of slaves during the Southern campaign.

Later, as a politician he opposed the abolition of the slave trade. Tarleton represented Liverpool and the growth of that city depended on the slave trade. So, like it or not, he had to speak strongly against abolition in parliament. I'm still working on his political career so I can't yet say what he personally thought of slavery. However, I have yet to come across a statement in which he endorses the practice of slavery as opposed to the trade.

The difference between pro-slavery and anti-abolition matters little if you happen to be a slave. But I wonder if there is an anti-abolition category in which he would fit better. There might be others who could be categorized in the same way, although some editors would lump them all together.

I'm gradually upgrading the article although I admit to having slacked off recently. It's a difficult bio because so many stories have been told and retold without evidence.

Since you have upgraded other military biographies, I'd welcome any suggestions for Banastre Tarleton.

Humphrey Tribble Humpster (talk) 23:57, 20 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Hola, Humpster. While I appreciate your decision to contact me directly, I was simply creating more categories for an existing category (Proslavery activists) as part of my recent efforts to add more categories pertaining to slavery on Wikipedia. At this time, I can't necessarily suggest any specific improvements pertaining to Tarleton's page; though as his views in support of the continuation of slavery (hardly surprising coming from the son of a Liverpudlian slaver) are indeed clear, as you acknowledge yourself, I would insist the "proslavery activist" category- defined as someone who defends slavery- is appropriate for Tarleton's page. The fact that he defended the slave trade, as opposed to slavery more broadly, is in my view a distinction best left for the page's text rather than the categories list- I imagine it would seem somewhat superfluous to create the category "Pro-slave trade activists" or "Anti-slave trade abolition activists". Honestly speaking, it's a difficult category to really define in the first place- Tarleton, and most of the people slapped with the "proslavery activist" category were hardly activists in the sense that they were 18th-century equivalents of Greta Thunberg going around in public and moralising on the supposed benefits of human bondage. As far as I know, there doesn't appear to be a category for anti-abolitionists, but I would argue in the context of the times, being pro-slavery or anti-abolition was one and the same. We can add nuance to Tarleton's page (as you have done) over why he chose to speak out in favor of such a moral-free business, but for the categories section, I think the page as it currently stands is fine for now. If you want to discuss this matter feel free to do so, but I would like to draw your attention to the fact that Tarleton's page already includes a nuanced account of his relationship with slavery. Regards, DonBeroni (talk) 00:26, 21 May 2024 (UTC)

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Colonel Blimp
Hi DonBeroni, I hope you don't mind too much my reverting to the Victorian Turkish bath. This is consistent with the current clarification of the type of bath referred to wherever else mentioned on Wikipedia consequent on the separation a couple of years ago of the old "Turkish bath" page into two pages better describing two completely different types of bath, the VTb, and the Hammam.

Besides at this point in the film you couldn't more appropriately place the Victorian Blimp than in a VTb.

I retained the further mention of a Turkish bath as a shorthand version of something already stressed. Besides, in this part of the film he was probably in a club based on the RAC in Pall Mall which had special arrangements made for officers during the war and when the Jermyn Street Baths had already been destroyed in the Blitz. The RAC bath is actually a Victorian-style Turkish bath, but I suspect one can be a bit too pedantic! Best. Ishpoloni (talk) 00:03, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

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Cesar Picton
Kingston-on-Hull????!!!! Wtf. Please be a lot more careful, & watch out for false title in UK-related articles. Johnbod (talk) 15:43, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Woops, my bad. Though to be fair, its not my fault the UK has a Brazilian different places named "Kingston" :P DonBeroni (talk) 16:13, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Also, I'd hate to sound like a pedant here, but I was under the impression that typing like a fifteen-year old was reserved for fifteen-year olds. DonBeroni (talk) 16:26, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

Category:Haitian slave traders
Please don't forget to add the parent categories when you create occupations. For example, Category:Haitian slave traders should have also had Slave traders by nationality as parent category. Otherwise, people won't be able to find category. Mason (talk) 22:59, 12 July 2024 (UTC)

Category:Jewish British slave owners has been nominated for deletion
Category:Jewish British slave owners has been nominated for deletion. A discussion is taking place to decide whether it complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Mason (talk) 23:08, 12 July 2024 (UTC)