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Kinneloa Mesa, California
I fixed everything myself before noticing that you had asked the question of how to fix it on the talk page of Talk:Kinneloa mesa. Deletes are rarely necessary - as I did, redirects are all that is necessary. To redirect, use this code for example:


 * 1) REDIRECT Kinneloa Mesa

If the location to which you want to move the article does not yet exist, then you can use the 'move' tab button at the top of the page. That will automatically create a redirect from the old page to the new one. If you have any more questions, feel free to ask on my talk page! --└Smith120bh/TALK┐ 04:32, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

Westhill High School
Nope, problem 2 wasn't me. But I did just fix problem 1. I requested a speedy deletion of the Connecticut page (by inserting   to the top of the page), an admin then deleted it, and I moved the CT page over. --└Smith120bh/TALK┐ 18:10, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your NY NHL work!
I see you've been creating some of those articles we didn't have. Especially Riverby ... now all I have to do is worry about getting up there to take a picture one of these days. Keep up the good work! Daniel Case 08:08, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

Two tips: Use cite web or the  syntax for any web links you want to add as references so the URLs themselves don't clutter up the page. And use PDFlink for links to PDFs.

Also, don't use other Wikipedia articles as sources and don't use the article space to discuss issues with the article. I solved that by redirectifying Dutch Reformed Church (Tarrytown, New York) to Old Dutch Church of Sleepy Hollow when I confirmed via the NPS NHL writeup that they were the same building. But that solution isn't always available, so keep discussion on the talk page.

And BTW, it's "Adirondack Park" because that's the term used in the state statutes defining it (ECL 9-0101(1)) and by many many mapmakers. It's thus official and in wide use to boot. The article itself explains why that term is used. Daniel Case 03:03, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

Continuing advice: Don't assume the separate RHP cats for counties exist unless you already know they do (like the one I created for Orange County, which is currently the only separate county one). Stick with "Registered Historic Places in New York" and just put the county cat last (and speaking of which, Hyde Park is in Dutchess County, not Westchester). Daniel Case 03:54, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

And all RHPs in New York City should be put in "Registered Historic Places in New York City" until we start subdividing them by borough (it's always "Brooklyn", never "Kings County, New York" and ditto for the other four). Daniel Case 03:56, 3 September 2007 (UTC)


 * There is a category "Registered Historic Places in Manhattan" dm 04:39, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

There are no state subcategories for National Historic Landmarks yet (BTW, I finally split off Arden (estate) into a separate article, although I think I may have to rename it again). There probably should be as has a potential size of 2,000+ articles (way too big), but this needs to be discussed at the WP:NRHP talk page since the category is currently added automatically when "nhl" or "nhld" is entered as the value for nrhp_type in the infobox. Thus there would be issues in creating a subcat for states (or even New York City, which could certainly support one) without modifying the infobox code (I bet it would be possible to have it read from the location fields and add to a subcat automatically, but I'm not that skilled with template syntax). Daniel Case 16:35, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

Another tip: NHLs that are historic district take the "nhld" value for nrhp_type.

Also, seeing where you're going with these stubs you're writing, do you think you could hold off on Old Blenheim Bridge? It would take the bridge infobox instead of NRHP and come under that project as well. Daniel Case 20:24, 6 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Hi, when you're going through the NRHP's, if the various NHL documents are already used as references, there's no need to put them in External links. In fact, even if you find something new, it's probably better to put them in as references, rather than external links.  IMHO.  Thanks for your work though, When I finished off all the NHL's in Manhattan, I lost some steam for a while.  It's been building back up now that it's getting cooler :)  dm 04:38, 10 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Also, are you removing references like on purpose? If so, why?  I noticed you did it on Central Synagogue as well as one other entry.  Thanks Daniel Case 00:55, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes, this is me, the four ~ should have left my name there :(  You're trying to figure out which reference should be used to document which fact.  I was just trying to get all of the references I could in there.  They often cover much of the same material, but I tried to make sure they didnt stack up as [1][2][3][4], etc.   I love the Nomination PDF's you're finding by the way, excellent references to add. Daniel Case 00:55, 12 September 2007 (UTC) (dm)

Perrine's Bridge is actually the closest covered bridge to me, but someone else already shot it. Other than that, there are a few in the Catskills — Beaverkill, Turnwood — that I might be able to cover if and when I get up there to go hiking again (I've been introducing my son to the joys of hiking, but he's been partial to the (closer to us) Hudson Highlands so far). Old Blenheim would be quite a stretch ... I'll keep an eye on Flickr.

I have pictures coming soon of Vassar College Observatory, Old Main and Locust Grove.

I moved Hudson River Heritage Historic District to Hudson River Historic District ... that's the official name. I think the state likes the "Heritage" bit. I had been planning to create that only when I got the right picture, which would be a challenge ... hopefully from Staatsburg or Rhinecliff, with the cross-river view (much better in morning light) and maybe some buildings in front. That would illustrate it best. I'm glad you didn't put in a map because it's a very large district. I might create one later from the description in the application. Daniel Case 00:55, 12 September 2007 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Daniel Case (talk • contribs) 00:53, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

In general, infobox names should match article titles IMO. It creates some confusion with the reader otherwise. I have been adding "State Historic Site" where relevant for a long time: Washington's Headquarters State Historic Site, where it's as important that the state made it the first-ever state historic site in the country as it is that Washington slept there, for instance. You can't always go by the names the NPS uses, as the project has recognized ... Slabsides is always going to remain that way; no one calls it "John Burroughs Cabin" and we wouldn't use that in the infobox. The federal naming system also omits the "National Historic Site" on a number of sites so designated.

The register number is all the connection to the official system we need, IMO, and it's right there in the infobox.

I'll leave John Jay's home the way you did it until I get a picture (I had one but the memory card with it and I lost everything on it). Daniel Case 02:40, 16 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Update to that: I was back in the area last weekend and got it, plus a contemporary one for the Elephant Hotel. They have snow on them, which actually improves on what I would have gotten in summertime and makes them look all Currier & Ives-y. It will take my usual eternity to add them, unless you want them earlier. Daniel Case (talk) 06:07, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

The more that I think about it, I can see your point re: State Historic Site in the infobox, it's sort of superfluous (though for now I'm not changing some of the local ones that have it).

I guess we need a line in the infobox where we can tell people how it's listed if the name commonly used is not the one in the NRHP data base. The bridge infobox is set up that way ... sort of to accomodate situations like the one that used to prevail with Cabin John Bridge (read the article it redirects to).

In that direction, I have some interesting issues coming up with U.S. Post Office (Wappingers Falls, New York) and Gardiner School. Both of them are now used and commonly known as their communities' municipal buildings. I can't very well put "U.S. Post Office" in the infobox for the former, can I? Because Wappingers Falls has a new post office a few blocks away.

Maybe I'll raise this over at the project talk page. Daniel Case 03:29, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

As far as the pictures go, I think there may be some issue with the Commons servers. I've seen it on other articles. Daniel Case 03:31, 16 September 2007 (UTC)