User talk:Doncram/Archive 26

Could use your help with Mat article
Hi, bro. I have provided a Russian / English translation for the Mat article. Unfortunately, one of the editors has been reverting some of my edits. He appears to think that the translation is 'original research'. I am completely blown away by this stance as I have provided the translation from Russian into English using my own skills in both languages. By definition, there can't be any 'verifiable sources' other than my work and my word.

Can you help resolve this strange situation? Thanks in advance.--Harald Forkbeard (talk) 03:05, 28 July 2015 (UTC) I agree with you. We need less editors like Ricky around here. He's just out to destroy — Preceding unsigned comment added by 166.171.121.182 (talk) 23:01, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

My page being deleted
Just wondered why my pages are being deleted? All the content on them is factually correct and nothing is contentious or offensive. I'm wanting to preserve the information from this year to view in future years.--[that was from Chrispalmer10(?)]


 * I replied in this diff at Talk:2010%E2%80%9311_Edinburgh_Rugby_season. Hope this helps. -- do  ncr  am  00:21, 30 July 2015 (UTC)

Template:S-line
You still did not direct to the correct article in Template:TRA stations. I have fixed that. Secondarywaltz (talk) 14:35, 7 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks,, and thanks for the feedback. That was about this correction from Yangmei (Taiwan) to Yangmei (Shenzen).  FYI i arrived at this just because Yangmei disambiguation page had built up a good number of incoming dablinks, including this one at Puxin Station.  I did try to notify the editor who created the dablink by my pinging them from Talk:Puxin Station, so it would get more eyeballs anyhow.  And i did figure out how to implement the correction format-wise, not easy. Glad you caught it.  -- do  ncr  am  14:58, 7 August 2015 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Template:NRHP generator pretty-good request
Template:NRHP generator pretty-good request has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 21:54, 7 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Gee thanks. Is this a poke with a sharp stick? Without commenting on what it means, i'd say keep, though it could be tagged  as historical.  Some might say it's part of wikiproject history, and deleting it would reduce--and skew to one side--anyone's ability to understand how some serious past disagreements in the wikiproject played out.  Wikipedia is amazing for sociologists and others to study, because there is a (nearly) complete and publicly available record of its processes, if the materials are not simply deleted (to save space?).  -- do  ncr  am  23:09, 7 August 2015 (UTC)

forget you worries
I regret that from recent interaction it did not came clear to you that I am extremely respectful to logic in discussion, but I also understand that people no computers and have emotions, and sloppy thinking, and a habit of writing before reading, and reading other people's mind, and whats not, and the only thing I don't tolerate is sustained personal attacks. (And what constitutes an attack is never allowed to be decided by the attacker.) - üser:Altenmann >t 15:23, 8 August 2015 (UTC)

Nomination of List of delisted National Register of Historic Places properties for deletion
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Your submission at Articles for creation: Christopher Drew (investigative reporter) (August 11)
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How far is a paul?
This source I was using refers to "pauls" a unite of distance. I believe it's form 1849. I can't find anything about such a measurement or usage. Any ideas? Is it a religious thing liek a reference to St. Paul maybe in tribute? Where should I ask? Just curious. Thanks. OrganicEarth (talk) 18:39, 13 August 2015 (UTC)
 * No doubt St. Paul was taller than the short Harvard [short-ish MIT] student who was used like a yardstick to count the distance in smoots across a bridge. :) -- do ncr  am  19:18, 13 August 2015 (UTC)


 * , probably you mean Paua, not Paul? Lots of hits on "measure Paua" and "Paua measure".  NZ regulations per "Guidelines for gathering paua" specifies 80mm or 125mm size limits for two species.  I like this tool which has a "paua measure", for use when diving. -- do  ncr  am  19:29, 13 August 2015 (UTC)


 * But I had not looked at your source, where a paul has to be larger, in context. Sorry, i have no good answer.  do  ncr  am  19:34, 13 August 2015 (UTC)


 * Stumbled across this discussion: It might indeed be related to St Paul, but via the London church (or should that be cathedral, even in the 12th century?). I understand from an internet source that, in at attempt to define the foot more carefully, the length of the "foot of St Paul" was used. So, the author is being precise by defining which defintion of 'foot' he is using, in a time when definitions of this measure varied around the world. See also de pedibus Sancti Pauli.  Klbrain (talk) 00:49, 19 August 2015 (UTC)


 * A bit more on the this. I looked up the Oxford English Dictionary (online through local library), which has "Paul's foot" defined as "Paul's foot  n. Obs. a unit of measurement equivalent to the length of the foot of the figure of Algar (Ethelgar) carved on the base of a column in old St Paul's Cathedral." with quotations demonstrating its use ranging in date from 1380 to 1852. It doesn't seem to be listed under just 'paul' though.Klbrain (talk) 01:01, 19 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Neat stuff!, are you watching? That is simply very interesting and
 * provides definitely interesting trivia to add to Æthelgar (archbishop of Canterbury) article, probably the one depicted at St. Paul's, rather than Algar (a hermit), and to the St. Paul's article, and to some list of distance measures.
 * But, like my attempt, this measure comes up short...too short for OrganicEarth's source, where to me it sounds like a Paul must be somewhere between 100 meters and a few kilometers:
 * p. 500: "We soon got into forest and jungle, with here and there a few Coffee trees, keeping constantly rising. At a distance of about 6 pauls we came to a small hamlet called Wonosari...."
 * p. 85: "...after proceeding westward for a couple of pauls, you again find yourself surrounded by forest and thickly tangled jungle.... ...the breadth of the plain from the hills to the Kediri river is about 20 pauls...
 * I wondered before if a "paul" was the distance of Paul the Apostle's "First Missionary Journey", his second one, or his third one but those are hundreds or thousands of kilometers long, too long in context.
 * Could a Paul be a different measure from Old St. Paul's Cathedral, such as its length (it was once among the longest cathedrals, apparently)? I don't see its length right away, but the longest cathedrals ever range up towards 212 meters.  Or a measure of St. Paul's Cathedral (completed 1720) such as its length, about 158 meters?
 * Thank you,, for sharing. I haven't followed all your links yet, will do so. -- do  ncr  am  02:01, 19 August 2015 (UTC)

Maybe it's some kind of inside joke to substitute a "Paul" for a mile? Maybe they were playing of the foot measurement? I don't know. It is interesting and wacky.. I wonder if someone reads the source form the beginning if it's explained.. :) OrganicEarth (talk) 05:06, 19 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Good idea, but the search on word "paul" should have found all instances, including any upfront definition. The Google book is completely readable, just drop the searching on word "paul", as in this view of the book (with search field at left being empty).  Browsing just a little, I don't find any explanation.  Maybe search on "measurement" or other terms?  It seems to be a collection of serious papers, so outright joking seems unlikely, but nonetheless it could be an inside term among the academics(?) writing the papers. -- do  ncr  am  05:26, 19 August 2015 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: A Night with Janis Joplin (August 13)
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 * With the record you have as an established editor why wouldn't you just publish this yourelf? nothing wrong with afc just curious. Hell in a Bucket (talk) 04:55, 14 August 2015 (UTC)

Undid your changes regarding Dalrymple
Hi, in hindsight, I'm not so sure anymore about your changes I undid regarding Dalrymple. Turns out there is a bit of confusion about a Dalrymple in East and South Ayrshire, although it looks to be the same one. I left a message on the Scottish board, they should be able to figure it out. So sorry about that, --Midas02 (talk) 03:57, 14 August 2015 (UTC)
 * And in retrospect I could have been wrong too. I recall figuring out that there was just one Dalrymple, and that it was near the border, and I figured the border had changed at some point.  Dalrymple appeared to be in East Ayrshire now.   But just now, I am able to bring up this view in Google Maps (by searching for East Ayrshire, which highlighted the area, not searching on Dalyrmple).  So it shows Dalrymple truly being right at the border or spanning the border (East Ayrshire in red-bordered area to right; South Ayrshire to the left).  When zoom in it appears the dividing line is the River Doon, there, with the biggest part of Dalrymple settlement being on the north side (East Ayrshire).  Property on either side could be "in Dalrymple", perhaps.  I had not found nothing suggesting it is a legal township or a formal entity;  I don't know whether the Parish of Dalrmple would have a strict border, so maybe it is a community that has fluid border and spans the river.  Thanks,  for paying attention.  My edits there should be reviewed.  However, if an error was made it wasn't a big one, it is just referring to the other side of the river not a faraway place. -- do  ncr  am  04:31, 14 August 2015 (UTC)

Those three were the only Dalrymple ones I did; i must have lacked confidence in other cases so I moved on. Looks to me like my edits were correct as far as they went. I'm not going to change anything further and trust you can put these right. Hope this info helps in getting any local consultation, too. , thanks again for caring about getting this stuff correct. do ncr  am  05:04, 14 August 2015 (UTC)
 * The Lindston Loch must be in East Ayrshire, because the box mentions outflow via Dustyhall Burn that joins the Purclewan Burn. The latter is a stream then joining River Doon from the north (East Ayrshire) side.  In my edit I replaced Dalrymple by Dalrymple, East Ayrshire, which would be correct.  I further now suspect the "South Ayrshire" also mentioned in the article is incorrect...but as used in the article it is once part of the phrase "South Ayrshire Council District", could a district mainly in South Ayrshire span the border, i don't know, so I would not change that.  do  ncr  am  04:49, 14 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Thorntons Gap changed in this diff correctly put that in Australia.
 * Kerse Loch's outflow is to the Kerse Burn, and this Google view shows a Kerse Burn north of the Doon, so my replacing Dalrymple by Dalrmple, East Ayrshire was correct. (But again there is a "South Ayrshire" there, that I did not change.)

Cryptophyte dab at Ipomoea oenotherae
Hi Doncram. I cleaned up this article in response to another editor's request, because they saw that I'm a German translator. From German Wiki and other articles, I assumed cryptophyte referred to the first of the 2 entries at cryptophyte which doesn't have its own article, so I thought it best to leave it pointing to the dab page rather than leave it unlinked. However, I'm not a botanist so cannot be certain this is the right meaning, nor could I create the article for it. The reason I may have a few "ambiguous link" hits is that I'm fairly prolific at translating articles so out of the thousands of links that I create during translation, a few are bound to point to dab pages. Any that the bot flags to me up I fix where possible, unless someone beats me to it! Hope that helps. Bermicourt (talk) 19:42, 14 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I like your idea of linking fixes to domains. Hope you can get support for that. Bermicourt (talk) 20:35, 14 August 2015 (UTC)

Briar (thicket) redirect request: Rejected


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 * A Thicket is made of Briar, it itself is not Briar and therefore will not be considered as a redirect.'''

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 * Oh? But redirects are cheap.  I removed the PROD and opened discussion at Talk:Thicket. -- do  ncr  am  07:32, 16 August 2015 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of "Büch (surname)"
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 * It's not an article, it is a redirect.
 * Much like for the "Briar (thicket)" redirect, also prodded just now, as I explain at the discussion, I expected to group incoming links ... and this is part of a bigger effort to facilitate review of incoming links to surname pages ... ah, whatever, I am not going into it all. I don't care if this one gets removed now, as I had not yet revised any links to come in to it.  I can start elsewhere, later, and I will request deletion of the redirect now myself, to avoid need for discussion. -- do  ncr  am  07:40, 16 August 2015 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Canadian Wikipedians' notice board/ArticlesNeedingDisambiguation2015-08-16


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 * Did you mean for this to go somewhere other than article space? —Largo Plazo (talk) 02:01, 18 August 2015 (UTC)


 * Again changing my follow-up. I see that you moved it. —Largo Plazo (talk) 02:09, 18 August 2015 (UTC)

Dutch Reform v. Emmanuel / Immanuel
Greetings Doncram. Do you know anything about churches? I'm curious about the Dutch Reformed Churches I've come across in the Dutch East Indies. At least a few have become Emmanuel / Immanuel churches. I found an article on the Dutch Reformed Church, but the Immanuel Church / Emmanuel Church aritcle is just a list. And includes Baptist, Episcopal and Lutheran churches. I suppose it makes sense that in independent Indonesia attending a "Dutch.. Church" would be perhaps weird? But what is an Emmanuel / Immanuel Church? How different is it from Dutch Reformed? Is it just a generalized basket for Protestant churches? I noticed that there are also Emmanuel AME churches. Who was Immanuel / Emmanuel? I gather it means God is with Us and it a name of the child the Bible says will be born to a virgin.. so this is just another name for Jesus while also saying God is with us? It's not a denomination of any sort? Thanks. OrganicEarth (talk) 06:50, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
 * I browsed about this some without success. It happens i have developed a number of big list-articles of churches in various denominations, but that doesn't help me here. -- do  ncr  am  01:34, 23 August 2015 (UTC)

spinhuis or spinnhus
I have another random question.. do you know why jails are called spinning houses? Spinning house is even a redirect to house of correction. Interestingly in the Midwest they actually had jails that spun so cells could be accessed one at a time (rotary jail). In Dutch jails seem often to be called spinhuis.. Is there a place to ask about this kind of thing or is it discouraged? Seems interesting to me.. perhaps I am losing it.. OrganicEarth (talk) 01:06, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
 * I like the random questions. :), if there is a better place to ask questions like these, I'd like to know, too.  There is the wp:Tearoom but that's for getting help.  You have good questions. :)
 * For this one, i know to search about in conjunction with Stockholm, Sweden... yep, there is a spinnhus bridge...yes, here is what i was looking for: Långholmens spinnhus.  I read this article with a fair amount of horror, a while back, that women deemed "defenceless" were rounded up and imprisoned, to work there.  Maybe that was better than other alternatives.  The article suggests it follows Dutch rasp and spinnhus... oh, here is Rasphuis for the men, literally rasping wood into powder, while "female criminals were sent to the spinhuis".  Spinhuis and Spinnhus are both currently redlinks;  wanna change that?  (I'd start by translating nl:Spinhuis (Amsterdam), i'd be happy to, actually.) -- do  ncr  am  01:34, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
 * What is the spin part? Thread making or something? OrganicEarth (talk) 02:00, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Ah yes, I see. Very cool. Thanks!!! OrganicEarth (talk) 02:01, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
 * See also spinster. Interesting stuff. Thanks so much for your help! OrganicEarth (talk) 02:09, 23 August 2015 (UTC)

De-disambiguation
I de-disambiguate pages in the contest all the time, but we don't get contest credit for it. It's just the right thing to do. Cheers! bd2412 T 02:04, 23 August 2015 (UTC)

Merging the two Albert_C._Schweinfurth articles
Hi Doncram. I just noticed that there are two articles on architect A.C. Schweinfurth. The one we've been working on, and this one, which you created back in 2012, and which hasn't seen much action since. These should be merged, but I've never done a merge in article space. Could you perform the merge, and I'll watch & learn? Cheers, Jtmorgan (talk) 21:56, 23 August 2015 (UTC)

I think we may be stomping on each others' edits at List of peaks named Signal Mountain
I'll pause and let you finish, then I'll go. —hike395 (talk) 04:15, 24 August 2015 (UTC)

ME OW
Thank you for the helpful tips!

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MfD nomination of WikiProject National Register of Historic Places/NHLsandbox5
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Weymouth Sands
My apologies for reverting a recent edit. Seafront seemed to me the best term to describe the picture, but maybe it sounds odd to some ears. Thanks for the other Powys edits -- I almost started a Maiden Castle (novel) stub this morning, but Weymouth Sands needs much more work. Rwood128 (talk) 16:34, 31 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Seafront sounds fine to me. My beef is the ambiguity of "Weymouth" link.  Please see Talk:Weymouth Sands. -- do  ncr  am  16:39, 31 August 2015 (UTC)

Monthly list
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Potential admin?
Hi, I notice you're on List of administrator hopefuls. Wikipedia would benefit from more admins. If you have been editing for more than 12 months (preferably 24+ months), and have been editing fairly consistently for the past 6 months (preferably 12+ months) with at least 100 edits a month (this tool will help) - or an explanation for any gaps, and haven't been blocked or topic banned in the past three years - or have a good explanation for a recent block or ban, don't have a recent history of edit warring or arguing with other editors, feel you can explain why you wish to be an admin, can demonstrate some understanding of Wikipedia's procedures and processes, or know where to go for guidance, and are confident enough to go through a RfA, please get in touch with me. We can talk about it some more, and if all looks OK, I'll nominate you or suggest what you can do to improve your chances.  SilkTork  ✔Tea time  10:36, 1 September 2015 (UTC)
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New Beacon School
You make perfectly valid points. The problem is partly caused by the earlier edits having been made by an anon IP or IPs in repeated "drive-by" edits, and you'll see that I requested semi-protection in order to deal with this problem. Although it was perfectly reasonable for the content about the case in question to be included, this was done in such a way as to emphasize this matter over all others, and clearly implied blame on the part of several named members of the school staff. (I should make it quite clear, in case of doubt, that none of the staff at the school, past or present, are known to me.) Though I always prefer to assume good faith, it became obvious that the anon(s) had a personal grievance and was trying to use the article to discredit the school, knowing what a wide audience wikipedia attracts. In the context of such a case, it is not surprising that there would be strong feelings on the matter, but I know you'll agree that it is not our job to decide whether they are justified or to allow the article to become biased.

If you check out all the edits (which would probably take rather a long time) you'll see, I believe, that I made many attempts to bring the anon edits into line with policy, rather than simply removing them. However, this was never enough to satisfy them and they simply continued to expand on the basic facts, often duplicating content. Now, as a result of the semi-protection, the person behind most of the anon edits has been flushed out. Several people have edited the article since, and I would not argue that it has been improved by these changes. I'm quite happy to discuss it on the talk page if you'd like to debate exactly which content should be included and how it should be worded. Deb (talk) 11:55, 1 September 2015 (UTC)

Greenport, New York dab
Your effort to disambig Greenport, New York in a lot of New York State and County Road-related articles didn't work. Do you want me to ask for help from WP:USRD? -User:DanTD (talk) 02:31, 3 September 2015 (UTC)
 * , I believe i might have figured it out, at least for one of the templates: use location1= rather than city1= and then you can have pipelinked link.  Which pages need fixing? -- do  ncr  am  05:15, 3 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Hi, I've had my dealings with nasty templates in the past. So far I haven't come across one I wasn't able to crack, so feel free to check with me if you're up against an issue. --Midas02 (talk) 05:22, 3 September 2015 (UTC)

National Register of Historic Places listings in Marshall County, Mississippi
Thank you for creating National Register of Historic Places listings in Marshall County, Mississippi. Do you think Lamar, Mississippi used to be located in Marshall County, Mississippi, and it is now in Benton County, Mississippi? Did the border move, or are there two separate small towns in both counties?Zigzig20s (talk) 07:27, 6 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Hi . If i recall correctly, the NRIS data will show the "closest city or town" for a given place, even if the closest significant city or town at the time is in another county. So my first guess is that there was not a county border change, but rather Lamar has always been in Benton County and the Lamar entries in Marshall County are near it, across the border.  And "Lamar" for the Marshall County ones should be replaced by the Marshall County town(s) in which they are actually located, which can probably be sorted out using map displays (Note Mapquest shows county & town borders that Google & Bing do not;  Mapquest shows Lamar is less than 2 miles from the border).  But I don't do NRHP work currently and can't help further;  follow up at wt:NRHP if you need help, or perhaps one of them will notice this and help you here.  Good luck. -- do  ncr  am  12:01, 6 September 2015 (UTC)

Canine to canidae, etc.
Thanks for checking in with me on this topic--nice to see that sometimes I'm still remembered. Heh. But I'm no taxonomist and, with everything going on in my Real Life at the moment, I don't have time to look into it more. Do you think that it would be an issue if you just changed it on that page, and put your rationale in the talk page? That's what I usually do when I'm editing if I think there might be an issue or question. BTW, you can see my own notes about my editing history with WP on my user page under The Horrible Addiction and Recovery. Which I've just updated for this year. Thank you for your determined work on WP--I value this resource highly and it couldn't keep going without all you current volunteers! Elf | Talk 02:03, 8 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Glad I could help. By not doing anything, ha, that doesn't always work for me! Glad you like the Boston Terrier shot. I get to be around a lot of cool dogs while doing dog agility. I like your Stickley house shot.  Syracuse is my parents' old stomping grounds; both were active in the Outing Club at the university there and got their undergraduate degrees there.  I took a look at the missing-images-of-NRHC a year or so ago and tried tracking down some missing ones locally--but it turns out that there are good reasons for the missing ones. As in, some are actually missing. Ah, well, a friend and I had a fun day traipsing around with our cameras.  Elf | Talk 03:59, 8 September 2015 (UTC)

Nomination of Al Qasr International Festival of Theatre ‎ for deletion
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Al Qasr International Festival of Theatre ‎ is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

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Edward Emmett Dougherty
Are you sure that Edward Emmett Dougherty was the same person was Edwin Dougherty? I'm creating Belle Meade Apartments, and I'd like to be certain. Thank you.Zigzig20s (talk) 04:14, 24 September 2015 (UTC)
 * The bio on the NRHP form matches the info on the article you create. I will create a redirect for Edwin Dougherty.Zigzig20s (talk) 04:32, 24 September 2015 (UTC)
 * I added it in the text. The article needs to be rephrased. There is a book about this architect, but I am not sure if we could get a PDF by request.Zigzig20s (talk) 05:36, 24 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Are you sure that Edward Emmett Dougherty and the American Renaissance is a book? I can't find it on WorldCat.Zigzig20s (talk) 05:57, 24 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Any reply?Zigzig20s (talk) 18:12, 3 October 2015 (UTC)
 * , you're not aware of it, but I am under a ban that says I should not be editing NRHP articles, else I would have contributed. Not sure if it applies to responding to requests at my talk page.  Probably better to contact me by email in the future which is not subject to any ban.  Anyhow I can see that back then, when I created the architect article, I was not sure whether Edwin was a typo/misunderstanding or was a different person, because I noted Edwin in a "See also" section.  There were lots of other architects whose names were spelled various ways, so it was a good guess then that the place would turn out to be his.  Glad you can resolve the question, that it is the same person.  There was just a misunderstanding by the site's nominator.  So then add the site to the architect's "Works" section perhaps with a footnote explaining the name mixup in supporting documentation, and it would be nice if you'd also record an entry in the project's tracking system for errors here. -- do  ncr  am  18:24, 3 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Sorry, my question is about the "further reading" section. I can't find this book on WorldCat, so I am wondering if it was even published?Zigzig20s (talk) 18:32, 3 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Oh, okay., someone else added that "further reading" item as it was not in my last version there.  My guess is that it could be effectively unpublished: by a local historian, or it could be an undergrad, masters, or Ph.D. thesis paper, or it could be a library archive file.  I suggest inquiring to Vanderbilt University (the publisher or holder of the material, I gather), to find your way to a librarian who could easily find out.  Hmm, they have lots of librarians.  It could turn out to be in the "Special Collections" area. Good luck, and I'd be curious to know how that turns out. -- do  ncr  am  18:50, 3 October 2015 (UTC)

WikiProject Military history coordinator election
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McGavock-Gaines House
Hi again. Are you able to take a picture of McGavock-Gaines House for Wikimedia Commons please? I will expand the article later. Thank you.Zigzig20s (talk) 07:02, 26 September 2015 (UTC)
 * I take it as a compliment that you think from my contributions that I am an Arkansas local, but I have only been through the area once, pre-Wikipedia, IIRC. So, sorry, can't help with photos.  My contributions in that area were because of a request received, and my wanting to support an editor who I think was local, and for, umm...technical reasons: to support architect articles, to support disambiguation pages, and the like.  Keep up your good work developing articles, though! -- do  ncr  am  18:29, 3 October 2015 (UTC)

New music
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Nomination for merging of Template:NRIS dead link
Template:NRIS dead link has been nominated for merging with Template:Dead link. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. Thank you. Mr. Guye (talk) 23:52, 1 October 2015 (UTC)

New services
Please see WP:AIRLINES, future routes are included in the destinations lists as long as it is backed up by an reliable source. Numurous airline destinations pages have future destinations listed as long as it is confirm and in the GDS. Since Sydney is listed as a future resumption destination, why can't Merida? If you disagree please discuss there. 97.85.113.113 (talk) 16:26, 2 October 2015 (UTC)
 * I went to WP:AIRLINES but that is not a guideline. It is a link to a WikiProject, not even a link to a discussion that ever happened there. Also, I removed Sydney, it is not a current destination either. -- do  ncr  am  00:37, 3 October 2015 (UTC)
 * The guideline is WP:AIRPORT-CONTENT. The IP's edits were perfectly in line with the guideline and have been restored. Your assumption of bad faith was unwarranted, and the tag was disruptive and unneeded. It has been removed. oknazevad (talk) 14:25, 3 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Noting: I arrived at the American Airlines destinations page because of disambiguation needed there. I found my way to past AFD for that page, which was a 2nd AFD, and there was/is lots of disagreement.  Accusing a person you've never interacted with before of making "disruptive" edits seems like an "assumption of bad faith", not a good way to start, though it does communicate battleground mentality and unpleasantness going on there.  I went to User talk:Oknazevad to see if an IP had requested that editor to get involved, but no, so it seems likely to have been that editor.  And there's lots of illwill going on there, in discussion section of that diff regarding bullying plus more in discussions with others, higher. -- do  ncr  am  18:08, 3 October 2015 (UTC)
 * I am not the IP editor. I am, however, a watcher of the WT:AIRLINES talk page, and when the IP came to ask about the situation, I jumped in.
 * Plainly put, the IP's edits were sourced and fully within guidelines, even if he didn't point to the correct guideline. You were the one that started an edit war removing appropriate, sourced information and then overreacted by using a wholly inappropriate tag. So yes, it was disruptive. This is not news to you, Don, you've been here long enough and have had issues before (I also keep an eye on ANI, and other boards). Your behavior was decidedly battlegroundish, and needed to be stopped. (As for the outside discussion, it's irrelevant, and frankly I was harp rely the only one involved in that pointless dispute. ) oknazevad (talk) 13:02, 6 October 2015 (UTC)

Asking for view
Hello, you seem a good person to advice me on this thing after reading your userpage related to bullying. I have been harassed and bullied by Wikipedia Administrators. I feel they impose unhealthy restrictions on good faith editors who want to help and discourage them. I have edited many pages on Wikipedia lying dormant and outdated, some even since 2007-08. Some of my edits were unacceptable to few admins and they started imposing restrictions. I have never engaged in edit warring. I have tried to present my case before them, but they seem biased. I thought I would never come back on Wikipedia but your userpage seems encouraging. Would you please spare some time reading some of my talk page (archive) and contributions and express a neutral opinion. Thanks -- Pankaj Jain Capankajsmilyo (talk · contribs · [//tools.wmflabs.org/xtools-ec/?user=Capankajsmilyo&project=en.wikipedia.org count])  04:41, 5 October 2015 (UTC)

Keeping an eye on MilHist
I've asked Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Military history to try and make this a very productive month. Can you check up on them in a few days? — Dispenser 02:59, 7 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks, and will do. I like your relatively Minimalist post there, particularly your encouraging editors to create redirects and make other changes.  We oughta have a Guide section to link to about that.  By the way, to address one MilHIst item there, KISS principle's ambiguous link Less is more, i just created redirect Less is more (architecture), which goes to a section in Minimalism. :) -- do  ncr  am  18:02, 7 October 2015 (UTC)
 * , I went to follow up there but find it was archived today already, after just 7 days. That is apparently a pretty busy wikiproject talk page. -- do  ncr  am  19:33, 15 October 2015 (UTC)
 * There were about 6 clicks all via my rc tool, only follow throughs from regulars. So a failure.
 * I asked about the less is more approach at Wikiconference 2015 and people thought since the text was quick to read users weren't as invested. So keep writing long.  Also, opinions on posting end of the month leaderboards for WikiProjects?  — Dispenser 17:40, 5 November 2015 (UTC)

some ANI discussion

 * discussion section header added by me --doncram

There is currently a discussion at Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 04:25, 10 October 2015 (UTC)
 * This was about an AFD in progress, for an article that became Candy salad, where it happened I had moved the page during an AFD. Moving an article is allowed although usually not recommended, and I had exercised my judgment that in the specific case it was helpful to move it.  When this was posted I went to ANI and did not see my name mentioned but found mention of the AFD in progress.  The article Candy salad was deleted, anyhow. -- do  ncr  am  19:33, 15 October 2015 (UTC)

This Friday: Women in Architecture edit-a-thon @ Cambridge, MA
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I accidentally rollbacked you on AN/I. I've reverted.--Wehwalt (talk) 11:58, 23 October 2015 (UTC)

WikiProject X Newsletter • Issue 5
Newsletter • October 2015

Hello there! Happy to be writing this newsletter once more. This month:

We did it!

In July, we launched five pilot WikiProjects: WikiProjects Cannabis, Evolutionary Biology, Ghana, Hampshire, and Women's Health. We also use the new design, named "WPX UI," on WikiProject Women in Technology, Women in Red, WikiProject Occupational Safety and Health. We are currently looking for projects for the next round of testing. If you are interested, please sign up on the Pilots page.

Shortly after our launch we presented at Wikimania 2015. Our slides are on Wikimedia Commons.

Then after all that work, we went through the process of figuring out whether we accomplished our goal. We reached out to participants on the redesigned WikiProjects, and we asked them to complete a survey. (If you filled out your survey—thank you!) While there are still some issues with the WikiProject tools and the new design, there appears to be general satisfaction (at least among those who responded). The results of the survey and more are documented in our grant report filed with the Wikimedia Foundation.

The work continues!

There is more work that needs to be done, so we have applied for a renewal of our grant. Comments on the proposal are welcome. We would like to improve what we have already started on the English Wikipedia and to also expand to Wikimedia Commons and Wikidata. Why those? Because they are multilingual projects and because there needs to be better coordination across Wikimedia projects. More details are available in the renewal proposal.

How can the Wikimedia Foundation support WikiProjects?

The Wikimedia Developer Summit will be held in San Francisco in January 2016. The recently established Community Tech team at the Wikimedia Foundation is interested in investigating what technical support they can provide for WikiProjects, i.e., support beyond just templates and bots. I have plenty of opinions myself, but I want to hear what you think. The session is being planned on Phabricator, the Wikimedia bug tracker. If you are not familiar with Phabricator, you can log in with your Wikipedia username and password through the "Login or Register: MediaWiki" button on the login page. Your feedback can help make editing Wikipedia a better experience.

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Halloween cheer!


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List of firsts in architecture
Hi,

I just started List of firsts in architecture. I know you are an expert on the history of buildings and wonder if you would add to the list. Thanks in advance, Ottawahitech (talk) 06:55, 1 November 2015 (UTC)

Disambiguating Washington Township, New Jersey
There are multiple places that share the name Washington Township, New Jersey. In a densely packed state, this often creates confusion, with a pair of these Washington Townships located just miles apart, with one of these Washington Townships surrounding a Washington Borough. I've tried to describe this in various articles by linking to that list of shared names. In this edit, you removed the wikilink to the article, as you did in two other articles for the Washington Townships in Burlington and Gloucester Counties. In two other articles, you changed a link from Washington Township, New Jersey to Washington Township, New Jersey (disambiguation), which merely redirects to the first article.

What is the best way to describe this relationship in the article? I could list the four others (and the one former one) in each article, but it has always appeared to me that the best way is just to link to the list.

Why point to Washington Township, New Jersey (disambiguation) which merely redirects back to Washington Township, New Jersey?

Any suggestions from a master disambiguator will be appreciated. Alansohn (talk) 13:34, 2 November 2015 (UTC)


 * Hi, I visited and changed those links because they are mainspace links to a disambiguation page (Washington Township, New Jersey) that are not among the limited allowable exceptions to policy/practice disallowing them. The dab page appears in this month's wp:DPL "Disambiguation Challenge"....see it within this list of 1,000 dab pages having inbound links that must be changed.


 * There is wp:Disambiguation and some guidance in the Style handbook, but in fact IMO the policy is not as clear as it should be. However there is wp:DPL with a lot of machinery that is effectively making mainspace links to dab pages illegal, in most cases.  If I didn't come change those someone else participating in wp:DPL would have, within a few days.  The general rule is that we don't want to link to dab pages because that brings readers to non-articles...and dab pages should only be used to get them to articles, usually...and links to dab pages are almost always unintended.  (In your case however, it was intentional.)  If a link to a dab page "X" is intentional, then you can signal that it is intentional by linking to "X (disambiguation)" which should usually be a redirect to "X".  That signals to wp:DPL and its associated programs that the link is intended and does not need to be "fixed".


 * Legitimate permanent links to disambiguation pages often occur in "See also" sections or in "other uses" type hat-notes, but the link should either go explicitly to "X (disambiguation)" (which shows to the reader that they will arrive at a disambiguation page), or it should go to "X (disambiguation)|X" (which displays just "X"). I personally often prefer for the link to show the "(disambiguation)" to inform the reader in advance, when others might not.  It is certainly okay for you to link to "X (disambiguation)|X", which displays what you intended and also achieves basically what you intended (for the reader to get to the dab page if they click on it, albeit through a redirect).


 * On these pages, frankly I didn't pay that much attention to the best way to present the information, while you have applied more editorial care, so I was probably imperfect in my changes. Perhaps/probably wherever I changed it to link to "X (disambiguation)", you should probably change it now to "X (disambiguation)|X".  I have to disavow being a "master" at this, but I do now know how to get things out of the target hairs of wp:DPL.  :)


 * Hope this helps. -- do ncr  am  15:48, 2 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I'll try that as an approach. Alansohn (talk) 00:43, 3 November 2015 (UTC)

User sandbox:Doncram/sandbox15
You recreated User sandbox:Doncram/sandbox15 after it had correctly been deleted by Anomiebot because "restore redirect that had been deleted by Anomebot. Apparently there was some error, but i don't want bots deleting a personal redirect anyhow." Please don't restore redirects from the main space to your user space, and in general be extra careful when you restore a deleted article or redirect. While you "corrected" the redirect to point ot an existing page, it shouldn't have existed in the first place, and having it deleted twice is overkill. Fram (talk) 14:02, 2 November 2015 (UTC)
 * , what appeared to be in error was the redirect target, which i fixed. Please don't be patronizing, which is how this comes across to me right now.  Bots do erroneous and/or useless things all the time, and when a bot does something that seems inexplicable--perhaps because its edit summary itself is erroneous and/or ambiguous and/or written badly by the programmer, it is most sensible to revert it.  Frankly the quality of most bot editing that i see is quite shoddy and really horrible for Wikipedia.  You must know that, and you're the one who should be careful, about your tone.  Perhaps I would read your tone differently on another day, but what you say rubs me the wrong way right now. -- do  ncr  am  15:13, 2 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Both the redirect target and the redirect source were wrong. You revised the target from User sandbox:Doncram/Sandbox15 to User:Doncram/sandbox15. One would expect that you would notice that the source also had the wrong "User sandbox:" prefix. You didn't. I don't think "shoddy and really horrible" bots or my tone are the problem here, but feer free to blame whichever suits you best. Fram (talk) 15:34, 2 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Right, I did not understand that the "User sandbox:" prefix was a second error; I don't know how it got introduced and I thought that it was a new space like the still-relatively-new "Draft:" space.  Feer free to double down when you are told that your wording has come across as impolite or offensive to someone else.  I suppose that is part of what makes Wikipedia special. -- do  ncr  am  18:26, 3 November 2015 (UTC)

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Interesting edits
I chanced upon this recent deletion of late.

Similarly this, a single-use historic account indicating not-inconsiderable knowledge of coinage and the Manx Treasury, showing edit-summaries inconsistent with a completely new user. This addition particularly indicates advanced code-writing and previous experience of wikitables...now where have we seen all that before now? Noble Manx, eh? Pretentious, moi....?

Para-phrasing a famous quote from an episode of an historic British comedy show "Your name will go on the list...".

I'll keep on, keeping on...--Rocknrollmancer (talk) 21:10, 7 November 2015 (UTC)


 * Thanks for sharing about those two. Among the first one's relatively few edits the most telling is probably this one of Sept 28, 2015.  I expect, but am not positive, that comparison of the first one's edits to the Sock Puppet Investigation will show direct contradictions of policies and/or assertions made and/or refusals to answer direct questions.  The second one is a good catch but perhaps doesn't represent a violation at this point, since it is historic only.  I'll browse further.


 * By the way, I miss most of what must be going on in the "Dad's Army" clip. It seems to be a reversal of Hogan's Heroes?  That setup could be funny if shown within a decade or two of the last time a person watched HH.  Ah, DA ran 1968-1977, overlapping and following HH 1965-1971.  Any other references/parodies go over me head. :(  I don't think i have ever heard of that show.  I do generally enjoy British comedy series like Black Books, have recently found Spank the Pony and Green Room (TV show) which seem not to be covered here. -- do  ncr  am  19:16, 8 November 2015 (UTC)


 * Dad's Army is still being shown on UK aerial TV around 8.30 evenings. The quip "Pretentious, moi....?" is from Fawlty Towers. rgds.--Rocknrollmancer (talk) 21:05, 8 November 2015 (UTC)


 * Ah, now i seem to recall that line there. Fawlty Towers was/is great, but hasn't been popular enough in U.S. for us to make references to it and expect anyone else to get it.  Thanks! -- do  ncr  am  13:04, 10 November 2015 (UTC)

note about University of Berlin
Note: this edit and previous, regarding University of Berlin. Last comment I think wrong as only one of the three existed during time period of other-named one, so it properly redirects to the one. Check, open RFD later.

Talk Page(s) Isle of Man TT motor-cycling network of articles. Isle of Man TT, Brandywell Corner, Ginger Hall,Keppel Gate, Laurel Bank, Windy Corner,
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Marie Serneholt
If you want to, please take a look at the article Marie Serneholt, which is this weeks TAFI article. Regards,--BabbaQ (talk) 20:12, 14 November 2015 (UTC)

Browser problems
Are you unable to see ping notifications as well? I have pinged you twice now on my talk page, but your only response has been your comments at WP:TFD. Frietjes (talk) 21:34, 16 November 2015 (UTC)


 * I replied. -- do ncr  am  22:02, 16 November 2015 (UTC)
 * thank you, a thread has been started at WP:VPT. Frietjes (talk) 22:09, 16 November 2015 (UTC)
 * in case you aren't following the thread at WP:VPT, it should now be fixed per [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=MediaWiki%3ACommon.css&type=revision&diff=691110490&oldid=690653268 this change]. if you are still seeing problems, please let me know, or post at WP:VPT.  thank you. Frietjes (talk) 21:23, 17 November 2015 (UTC)

FYI
Hi,

I see from your user page that you have an interest in disambiguation, which I know almost nothing about. I happened to bump into this: User_talk:Steel1943 and thought it may be of interest to you? (I don’t understand it myself). Ottawahitech (talk) 23:30, 19 November 2015 (UTC)

ArbCom elections are now open!
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ArbCom elections are now open!
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Windy Corner
Thought you'd be interested to see this. Unsure about the accuracy of the history of the piece.--Rocknrollmancer (talk) 10:32, 1 December 2015 (UTC)

NRHP edits in violation of topic ban
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Nominations for the Military history WikiProject historian and newcomer of the year awards now open!
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Season's Greetings!
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Getting better? or worse?
I hesitate to post a Season's Greetings message on other editors’ pages because not everyone celebrates this time of year (and some people are downright miserable), but it sure provides an opportunity to renew old ties, doesn’t it? I was thinking of you when I followed Jimbo’s advice and was clicking thru 10 random articles and one of the articles that showed up was a National Register of Historic Places article.

I don’t remember going thru randoms before - have you? Do you know if it goes thru the complete set of wikipedia articles (as implied by jimbo), or is it only a subset? None of the ten articles which showed up during my "test" were a surprise (2 biographies, 2 geography, one health, one organization, two history, don’t remember the last two, but no "porn" ). I was surprised they all belonged to at least one wiki-project which I recognized except for the history one which belonged to a wikip I did not recognize.

Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Editor Retention seems dead or taken over by special-interest groups, sigh... End of today’s ramble. Take care. Ottawahitech (talk) 15:52, 21 December 2015 (UTC)please ping me

Category:ABC Persons of the Week
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Texarkana station
The discussion at Talk:Texarkana (Amtrak station) may be of interest to you. Secondarywaltz (talk) 18:30, 29 December 2015 (UTC)

Nik Stauskas
I did not notice your comment on my talk page until I archived December's posts a few minutes ago. I did not mean that I 5xed Stauskas. I created it, but the mindset of creation is basically the same. I attempt to include a lot of detail. I will take another look at the article as it relates to the comments.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 00:44, 2 January 2016 (UTC)

Draft:Quality management and continuous improvement in public services concern
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Request for input and assistance
Hi Doncram.

I wanted to ask for your assistance with ongoing issues I am facing on the Emmanuel Lemelson page since I think you offered a few good insights and edits on the Lemelson Capital Management page a few months back. I have been an editor on this page and certainly welcome and respect others' contributions. But two or three editors keep making very destructive edits, including removing multiple paragraphs central to this subject's biographical work, notably his research on several publicly-traded stocks that has been broadly covered in major media (USA Today multiple times, The Wall Street Journal, etc.) and improvements to several other sections, including "Early life and education," "Early business career," and "Religious leadership and philanthropy."

When I question their removal of this well-referenced content that's central to the biography, I get vague criticisms like I am reverting to some older version of the article (untrue), or projecting ownership on the page (untrue), or somehow trying to project the subject in an unjustifiably flattering way (untrue). None of the editors actually seem to take the time to review the improvements and additions they are removing wholesale, even though they are removing well-referenced content that's arguably the most important to the subject's biography and also removing wholesale other important improvements (references requested and added, various formatting and other cleanup, etc.) I've made to several of the article's sections.

I'm hoping you can look at this since reverted version that includes the material they keep removing and the improvements I've made. It's available here: and compare it with the live version to which they keep reverting (Emmanuel Lemelson), which removes all of his investment analysis work and the ensuing impact of this work (all heavily covered in major media) on these stocks and also removes these other useful edits, references and cleanup I've constructively addded in other sections.

I've raised my concerns on the talk page and offered to work collaboratively with them, but I'm receiving no interest in that and they seem insistent on maintaining their destructive edits. I'm allowing their very flawed version of the article to stand for now since I think they've reverted me twice.

I really appreciate any assistance you might offer in assessing what I see as the undeniable need to restore the investment research content and these other improvements they keep insisting on oddly removing. Thanks. Orthodox2014 (talk) 18:34, 6 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Thanks very much for your good assistance and guidance with this. Would very much appreciate if you could stay engaged as we work through this. Thanks! Orthodox2014 (talk) 01:40, 7 January 2016 (UTC)

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WikiProject X Newsletter • Issue 6
Newsletter • January 2016

Hello there! Happy to be writing this newsletter once more. This month:

What comes next

Some good news: the Wikimedia Foundation has renewed WikiProject X. This means we can continue focusing on making WikiProjects better.

During our first round of work, we created a prototype WikiProject based on two ideas: (1) WikiProjects should clearly present things for people to do, and (2) The content of WikiProjects should be automated as much as possible. We launched pilots, and for the most part it works. But this approach will not work for the long term. While it makes certain aspects of running a WikiProject easier, it makes the maintenance aspects harder.

We are working on a major overhaul that will address these issues. New features will include:
 * Creating WikiProjects by simply filling out a form, choosing which reports you want to generate for your project. This will work with existing bots in addition to the Reports Bot reports. (Of course, you can also have sections curated by humans.)
 * One-click button to join a WikiProject, with optional notifications.
 * Be able to define your WikiProject's scope within the WikiProject itself by listing relevant pages and categories, eliminating the need to tag every talk page with a banner. (You will still be allowed to do that, of course. It just won't be required.)

The end goal is a collaboration tool that can be used by WikiProjects but also by any edit-a-thon or group of people that want to coordinate on improving articles. Though implemented as an extension, the underlying content will be wikitext, meaning that you can continue to use categories, templates, and other features as you normally would.

This will take a lot of work, and we are just getting started. What would you like to see? I invite you to discuss on our talk page.

Until next time,

Harej (talk) 02:53, 20 January 2016 (UTC)

Transhumanist politics dispute resolution
Hello! I posted on the dispute resolution noticeboard about a dispute in which you were involved. I would really appreciate it if you tried to help us come to a compromise. --Haptic Feedback (talk) 19:06, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

Hi there, I just want to ask if you will be joining the DRN discussion? If you are, could you please post a summary of the content dispute (DRN is focused on content disputes, not conduct). If not, could you please indicate, on the DRN case, that you do not wish to currently participate in the discussion. Participation is voluntary but helpful in resolving content disputes. You can join in at a later time by simply commenting and/or creating a section for your response. Cheers, Doctor Crazy in Room 102 of The Mental Asylum 01:23, 27 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Fourth round of statements are now up. Discussing the IEET sources. Please respond in 48 hrs if you won't be responding to this section.
 * I also know that you are editing and would appreciate a response. You are still welcome to join the discussion at the DRN. Cheers, Doctor Crazy in Room 102 of The Mental Asylum 03:34, 7 February 2016 (UTC)

Merger discussion for Carretera Central (Puerto Rico)
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Your draft article, Draft:Quality management and continuous improvement in public services


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Savage House (Nashville, Tennessee)
Hello. I was just about to create Savage House (Nashville, Tennessee), but simply does not look like that at all. Where do you think the mistake lies? Thank you.Zigzig20s (talk) 18:59, 9 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Ask User:Andrew Jameson who uploaded the first one, which appears like it should be called The Standard or something else, instead; he may have been uploading lots of pics and just made a mistake in labeling.  Perhaps he has pics of the other building?  Oh, hmm, the two buildings stand side-by-side, as you can see in both photos ... and the nomination document describes an Italianate residence surrounded by larger commercial buildings, so Andrew Jameson's pic appears to be the correct one.  And if you download the photos "asset" document you see that it gives multiple pics with captions and shows that the bank-like building is just the one next door; the subject is clearly the smaller building.  Odd that the photos list starts with the pic showing mostly the bank-like building, not the subject, . -- do  ncr  am  19:06, 9 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Yes, probably. I did a google street view and do they give the wrong address?Zigzig20s (talk) 19:29, 9 February 2016 (UTC)
 * I knew it looked familiar. They are showing the Frost Building (Nashville, Tennessee). How stupid.Zigzig20s (talk) 19:34, 9 February 2016 (UTC)

Draft:List of Harvard residence houses concern
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Your draft article, Draft:Michael Steinberg (lawyer)


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WikiProject X Newsletter • Issue 7
Newsletter • February 2016

This month:

One database for Wikipedia requests

Development of the extension for setting up WikiProjects, as described in the last issue of this newsletter, is currently underway. No terribly exciting news on this front.

In the meantime, we are working on a prototype for a new service we hope to announce soon. The problem: there are requests scattered all across Wikipedia, including requests for new articles and requests for improvements to existing articles. We Wikipedians are very good at coming up with lists of things to do. But once we write these lists, where do they end up? How can we make them useful for all editors—even those who do not browse the missing articles lists, or the particular WikiProjects that have lists?

Introducing Wikipedia Requests, a new tool to centralize the various lists of requests around Wikipedia. Requests will be tagged by category and WikiProject, making it easier to find requests based on what your interests are. Accompanying this service will be a bot that will let you generate reports from this database on any wiki page, including WikiProjects. This means that once a request is filed centrally, it can syndicated all throughout Wikipedia, and once it is fulfilled, it will be marked as "complete" throughout Wikipedia. The idea for this service came about when I saw that it was easy to put together to-do lists based on database queries, but it was harder to do this for human-generated requests when those requests are scattered throughout the wiki, siloed throughout several pages. This should especially be useful for WikiProjects that have overlapping interests.

The newsletter this month is fairly brief; not a lot of news, just checking in to say that we are hard at work and hope to have more for you soon.

Until next time,

Harej (talk) 01:44, 24 February 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for the thanks, but?
Hi   Thanks for the thanks but sorry I am not sure why on Articles for deletion/List of killings by law enforcement officers by countries? You do not seem to be involved, or have I missed something? I have returned recently after an absence of seven years and some things have changed and some have not! Aoziwe (talk) 11:39, 26 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Hi ! Thanks for asking.  Right, I was browsing AFDs to see where I could contribute, and I noticed the constructive note by  ("A good place to ask these questions would have been the creator's talk page before starting an AFD. They're clearly brand new and nominating their only contribution for deletion within a day after they created it without trying to discuss it with them first is rather WP:BITEy (even if it should ultimately be deleted).") then the followups by  ("Seconded.") and yourself ("Yes I agree.  See WP:ODNT too.  Soetermans You might coax them towards a merge with Lists of killings by law enforcement officers, that is, make this (latter) article more than just a list and add some encyclopedic value to it.").  I "thanked" P & O also.  I happen to believe strongly that AFD is a destructive arena where contributors goodwill is generally ground down, and I would like to see AFD guidelines changed to explicitly call for leniency for newbies especially, and to encourage more consideration of alternatives to deletion (e.g. many marginally notable-on-their topics can exist comfortably as a list-item in an appropriate list that exists or can quickly be started).  I've said this before at various AFDs, but haven't found many similarly concerned other editors to try to make a culture change there.  Postdlf gave feedback to the nominator better than I have done (i believe i have seemed more critical), and it is really powerful to see two more editors chiming in and reinforcing/expanding the point.  The point would be to change how frequent or new nominators and delete voters interact with contributors, reduce the damage and make AFD a more civil and even positive place. -- do  ncr  am  20:08, 26 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Yes. My first real experience eight years ago was the same.  Some deletionist tried to stomp all over an article I was just starting too.  I was lucky I think that some other long time wikepedian good samaritan came to my help.  I have just come back now and already run into two experienced wikipedians who have been a little short on WP:AGF.  While my new username is only weeks old (I cannot find my old password) and they think I am new initially, I do have about 18 months of solid work under my belt . . so I just roll with the punches and keep WP:CIVIL in any reply and just move on . . .   We might compare notes again sometime?  Perhaps the start of WP:BEFORE should look like:

Aoziwe (talk) 12:20, 27 February 2016 (UTC)

Thank You
Thanks for saying "They're entitled to be pissed at how horrible Wikipedia can be, and they're entitled to consider reducing their contributions and to consider whether participating in Wikipedia was ever worthwhile" on my talk page. I appreciate it. Eric Cable |  Talk  22:32, 26 February 2016 (UTC)

Lake, Wisconsin
Please look at the Lake, Wisconsin talk page for my comment. Many thanks-RFD (talk) 12:07, 28 February 2016 (UTC)

Art and Feminism Event in Bennington March 5
Hey! I wanted to let you know about an upcoming Art+Feminism event, at Bennington College on March 5: from 2-6 in the afternoon. It would be great to see some more Wikipedia editors at the event! Sign up here to let us know you will be attending! Sadads (talk) 03:05, 29 February 2016 (UTC)

Whoops...
Yeah, I should have given you credit too; which I've done. And I'm a guy (the curse of picking out a username without proper CamelCasing).  Nate  • ( chatter ) 08:58, 4 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Thankfully no relation to a certain New Yorker.  Nate  • ( chatter ) 09:35, 4 March 2016 (UTC)

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Hi
I'm about to archive User:SilkTork/Chicha/Potential admin chat/doncram. Do you have any questions before I do so?  SilkTork  ✔Tea time  18:21, 16 March 2016 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Carnegie Center for Literacy and Learning (March 16)
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 * Thanks, . While the CCLL appears significant to me, I see there are more important gaps in this area to fill.  Namely there is no general article on Literacy center and no List of literacy centers.  I found my way to Category:Organizations promoting literacy and BTW happen to think this draft article is better than some existing ones.  But it could exist comfortably as an item in a list instead, and currently I think i will proceed to develop Literacy center and List of literacy centers instead. -- do  ncr  am  23:24, 16 March 2016 (UTC)


 * Moved by me to User:Doncram/Carnegie Center for Literacy and Learning. -- do ncr  am  17:20, 5 April 2016 (UTC)

Your draft article, Draft:List of Harvard residence houses


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 * The draft was created by me during an AFD about one of the residence halls, I think. I proposed there should be a list-article to which several separate residence hall articles would be merged, I think. -- do  ncr  am  21:24, 14 April 2016 (UTC)

don't put mistress category under just everyone
Hello, just wanted to let you know there are two people who you added mistresses category which they do not belong, Camilla, Duchess of Cornwall might have been but right now she's his wife as it says in the lead, so she no longer belong to that, if he was still married to his first wife or if they were not married or no longer together (which they've been for 10 years now), I wouldn't object. Second is Sally Hemings, Jefferson was a widower, not a married man, such woman is a partner not a mistress, she also doesn't belong in that section. please don't just add categories like that. (Monkelese (talk) 22:07, 25 March 2016 (UTC)
 * , thank you for your attention, and I see your point on both of those. Be assured I am not adding the category willy-nilly, and in fact I am probably done for now, having stepped through all candidates in several news/gossip articles with titles like "10 most famous mistresses". One was published by the Washington Post and at least one included Sally Hemings by the way. I did not accept all of those articles' suggestions; I left out ones where I perceive there to be substantial doubt. I did not have in mind that Jefferson was a widower during part or all of his relationship. I did pause about Camilla and another one where the couple subsequently married (I don't recall who was the other one, and whether I put the category onto her article or not). I think it is a valid category and we should not shrink from having it and using it carefully, though it definitely is sensitive. There are in fact women who are principally known for being mistress to a rich or important man. And there are others where it is less certain they were a mistress rather than a close friend, where consensus is needed. For example, Kay Summersby is perhaps a marginal one. I personally think it is clear enough from reliable sources that she and DDE did have an affair, and that it is best for us to use the category and not "protect" the subject or our readers from the fact of it. But it is arguable also that she is most known for being a probable mistress, so some different new category like Category:Alleged mistresses (currently a redlink) could be argued best for her and some others. About Camilla I see a gray area because she is perhaps the most salient mistress of royalty in modern times in the English-speaking world (and, in the U.S. probably is currently the very best known mistress of royalty of all times), but also she is otherwise notable and is not currently a mistress (and she is alive so it is a BLP issue). Once it is disputed (as you have done), that categorization should only be made by wide consensus, probably involving an RFC, at Camilla's talk page. Monica Lewinsky is another difficult BLP one: can she never get beyond that as defining?; perhaps she has; I chose not to add it for her.
 * There is also a real issue of assymetry and whether Wikipedia should follow society in perpetuating it or whether we should lead with factual, encyclopedic categorization of men too. This regards a) married men who are known for having mistresses ("misteress" has been suggested and so has "manstress"), b) male lovers of married men ("manstress" may have been suggested as term for this too?, and note there exists Category:Male lovers of royalty), and c) men, single or married, who are known for their continued sexual relationship with a rich or important married woman ("manstress" has been suggested here too; applies perhaps for some lovers of Catherine the Great?). These assymetry issues should be considered in some forum; I would like to open a small discussion for quiet consideration before any big angry blow-up. Do you have a suggestion where this could be done or whom to invite? Or, hmm, perhaps what's needed is a list-article first so that reliable sources can be collected and be reviewed as part of any discussion, rather than inviting uninformed dispute about factual matters (e.g. whether there was a sexual relationship, whether person is known for that). Again thanks for your concern, and thank you for raising it politely. -- do ncr  am  00:18, 26 March 2016 (UTC)

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AfD
Hi : A recent edit you performed at AfD has been reverted. You may want to check it out. North America1000 04:17, 1 April 2016 (UTC)
 * ... Oooof, you got me good! I was filled with dread, went directly to the AFD which made evil sense, was puzzled. Was the deletion undone by revdel or whatever might leave no sign?  You messed with my wiki-world view, so itook me a long time to get it!  :) -- do  ncr  am  02:50, 2 April 2016 (UTC)

Draft:List of ecovillages concern
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 * Moved by me to User:Doncram/List of ecovillages for later development perhaps. -- do ncr  am  17:13, 5 April 2016 (UTC)

Category:Mount Vernon slaves?
There's a problem with the category you created, Category:Slaves of George Washington. Both Oney Judge and Christopher Sheels were "dower" slaves, owned by the Estate of Daniel Custis (Martha's first husband). As widow, Martha had the lifetime use of the "dowers" (hence the name), but neither she nor George owned them. They were held in trust for her son Jacky Custis, and following Jacky's early death, for his children. A slight majority of the Mount Vernon slaves were "dowers." George freed his slaves through his Will; the "dowers" were not freed. Following Martha's death, they reverted to the Daniel Custis Estate and were distributed to the Custis grandchildren.

It's all very confusing, although well explained at http://www.ushistory.org/presidentshouse/slaves/numbers.htm

Would you mind if I changed the category to Category:Mount Vernon slaves? That would accommodate both the "dowers" and George's slaves. == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 16:54, 5 April 2016 (UTC)


 * , please go ahead! I myself mused in an edit summary that Category:Slaves of George Washington might not be best, that something like Category:Mount Vernon slaves as you suggest might be better.  I hoped that someone with more knowledge would step in.  Thanks for your attention to this! -- do  ncr  am  17:04, 5 April 2016 (UTC)


 * Great. I'll change it. I commend your desire to create the category. It will be appreciated by many. == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 17:16, 5 April 2016 (UTC)

Talkback
Another user has posted a question for you at the discussion. North America1000 05:01, 9 April 2016 (UTC)