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Tech News: 2021-22
 Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

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 * There was an issue on the Vector skin with the text size of categories and notices under the page title. It was fixed last Monday.

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 * There is no new MediaWiki version this week.

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17:04, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

Scripts++ Newsletter – Issue 21
 News and updates associated with user scripts from the past four months (February through May 2021).

Hello everyone and welcome to the 21st issue of the Wikipedia Scripts++ Newsletter:

Scripts Submit your new/improved script here


 * Gnome-colors-list-add.svg New scripts


 * Alexander Davronov's HistoryHelper helps to copy diff links from the history display of a page
 * Aseleste's Purger makes it easier to purge or null edit a page
 * Awesome Aasim:
 * CatMan adds a category manager to simplify interactions for adding and removing the categories of a page
 * redirectcreator allows for easy creation of multiple redirects
 * Bop34's EasyDesc adds a link to the top navigation bar which allows you to add a short description without opening the edit menu
 * BrandonXLF's NullEdit adds a portlet link to perform a null edit on a page
 * Chlod:
 * FoldArchives collapses archived talk page threads in order to reduce screen space
 * GoToTitle converts the page title into an input field for navigating to other pages
 * UserHighlighter adds highlighting to links to the userpages, talk pages, and contributions of administrators and other user groups as well as tooltips to indicate which groups a user is in
 * GhostInTheMachine:
 * NoEditSummary adds a warning if an edit will be saved without an edit summary
 * SortWhatLinksHere sorts the links shows on Special:WhatLinksHere
 * WatchlistTidy moves the "new updates found" timestamp block from the bottom of the filter block to the top of the filter area on the watchlist
 * GorillaWarfare's curlies simplifies converting curly quotes to straight quotes while in the source editing mode
 * Nardog:
 * AutoSectionLink corrects the  every time you hit "Show changes"
 * AutoTestcases autofills "Preview page with this template/module" with the most relevant /testcases page that exists
 * SortCentralAuthByEditCount sorts the list of local accounts on CentralAuth by edit count
 * Novem Linguae:
 * CiteHighlighter highlights 1800 sources green, yellow, or red depending on reliability.
 * NPPLinks adds WP:BEFORE Google search links, copyvio check, duplicate article check, and other links to the left menu.
 * Ritenerek's goce_nav adds a link to WikiProject Guild of Copy Editors to the navigation menu
 * Suffusion of Yellow:
 * filterDiff: Adds a "Show changes" button to the filter editor.
 * filterNotes: Parses filter notes as wikitext (so links are clickable), and signs and dates new comments for you.
 * filterTest: Adds a "Test changes" button. Opens Special:AbuseFilter/test with what's currently in the edit form, not with what's saved in the database, so you don't have to copy-paste your changes.
 * Terasail's COI Request Tool allows users to reply to, close or remove conflict of interest edit requests


 * Gnome-colors-view-refresh.svg Updated scripts


 * Twinkle has a number of improvements, including that most watchlist defaults now make use of the new temporary watchlist feature. Other changes include rollbacks treating consecutive IPv6 editors in the same /64 range as the same user, adding a preview for shared IP tagging, a preference for watching users after CSD notification, and for sysops, the ability to block the /64 and link to a WP:RfPP request, and new copyright blocks default to indefinite.
 * Shortdesc helper now v3.4.17, changes include minor fixes and preventing edits that don't change the description.
 * BrandonXLF's CitationStyleMarker now recognizes WP:CSLSA and WP:CSVAN styles, in addition to WP:CS1 and WP:CS2
 * Joeytje50's JWB now version 4.1.0, includes the ability to generate page lists from the search tool, major updates to the handling of regular expressions, the storing of user settings, the addition of upload protection, and an option to skip pages that belong to a specific category, among other changes. See User:Joeytje50/JWB/Changelog for a full list of recent changes.
 * User:SD0001/deleted-metadata-link.js – updated to include a link to snippet of deleted content, instead of just metadata.


 * Info Simple bw.svg Miscellaneous


 * User scripts/List has been revamped to make it easier to find scripts suited for your needs. If you know of a cool script that is missing on the list, or a script on the list that is no longer working, please edit the list or let us know on the talk page.


 * 1009Clock.jpg Pending requests


 * A request for a script to help admins posting "recent death" items to Template:In the news
 * A request for a script to warn users about syntax and template errors
 * ...and many more, all available at User scripts/Requests



My apologies for this long-overdue issue, and if I missed any scripts. Hopefully going forward we can go back to monthly releases - any help would be appreciated. Thanks, --DannyS712 (talk) 13:04, 2 June 2021 (UTC)

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Wikidata weekly summary #471
Here's your quick overview of what has been happening around Wikidata over the last week. 


 * Events
 * Past:
 * Wikimedia Hackathon 2021 (replay) "Wikidata Live Querying" by Lucas Werkmeister
 * SPARQL #Wikidata Préfixes 1/2 (in French) - YouTube
 * Upcoming:
 * Meta meeting of the Wikibase Community User Group, Wednesday, June 9, 16:00 UTC
 * LIVE Wikidata editing #46 - YouTube, Facebook, June 12 at 18:00 UTC
 * Online Wikidata meetup in Swedish #66, June 13
 * (Dutch) 16 june 2021, 15.00-16.30 CEST, "Universiteitsbibliotheek: Bijzondere Collecties zichtbaar en vindbaar maken in Wikidata", during "Digitaal Erfgoed @UM | zichtbaar, bruikbaar, houdbaar"


 * Press, articles, blog posts, videos
 * Blogs
 * "Wikidata and R: a perfect pair" by Evolution and evolvability and Canley. A WikiCite eScholarship.
 * "Brazil’s Laws: Modeling the Brazilian legislation in Wikidata", by Ederporto. A WikiCite project grant project.
 * Papers
 * (Preprint) KGPool: Dynamic Knowledge Graph Context Selection for Relation Extraction (Wikidata dataset used in evaluation)
 * (Article) “Wikidata Projects in Times of COVID-19: IUPUI Libraries’ Engagement in Open Knowledge”
 * (Presentation) Explore, Analyse and Translate Multilingual Wikidata Properties by User:Jsamwrites at Contribuling
 * Videos
 * Understanding data import into Wikidata via Quickstatements (in Portuguese) - YouTube
 * Workshop for "Cita": a Wikidata addon for Zotero, hosted by Diegodlh - English & en español. A WikiCite grant project.
 * Wikidata: Municipalities of Romania + a map of places in Kuopio - YouTube
 * Wikidata Editing training (in Tamil) - YouTube
 * Excursus: Wikidata Knowledge Graph - YouTube


 * Tool of the week
 * Wikidata Image Positions is a tool to show and add relative position within image (P2677) qualifiers on depicts (P180) statements on Wikidata items as areas on the item’s image (P18).


 * Did you know?


 * Newest properties:
 * General datatypes: none
 * External identifiers: Badkartan.se ID, Eionet bathingWaterIdentifier, ifixit device ID, AlternativeTo software ID, Price One Penny author ID, Nevada Women's History Project ID, Treccani's Enciclopedia della Matematica ID, Price One Penny work ID, Price One Penny library ID, Price One Penny publisher ID, Dizionario Biografico dell'Educazione (1800–2000) ID, Biographical Encyclopedia of Astronomers ID, Romanistenlexikon ID, composers.am person ID, Armeniapedia ID, OpenCorporates register jurisdiction, armradioarchive.am person ID, PANGO lineage code, AZGS Document Repository ID, AADFI member ID, electronic Essential Medicines List medicine ID, Japan PlayStation Software Database ID, Erfgoedkaart ID, Romanian diplomatic mission ID, Foreign diplomatic mission in Romania ID, PAS member ID, fondoambiente.it ID


 * New property proposals to review:
 * General datatypes: Range, not found in, LdiF person ID, board game mechanism, Date of resignation
 * External identifiers: DIP-ID, Castforward ID, Istituto Veneto di Scienze, Lettere ed Arti member ID, EBAF ID, FCCOS ID, Dutch Caribbean Species Register ID, TBDB ID, cirkev.cz bohoslužby ID, Ropiky.net pillbox ID, GCD creator ID


 * Query examples:
 * Properties used to describe themselves (Inspiration)
 * Most common name in Germany by year of birth (Source)
 * Famous (not French) people born in France (Source)


 * Development
 * You can now add a title to a query visualisation by adding  to your SPARQL code (T225883, example query with a title)
 * Added a new constraints type to indicate that a certain Property should only be used on Lexemes of a certain language (T200689)
 * Working on not checking the format constraints via SPARQL to take that load off the SPARQL endpoint and make it technically better (T176312)
 * Working on making the API-Sandbox not suggest edits to real Items (T219215)

You can see all open tickets related to Wikidata here. If you want to help, you can also have a look at the tasks needing a volunteer.


 * Monthly Tasks
 * Add labels, in your own language(s), for the new properties listed above.
 * Comment on property proposals: all open proposals
 * Contribute to a Showcase item.
 * Help translate or proofread the interface and documentation pages, in your own language!
 * Help merge identical items across Wikimedia projects.
 * Help write the next summary!

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Tech News: 2021-23
 Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Changes later this week
 * Octicons-sync.svg The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from . It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from . It will be on all wikis from (calendar).

Future changes
 * The Wikimedia movement uses Phabricator for technical tasks. This is where we collect technical suggestions, bugs and what developers are working on. The company behind Phabricator will stop working on it. This will not change anything for the Wikimedia movement now. It could lead to changes in the future.
 * Searching on Wikipedia will find more results in some languages. This is mainly true for when those who search do not use the correct diacritics because they are not seen as necessary in that language. For example searching for  doesn't find   on German Wikipedia. The character   isn't used in German so many would write   instead. This will work better in the future in some languages.
 * Octicons-tools.svg The CSRF token parameters in the action API were changed in 2014. The old parameters from before 2014 will stop working soon. This can affect bots, gadgets and user scripts that still use the old parameters.

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20:01, 7 June 2021 (UTC)

A cupcake for you!

 * , I am familiar with the person, they are a prolific Flickr user (that are unfortunately blacklisted on Wikimedia Commons because of dishonest attribution and licensing), they are very active on Wikimedia Commons and I am currently monitoring three (3) active socks by them (generally good edits and have reverted some bad ones), usually he only gets foul as an IP and not with his logged accounts. I saw him vandalise the page "User talk:Lệ Xuân" on this Wikipedia, but noticed that his insults on the Catalan-language Wikipedia weren't removed so I did it as I hoped that you wouldn't have to read it.


 * Anyhow, he has a lot of good edits and I hope that he can return to Wikipedia one day if he learns his mistakes, but he simply refuses to listen to others and collaborate properly with fellow volunteers. :-( --Donald Trung (talk) 22:32, 10 June 2021 (UTC)

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Wikidata weekly summary #472
Here's your quick overview of what has been happening around Wikidata over the last week. 


 * Events
 * Past
 * SPARQL #Wikidata Préfixes 2/2 (session 8) - YouTube
 * Open Repositories 2021: Wikidata Integration with Repository Contents - YouTube
 * Information Service Engineering 2021
 * SPARQL complex queries, SPARQL aggregation and variable assignment, Wikidata SPARQL examples
 * SPARQL Federated Queries, DBpedia and Wikidata, SPARQL query aggregation and variable assignment
 * Upcoming
 * Next Linked Data for Libraries LD4 Wikidata Affinity Group call: Diego de la Hera on Cita, a Wikidata add-on for Zotero. Agenda, June 15
 * Wikidata Bug Triage Hour about quality constraints, June 17
 * LIVE Wikidata editing #47 - YouTube, Facebook, June 19 at 18:00 UTC
 * Online Wikidata meetup in Swedish #67, June 20
 * OpenStreetMap TW x Wikidata Taiwan Taipei (Q1867) Meetup 2021-07-05


 * Press, articles, blog posts, videos
 * Videos
 * Gateway into Linked Data: Breaking silos with Wikidata - YouTube
 * LIVE Wikidata editing #46 - YouTube, Facebook


 * Tool of the week
 * SPARQL Jupyter notebooks in PAWS: PAWS is a wikitech services which allows to run Jupyter notebooks. There is a SPARQL kernel which makes it possible to run SPARQL queries. See this example notebook.


 * Other Noteworthy Stuff
 * Wikidata Community/Diversity 2021 Survey has been published. The results are meant to serve as a baseline to see how the community might (not) change in the future.
 * WikidataCon 2021: A sustainable future for Wikidata. Information about "the conference theme, its three-day program structure and a special project on diversity taking place before the conference itself".
 * The call for candidates for 2021 Wikimedia Foundation Board elections has begun on June 9. The last date to apply is June 29, 2021.


 * Did you know?


 * Newest properties:
 * General datatypes: personality trait of fictional character
 * External identifiers: Dizionario Biografico dell'Educazione (1800–2000) ID, Biographical Encyclopedia of Astronomers ID, Romanistenlexikon ID, composers.am person ID, Armeniapedia ID, OpenCorporates register jurisdiction, armradioarchive.am person ID, PANGO lineage code, AZGS Document Repository ID, AADFI member ID, electronic Essential Medicines List medicine ID, Japan PlayStation Software Database ID, Erfgoedkaart ID, Romanian diplomatic mission ID, Foreign diplomatic mission in Romania ID, PAS member ID, fondoambiente.it ID, Olschki author ID, French Etalab parcel visualization code, Geneanet family name ID, Online Coins of the Roman Empire ID, senato.archivioluce.it person ID, DIP ID, Newspaper Genre List ID, Dutch Caribbean Species Register ID, Internet Game Database developer ID, Book Owners Online person ID, Bod-Inc Online author ID, Burke Herbarium Image Collection ID, Ropiky.net pillbox ID, Istituto Veneto di Scienze, Lettere ed Arti member ID


 * New property proposals to review:
 * General datatypes: LdiF person ID, board game mechanism, Date of resignation, sex or gender of the position, regime, earliest known OpenTimestamps, Biblioteca Nacional de Maestros, named after lexeme
 * External identifiers: TBDB ID, cirkev.cz bohoslužby ID, GCD creator ID, Memobase ID, Central records of collections ID, Musica Baltica person ID, Standard Citation Forms ID, Montana Field Guide species ID, PRISM Break project ID, Idaho Species ID, Room of Names ID, ZKM person ID, fotodok ID, IFFR film director ID, EUIPO OoC-name id, Gutenberg Biographics ID, EUIPO OoC-work id, Games@Mail.ru ID, museumPASSmusées ID, Handlingar.se, NAD agent ID, Bundesstiftung Aufarbeitung person ID, OlympicsIL ID


 * Query examples:
 * Lakes within 10 km of Berlin
 * Old bath pictures from Swedish Digitalmuseum
 * Bath water in Sweden [https://query.wikidata.org/embed.html#%23title%3A%20Swedish%20Bathwaters%20with%20line%20to%20connected%20water%0A%23defaultView%3AMap%7B%22hide%22%3A%5B%22%3Fbathcoord%22%2C%22%3Flakecoord%22%2C%22%3Fline%22%2C%22%3Fstr%22%2C%22%3Flayer%22%5D%7D%0ASELECT%20%3Fstr%20%3Fbathwater%20%3FbathwaterLabel%20%3Fbathcoord%20%3Flake%20%3FlakeLabel%20%3Flakecoord%20%3Fdist%20%3Fline%20%3FSJOID%20%3Flayer%20%3FEionetBathingWaterIDentifier%20%3FHav%20%3FVISS%20WHERE%20%7B%0A%20%20%3Fbathwater%20wdt%3AP6104%20wd%3AQ106774536.%0A%20%20%20%3Fbathwater%20%20wdt%3AP625%20%3Fxx.%0A%20%20%20%3Fbathwater%20%20p%3AP625%20%5B%20a%20wikibase%3ABestRank%20%3B%0A%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20psv%3AP625%20%5B%0A%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20wikibase%3AgeoLatitude%20%3Fbathcoordlat%20%3B%0A%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20wikibase%3AgeoLongitude%20%3Fbathcoordlon%20%3B%0A%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20wikibase%3AgeoGlobe%20%3Fglobe%20%3B%0A%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%5D%20%3B%0A%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20ps%3AP625%20%3Fbathcoord%0A%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%5D%0A%20%20OPTIONAL%20%7B%20%3Fbathwater%20wdt%3AP9616%20%3FEionetBathingWaterIDentifier.%20%7D%0A%20%20%7B%0A%20%20%20%20%3Fbathwater%20wdt%3AP206%20%3Flake.%0A%20%20%20%3Flake%20%20wdt%3AP625%20%3Frr.%0A%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%3Flake%20%20p%3AP625%20%5Ba%20wikibase%3ABestRank%20%3B%0A%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20psv%3AP625%20%5B%0A%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20wikibase%3AgeoLatitude%20%3Flat%20%3B%0A%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20wikibase%3AgeoLongitude%20%3Flong%20%3B%0A%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20wikibase%3AgeoGlobe%20%3Fglobe2%20%3B%0A%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%5D%20%3B%0A%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20ps%3AP625%20%3Flakecoord%0A%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%5D%0A%20%20%20%20OPTIONAL%20%7B%20%3Flake%20wdt%3AP761%20%3FSJOID.%20%7D%0A%20%20%7D%0A%20%20%20BIND%28geof%3Adistance%28%3Fbathcoord%2C%20%3Flakecoord%29%20as%20%3Fdist%29%20.%20%0A%20%20%23filter%20%28%3Fdist%20%3E%3D%203%29%0A%20%20BIND%20%28floor%28%3Fdist%2F10%29%2a10%20as%20%3Flayer%29%20%0A%20%20BIND%28CONCAT%28%27LINESTRING%20%28%27%2C%20STR%28%3Fbathcoordlon%29%2C%20%27%20%27%2C%20STR%28%3Fbathcoordlat%29%2C%20%27%2C%27%2C%20STR%28%3Flong%29%2C%20%27%20%27%2C%20STR%28%3Flat%29%2C%20%27%29%27%29%20AS%20%3Fstr%29%20.%0A%20%20BIND%28STRDT%28%3Fstr%2C%20geo%3AwktLiteral%29%20AS%20%3Fline%29%20%0A%20%20BIND%28URI%28CONCAT%28%22https%3A%2F%2Fbadplatsen.havochvatten.se%2Fbadplatsen%2Fkarta%2F%23%2Fbath%2F%22%2C%3FEionetBathingWaterIDentifier%29%29%20AS%20%20%3FHav%29%0A%20%20BIND%28URI%28CONCAT%28%22https%3A%2F%2Fviss.lansstyrelsen.se%2FWaters.aspx%3FwaterEUID%3DSE%22%2C%3FSJOID%29%29%20AS%20%3FVISS%29%0A%20%20SERVICE%20wikibase%3Alabel%20%7B%20bd%3AserviceParam%20wikibase%3Alanguage%20%22en%2Csv%22.%20%7D%0A%7D%0AORDER%20BY%20DESC%28%3Fdist%29 with distance to the center of the lake it is connected to]
 * Bath water in Sweden located in Nature reserves (protected area, geojson)
 * Map of the standard English and Welsh spellings of all places in the database (Source)
 * Films directed by Agnès Varda and their publication date (Source)
 * List of women who hold or have held the position of rector at a university (Source)
 * Schema examples:
 * EntitySchema:E319 - European bath waters
 * Newest WikiProjects:
 * WikiProject European Bath Waters - Europe is open up and its summer - lets add bath waters to Wikidata


 * Development
 * Working on no longer using the Query Service to evaluate Constraints Checks regular expressions (this should make our checks faster and allow for further improvements) (T176312)
 * Changing the rate limits for assigning Item IDs further, which should result in even fewer Q-IDs being skipped in the future (T284538)
 * Finalizing the concepts for a tool to help work on mismatches between Wikidata's data and other databases/websites/...

You can see all open tickets related to Wikidata here. If you want to help, you can also have a look at the tasks needing a volunteer.


 * Monthly Tasks
 * Add labels, in your own language(s), for the new properties listed above.
 * Comment on property proposals: all open proposals
 * Contribute to a Showcase item.
 * Help translate or proofread the interface and documentation pages, in your own language!
 * Help merge identical items across Wikimedia projects.
 * Help write the next summary!

Read the full report · Unsubscribe · Mohammed Sadat (WMDE) 14:41, 14 June 2021 (UTC)

Tech News: 2021-24
 Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes
 * Logged-in users on the mobile web can choose to use the advanced mobile mode. They now see categories in a similar way as users on desktop do. This means that some gadgets that have just been for desktop users could work for users of the mobile site too. If your wiki has such gadgets you could decide to turn them on for the mobile site too. Some gadgets probably need to be fixed to look good on mobile.
 * Language links on Wikidata now works for multilingual Wikisource.

Changes later this week
 * There is no new MediaWiki version this week.

Future changes
 * In the future we can't show the IP of unregistered editors to everyone. This is because privacy regulations and norms have changed. There is now a rough draft of how showing the IP to those who need to see it could work.
 * German Wikipedia, English Wikivoyage and 29 smaller wikis will be read-only for a few minutes on 22 June. This is planned between 5:00 and 5:30 UTC.
 * All wikis will be read-only for a few minutes in the week of 28 June. More information will be published in Tech News later. It will also be posted on individual wikis in the coming weeks.

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20:25, 14 June 2021 (UTC)

Editing news 2021 #2
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Earlier this year, the Editing team ran a large study of the Reply Tool. The main goal was to find out whether the Reply Tool helped newer editors communicate on wiki. The second goal was to see whether the comments that newer editors made using the tool needed to be reverted more frequently than comments newer editors made with the existing wikitext page editor.

The key results were:


 * Newer editors who had automatic ("default on") access to the Reply tool were more likely to post a comment on a talk page.
 * The comments that newer editors made with the Reply Tool were also less likely to be reverted than the comments that newer editors made with page editing.

These results give the Editing team confidence that the tool is helpful.

Looking ahead

The team is planning to make the Reply tool available to everyone as an opt-out preference in the coming months. This has already happened at the Arabic, Czech, and Hungarian Wikipedias.

The next step is to resolve a technical challenge. Then, they will deploy the Reply tool first to the Wikipedias that participated in the study. After that, they will deploy it, in stages, to the other Wikipedias and all WMF-hosted wikis.

You can turn on "Discussion Tools" in Beta Features now. After you get the Reply tool, you can change your preferences at any time in Special:Preferences.

–Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk)

00:27, 16 June 2021 (UTC)

Undelete can't be given to non-admins
A "Page viewers" user group won't happen. For legal reasons only admins can see deleted content. — Alexis Jazz (talk or ping me) 23:20, 20 June 2021 (UTC)


 * , but why? There is nothing inherently special about admins as they also come in different levels (Checkusers, Bureaucrats, Stewards, Etc.), technically elections like these can also be held for "Page viewers" and they can also be "confirmed by the WMF". Admins simply have more tools, they are not an anointed special race that are above others and your proposal for "Maintainers" also would've delegated a lot of admin powers to a new user group. Note that it's not the ability to undelete, only to view deleted items. --Donald Trung (talk) 07:59, 21 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Checkuser and Bureaucrat are roles that technically can be given to someone who is not an admin. And this is exactly why "maintainers" wouldn't have had undelete. It's due to copyright. People who patrol and clean up copyright violations get undelete because they need it. Nobody else. It's just a legal issue. Access to copyright violations has to be very strictly controlled. — Alexis Jazz (talk or ping me) 11:46, 21 June 2021 (UTC)


 * , but Page viewers also wouldn't have undelete, at most they can nominate a page for undeletion like how a new user could nominate an existing page for deletion, but they can't share copyright violations anymore than any other user can, just view them. Page viewers can't restore anything, just see what's deleted.


 * "" This is for people that need access to currently deleted items but can't undelete them themselves, that would still be up to admins. --Donald Trung (talk) 11:59, 21 June 2021 (UTC)
 * It's not about sharing. They are not allowed to have access to copyright violations. Who can undelete doesn't matter, non-admins are not allowed to have access to deleted content or Wikimedia could legally be judged as a private file sharing site. This is a legal limitation, not a consensus issue. Just forget this. — Alexis Jazz (talk or ping me) 12:07, 21 June 2021 (UTC)
 * , ah, I am somewhat genuinely surprised that there is a legal distinction between admins and non-admins as we usually hear that "admins are just users with extra tools" but this is apparently untrue? What qualifies admins to be different in the eyes of the law? Is it their ability to delete content? --Donald Trung (talk) 12:17, 21 June 2021 (UTC)
 * I'm not really sure what the law says, but I roughly know the WMF guidelines. (no idea if/where they are written down) Compare fair use law and WP:NFCC. People with undelete have to be thoroughly vetted and they have to actively help maintain the site. — Alexis Jazz (talk or ping me) 12:35, 21 June 2021 (UTC)


 * See also: https://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Blockers (which I think is a horrible idea, but does show the technical ability to give currently exclusive admin rights to other (new) user groups). --Donald Trung (talk) 08:01, 21 June 2021 (UTC)


 * Going over it again I think that I misworded the proposal, largely because it started as "an afterthought", these users can only see deleted pages but not edit or undelete them, they have a "Request undeletion" button that opens an undeletion request like a "Nominate for deletion" button does the opposite. The pages won't be visible to anyone other than users with this right until a page has been undeleted by an admin. --Donald Trung (talk) 08:06, 21 June 2021 (UTC)