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Wikidata weekly summary #578
Here's your quick overview of what has been happening around Wikidata over the last week. 
 * Events
 * Next Linked Data for Libraries LD4 Wikidata Affinity Group call May 30, 2023: We will discuss results from our community survey on advocacy for Wikidata in libraries and hear from community members Mary Aycock, Steve Baskauf and Eric Willey about their experiences with advocacy and gaining support for Wikidata work within their respective libraries. Agenda


 * Press, articles, blog posts, videos
 * Mike Peel shares his experience mentoring Wikimedia projects through FOSS outreach programs


 * Tool of the week
 * TalkPageHeader.js shows the talk page header for languages other than English.


 * Other Noteworthy Stuff
 * The libraries of the London School of Economics and the University of York have collaborated to produce a toolkit for uploading research theses metadata to Wikidata. Full announcement and access to the toolkit
 * The contents of most Wikimedia Cloud Services Wiki Replicas are out-of-date owing to large & increasing replication lag; see https://replag.toolforge.org/ & Phab T337446. Exercise caution using data from any tools that have a dependency on these databases.


 * Did you know?


 * Newest properties:
 * General datatypes:
 * time of periapsis ( the time at which the orbit of an object in space, typically a planet or a satellite, goes through its periapsis )
 * matched by identifier from ( this external ID was added because the following link was presented in both the external database and the Wikidata item )
 * External identifiers: Diritto on line ID


 * New property proposals to review:
 * General datatypes:
 * ISCED Attainment ( (no English description proposed yet) )
 * ISCED category orientation ( International Standard Classification of Education category (based on focus/orientation) applicable to an educational program )
 * Learning outcome ( specific knowledge, skills, and abilities that students are expected to acquire as a result of participating in a particular education program )
 * External identifiers: GamersGlobal series ID, Enciclopedia machiavelliana ID, BFM.ru persons ID, Open Yearbook org id


 * Query examples:
 * Count comparison of England, Scotland and Wales items claiming to be a human settlement as well as a parish (source)
 * Twins at Eurovision (source)


 * Development
 * Ontology issues: We are finishing the evaluation of the survey about which types of ontology issues are hindering reuse of Wikidata's data the most.
 * Otherwise mostly a slow week because of the Wikimedia hackathon.

You can see all open tickets related to Wikidata here. If you want to help, you can also have a look at the tasks needing a volunteer.

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 * Monthly Tasks
 * Add labels, in your own language(s), for the new properties listed above.
 * Comment on property proposals: all open proposals
 * Suggested and open tasks!
 * Contribute to a Showcase item.
 * Help translate or proofread the interface and documentation pages, in your own language!
 * Help merge identical items across Wikimedia projects.
 * Help write the next summary!

Growth team newsletter #26
Welcome to the twenty-sixth newsletter from the Growth team! Help with translations

One million Suggested Edits
We passed the 1 million Suggested edits milestone in late April!
 * The Suggested edits feature (AKA Newcomer tasks) increase newcomer activation by ~12%, which flows on through to increased retention. (source)
 * Suggested edits increase the number of edits newcomers complete in their first two weeks and have a relatively low revert rate. (source)
 * Suggested edits are available on all Wikipedia language editions.
 * Newer Suggested edits, like Add a link and Add an image, aren’t yet deployed to all wikis, but these structured tasks further increase the probability that newcomers will make their first edit. (source)

Positive reinforcement
Positive reinforcement aims to encourage newcomers who have visited our homepage and tried Growth features to keep editing.
 * The new Impact module was released to Growth pilot wikis in December 2022, and we are now scaling the feature to another ten wikis.
 * The Leveling up features are deployed at our pilot wikis.
 * The Personalized praise features were deployed at our pilot wikis on May 24. Mentors at pilot wikis will start to receive notifications weekly when they have “praise-worthy” mentees. Mentors can configure their notification preferences or disable these notifications.

Add an image

 * We are creating a new section-level variation of the “add an image” task. We have tested the accuracy of suggestions, and the development of this new task is well-underway.

Other updates

 * We are progressively releasing Add a link to more wikis.
 * After adding Thanks to Recent Changes, Watchlist and Special:Contributions, we investigated Thanks usage on the wikis. There is no evidence that thanks increased after the feature was added on more pages.
 * We helped with code review for the 2023 Community Wish to add Notifications for user page edits.
 * We have been attending several community events, that we documented in our Growth’s Community events report.

What's next for Growth?

 * We shared an overview of Growth annual planning ideas, and have started community discussion about these potential projects. We would love to hear your feedback on these ideas!

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Tech News: 2023-22
 Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes
 * Citations can once again be added automatically from ISBNs, thanks to Zotero's ISBN searches. The current data sources are the Library of Congress (United States), the Bibliothèque nationale de France (French National Library), and K10plus ISBN (German repository). Additional data source searches can be proposed to Zotero. The ISBN labels in the VisualEditor Automatic tab will reappear later this week.
 * Octicons-gift.svg The page now has "" options to select all the pages within a namespace. This feature request was voted #161 in the 2023 Community Wishlist Survey.

Problems
 * For a few days earlier this month, the "Add interlanguage link" item in the Tools menu did not work properly. This has now been fixed.

Changes later this week
 * Octicons-sync.svg The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from . It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from . It will be on all wikis from (calendar).
 * VisualEditor will be switched to a new backend on small and medium wikis this week. Large wikis will follow in the coming weeks. This is part of the effort to move Parsoid into MediaWiki core. The change should have no noticeable effect on users, but if you experience any slow loading or other strangeness when using VisualEditor, please report it on the phabricator ticket linked here.

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MediaWiki message delivery 21:59, 29 May 2023 (UTC)

Need help
I have found these images containing the sheet music as well as Sinh Viên Hành Khúc / Tiếng gọi thanh niên's lyrics in French and Vietnamese. I think these are worth being included in Wikimedia Commons. However, I do not know how to. Please help whenever you'll have the time to. Thanks in advance! Erminwin (talk) 21:37, 30 May 2023 (UTC)

Need help
I have found these images containing the sheet music as well as Sinh Viên Hành Khúc / Tiếng gọi thanh niên's lyrics in French and Vietnamese. I think these are worth being included in Wikimedia Commons. However, I do not know how to. Please help whenever you'll have the time to. Thanks in advance! Erminwin (talk) 21:37, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Erminwin, I will copy this message there and I'll ping you there so I can explain how to import works using local links. As they say "Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime". — Donald Trung (talk) 21:56, 30 May 2023 (UTC)

Nguyễn Dynasty's Hanlin Academy

 * http://baochi.nlv.gov.vn/baochi/cgi-bin/baochi?a=q&hs=1&r=1&results=1&txq=H%C3%A0n+L%C3%A2m+vi%E1%BB%87n&txf=txIN&ssnip=img&o=20&dafdq=&dafmq=&dafyq=&datdq=&datmq=&datyq=&puq=&e=---vi-20--1--img-txIN-B%E1%BB%99+T%C6%B0+ph%C3%A1p+1933- (Nguyễn Dynasty's Hanlin Academy).

--Donald Trung (talk) 07:57, 4 June 2023 (UTC)

Purity spiral

 * "Purity spiral".
 * https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Purity_spiral&oldid=1158397667, someone else beat me to it.

--Donald Trung (talk) 19:30, 4 June 2023 (UTC)

Dead internet theory
Other people are working on it, I have too many projects to be working on. I'll check again if the article on this interesting conspiracy theory needs expansion when I'm done with everything else. For me this is a low priority so I'm taking it upon myself to de-list it from my to-do list (for now). Initially I felt like "I missed the boat" when someone else launched it, but I'm glad someone made it, as it was a shame that it was a redlink (same applies to "Purity spiral").
 * Dead internet theory (expand it).

--Donald Trung (talk) 20:00, 4 June 2023 (UTC)

The Signpost: 5 June 2023
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Hi
You probably busy right now, but I need your help @Donald Trung. I am giving my arguments and asked why my edits is invalid (I have the sources and the information I added were even in other versions of Wikipedia).

But an Extended User are now in my talk page, talking about what I did wrong with an edit back then and are discrediting me. He said that the admins will even ban my account.

What should I do now?— Daeva Trạc (talk) 07:41, 4 June 2023 (UTC)
 * The arguments are now in my talk page about this 1 and this 2.- Daeva Trạc (talk) 07:47, 4 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Daeva Trạc, I read the top of the discussion. I agree with the other user honestly but I can help you identify better sources if you'd ask me. Please don't add fictional flags to the actual Infoboxes of those articles and if you want to source maps to blogs it would either have to be (1) an expert blog run by an actual historian on the subject or (2) contain a photograph from a museum or a historian's work. I'm traveling now. — Donald Trung (talk) 07:52, 4 June 2023 (UTC)
 * I'm in the metro now but maps and flags you add need to be properly sourced, most blogs you cite tend to show these flags in festivals or in historical paintings, these aren't indications of them being either national flags (something Vietnam didn't have until 1886~8) or imperial standards. Vexilogical sources also clearly indicate that no tradition of national flags exists and unlike pre-modern Korea Historians haven't really unraveled many flags for pre-modern Vietnam meaning that many people created fantasies. Wikipedia used to be full of these fantasies and I think that it's good that you put them in a separate list of fantasy flags, however, I don't think that they should be placed anywhere else unless there's information about how they were used and when if they're real. A painting made hundreds of years after the fact isn't a reliable source, I don't think that the pre-Nam Việt used Chinese-style flags. I'm in the Rotterdam Metro to Madurodam now, so I won't be able to reply until maybe tonight or tomorrow. But I agree with that user and if you're willing I could mentor you in discovering and finding reliable sources. -- — Donald Trung (talk) 07:56, 4 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Also, when uploading fake flags to the Wikimedia Commons please only add them to the category for fake flags so they don't pollute the other categories, as people might mistake them for real flags. — Donald Trung (talk) 07:58, 4 June 2023 (UTC)
 * The arguments aren’t about the flags though. He just uses that (which I agree Im wrong) to discredit my edits. When you aren’t busy, please help me. I don’t even make anything up, I sources my maps, what I have gathered, I have the names from both Wikipedia and nonWiki sources and he still claims my edits were invalid. Most of the maps in Baiyue aren’t even sources and he only targeted me? I hope you have a great vacation, but help me if you can.— Daeva Trạc (talk) 08:02, 4 June 2023 (UTC)
 * @Donald Trung, the flag have been removed long ago and I haven’t re-edited them, or anything ever since (Im not sure if they have all been removed though). But the arguments aren’t even about that. In the Baiyue article, he deleted the information I took from other versions of Wikipedia, and then deleted the map that I made based on the information I have gathered (I even have sources why there are at least 2 maps in the article don’t. in the Hồng Bàng one, I again, based on a website that have an online version of Lĩnh am chích quái to draw my maps and he again deleted them (like if the sources in maps aren’t valid, what made the article as a whole?)— Daeva Trạc (talk) 07:57, 4 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Daeva Trạc, Other Wikipedia's aren't exactly a good source, you should always inspect which sources they use. I often find blatantly wrong information at the Vietnamese-language Wikipedia, I am surprised how often that occurs, even if they cite otherwise reliable sources these sources can often still be blatantly wrong. Only copy from other Wikipedia's if it is reliably sourced. — Donald Trung (talk) 08:00, 4 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Yes, but if Chinese/Japanese wiki and other nonWiki sources (usually in Chinese or Vietnamese) said the same things, I think they would be more reliable. You can see in the Files I put in.— Daeva Trạc (talk) 08:09, 4 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Daeva Trạc, You sourced it to Wikipedia's, that's not good, you should source it to the sources used by those Wikipedia's. Please see "Wikipedia is not a reliable source". -- — Donald Trung (talk) 19:20, 4 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Here are some of my works that he deleted: 12; and here are maps that somehow still being kept: 3,4— Daeva Trạc (talk) 08:06, 4 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Daeva Trạc, Ah, I think that I understand it. You see, the 100 Việt tribes of Southern China didn't have clear boundaries, your map uses very clear boundaries but the maps which are kept use vague boundaries. That is because we can't know where the Sơn Việt (山越) ended and the Hồ Việt (虎越) began. Your map makes it seem like there were clear territorial distinctions, but this wasn't really the case almost anywhere in the world until the latter half of the 19th (nineteenth) century. All we know are approximations, so it would probably be better overwrite the map without the clear and distinct colours, as the names are correct but the boundaries are too distinctive. Your map of Xich Quy is almost identical to the map used here. I do want to see a source on both honestly. -- — Donald Trung (talk) 19:08, 4 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Daeva Trạc, Also, where did you source the Cờ Phú Quốc from? If it has no historical evidence it is best to only categorise it as either fictional or proposed. — Donald Trung (talk) 19:19, 4 June 2023 (UTC)
 * I just realised that most of this concerns the Wikimedia Commons and not Wikipedia per se as it all concerns files there. As it's easier to link to files there and policies there I'll continue this discussion at the Wikimedia Commons. Please message me there. — Donald Trung (talk) 20:02, 4 June 2023 (UTC)

Các lá cờ
Thành thật xin lỗi, tôi ko giỏi tiếng Anh

Các lá cờ ko có thật chỉ cần xóa ra các bài viết, nó không cần phải dùng. nếu nó tiếp tục được hiển thị tại nhiều trang, nó sẽ tiếp tục lừa dối lịch sử, nhiều người vẫn tin, đó là mẹo vặt để lừa gạt tâm trí người khác, làm méo mó kiến thức người khác TUIBAJAVE (talk) 10:43, 7 June 2023 (UTC)

Translate:

I'm really sorry, my English not good

The flags are not real just delete the each article, it is not needed for use. if it continues to be displayed in many pages, it will continue to deceive history, many people still believe, it is a trick to deceive other people's minds, distort other people's knowledge TUIBAJAVE (talk) 10:43, 7 June 2023 (UTC) Have no anything to say? TUIBAJAVE (talk) 11:09, 7 June 2023 (UTC)

For context I replied on the article's talk page. We debunk false flags, not spread them. --Donald Trung (talk) 10:25, 8 June 2023 (UTC)

The Signpost: 5 June 2023
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Tech News: 2023-23
<section begin="technews-2023-W23"/> Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes
 * The RealMe extension allows you to mark URLs on your user page as verified for Mastodon and similar software.
 * Octicons-gift.svg Citation and footnote editing can now be started from the reference list when using the visual editor. This feature request was voted #2 in the 2023 Community Wishlist Survey.
 * Previously, clicking on someone else's link to Recent Changes with filters applied within the URL could unintentionally change your preference for "". This has now been fixed.

Problems
 * For a few days last week, some tools and bots returned outdated information due to database replication problems, and may have been down entirely while it was being fixed. These issues have now been fixed.

Changes later this week
 * Octicons-sync.svg The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from . It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from . It will be on all wikis from (calendar).
 * Bots will no longer be prevented from making edits because of URLs that match the spam blacklist.

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Wikidata weekly summary #579
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 * Events
 * Introduction workshop about Wikidata for employees of the Koninklijke Bibliotheek (KB, national library of the Netherlands), to make them more familiar and self-reliant with Wikidata - 6 June 2023, Koninklijke Bibliotheek, The Hague, The Netherlands - Slides (in Dutch) on Commons.
 * Next Linked Data for Libraries LD4 Wikidata Affinity Group Working Hour June 5, 2023: In collaboration with the Black Bibliography Project, we will be adding metadata for undescribed or under-described African-American women authors listed in The Pen Is Ours: a Listing of Writings by and about African-American Women before 1910, compiled by Jean Fagan Yellin and Cynthia D. Bond.Event page
 * Registration has opened for the workshop on mathematical research data taking place on 9-11 October 2023 in Leipzig. Talks, demos and lightning talks can be suggested, including Wikidata-related ones.


 * Tool of the week
 * IdentifierInput makes it easier to add identifier properties by letting you put in the full url and then stripping it down to just the identifier for you.


 * Did you know?


 * Newest properties:
 * General datatypes:
 * alternate universe counterpart ( this fictional character/entity is an alternate universe counterpart of the subject )
 * visited by ( organisms attracted by this plant taxon and reported to visit it )
 * Mastodon instance URL ( the mastodon instance of/about the subject )
 * beforehand owned by ( person or institution that owned the subject just before stated event. Meant to be used as qualifier of "significant event (P793)" for events like sales, auctions, gifts, etc )
 * afterward owned by ( person or institution that owned the subject after stated event. Meant to be used as qualifier of "significant event (P793)" for events like sales, auctions, gifts, etc )
 * solubility product constant ( equilibrium constant for a sparingly soluble solid chemical substance dissolved in an aqueous solution )
 * funded by grant ( title or name of the grant funding this item )
 * External identifiers: stats.fm artist ID, Zeno.org ID, World Arachnid Catalog ID, Springs and Fountains of Andalucía ID, TMDb collection ID, TMDB company ID, WGA work ID, Peacock ID


 * New property proposals to review:
 * General datatypes:
 * Type of musical notation ( system of musical notation used on a given music source or composition )
 * External identifiers: Identifiant "Politique pappers", Svenska Akademiens ordlista ID, Holarse, wiki.ubuntuusers.de article ID, Marsilio Editori author ID, LiteraturPort autorenlexikon ID, Kialo ID, PremiershipRugby.com player ID (new), PesticideInfo chemical ID, Ukrainian Cultural Heritage ID, Image Duplicator ID, Saugoma.lt area ID, Lithuanian protected object ID, Saugoma.lt object ID, Musées Occitanie ID


 * Newest WikiProjects: WikiProject Aikido
 * Newest database reports:
 * External identifier completeness - External identifier property use completeness.


 * Development
 * Wikibase REST API: We finished the new endpoint for patching labels (T332739). We also started work on the new endpoint for retrieving Property data (T337720)
 * Client wikis: We drastically reduced the size of a ResourceLoader module that’s loaded on most Wikipedia page views (334682)
 * Language code: With awesome help from Nikki, we improved documentation for how to add language codes to Wikibase/Wikidata (T335857)
 * EntitySchemas: We are getting the new datatype ready for testing.

You can see all open tickets related to Wikidata here. If you want to help, you can also have a look at the tasks needing a volunteer.

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This Month in GLAM: May 2023
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Tech News: 2023-24
<section begin="technews-2023-W24"/> Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes
 * Octicons-gift.svg The content attribution tools Who Wrote That?, XTools Authorship, and XTools Blame now support the Dutch, German, Hungarian, Indonesian, Japanese, Polish and Portuguese Wikipedias. This was the #7 wish in the 2023 Community Wishlist Survey.
 * The Search Preview panel has been deployed on four Wikipedias (Catalan, Dutch, Hungarian and Norwegian). The panel will show an image related to the article (if existing), the top sections of the article, related images (coming from MediaSearch on Commons), and eventually the sister projects associated with the article.
 * The RealMe extension now allows administrators to verify URLs for any page, for Mastodon and similar software.
 * The default project license has been officially upgraded to CC BY-SA 4.0. The software interface messages have been updated. Communities should feel free to start updating any mentions of the old CC BY-SA 3.0 licensing within policies and related documentation pages.

Problems
 * For three days last month, some Wikipedia pages edited with VisualEditor or DiscussionTools had an unintended  (or its localized form) added during an edit. There is a listing of affected pages sorted by wiki, that may still need to be fixed.
 * Currently, the "" feature in VisualEditor is broken. Existing  keywords incorrectly appear as missing templates in VisualEditor. Developers are exploring how to fix this. In the meantime, those wishing to edit the default sortkey of a page are advised to switch to source editing.
 * Octicons-tools.svg Last week, an update to the delete form may have broken some gadgets or user scripts. If you need to manipulate (empty) the reason field, replace <bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"> with <bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr" style="white-space: nowrap;"> . See an example fix.

Changes later this week
 * Octicons-sync.svg The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from . It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from . It will be on all wikis from (calendar).
 * VisualEditor will be switched to a new backend on English Wikipedia on Monday, and all other large wikis on Thursday. The change should have no noticeable effect on users, but if you experience any slow loading or other strangeness when using VisualEditor, please report it on the phabricator ticket linked here.

Future changes
 * From 5 June to 17 July, the Foundation's Security team is holding a consultation with contributors regarding a draft policy to govern the use of third-party resources in volunteer-developed gadgets and scripts. Feedback and suggestions are warmly welcome at Third-party resources policy on meta-wiki.

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