User talk:Doncram/Archive 3

Mining in Idaho
I will work on it this weekend. Thanks for the heads up. I am slowly trying to photograph and do small articles on all NRHP locations in Latah County, Idaho. One picnic trip in the summer at a time. --Robbie Giles (talk) 13:21, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

List of New York covered bridges‎
I noticed that you added a Historic American Engineering Record photo for the Old Blenheim Bridge in Schoharie County. I've long planned on checking it out as a matter of personal curosity at some point, so I'm wondering if a user-generated picture would be better if I do. On the other hand, the professional albeit black & white photo made available by the federal government is fairly recent &151 2004. It's probably a moot point anyway, since I won't be back to New York until March at the earliest. But it's a question I've wondered about for other articles, too. -Cg-realms (talk) 23:28, 7 February 2008 (EST)

Re: Plaque Copyright Images
Thanks for letting me know about the plaques. It never ceases to amaze me how some people have nothing better to do than go around and target the work of users that actually contribute instead of detract from the collective effort.

I'd like to see them try and take down the Gibson House plaque, since that is a work of the Department of Interior and thus in the public domain. I retagged it just to be safe.

As a practicing journalist I also have serious problems with the interpretation of the law under which the pictures are being removed. It's one thing to take a photograph of a copyrighted photo and try to pass it off as one's own. It's entirely another thing when its a photograph of a work in a medium intended for public consumption. No one would have been able to take photographs of the Statue of Liberty for the greater part of the 20th century, as an example, if such an interpretation were used.

Even if the copyright dispute concerns the text ON the plaques, very few rise to the level of originality required for copyright. In Feist Publications v. Rural Telephone Service, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that a phone company can't claim copyright for the listings in the phonebook for the same reason. In order to qualify for copyright, the justices rule that the text must include "original intellectual conceptions of the author." The burden is on the copyright claimant to prove "the existence of those facts of originality, of intellectual production, of thought, and conception." Nearly all the NHL plaques are simply recitions of commonly available fact, and many aren't longer than a sentence or two. Do you know what the legal basis for the original deletions was?

I'm going keep an eye the St. Peter's plaque image to make sure it doesn't disappear into the void. -Cg-realms (talk) 23:28, 7 February 2008 (EST)
 * In light of what seems to be a case of Wikilawyering &#151; ie. "abiding by the letter of a policy or guideline while violating its spirit" &#151; I wonder if the whole plaques issue might not be worth seeking mediation. I don't think anybody on either side is acting in bad faith, but the impact of pulling all the plaque images down from all the NHL and NRHP articles is considerable. I probably won't pursue it, so I certainly wouldn't blame anyone if no one else did, but it seems a shame to lose so much content over an opinion held only by a user or two. -Cg-realms (talk) 3:36, 8 February 2008 (EST)

NY NHL List question
Hi Doncram, I would be glad to help out. I looked at the list briefly and have several ideas - perhaps the best thing to do would be to put it up for Peer Review and I could touch on them there. I think it helps greatly to go to FLC and say there was a Peer Review and we responded to all of the suggestions (plus you might well get other feedback in PR). I would ask at the NRHP Wikiproject talk for PR feedback or when you are close to submitting for FLC too. Finally, I would start looking at current FLC nominations to get some idea of what items are getting particular scrutiny. If you do not want to go the PR route (yet), I can comment on the List's talk page. Let me know which you prefer (PR or talk), and thanks for asking Ruhrfisch &gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 17:19, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
 * OK, thanks - I will look for it there later today to comment on. Will also read the article more carefully and its talk page. Ruhrfisch &gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 20:30, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Hey, took a brief look, will look at it in-depth tomorrow.  I know that you've put a great deal of hard work into it (and many, many others).  Cheers.   Altairisfar talk  00:45, 9 February 2008 (UTC)


 * I left my comments there - hope they are helpful. I would be glad to look it over again or answer questions / clarify my comments. I think it also needs a copyedit, but probably best to address the MOS and other issues raised first, then copyedit it. Yours, Ruhrfisch &gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 05:03, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
 * The two best places to find someone for a copyedit are WP:PRV or WP:LOCE. If you use the latter, it is probably best to ask for a copyedit on an editor's talk page who is listed at LOCE as the project coordination of copyedits is supposedly dead. Do you want me to look it over one more time for general ideas? Ruhrfisch &gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 21:11, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

Maryland NHLs
I hope to get around to doing something decent with the Maryland NHL list in the not-too-distant future; to be honest I've been feeling a hair under the weather this past week, and not up to my usual Wikifollies. With luck I'll be back up to snuff sometime fairly soon. Thanks for the advice. --User:AlbertHerring Io son l'orecchio e tu la bocca: parla! 18:42, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

Roscoe Conkling, et al
Thanks for upgrading my Assay Office, Elihu Root House & Roscoe Conkling House articles. I did a little more work on Roscoe Conkling House...it looks a bit better now. Old Roscoe was a character. He sure didn't engage in conflict avoidance!Lvklock (talk) 17:58, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks for cleaning up after the mess I made by deleting the NRHP boundary increase listings from the Ohio list. I was going to go back and undo those specific edits, but neglected to do so yesterday. There's one that you didn't clean up (South Park, Dayton, Ohio). Did you opt not to do anything with that one because the main article includes the boundary increase in the infobox? I just did a Google search for details of the boundary increase and all I found was what's on the NRHP website ... just the new boundary streets and no specifics about why the boundary was increased. --Sanfranman59 (talk) 18:34, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

Bank of Hominy pic etc
You might have guessed, but I live in the area. I go around taking some pictures of the NRHP sites and other old buildings for the hell of it. Bank of Hominy was one of those articles I was going to start, anyday now. Thanks for doing the work for me. I'm glad you added the info from the multiple propery forms on the Muskogee articles. When I did the rewrites, I tried to acces them, but the database, or my computer was acting squirrly and I couldn't get to them, although I have before. Thanks for filling in the rest of the skyscrapers as well. One of these days I'll get down there to take pictures. Also thanks for your support on the AfD. The articles were being created by a clueless newbie, who was using them as raw data dumps. The original versions really were mostly crap, but I didn't want the "NRHP does not equal notable" precedent set. Dsmdgold (talk) 04:01, 14 February 2008 (UTC)


 * It seems we are having the same problems with the MPS forms. All of my machines use Firefox, I don't have access to a machine with a modern form of explorer. There was more than a little self interest in my defence against the precedent, as I have written a few articles on "minor" NRHP sites, and intend to write many more.


 * You raise an interesting question that I would like to explore more. This spring I might go back and get more detail shots, but that image does have the whole building. If you examine the right hand edge you can just see the brick of the adjacent building. Hominy is the least Romanesque of three of these buildings I've seen. (I've seen Fairfax but don't have a pic, yet. I haven't made it to Burbank.) Bigheart is much more Romanesque, although it isn't as grand as the stuff farther east. These buildings were built on long narrow lots and couldn't really pull off the massing of volumes typical of larger buildings. I guess that the Romanesque tag comes from the stone construction and the detailing. There is a more clearly Romanesque building in Tulsa the Dawson School (pic) that was buit about the same time. These bank buildings do differ from the norm quite a bit though, as most the commercial buildings in the area are in style the Oklahoma Preservation Office calls "Plains Commercial" (example pic). All in all I think that the theory that these buildings were built by masons moving west after the style lost favor in the East is probably correct.


 * I live down the street from the Price Tower and have some picturs of it, but nothing better than what we alrady have. I am in Tulsa and see the Boston Avenue Methodist Church on a regular basis, but we have decent pics of it. I maight take a day and get some detail pics though. Most of the rest are not in my part of the state, although we plan to go down and see Sequayah's cabin this spring or summer. Spiro mounds are near by, should be fun. Dsmdgold (talk) 15:39, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

Winifred Golding
I removed the request for speedy deletion from this, as I think it's a plausible typo (the evidence speaks for itself). So, it could be useful if someone searches for the lady but mistypes her name. Let me know if you disagree.-- Kubigula (talk) 20:31, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

Off to RI
Just to let you know, my son and I are going to Rhode Island for a day or two and I have made a list of all the Newport NHLs we don't have to try and get pics of them. I'll let you know how it went. Daniel Case (talk) 15:43, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

This went very well. I have pics of no less than seven NHLs in Newport, plus one in CT, for which we had none, plus two where we were making do with old postcards or drawings. The weather was not ideal, and as a result I put a few off until and unless I can go back to Newport in summertime (when parking will be a lot worse). They'll be uploaded (and articles created) in due course ... obviously the improvements we want to make to the NY lists take precedence. Daniel Case (talk) 17:01, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

As luck would have it, I have pics that would go with many of those. I also scanned the Flickr CC-BY and CC-BY-SA streams and found some usable summery ones. I got some for the ones you took off the list, too, as it happens.

I got a really nice moody scene off Ocean Drive. I'm sure a summer version would be nice but the one I got would make a nice watercolor.

I'll be uploading them when I get to them. I am now halfway through my November pics, and there's only five left before I get to December. Daniel Case (talk) 18:11, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

I see you created PT 617. Guess who's going back out in that direction for the weekend? I am hoping to get a picture, plus some of the New Bedford and Providence NHLs, some more of the Newport ones (and some reshoots since the weather will be better). After I get back I will be uploading the February pics. Great timing, no? Daniel Case (talk) 16:00, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Great success!
First, the bad news, mild though it is: I couldn't get the PT boats because I didn't feel like paying the $22 for my son and I to get into Battleship Cove just to take pictures of two boats (But you'll note that article has really nice pics we can use for some of them).
 * Actually, that was a combined figure: $14 for adults and $8 for kids. And he wasn't really interested in going in at that time. And it was 45 minutes from closing. Daniel Case (talk) 04:42, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

The good news is I got so many other things. Including every NHL in RI we don't yet have images for (Yes, a mere five hours ago I was on the beach in Watch Hill shooting The Flying Horse Carousel, the very last one). That means that the RI NHL list can, eventually, become hopefully the first one to be completely illustrated with free images. (Tell me, again, that Rhode Island is the smallest state in the Union. It doesn't feel that way at all when you've been driving around it all day).

MA is well-represented with all the New Bedford NHLs, and Cove's Hill in Plymouth as well. I got some other RHPs along the way. We took so many pictures (not just for Wikipedia, of course, that we had to stop at a drugstore and offload them onto two CDs).

I'll be getting on this soon enough. Daniel Case (talk) 04:02, 22 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Uh, actually, typed too soon. Missed two: Thomas P. Ives House (and I was in that neighborhood for such a long time!), due to mistyping it into the NHL database, and General Greene's Homestead in Coventry. But, actually, the Cocumcossoc Archeological District is pretty much one and the same with Smith's Castle. Well, I suppose that will give my son and I another excuse to go back to Rhode Island in a few months when it's even warmer to watch Acelas run through Kingston Station at 150 mph. This time we could make it a day trip. Daniel Case (talk) 04:40, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Old State House
I think we should use the NHL-listed name ... more hits come up for that on Google than Colony House (which is used mainly locally, interchangeably enough with just Colony House that I really can't say a consensus exists for either one. Daniel Case (talk) 15:49, 24 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Actually, Don, hold that thought ... I looked at the [hittage for "Old State House"+Rhode+Island and it turns out there's a building in Providence with that name. Let's use "Old Colony House" which generates the most Google hits to that particular structure. "Old State House (Rhode Island)" should be left as a redlink to avoid confusion and per the project guidelines that the local name is what the article should be called (we can leave the infobox title the way it is as you seem to prefer (At some point we have to add a "listed_as" parameter to the infobox to deal with this). [[User:Daniel Case|Daniel Case]] (talk) 15:59, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

B Reactor
The comment that I have is that X-10 Graphite Reactor at Oak Ridge National Laboratory is a separate article, so there's precedence for keeping the B Reactor separate from Hanford Site. Einbierbitte (talk) 00:03, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Re:Estabrook House pic etc
Glad to be of service. I am debating nominating that image for featured picture status. Do you think it stands a chance of winning that nomination? Also, keep your eye on the List of Syracuse University buildings. I've taken more campus pics. I just have to get around to uploading them. -- ZeWrestler  Talk 14:36, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the comments. I stumbled across that image of the chancellor's residence today, when I looked over this article.  I figured since I hadn't inserted that building into the list of Syracuse Buildings article yet, that I'd insert it for now. I am planning to go around to that building, as I have been doing with most of the campus and take a newer picture of it.  Thank you for pointing it out to me though, and thank you for the complement.  It is nice to know that my work is noticed. -- ZeWrestler   Talk 05:27, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I agree with the Hoople pic. Luck wasn't smiling on me that day. Not only did the sky look bad, turns out it was also game day on campus.  Cars were everywhere.  The image had to be cropped to take care of that issue. There were a few other buildings that day including Slocum Hall, where I couldn't even take the picture of the building because buses were parked out front waiting for the game to end. =( I have a few other pictures in queue that i need to upload. I haven't been able to do them as quickly because of my work load.  I'll get to them. Hopefully I'll get some sunnier days in the mean time for the rest of campus.  ATM, I have a lot of pictures, like Hoople that need to be retaken.  On the bright side, images like Whitman turned out all right. -- ZeWrestler   Talk 02:59, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

Swedenborgia Church photos at Wikimedia Commons
Hi Don ... I've uploaded four of the photos I took yesterday at the Swedenborgian Church in San Francisco (unfortunately, I just realized that I named the files "Swedenborgia Church" ... DOH!). Here are the links:



I've already added the exterior photo to the infobox of Swedenborgian Church (San Francisco, California). I'm not happy with the photo and will probably go back and take a better one. Feel free to add the others as you see fit. --Sanfranman59 (talk) 02:37, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

NPS copyright template
Hi, after my previous reply to your post at WP:MCQ I took a look at the changes you made to the NPS copyright template. I'm not so sure that your rationale works, so I made a suggestion of my own on the talk page. What do you think? -- Hux (talk) 10:52, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

Kolomoki and Andersonville
If you like editing articles about National Historic sites, such as Kolomoki, I think Andersonville National Historic Site also need some work. There are really three things there: the old Andersonville prison site, the National POW Museum (for all wars), and the National Cemetery, which has people other than US soldiers who died in Andersonville prison. The latter two have only a brief mention in the article. I added a picture of the Cemetery and I have one reporesenting the POV museum, if there were more text about it. Bubba73 (talk), 20:44, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

SF NRHP table in my user space
Hi Don ... I see you added a note to the list in my user space about an inconsistency between it and List of Registered Historic Places in San Francisco, California. Actually, the list in my user space came directly from the main list and there are two Yerba Buena entries in both lists. I modified the wording of the naval training station site in my table to match what's in the official NRHP list.

I have continued to work on the table in my user space. I've primarily been adding neighborhoods as you suggested. My intention is to complete my work on the neighborhoods and then to replace the existing list with my table, after first checking for any edits that have been made since I copied the list into my table. So far, no one has made any edits.

Thanks for your input. --Sanfranman59 (talk) 03:00, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

Adirondack Park NRHP category
I changed it from NHLD to NHL in the table color scheme because it is not categorized by the NRHP as a district; even though this would seem to be obvious, I checked and it's not the case. I'm guessing that's because either a) the NPS doesn't or didn't really understand the concept, or b) more likely, they do, but since the park boundaries are set by the state it cannot be defined by the NPS (and indeed, those boundaries are not and never have been drawn with the park's historic character in mind, so I don't blame the NPS). Daniel Case (talk) 19:11, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Yakima Park Stockade Group
I can't believe you beat me to this! I was just about to do it. Oh well, I guess I'll do one of the others instead. Murderbike (talk) 00:00, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I'm all for doing less work. I was kind of bummed at how little info I was finding at the library anyway. Marmes Rockshelter is gonna be way more fun, not so sure about Port Gamble though, I've yet to do an article on an HD. Murderbike (talk) 00:20, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, the library's kind of my second home. I pretty much use wikipedia as a way to teach myself things, so having a reason to go to the library and ask the person working in the Northwest Room all kinds of questions is great. And I found all kinds of Marmes info that I wouldn't have found on the web. Not much for Port Gamble though. Not sure what I'll do about that. I've started trying to find the nomination info, might just have that as a source. Murderbike (talk) 02:20, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

Military History of Australia during the Korean War
Which section in Battle of Pakchon was copyright vio?? I am happy to re-write the relevant section in the new article i wrote if neccessary? Robert Fleming (talk) 09:43, 26 February 2008 (UTC) Yeah, it was essentially a summerisation of the main article, until I could find some better sources. I think in light of what you have said a complete re-write of both the main article and my section might be in order. i will do a bit more research and then get onto it. Robert Fleming (talk) 16:33, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

William Williams House
Do you know why this one uses a different template and has stars at the top?--Appraiser (talk) 21:07, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

Farallon Islands
Can you provide me a source for also known as Farallone Islands,? I lived on them for three summers and did a lot of work around them and have never seen that spelling before. It turns up occasionally as a misspelling, (I see a few non-official sites on google call it such) but nothing that warrants mentioning on the first line and in bold. Sabine's Sunbird  talk  20:03, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Given that the islands are administered by the USFWS which uses Farallon, and that the NOAA sanctuary also uses Farallon, I wouldn't give to much weight to what the NPS uses. I don't think anyone following a link to Farallone Islands would get thrown if the name wasn't in the first line, but giving it in the first line and bolding it to my mind gives it undue weight for what seems to me to be a typo in an unrelated federal agency. A more accurate into line would be "The Farallon Islands, or Farallones, are a group of islands and rocks found in the Gulf of the Farallones... " since the Farallons is a commonly used term for the group. Sabine's Sunbird  talk  21:19, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

Norris, Madison, and Fishing Bridge Museums
Hi. I'm not sure if you have considered it, but it might be worthwhile merging Norris Museum, the Madison Museum, and the Fishing Bridge Museum into this article and killing several birds with one stone. I'm just not sure if they all should survive on their own, especially since they're all part of the same NHL. CosmicPenguin (Talk) 03:15, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Coker Experimental Farms
Sorry about that, I flipped in to autopilot and i clicked the wrong link with out noticing. I meant to get an article about some "video production group" which boiled down to some boys making youtube videos.Williamwade (talk) 04:10, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Marmes Rockshelter
It's def been nommed for DYK. As for "protection" afforded by listing, from what I've read, it kind of sounds like the Corps of Engineers can pretty much do whatever they want when it comes to controlling natural waterways for the sake of "clean" energy and agriculture. It was pretty much pulling teeth just to get them to put in the little levee around the site, that turned out to be worthless. Alas, sometimes this stuff makes me sad. But thanks for the kudos anyway! I'm gonna try to do some more work on the article, try to get it up to GA. Murderbike (talk) 06:45, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

NRHP colors legend
A proposed deletion template has been added to the article NRHP colors legend, suggesting that it be deleted according to the proposed deletion process. All contributions are appreciated, but this article may not satisfy Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and the deletion notice should explain why (see also "What Wikipedia is not" and Wikipedia's deletion policy). You may prevent the proposed deletion by removing the  notice, but please explain why you disagree with the proposed deletion in your edit summary or on its talk page. Also, please consider improving the article to address the issues raised. Even though removing the deletion notice will prevent deletion through the proposed deletion process, the article may still be deleted if it matches any of the speedy deletion criteria or it can be sent to Articles for Deletion, where it may be deleted if consensus to delete is reached. If you agree with the deletion of the article, and you are the only person who has made substantial edits to the page, please add  to the top of NRHP colors legend.

The reason for this proposed deletion is that this is not an encyclopedia article by itself. It should be listed on a page whose name begins with "Wikipedia:" Blanchardb- Me • MyEars • MyMouth -timed 01:27, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

Arthur Foss
You flagged the Arthur Foss tugboat article as needing references. I added them, except for the last sentence, which i suspect was accurate, but seems to be out of date. Unfortunately, some of the article seems to come directly from one of the sources I found. Some of the wording was changed slightly, but I doubt it's different enough. Would you take a look at the 5th reference in the article and see what you think regarding the plagiarism issue? Also, before I noticed that problem I was wondering, if I fix references that have been flagged like that, do I then take the flag off or is there some other procedure?Lvklock (talk) 04:36, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

Robert S. Abbott/Fort King
Looks like they finally corrected the error:. Zagalejo^^^ 22:12, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

where is Fir?
Hi! you just edited the USCGC Fir article, with substantial info saying it is in California. What is your source for this info? Your paragraph is not footnoted. Would you please let me know if it is in one of the footnotes of the article, or how you know it? I am seriously curious. It keeps being reported to be in Seattle, or New York, or who knows where else, and it is unclear which list of National Historic Landmarks it should appear in. sincerely, doncram (talk) 06:32, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

I drive past the Fir in/near Rio Vista almost everyday. Check-Six (talk) 16:50, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

Re: minor edit I made to Fir article....I learned something new...I didn't know about the non breaking space character. Thanks!

Heads up
Was doing new page patrol and spotted your new article Exchange and Provost and thought this was kind of odd... The first sentence goes:
 * "Exchange and Provost, also known as Custom House and Half-Moon Battery and The Exchange, is a site significant for its ..."

I'm assuming the "..." isn't intentional? Thought you might like to know incase you didn't spot it. :) Regards, AllynJ (talk | contribs) 21:53, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks for your comments on Trinity Episcopal Church and Frank Mills. I didn't know that about Trinity, and it's only about a block from my house! What did you think about the expansion on Richard Upjohn, or have you seen it yet? Also, a quick question. Does a property that was part of a multiple property submission get noted in our infobox as a historic district itself? Example: Faunsdale Plantation. Thanks again.  Altairisfar talk  01:13, 6 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks again. I added Cedar Grove Plantation to the new article.  Appraiser had changed both of these (and a few others) to historic districts, we're discussing it on his talkpage but I still fail to understand the logic in listing them as HD.   Altairisfar talk  07:30, 6 March 2008 (UTC)


 * I guess we were both leaving messages simultaneously! I'm sure that both you and Appraiser are more experienced in these matters than I, I'm just trying to wrap my brain around it as I just want it to be correct and to understand why it is correct.  Yes, I find the New York & Alabama architectural connection interesting too.  My family came here from Massachusetts in the 1830's, in doing research I've discovered many families of New England origin too (We're not as "Southern" as some would like to think).  The long-gone Perine  and Crocheron Mansions at Cahaba, Alabama were both built by New Yorkers.  But I suspect that it had more to do with New York being looked upon as the center of higher culture, especially back then when Alabama was largely just a bunch of farms and plantations.  Cheers.   Altairisfar talk  07:48, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Barnwell, South Carolina
Hi, I see you're busy in SC, which is good. I just wanted to let you know that I have several articles in my sandbox for Barnwell. Best wishes. clariosophic (talk) 02:57, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Hi, Thanks for your reply. I've finished my two articles in Barnwell. There are some NHL's I'd like to do: Millford Plantation in Sumter County (where I used to live), St. Stephen's Episcopal Church in St. Stephens and St. Michael's and St. Philips Episcopal churches in Charleston (where I spent a lot of time}. The last two are iconic, at least to Charlestonians. There is also a place called Rip Raps Plantation in Sumter that has 3 stars indicating it's an NHL, but I don't see it on the list. I'd like to do that also if it is. Thanks. clariosophic (talk) 17:27, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

monuments
What I was working on is 'Protected areas of foo' for each foo US state. It seemed to me to better to have a category for the monuments in the foo state to place in the 'protected areas of foo' rather than just include the Monuments separately separately. Your further comments? Hmains (talk) 17:27, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

protected areas

 * Perhaps the categories should be named 'protected areas in foo-state'. Yes, it would be all protected areas found in a each state.  I am just expanding the existing Category:Protected areas of California as a model for all states.  Just like Category:Protected areas of the United States includes all protected areas in the US, whether federal, state or a local park.  If they are notable enough to have a WP article, they appear directly or indirectly in these 'protected areas' categories.  Hmains (talk) 23:33, 8 March 2008 (UTC)


 * if a category is in Category:Protected areas of the United States, then it seems that some group of editors (not me) has determined it belongs there. I am just extending this down to the state level.  And it makes no sense to me to not include the Federal areas in the 'protected areas of foo-state' categories.  At the state level, the reader can, in one place, see all the protected areas in the state.  Reader helpfulness is what is important here. Hmains (talk) 01:47, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

I too am sceptical that historic sites, buildings, etc do belong in this category, so I have not proceeded (except by accident) to put these at the state level--which I an easily fix. This needs to be figured out at the Category:Protected areas of the United States first. Hmains (talk) 02:00, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

King County list
Hey, you may not want to spend any more time on that list. I'm really close to moving the new table in there. Right now it's in my sandbox. I'm just waiting to see if I should take the boats out of it that have left Seattle so I can number it all. Murderbike (talk) 06:21, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

hello there
I replied to your comment here. Thanks. AgnosticPreachersKid (talk) 06:55, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

Protected areas
I left my comments there. I agree with Appraiser that the PAs by state cats should be kept. Daniel Case (talk) 16:30, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the heads up - I am busy now but should be able to weigh in tomorrow. Ruhrfisch &gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 02:28, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

List of New York State Historic Sites
Wow, thanks for the great job! Bearian (talk) 23:29, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

Suggestion
I suggest that you investigate the city article for a RHP. Then add a "see also" to the RHP if it is not addressed in the main body text (or check that the new RHP article is correctly wikilinked). There often are text and/or images of the RHP in the city article, like there was for Octagon House (Watertown, Wisconsin). Keep up the good work! Royal broil 19:39, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

Heated springs
Oh, I don't think there is a general problem with our editing. You just have one article where what is normally a good thing, a strong prohibition against stealing, is interfering with letting something which is not stolen get used, mulched, digested, and eventually become nice landscaping. In order to turn into compost the pile of old newspapers need to get unstacked, crumpled, wet, and stirred. But it takes time and someone to occasionally stir it. Not many others noticed it before the walls went up, and I can't stir in the four other buckets of stuff. Eventually, something like this might happen, even if that's not complete (yeah, it needs more of a map but best source is under a license; someone in San Diego will probably come along and get some of the local records). Oh...and if you looked at the version which I originally let sit for several months you'd see some typos and easy improvements. I left those as bait for passing editors, but apparently I hid it under the street where nobody looked. -- SEWilco (talk) 04:10, 12 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Yes, I recognize that you consider taking an appliance which was left at the curb with a "FREE" sign as theft from the manufacturer because the second user isn't paying the manufacturer for the use of an appliance. It is not acceptable to take such an appliance from someone's truck and tie to a tree.  Some others encourage recycling.  And the new users may like the product and buy from the manufacturer whose name is emblazoned across the product.  -- SEWilco (talk) 15:13, 12 March 2008 (UTC)


 * I can only judge based upon watching you tie that Hoover vacuum cleaner to the tree. Maybe I misinterpreted what you were muttering at the time.  -- SEWilco (talk) 16:03, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

RFC mandatory quotation of public domain text
Please participate in the discussion at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style. -- SEWilco (talk) 03:29, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

Florida NRHP nominations
I just got back from some time in Florida, where I was able to take some NRHP (and an NHL) pictures. I guess I'm spoiled by NY's easy access to nomination documents. I can't seem to find them online anywhere for Florida NRHP's. Just wondered if you'd ever come across any such online access, in your extensive work with NRHP's?Lvklock (talk) 18:26, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

Millford Plantation and other SC NHLs
Thanks for your comments. You got it all. I was going to add St. Mark's Church, Pinewood, which was the Mannings' parish church, but it's only on the National Register and I haven't gotten to the article on it yet, so it can wait. My next project is St. Philip's, which I've been putting off. I thought I'd do Millford first but it turned out to be more complex than I thought. I hope the quote is OK. It's found in many different sources on Millford. I plan to do another article on the High Hills of Santee, but that's on the back burner. Best wishes. clariosophic (talk) 02:56, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

Fort Snelling picture
Thanks for adding the picture of Fort Snelling to List of Registered Historic Places in Dakota County, Minnesota. Unfortunately all of the existing pictures that I know of of Fort Snelling are in the Hennepin County portion of the Fort. At some point (maybe when it stops snowing), I'll get a picture of Picnic Island (the Dakota County portion of the Fort) for the article. It will be boring, since there's not much there, but it will be more accurate. Ultimately a copy of a PD piece of art showing Camp Hope would be best.--Appraiser (talk) 13:45, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

Requested photographs in California
Requested photographs in California now may be made via a particular county. See Category:Wikipedia requested photographs in California. GregManninLB (talk) 19:01, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

Latest NY NHL pics
I finally got around to uploading the December pics I took of Elephant Hotel and John Jay Homestead State Historic Site. I have added both not only to the articles but to other relevant articles (with the creation of Somers Hamlet Historic District, the EH picture is now in six different articles ... wow!). The former shows the Old Bet statue in front and is in color. The latter shows the front more clearly (especially with the leaves down and the snow removing any foreground distractions) and is in less out-of-whack color. I have kept both of the HABS images in the articles; I will probably have to color-correct the Jay one so it is less of a strain on the eyes. Hope you like them. Daniel Case (talk) 20:18, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

Millford Plantation and other SC NHLs
Hi, Thanks for your message. I feel the same way. I just wanted to do a few things but have gotten hooked on it. I lived in Columbia and Sumter and traveled back and forth hundreds of times on US76/US378 which run between the two. I ventured off on SC 261 a few times to go to the Church of the Holy Cross but that was it. I realize now why they said in the 1840s Millford Plantation was remote. Even in modern times the High Hills of Santee is off the beaten path. Just west of it is the Wateree River with swamps beyond that, so that even though it's not that far from Columbia or Sumter, it is really off the beaten path. I just did some tweaking and rearranging on Borough House. Feel free to change what you don't like. Best wishes. clariosophic (talk) 03:03, 23 March 2008 (UTC) P.S. I've been going to my local library which I can access, download and print the nomination forms very quickly.


 * Hi, thanks for your message. I'll do St. Philip's next. We sort of gpt waylaid, didn't we? Best wishes clariosophic (talk) 21:46, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

Raleigh pix
I replied to your post, but the question I had asked deals with pictures such as this. It says from the National Register Collection. Are those free to use? AgnosticPreachersKid (talk) 08:08, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

AfD - List of Anglo-Catholic Churches
Hi, Please excuse my correcting a couple of typos in your comment on the AfD - I would not normally amend another person's comment of course. Springnuts (talk) 18:04, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

Hi, Thanks for your message. I appreciate what you are saying, but I don't see any copyright notice on the site. I have been routinely putting them in stub articles and while other editors have disparaged it, no one has raised the copyright issue before. The year spans are in the nomination forms. Best wishes. clariosophic (talk) 20:27, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

Hi, I'll go along with what you said and only use it for personal reference. Thanks. clariosophic (talk)`

ONLY WARNING
Please see: this -MBK004 02:56, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

Repetition of RFC request
Please do not force public domain text into quotations, as you again did at Bathhouse Row (diff). Please participate in the above mentioned RFC: Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style. -- SEWilco (talk) 05:13, 24 March 2008 (UTC)


 * I checked there just now and there seems to be little or no recent activity in that RFC discussion. The result of that discussion, I understand to be, is that there is not a consensus on how to handle public domain text.  In particular, there is no consensus that public domain text cannot be quoted.  I am not sure that more discussion there, right now, would be productive.  I would be interested to learn: What do you think could be accomplished there now?  doncram (talk) 05:28, 24 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Doncram, this is really getting disruptive. Thus far, you have been involved in lengthy discussions about PD text at WP:SHIPS, WP:Citing sources, twice at WP:MOS, and Featured article candidates/USS Bridgeport (AD-10) (and those are just the ones I happen to know about). The 'result' of those discussions was not that 'there is not a consensus how to handle PD text' - it was that we already have policy and practice in place for handling PD text, and there is no consensus to change it. You have since initiated changes at USS Clamagore (SS-343), and apparently at Bathhouse Row, despite many previous demonstrations of no consensus to change PD attribution format; editors have reverted those changes, and you have persisted with reversions. You have had the input of the larger community, as well as of the editors of individual articles; why do you reject it? Maralia (talk) 06:00, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

Huguenot Church
Hi, I just discovered another article on the above: French Huguenot Church, The two should be merged. I would propose Huguenot Church as the surviving article, since French Huguenot is something of a redundant term since Huguenot = French Protestant. If you agree, I'll do the merge. It should be tagged first, I suppose. Perhaps you'll do that. Your thoughts, please. Best wishes.clariosophic (talk) 23:23, 25 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Merge is all done. You may want to do further cleanup. Best wishes. clariosophic (talk) 20:25, 28 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your message. I considered doing the merger the other way, but I decided it would work easier this way. There had been no activity in the other one for some time. Also as I said just Huguenot Church is the better title. On the FA, I'd be glad to help. I've never had one. I've been asked to help on some, but they were ones I had only peripheral knowledge of and/or involved too much stress. Anyway I think the 3 of us are working together quite nicely. clariosophic (talk) 23:33, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

List of National Historic Landmarks in New Jersey is complete
but it could still use some of your patented magic not that NY is mostly done. dm (talk) 02:57, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

Meridian, MS Highland Park Dentzel Carousel
I didn't know if you had my talk page watched, so I wrote this here and there.

If you look at the "Carousel" section of the Wiki article entitled "Highland Park Dentzel Carousel and Shelter Building," the intro says that both the carousel and its building are national historic landmarks. That sentence itself isn't given a reference, but the [|3rd ref tag] links to a pdf that explains that they are both, in fact, National Historic Landmarks.

The pictures I've taken and uploaded have been confined to Meridian, MS (I live there), so if it's not in Meridian, I haven't taken a picture of it. I do have quite a few historic pictures from the city (about 20), so if they're needed anywhere, let me know. The pictures include all of the pictures on the Highland Park, Meridian Union Station, The Carousel, and the Meridian, MS page itself. I've also taken a picture of Peavey Electronics headquarters, The Meridian Museum of Art and Meridian Community College. Dudemanfellabra (talk) 20:59, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

Movie info on USS Pampanito
I apologize for removing the movie info when I made this edit. I clicked on the "Tom's version" diff from this thread and edited it, which I definitely should not have done; I'll restore the other edits that I accidentally deleted. TomTheHand (talk) 17:38, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

Bethesda Presbyterian Church
I was going to put the picture on this page when I noticed that it is listed in York County instead of Kershaw County, South Carolina. There is another Bethesda Presbyterian Church in York that is on the National Register. I think the Kershaw County Church is the one that is a National Historic Landmark. Otherwise the page looks nice and has most of the pictures!
 * Thanks for the correction. Picture is in place.KudzuVine (talk) 23:09, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

William Aiken House and Associated Railroad Structures
The page for William Aiken House and associated railroad structures has an external link to the Robinson-Aiken House. I downloaded the picture to the Commoms but then check the SC DAH page and did not find anything about 48 Elizabeth St. and the Robinson-Aiken House. The Robinson-Aiken house is not individually registered and I am not sure if it is part of the Charleston Historical District or not. Unless you have information that it is part of the William Aiken House listing and since they are about 0.25 mi apart, maybe it should be deleted from this page. Yes, South Carolina is old - especially the low country. I live about as far away as you can get in South Carolina. Color pictures would be nice. There are just a few pictures left that I have identified. Another day. KudzuVine (talk) 00:53, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

NRHP Query Error
Google Maps

The above link shows 2 positions. Position A is the coordinates that your NRHP Query returned to me for Grand Opera House (Meridian, Mississippi). Position B is the ACTUAL position. I live in Meridian, so I know firsthand where the building is. Is there any way to fix this? I mean I can probably through trial and error manually change the coordinates, but that's time consuming, and I'm lazy :P. Anything you know of? Dudemanfellabra (talk) 04:17, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

Re:Hi again. Flint vs. Sims.
Hey, long time no talk. Thanks for pointing that out. I was using the Sims information as a template for Flint since I took the images on the same day. I'll try to start working on getting images back up on wikipedia that are needed. The semester is going ok. I'll be happier when I don't have to see some of my profs again. -- ZeWrestler  Talk 23:19, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
 * By the way, click the e-mail me link in my profile and send me a message. I'd like to show you some new pictures I took of Crouse College college and see which one I should upload to the commons. -- ZeWrestler  Talk 16:52, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
 * When viewing my profile, of you look at the left side of the screen, where the tool box is, you'll see an option to "e-mail this user". I've sent you an e-mail already though. -- ZeWrestler  Talk 17:42, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Still waiting to hear from you via e-mail so I can show you the pics I'd like your opinion on. -- ZeWrestler  Talk 15:58, 5 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Upload any you think are worthy dm (talk) 16:05, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
 * This is a good point. I just don't like overloading Wikipedia servers with pictures of the same thing over and over. I've sent a reply to your e-mail Doncram.-- ZeWrestler   Talk 14:22, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

Texas Atlas
On your edit summary on U-Drop Inn you mentioned the historical registry document may be modified. I checked the Atlas site and it says "The information in the Atlas database is taken directly from the original forms, and is not edited or altered in any significant way" and on another page "The data were transcribed directly from the original forms, and are unfiltered and unedited." I can, of course, still request the originals, but I'm not sure what added value there would be in that? Other uploaded documents include pictures, which would lead me to believe that this particularly one does not have any besides the location map for some reason? Collectonian (talk) 17:15, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

NRHP photo question
Hi Doncram, DIncher and I are working on a DYK for April Fools on three NRHP Historic Disctricts at Black Moshannon State Park. The DYK hook is DYK ...that six latrines, a garage and a storage building at Black Moshannon State Park in Pennsylvania are listed on the National Register of Historic Places? Anyway, I found a photo of two of the latrines here: http://www.arch.state.pa.us/images/hires/H088871_03B.jpg but I am not sure if they are free or not (I used to assume all such photos were US Government work and thus PD). If you have a chance, could you let me know if these are free? If they are I will use the photo in the DYK nom. Thanks in advance, Ruhrfisch &gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 23:55, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

Thanks so much for your detailed response - I was afraid that it might be the case that it was the work of the contractor who made the NRHP application. Since it would be on the Main Page in DYK (if used at all), it would have to be ironclad PD / free, so I will pass on uploading that photo. The goofy thing is that I was in that park a few months ago, but never thought to photograph the latrines. I will double check on Flickr to see if any new free latrine photos are there. Thanks again, Ruhrfisch &gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 10:04, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

WikiProject Museums invite
This naturally complements NRHP, especially all the historic house museum entries. Daniel Case (talk) 05:52, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

NRHP nomination form reference
Can you think off the top of your head of an article with a nomination form with two authors? I need to do a reference for one, and I'm not quite sure how to fit it into the Last= |First= | format. I'd like to copy an existing one. Lvklock (talk) 19:25, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your quick answer and your improvement of my reference. Should the second author also be last name first? Lvklock (talk) 21:37, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

Requested photos in Hawaii
For now, please use imageneeded=yes in the project tag for WPHawaii instead of reqphoto. Thanks. &mdash;Viriditas | Talk 15:21, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

Roanoke Building and Tower
Can you help me to add a proper citation to this article for the NRHP date.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTD) 03:46, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Well keep an eye out and when you see the proper info is available make the proper corrections or let me know. I imagine if one source sasy it is a NHL and we can confirm it is an NRHP that it is an NHL, but who knows there have been worse mistakes on WP.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTD) 04:01, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Any new news on this building?--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 05:56, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Are we sure it is NRHP?--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 06:42, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I like the new citation. We could delete the other ref, but I will see if the WP:GAC reviewer has comments.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 01:49, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

, thanks for your message, SmackBot makes a number of changes that are available to all WP:AWB bots - in general these provide a number of non-controversial minor improvements. The issue you raise is related to these, I have left, or will leave, a message about your concerns on the WP:AWB pages. Regards,

F & M Bank
Thank you. I didn't see that image as an exceptional one, just one that was effective at communicating the appearance of the building (and frankly, if you go look at NRHP nom you'll see a picture of the building from an angle more from the southwest and across the street that I should have used, as showing the side makes the Greek Revival origins of the building more apparent). But thanks anyway. I was lucky to have the time of day with the right light (this is important to taking good pictures outdoors) and a blue sky behind me.

I am largely a self-taught photographer, having learned mainly through trial and error since I got my first Minolta film SLR after college. I think everyone who's got some skill learned with an SLR, and later on I started taking slides (some of which, from the Catskills, I should have scanned). Or, as the cognoscenti shutterbugs call it, E6. Slides are less forgiving and more rewarding than color print film. It's absolutely necessary to exposure bracket with many of the things you shoot. I also learned a lot shooting pictures for one of the newspapers I worked for.

Believe it or not, I use (right now), a Kodak EasyShare C430, a pretty standard digital point and shoot (although given that a digital camera allows you some control over the exposure setting, it's not really fair to compare it to a film P/S). You're not the only person to have complimented me on what I've created with it (and it helps also to have Photoshop CS2 at my disposal, which can do a lot to pump up the colors just the right way. The image of Garrison Union Free School was, in fact, my most Photoshopped, created from two different images at different exposures (one layer of sky from an image where the building was essentially a silhouette, and the building from one where the sky was blown-out white). I'd love to have a digital SLR ... 5 MP can be so limiting at present, and I'm sure in the future it will be as obsolete as the earliest digital cameras are now.

I should probably write a little tutorial essay on some of the basics of taking photos of certain things, like buildings (usually a lot better from an angle rather than straight on the front). The roads projects in particular needs this ... too many people shoot from cars and through windshields (which gives a green tint ... see the main image for the upcoming main page FA Kansas Turnpike, which I should probably correct). Daniel Case (talk) 14:43, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

Category:Wikipedia requested photographs in Georgia (U.S. state)
I read your post here. Category:Wikipedia requested photographs in Georgia (U.S. state) has been subcategorized by county. Please consider tagging the List of National Historic Landmarks in Georgia (U.S. state) article with photo requests directed to specific Georgia counties using the revised Template:WikiProject GeorgiaUS. Thanks. GregManninLB (talk) 20:22, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

Bennington Battlefield
I received your note about the Bennington Monument. You are correct that a picture of the battlefield would be preferable. Since one is, as yet unavailable, the Monument seems a good one until one turns up. Since Bennington, VT is the closest city to the battlefield, it is appropriate that the Monument was built there, instead of on the field itself. Were it not for the accident of the state line, no one would think twice about it.

If you have no comment, I will re-revert it tomorrow.

Andrew Balet (talk) 01:38, 8 April 2008 (UTC)


 * I tried getting a photo from the Bennington Battlefield when I was in the area last time. Unfortunately, it's only opened seasonally and during the winter a metal gate prevents road access. There's a good dozen or so miles -- not to mention a state line -- between the entrance to the battlefield and the location of the monument. I therefore concur with your stance that the one should not be used for the other.
 * I will try again to get some photos for the article when I'm back in town late May, early June. - Cg-realms (talk) 13:10, 8 April 2008 (EDT)

Hayes Photo
Just to give you a heads up to the talk page, I'm fine with your conclusion. I'd rather err on the side of caution.~ (The Rebel At) ~ 21:37, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the link to the Va NHL page. An article for Christ Church in Alexandria, Virginia already exists as well as the one you created.  The only difference is that it has a few more lines about the church and a picture I took a year or two ago.  I went ahead and put the picture on the NHL Va page, but I'll leave it up to you with which article to keep. ~ <font size="1" color="red">(The Rebel At) ~  00:50, 10 April 2008 (UTC)\

Virgina NHL's
Sure, I'll try to do some editing on this list. In the first one I looked at, the Alexandria Historic District, I tried to follow the reference to the nomination form, but it wouldn't let me. First it says the page cannot be found. Then, when I try to go to pdfhost.focus.nps.gov it says that I'm not authorized to view this page. Any ideas? Is there anything in particular you'd like me to work on for this list?Lvklock (talk) 02:46, 10 April 2008 (UTC)


 * responding on Talk:List of National Historic Landmarks in Virginia. doncram (talk) 04:16, 10 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the answer re: boundary increase on the Virginia NHL's talk page. When you get a chance, take a look at my questions under other pics there and see if you can fix them easily, or point me in the right direction. Lvklock (talk) 10:06, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

Hi, I too will be glad to help. Even though my mother's family settled n Ohio before statehood (1803), I find it hard to get too excited about it. For starters in VA, I'd like to do Hanover County Courthouse. I though of merging it with Hanover Courthouse (its unincorporated community) but that should incorporated the HD. The actual NHL should be separate. A question, I have is on NRHP.com for Hanover County, 3 blue stars are supposed to be NHLs, but some are and some aren't on the NHL list. The Richmond National Battlefield Park which is actually in Hanover County has 3 stars. Cold Harbor National Cemetery also has 3 stars. I found one in Sumter County SC that has 2 stars but isn't on the NPS NHL list. Best wishes. clariosophic (talk) 03:28, 10 April 2008 (UTC)


 * responding on Talk:List of National Historic Landmarks in Virginia. doncram (talk) 04:16, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Hi doncram. I noticed in your Pittsylvania County Courthouse article that you added the HABS pic to the article, but not in the infobox. I've been merrily wandering around moving pics to the infobox, replacing the Va map with the red dot. Should I not be doing that, or maybe only with newer color pics? Lvklock (talk) 17:08, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

Meridian MRA Request
Earlier this month, you helped me out on my Grand Opera House (Meridian, Mississippi) article by providing an MRA document in pdf format. You commented on my talk page, and I responded, but I wrote on my page instead of yours. I wrote the following:


 * Wow. How do you know how to find this stuff? Haha I had no clue what an MRA was; it just showed up with the infobox. That PDF is great. I can probably use it for a LOT of articles haha. Thanks for that! ... Dudemanfellabra (talk) 04:48, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

I just started a stub a while ago for another NRHP in Meridian (Temple Theater), and it shows that it was submitted under an MRA.. Is this the same MRA or is it a different one? I don't see anything about the Temple Theater in this one.. If it is a different one, how might I go about finding this document?

Thanks! - Dudemanfellabra (talk) 02:37, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

Old Catholic Cemetery (Mobile, Alabama)
Hey, thanks for the tip and complement. I did already find and print the Historic Roman Catholic Properties in Mobile MPS but the info on Old Catholic was so sparse that I didn't put it as a source since the MPS itself was written by John Sledge, the author (and member of the AL Hist. Commission) of the book on Historic Cemeteries of Mobile, and it was my primary source for the article. I used the MPS listing extensively on Convent and Academy of the Visitation and Convent of Mercy (Mobile, Alabama). Though it may not be common practice, I also created the Category:Historic Roman Catholic Properties in Mobile to link these articles together. I see that we now have a style guide started, things are really coming along! I took somewhat of a wikibreak, but am going to get back into the groove again soon. Thanks for all of your help. Cheers!  Altairisfar <sub style="color:#9ACD32;">talk  03:13, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

USS Texas (BB-35)
Hey, is there any chance you could provide the USS Texas (BB-35) article with the proper National Historic Landmark information for its infobox? Thanks in advance — Bellhalla (talk) 19:47, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Wow. That was fast. Thanks a bunch! — Bellhalla (talk) 20:15, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

Peace College Main Building
Hello there, I have a question for you. I'm kinda stuck on ideas for writing a hook. I don't want it to be too wordy, but I think it should include information about it being a military hospital for Confederate soldiers and as offices for the Freedmen's Bureau before it was used as an educational building. Do you think it needs to include all of that? Thanks. AgnosticPreachersKid (talk) 23:33, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I replied on my talk page. AgnosticPreachersKid (talk) 23:48, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

NHLs and NM
Could you look at the discussion at User talk:Appraiser? Basically the other editor is interpreting the appendix of the NPS list to say that the National Monuments are National Historic Landmarks. Thanks.--Appraiser (talk) 20:13, 18 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Hi, it's a bit strange to hop between the Wikipedias, but usually I look at the en-WP only once each day I am active on WP at all. So contacting me on de-WP is helpful if you want to reach me faster. Yes, I am primarily working on historical Monuments, Memorials, Landmarks and so on in the US on de-WP for quite some time. It's been a lonely task at de-WP as no one else is writing about these issues regularly. You might want to take a look at my user page there: de:Benutzer:H-stt, where I list most of the articles, I started and some I expanded. But now that I am through with the National Monuments (one is still missing, but not for long) I probably return to National Parks and write about nature again. Or I continue with National Historical Parks and National Historic Sites. NHLs are not in my focus, because many other sites of higher status are still missing in de-WP, but occasionally I write one too. I've been traveling the western US extensively and know many NPs and NMs, NHSs, NWhatEvers quite well. Regarding the issue at hand, I just answered at Appraisers. --h-stt !?  21:48, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Deansboro Railroad Station
I found your comment about source of information. I looked at the reference, it's in the Java file of the NPS registration form. In fact, that has a lot more information than what is in the article. Einbierbitte (talk) 22:34, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

DYK
We did it! I got this notice today! Lvklock (talk) 02:10, 21 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks for congrats and for the PDF suggestion. I wouldn't have thought of it, but I saved it that way, too.  Lvklock (talk) 09:12, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Speedy deletion of Richard Taliaferro
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DYK

 * Hooray!! Congrats!!  Lvklock (talk) 01:13, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I first saw the notice for this on my watchlist and wrote the above without looking at it. Double congrats for getting the lead DYK, picture and all! Lvklock (talk) 01:17, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Highland Park Carousel
Haha can you just make it a national monument at will? I don't think it actually is one, is it? If you're just trying to use it as an example, I would suggest making a new box on Template:Infobox nrhp2/doc, so no actual article will be wrong for any period of time. You could even make a sandbox page if you feel like it haha. --Dudemanfellabra (talk) 03:05, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

CT Historic Places
I don't know where you live, but just so you know, nothing in Connecticut is that far from anything else in Connecticut. ;) I also go hiking a lot, all over the place.  I'll take a look at that list.  Off the top of my head, I work very near the Cheney Historic District in Manchester, so perhaps tomorrow after work I can get out there.  I'll get as many photos for you as I can.  :)  Chrissypan (talk) 01:16, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

Wilshire Boulevard Temple
Thanks for the help with the National Register issue. I had noticed that it is sometimes listed as "Congregation B'nai B'rith" and appreciate your adding that. Do you know how to create a re-direct, so that someone typing in Congregation B'nai B'rith gets directed to "Wilshire Boulevard Temple." They are the same thing, and a re-direct would avoid confusion and risk of someone creating a duplicate site, not finding the article, etc. Thanks again.Cbl62 (talk) 06:16, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the walk-through. That was simple enough for even me.Cbl62 (talk) 06:25, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately, most of my targets don't seem to have made the National Register, but I've been steadily working my way through LA landmarks and will likely come across some registered sites. I've already added over 100 picturs of LA area landmarks that I've been taking on weekends over the last couple months.  If there are any sites that you want photos of, let me know, and I'll try to get them.Cbl62 (talk) 06:44, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I was using the term "landmark" in a looser way, but there is a list of sites in LA that have been designated by the City as Cultural Historic Landmarks. See http://cityplanning.lacity.org/complan/HCM/HCM.CFM  Cbl62 (talk) 14:20, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

Cataldo/Old Mission Merger
I am sorry that the merge was done without your say. I didn't use a merge tag, and that was caused the problem. It can always be reversed and done right, and I am not opposed to that, as long as it is done correctly. Please review my comment that I made atTalk:Old_Mission_State_Park. "Vatsun | Talk" 17:26, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

Burbank City Hall
I added a new article on Burbank City Hall which is on the National Register. If you have a few minutes, take a look and see if I got the info box right. Thanks.Cbl62 (talk) 07:33, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

Speedy deletion of Martin's Brandon Church
A tag has been placed on Martin's Brandon Church, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section G1 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the page appears to have no meaningful content or history, and the text is unsalvageably incoherent. If the page you created was a test, please use the sandbox for any other experiments you would like to do. Feel free to leave a message on my talk page if you have any questions about this.

If you think that this notice was placed here in error, you may contest the deletion by adding  to the top of the page that has been nominated for deletion (just below the existing speedy deletion or "db" tag), coupled with adding a note on the talk page explaining your position, but be aware that once tagged for speedy deletion, if the article meets the criterion it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the article that would would render it more in conformance with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Lastly, please note that if the article does get deleted, you can contact one of these admins to request that a copy be emailed to you. Zginder 2008-04-26T21:18Z (UTC)


 * I am not an admin and can not delete or undelete. Zginder 2008-04-26T21:44Z (UTC)


 * If you want a new article, I've already started one & have the Nom Form. The church has a home page and history. The talk page is still there. Strange. clariosophic (talk) 21:57, 26 April 2008 (UTC) 21:56, 26 April 2008 (UTC)


 * I do not have now or ever did have another account. Feel free to checkuser me to prove so.


 * When I tagged it there were the title and two or three other words. I do not remember seeing a infobox or a assertion of notability.  I agree that the current version is notable. Zginder 2008-04-26T22:03Z (UTC)

Notes on RebelAt talk
Heyas, no worries on scanning the sandbox. So long as someone doesn't come along and steal my work without crediting me (God forbid), I don't mind anyone looking around. Thanks for the link on Canehill, it will prove useful and make for a better article, definitely. I'm presently wrapping up my first year of law school, so my free time tends to come in spurts only. Mainly, I'm just busy with studying! So don't be surprised if I help a bit somewhere, then vanish. Thanks again for the link and good work on the VHL list! <font color="#3333CC">~ <font size="1" color="red">(The Rebel At) ~ 22:08, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

William Howard Taft National Historic Site
I thought I'd let you know I made a major enhancement of William Howard Taft National Historic Site. I think it's a B now.-- Bedford 20:21, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

Burbank City Hall and Breed Street Shul
I have now added articles and photos on Burbank City Hall and Broad Street Shul, two more listed sites in Los Angeles County. Any suggestions you have would be appreciated.Cbl62 (talk) 21:25, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

Template:Infobox nrhp2
Hi, Doncram. Talk about the new nrhp2 infobox has pretty much died down over at the WikiProject.. I've also noticed that all the articles you've been creating lately have used the old nrhp infobox.. Wasn't the purpose of making a new infobox to standardize all the articles? This would be done by creating all new articles with the new template and editing older articles to incorporate the new changes. -Dudemanfellabra 15:07, 19 April 2008 (UTC) Isn't standardization key to this project? The thread at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject National Register of Historic Places talks about making all the county lists standardized; should not all the infoboxes be standardized too? As of now, there are 3 different versions of the nrhp infobox (and one contains about 15 subpages). That, to me, is unacceptable. IMO, we should choose only one and make all articles use it.

Is there any way to like bring up a poll on the Project page? I think it should be big and bold at the top of the page, so everyone will see it. The poll should contain a detailed description of each infobox and point out pros and cons. Each user could cast a vote, and after a predetermined period of time, the votes would be tallied and both infoboxes that didn't win would be deleted. The descriptions of the infoboxes could either be created by a third party who has no interest in either of the three, or representatives for each infobox could type up an argument... much like a campaign. Of course my (biased) vote is toward infobox nrhp2.

My main argument is for standardization. Articles within the scope of this WikiProject should all be easily identified: "Oh, that article belongs to WikiProject NRHP." If there are 3 infoboxes and endless possibilities for article customization, uniformity is lost, and the Project may as well cease to exist.

Ha.. it's kind of ironic that the main reason I made the nrhp2 infobox was to be able to customize articles to display what they want, and now I'm pressing for uniformity. My opinion (and part of my argument to make the nrhp2 infobox the standard one) is that an editor should have full control over the infobox, displaying only parts that he/she wants to display (such as both the map and the image..... and all the bars at the top), but that all editors should have the same infobox. Infobox nrhp2 allows one to do exactly this. If an editor wants to display a map and no image, he/she can do that; if an editor wants to display an image and no map, he/she can do that; if an editor wants to display both, he/she can do that; if an editor wants to display neither, he/she can do that as well. Infobox nrhp2 allows for full customization while keeping a unifying standardization.

What are your thoughts on this? I decided to ask you before I said anything on the talk page to get a second opinion. --Dudemanfellabra (talk) 00:30, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

I just saw where you used my infobox on William Howard Taft National Historic Site. Wee! :D --Dudemanfellabra (talk) 00:39, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

Adobes
Thanks for the information about the infobox generator. Very useful and time-saving. I created articles this evening about the Leonis (pictured), Lopez and Pico Adobes, all listed on the National Register of Historic Places, and among the oldest residences in the San Fernando Valley. As always, any suggestions you might have would be appreciated.Cbl62 (talk) 05:31, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

Great Steamboat Race
Should Great Steamboat race bein the NRHP WikiProject. After all, what other National Historic Landmarks race against each other?-- Bedford 00:31, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

Antelope Valley
WOW! Gorgeous picture....I'm impressed. Lvklock (talk) 19:10, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Second that. Ya done goooood. ;) --Ebyabe (talk) 23:25, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
 * That field must have inspired Victor Fleming!--Appraiser (talk) 01:13, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

NY NHL desriptions
The to do list says all the descriptions need to be reviewed. Do you know if any of that has been done? I could start that this evening. Lvklock (talk) 18:02, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

Former NHLs in South Carolina
Thanks for the recognition. It has been fun and interesting. New Jersey done today and Mississippi is next! [[#Early registration for Wikimania 2008 is now open. [hide]

List of National Historic Landmarks in South Carolina From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Jump to: navigation, search This is a List of National Historic Landmarks in South Carolina and other landmarks of equivalent landmark status in the state. The United States' National Historic Landmark (NHL) program is operated under the auspices of the National Park Service, and recognizes structures, districts, objects, and similar resources according to a list of criteria of national significance.[1] There are 77 NHLs in South Carolina and 3 additional National Park Service-administered areas of primarily historic importance.[2]

Contents [hide] 1 Current NHLs in South Carolina 2 Historic areas of the National Park System in South Carolina 3 Former NHLs in South Carolina 4 See also 5 References 6 External links

[edit] Current NHLs in South Carolina [show]Map of all coordinates Export points of interest as KML Export microformated coordinates as GeoRSS Map of microformated coordinates The 77 NHL's in South Carolina are distributed across 16 of the 46 counties in the state. Charleston County has 43 of them, however.

There are ___ battlefields and other military sites of the American Revolutionary war[3] and the American Civil War[4]

There are four World War II era museum ships, all located at Patriot's Point in Charleston Harbor.

There are ___ protestant churches in Charleston and Columbia, ___ protestant "back-country" churches, ___ Catholic churches, and one synagogue (the second oldest in the U.S.).

There are ___ plantation houses, mansions, or houses significant for their architecture

There are ___ public and/or institutional buildings including the South Carolina State House, a prison, and hospital or mental institutions.

There are ___ banks or other commercial buildings.[5]

There are ___ places listed for their association with slaves or former slaves.[6]

There are five places listed for their association with artists and writers.[7]

Architects whose work is recognized by two or more separate NHLs in the state are:

Robert Mills (8 sites),[8] Edward Brickell White (5 sites),[9] Gabriel Manigault (3 sites),[10], and William Wallace Anderson (2 sites).[11], These tallies does not include any other buildings that are contributing properties within Charleston Historic District or other historic districts but which are not NHLs on their own.

[12]  Landmark name[2]   Image   Year listed[2]   Locality[2][13]   County[2]   Description[13] 1 William Aiken House and Associated Railroad Structures 04 Nov 1963 Charleston Charleston Structures of South Carolina Canal and Railroad Company, the longest operating railroad in the world in 1833, and home of founder William Aiken 2 Atalaya and Brookgreen Gardens 05 Oct 1992 Murrells Inlet Georgetown Landmark combining Atalaya Castle and portions of Brookgreen Gardens associated with artist Anna Hyatt Huntington 3 Beaufort Historic District 07 Nov 1973 Beaufort Beaufort Historic district 4 Bethesda Presbyterian Church 04 Feb 1985 Camden 34°14′48″N 80°36′19″W﻿ / ﻿34.246589, -80.605213﻿ (Bethesda Presbyterian Church) Kershaw Church designed by Robert Mills 5 William Blacklock House 07 Nov 1973 Charleston 32°46′59″N 79°56′22″W﻿ / ﻿32.782927, -79.939353﻿ (Blacklock, William, House) Charleston Adamesque house, possibly designed by Gabriel Manigault 6 Borough House 07 Jun 1988 Stateburg Sumter "The oldest and largest collection of 'high style' pise de terre (rammed earth) buildings in the United States". Across the road from Church of the Holy Cross 7 Miles Brewton House 09 Oct 1960 Charleston 32°46′20″N 79°55′56″W﻿ / ﻿32.772131, -79.932201﻿ (Brewton, Miles, House) Charleston Fine examples of a "double house" (having four main rooms per floor) in Charleston 8 Robert Brewton House 09 Oct 1960 Charleston 32°46′28″N 79°55′45″W﻿ / ﻿32.774388, -79.929041﻿ (Brewton, Robert, House) Charleston Charleston's oldest dated "single" house (one room wide, with the narrow end towards the street, the better to catch cool breezes) 9 Brick House Ruins 15 Apr 1970 Edisto Island 32°35′59″N 80°19′32″W﻿ / ﻿32.5997736201, -80.3254204452﻿ (Brick House Ruin) Charleston Ruins of a plantation house that burned in 1929 10 Burt-Stark Mansion image pending 05 Oct 1992 Abbeville 34°10′49″N 82°22′55″W﻿ / ﻿34.180317, -82.382023﻿ (Burt, Armistead, House) Abbeville Where the American Civil War ended. 11 Camden Battlefield 20 Jan 1961 Camden Kershaw Site of Battle of Camden, British victory in 1780 12 Chapelle Administration Building 08 Dec 1976 Columbia 34°00′37″N 81°01′16″W﻿ / ﻿34.010263, -81.020966﻿ (Chapelle Administration Building) Richland Allen University building designed by John A. Lankford, "dean of black architecture" 13 Charlesfort-Santa Elena Site image pending 03 Jan 2001 Paris Island Beaufort Archeological site of French fort built in 1562 and Spanish forts built in 1566 and after. 14 Charleston Historic District 09 Oct 1960 Charleston Charleston Historic district including 81 contributing properties and 700 others. 15 Church of the Holy Cross 07 Nov 1973 Stateburg 33°57′39″N 80°31′55″W﻿ / ﻿33.9607436711, -80.531944136﻿ (Holy Cross Episcopal Church) Sumter Gothic Revival Church constructed of rammed earth in 1852. Across the road from Borough House 16 Clamagore (USS) 29 Jun 1989 Patriot's Point, Mt. Pleasant 32°47′16″N 79°54′28″W﻿ / ﻿32.7878828892, -79.9077444154﻿ (USS Clamagore (SS-343)) Charleston A submarine that was in training when World War II ended 17 Coker Experimental Farms image pending 19 Jul 1964 Hartsville Darlington Site of crop-improvement experiments that "played a great role in the agricultural revolution of the South" 18 College of Charleston 11 Nov 1971 Charleston Charleston Historic and attractive campus center; Main Building, the Library, and Gate Lodge completed by 1856, designed by William Strickland, Edward Brickell White, and George E. Walker 19 Drayton Hall 09 Oct 1960 Charleston Charleston Plantation house built in 1742 of Palladian architectural style 20 Exchange and Provost 07 Nov 1973 Charleston 32°46′37″N 79°55′37″W﻿ / ﻿32.776842, -79.927009﻿ (Exchange And Provost) Charleston Variously a customhouse, merchantile exchange, military prison and barracks, post office, and meeting place of the 1790 State Legislature 21 Farmers' and Exchange Bank 07 Nov 1973 Charleston 32°46′39″N 79°55′37″W﻿ / ﻿32.777435, -79.926964﻿ (Farmers' And Exchange Bank) Charleston A unique Moorish-style bank building built in 1854 22 Fig Island image pending 29 Mar 2007 Charleston Charleston Archaeological site that is "one of the most complex shell-ring sites" in the United States 23 Fireproof Building 07 Nov 1969 Charleston 32°46′37″N 79°55′52″W﻿ / ﻿32.776923, -79.931052﻿ (Fireproof Building) Charleston Designed by Robert Mills to be the most fireproof building in America 24 First Baptist Church (Columbia, South Carolina) 07 Nov 1973 Columbia 34°00′21″N 81°02′00″W﻿ / ﻿34.005864, -81.033450﻿ (First Baptist Church) Richland Where the American Civil War started, with the secession of South Carolina from the Union. 25 Fort Hill (Clemson) 19 Dec 1960 Clemson 34°40′34″N 82°50′21″W﻿ / ﻿34.675976354, -82.8392083668﻿ (Fort Hill) Pickens Home of John C. Calhoun, now within Clemson University campus. 26 William Gibbes House 15 Apr 1970 Charleston 32°46′15″N 79°56′04″W﻿ / ﻿32.770701, -79.934493﻿ (Gibbes, William, House) Charleston Adamesque style home with a beautiful ballroom, and exceptional wrought iron work and marble steps in front 27 Graniteville Historic District /span> 02 Jun 1978 Graniteville Aiken Company town, of a company that did what?, with Gothic revival church and carpenter gothic homes 28 Hampton Plantation 15 Apr 1970 McClellanville Charleston "South Carolina's finest example of a large two-and-a-half frame Georgian plantation house" 29 Dubose Heyward House 11 Nov 1971 Charleston 32°46′29″N 79°55′45″W﻿ / ﻿32.774663, -79.929029﻿ (Heyward, Dubose, House) Charleston Home of Dubose Heyward, author of the novel Porgy. 30 Heyward-Washington House 15 Apr 1970 Charleston 32°46′31″N 79°55′45″W﻿ / ﻿32.775337, -79.929125﻿ (Heyward-washington House) Charleston 31 Hibernian Hall 07 Nov 1973 Charleston 32°46′39″N 79°55′52″W﻿ / ﻿32.777469, -79.931148﻿ (Hibernian Hall) Charleston One of the "Four Corners of the Law" 32 Hopsewee 11 Nov 1971 Georgetown Georgetown Plantation mansion built in 1749; the birthplace of Thomas Lynch, Jr. 33 Huguenot Church 07 Nov 1973 Charleston 32°46′41″N 79°55′46″W﻿ / ﻿32.778090, -79.929312﻿ (Huguenot Church) Charleston Gothic Revival church built in 1844; designed by architect E. B. White 34 Ingham (USCGC) 27 Apr 1992 Patriot's Point, Mount Pleasant 32°47′12″N 79°54′31″W﻿ / ﻿32.7866276696, -79.9086140284﻿ (Uscgc Ingham) Charleston A United States Coast Guard cutter 35 Kahal Kadosh Beth Elohim 19 Jun 1980 Charleston 32°46′55″N 79°55′59″W﻿ / ﻿32.781979, -79.932948﻿ (Kahal Kadosh Beth Elohim Synagogue) Charleston Greek revival building from 1840; second oldest synagogue in continuous use in the United States 36 Laffey (USS) 14 Jan 1986 Patriot's Point, Mount Pleasant 32°47′16″N 79°54′28″W﻿ / ﻿32.7878828892, -79.9077444154﻿ (Uss Laffey) Charleston A destroyer 37 Lancaster County Courthouse 07 Nov 1973 Lancaster 34°43′17″N 80°46′17″W﻿ / ﻿34.721264, -80.771369﻿ (Lancaster County Courthouse) Lancaster Courthouse in continuous use since 1828; designed by Robert Mills 38 Lancaster County Jail 07 Nov 1973 Lancaster 34°43′06″N 80°46′17″W﻿ / ﻿34.718335, -80.771270﻿ (Lancaster County Jail) Lancaster Progressively designed jail, for its day 39 Joseph Manigault House 07 Nov 1973 Charleston 32°47′19″N 79°56′08″W﻿ / ﻿32.788703, -79.935558﻿ (Manigault, Joseph, House) Charleston Home designed by Gabriel Manigault 40 Market Hall and Sheds 07 Nov 1973 Charleston 32°46′51″N 79°55′54″W﻿ / ﻿32.780720, -79.931515﻿ (Market Hall And Sheds) Charleston Greek Revival market place and sheds 41 Marshlands 07 Nov 1973 Beaufort 32°26′01″N 80°39′57″W﻿ / ﻿32.433520, -80.665831﻿ (Marshlands) Beaufort Home of Dr. James Robert Verdier, who discovered a treatment for yellow fever 42 Middleburg Plantation 15 Apr 1970 Huger Berkeley Plantation mansion 43 Middleton Place 11 Nov 1971 Summerville Dorchester Plantation mansion and botanical gardens on the Ashley River 44 Millford Plantation 07 Nov 1973 Pinewood Sumter A monumental 2-story Greek Revival mansion built in 1839 and meticulously restored in the early 1990s. 45 Clark Mills Studio 21 Dec 1965 Charleston 32°46′36″N 79°55′46″W﻿ / ﻿32.776597, -79.929503﻿ (Mills, Clark, Studio) Charleston Studio of self-taught sculptor Clark Mills 46 Robert Mills House 07 Nov 1973 Columbia Richland Home designed by architect Robert Mills 47 Mills Building, South Carolina State Hospital 07 Nov 1973 Columbia 34°00′55″N 81°02′03″W﻿ / ﻿34.015160, -81.034151﻿ (South Carolina State Hospital, Mills Building) Richland Designed by Robert Mills, used from 1827 to 1937; "the oldest building in the country to be used continuously as a mental institution and one of the first mental hospitals built with public funds" 48 Mulberry Plantation (Moncks Corner, South Carolina) 09 Oct 1960 Moncks Corner Berkeley Built in 1714 for a Royal governor; one of the earliest plantation homes in the United States 49 Mulberry Plantation (James and Mary Boykin Chesnut House) 16 Feb 2000 Camden Kershaw Home of Mary Boykin Chesnut and source for her Civil War-time diary describing southern society, "acknowledged as the most important piece of Confederate literature" 50 Ninety-Six and Star Fort 07 Nov 1973 Ninety Six Greenwood 51 Old Marine Hospital 07 Nov 1973 Charleston 32°46′39″N 79°56′15″W﻿ / ﻿32.777621, -79.937483﻿ (Old Marine Hospital) Charleston Gothic Revival design by Robert Mills built in 1833 to serve sick sailors and other transients 52 Parish House of the Circular Congregational Church 07 Nov 1973 Charleston 32°46′45″N 79°55′53″W﻿ / ﻿32.779032, -79.931308﻿ (Circular Congregational Church and Parish House) Charleston Parish house designed by Robert Mills 53 Penn School Historic District 02 Dec 1974 Frogmore Beaufort School for freed slaves, Gullahs, on St. Helena Island which was occupied by the Union near the outset of the American Civil War 54 Pompion Hill Chapel 15 Apr 1970 Huger Berkeley Beautiful small "back parish" church built in 1763, unaltered 55 Powder Magazine 27 Sep 1989 Charleston 32°46′47″N 79°55′47″W﻿ / ﻿32.779656, -79.929791﻿ (Powder Magazine) Charleston 56 Joseph H. Rainey House image pending 20 Apr 1984 Georgetown 33°22′07″N 79°17′02″W﻿ / ﻿33.368607, -79.283817﻿ (Rainey, Joseph H., House) Georgetown Home of the first black U.S. Congressman, Joseph H. Rainey, a former slave 57 Robert Barnwell Rhett House image pending 07 Nov 1973 Charleston 32°47′11″N 79°56′33″W﻿ / ﻿32.786250, -79.942502﻿ (Rhett, Robert Barnwell, House) Charleston Home of Robert Barnwell Rhett, an extreme secessionist politician, a leading fire-eater at the Nashville Convention of 1850, which failed to endorse his aim of secession 58 Robert William Roper House 07 Nov 1973 Charleston 32°46′14″N 79°55′42″W﻿ / ﻿32.770529, -79.928419﻿ (Roper, Robert William, House) Charleston A grandiose brick house, probably designed by Edward B. White 59 Nathaniel Russell House 07 Nov 1973 Charleston 32°46′27″N 79°55′51″W﻿ / ﻿32.774177, -79.930737﻿ (Russell, Nathaniel, House) Charleston Adamesque home built in 1809 with a 3-story self-supporting elliptical stairway 60 Edward Rutledge House 11 Nov 1971 Charleston 32°46′34″N 79°56′01″W﻿ / ﻿32.776202, -79.933560﻿ (Rutledge, Edward, House) Charleston Home of Edward Rutledge, a signer of the Declaration of Independence, and a governor of South Carolina 61 John Rutledge House 07 Nov 1973 Charleston 32°46′34″N 79°56′01″W﻿ / ﻿32.776231, -79.933563﻿ (Rutledge, Gov. John, House) Charleston Home of Gov. John Rutledge, a signer of the U.S. Constitution. 62 St. James Church, Goose Creek 15 Apr 1970 Goose Creek 32°58′25″N 80°01′47″W﻿ / ﻿32.9736161772, -80.0295944031﻿ (St. James' Church, Goose Creek) Berkeley Small church 63 St. James Church, Santee 15 Apr 1970 Georgetown 33°10′13″N 79°27′57″W﻿ / ﻿33.1701661209, -79.465689955﻿ (St. James Episcopal Church, Santee) Charleston Small church 64 St. Michael's Episcopal Church 09 Oct 1960 Charleston 32°46′34″N 79°55′51″W﻿ / ﻿32.775963, -79.930931﻿ (St. Michael's Episcopal Church) Charleston A church. 65 St. Philip's Episcopal Church (Charleston, South Carolina) 07 Nov 1973 Charleston 32°46′44″N 79°55′46″W﻿ / ﻿32.778874, -79.929469﻿ (St. Philip's Episcopal Church) Charleston Church with E. B. White-designed steeple 66 St. Stephen's Episcopal Church 15 Apr 1970 St. Stephen Berkeley A small Georgian brick country church with a high gambrel roof. 67 Simmons-Edwards House 07 Nov 1973 Charleston 32°46′23″N 79°56′02″W﻿ / ﻿32.772912, -79.933969﻿ (Simmons-edwards House) Charleston Known as the "Pineapple Gates House" by locals, refering to finials upon its large brick gates 68 Robert Smalls House 30 May 1973 Beaufort 32°26′07″N 80°40′06″W﻿ / ﻿32.435156, -80.668186﻿ (Smalls, Robert, House) Beaufort Post-Civil War home of U.S. congressman Robert Smalls, a former slave who commandeered a Confederate ship out to Union lines 69 Snee Farm 07 Nov 1973 Mount Pleasant Charleston NRHP 73001702. Try also Charles Pinckney National Historic Site 70 Snow's Island image pending 02 Dec 1974 Johnsonville Florence 71 South Carolina Statehouse 11 May 1976 Columbia Richland South Carolina State House is PDF NHL name. 72 Stono River Slave Rebellion Site image pending 30 May 1974 Rantowles 32°47′08″N 80°08′44″W﻿ / ﻿32.7855006028, -80.1455604195﻿ (Stono River Slave Rebellion Site) Charleston Beginning point of the earliest slave revolt in the United States. 73 Colonel John Stuart House 07 Nov 1973 Charleston 32°46′28″N 79°56′02″W﻿ / ﻿32.774370, -79.933807﻿ (Stuart, Col. John, House) Charleston Home of Colonel John Stuart. 74 Unitarian Church (Charleston, South Carolina) 07 Nov 1973 Charleston 32°46′41″N 79°56′04″W﻿ / ﻿32.778149, -79.934554﻿ (Unitarian Church) Charleston Church built in 1772 that was "Gothicized" during 1852-1854 75 Denmark Vesey House image pending 11 May 1976 Charleston 32°46′56″N 79°56′28″W﻿ / ﻿32.782209, -79.941180﻿ (Vesey, Denmark, House) Charleston Home of Denmark Vesey? 76 Woodlands 11 Nov 1971 Bamberg Bamberg A run-down estate received by author William Gilmore Simms, whose main house was then burned in 1865; nonetheless it became a "literary landmark" 77 Yorktown (USS) 14 Jan 1986 Patriot's Point, Mount Pleasant 32°47′20″N 79°54′31″W﻿ / ﻿32.78879224, -79.9085875915﻿ (Uss Yorktown (cv-10)) Charleston Famous World War II aircraft carrier

[edit] Historic areas of the National Park System in South Carolina National Historic Sites, National Historic Parks, National Memorials, and certain other areas listed in the National Park system are historic landmarks of national importance that are highly protected already, often before the inauguration of the NHL program in 1960, and are then often not also named NHLs per se. There are five of these in South Carolina. The National Park Service lists these five together with the NHLs in the state,[14] The Charles Pinckney National Historic Site (also known as Snee Farm) and Ninety Six National Historic Site are also NHL's and are listed above. The remaining three are:

Landmark name Image Date established[15]  Location   County   Description 1 Cowpens National Battlefield 04 Mar 1929 Gaffney Cherokee Site of Battle of Cowpens in 1781 2 Fort Sumter National Monument 28 Apr 1948 Charleston Charleston First shots of the American Civil War were fired here on January 9, 1861, and the Battle of Fort Sumter raged from April 12 to April 13. 3 Kings Mountain National Military Park 03 Mar 1931 Blacksburg Cherokee Site of Battle of Kings Mountain on 07 Oct 1780

Former NHLs in South Carolina
Thanks for the recognition. It has been fun. New Jersey today and then Mississippi!

The List of National Historic Landmarks in South Carolina says that no NHLs have been de-designated. But hasn't Piedmont Manufacturing been withdrawn after it burned down? I could add it unless there is a reason not too do it. KudzuVine (talk) 23:24, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

Syracuse University-Comstock Tract Buildings images
I just wanted to let you know that as of today an image of each Comstock tract building has been uploaded to the commons. the images of each individual building can be viewed at the List of Syracuse University buildings article. Also, have you had a chance to look over the images I emailed you of Crouse College? -- ZeWrestler  Talk 15:17, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

List of National Historic Landmarks in the District of Columbia
Which are the supporting references in this article? Are the references provided at the top of the chart?  Otolemur crassicaudatus  (talk) 18:27, 8 May 2008 (UTC)


 * The references are provided in the References section, if you are talking about List of NHLs in DC. Reference number 3 is the main one.  However, maybe you meant to refer to an article on an individual landmark in the list, as i was creating articles for some of them earlier.  Perhaps I saved an article in an incomplete state.  Hopefully i remedied that in a later edit.  Let me know.  Thanks, doncram (talk) 18:56, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

Coordinates
I left this question at List of NHL's in NY a couple days ago. Do you know the answer?

A bunch of these articles have two sets of coordinates superimposed over each other above the infobox. How can that be fixed? Ex. Adams Power Plant Transformer House, Susan B. Anthony House, Boughton Hill Lvklock (talk) 23:15, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

More Cali NRHP articles
Doncram -- You were good enough to make suggestions on my first couple articles on SoCal historic sites a week or two ago. I've created a few more which would certainly benefit from your suggestions, should you have time. The articles are: Golden Gate Theater, Stimson House, St. John's Cathedral, Los Angeles, and McCarty Memorial Christian Church. Also stubs with photographs on Whittier, California's sites: Southern Pacific Railroad Depot, Whittier, Orin Jordan House, National Bank of Whittier Building, Jonathan Bailey House, Standard Oil Building (Whittier, California), Hoover Hotel, La Puente Valley Woman's Club. Cbl62 (talk) 04:12, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

Chautauqua Source
My source for the founding of the Chautauqua Boys and Girls Club is their home page. <http://chautauquaclub.com/clubmain.html> That may not be good enough, but I figured they probably knew that much about their history.

I poked around a bit to see if I could find out anything about when day camps were first established, and came up dry. But I figured with that founding date "one of the" is probably accurate. (After all, how precise is that claim? One of the first thousand...?)

My Chautauqa history books seem to be in hiding, so further footnoting will have to wait until the end of the semester at least. WindmillLady (talk) 09:53, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

Issues with Gridley Building
I recently went to the downtown Syracuse location today where the Gridley Building and the Onondaga County Savings Bank Building are located. There is a picture on this site of the location back in the early 1900's. I've uploaded this image to the commons here. As you can see in this picture, these two buildings are not the same. However, in the article you've created, Gridley Building they are. I have also taken images of both the Gridley Building and the Onondaga County Savings Bank Building. Image:Gridley Building - Syracuse, NY.jpg and Image:Onondaga County Savings Bank Building - Syracuse, NY.jpg. I think it'd be best to separate these 2 buildings into different articles and update the List of Registered Historic Places in Onondaga County, New York. Also, I've added 3 more buildings to that list and created Syracuse City Hall. Anyway, hope this helps-- ZeWrestler  Talk 04:52, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

Geographic coordinates parameter for Reqphoto
I posted a request for Geographic coordinates parameter for Reqphoto here. Please feel free to second the need for the parameter. Thanks. GregManninLB (talk) 07:05, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

PDF info
Thanks for the information about further resources. I'd like to develop more of the Rhode Island stubs with citations and relevant links once all of the RI historic sites are on wikipedia. Swampyank (talk) 02:06, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

John Phillip Sousa Junior High School
I didn't delete it because it looks like a valid redirect. Many people will type in the wrong number of "l"'s in Philip. CambridgeBayWeather Have a gorilla 03:31, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Typing in the wrong spelling in the search box may or may not lead you to the correct article. Usually the listing of close matches will show what you want but not always. The main problem is the red link. Many people add links but don't stop to check and see if they are red or, if blue, link to the correct place. If the double "l" spelling was missing then it's possible that rather than correct the miss-spelling they may create a second article at the wrong name. It does happen. This can also be a problem with things like John philip Sousa Junior High School, note the small "p", but putting it in the search box will lead directly to the correct article. Hope this helps. CambridgeBayWeather Have a gorilla 03:59, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

List of Civil War Monuments of Kentucky MPS
I made a major overhaul of List of Civil War Monuments of Kentucky MPS, and wondered what you thought about it. Any critique is appreciated.-- Bedford 05:56, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

NHL task force
Hey doncram. I know you have been very active working with NHLs. I was thinking of setting up some task force pages for National Historic Landmarks within the NRHP project pages. It could be a place to compile resources and work with other like-minded individuals. Do you think this would be useful now or at some point down the road? And would you be interested in setting up some stuff to work into it? Nothing pressing, just me bouncing around some thoughts. IvoShandor (talk) 12:27, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

Meridian, Mississippi
I finished making all 9 of the Historic District articles for the city of Meridian, Mississippi. I normally wait until I can get a picture and at least a little information before I start an article, but since you did 2 of the 9, I had to finish it out because I'm OCD haha.. --Dudemanfellabra (talk) 16:50, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

List of Registered Historic Places in the City of Angels
I like the list A LOT. Very nice work. I'll look it over more carefully tonight or tomorrow. One thing I notice is that it does not appear to include some of the areas in the City of LA that have other names even though they are part of the City, e.g., Tujunga (Bolton Hall), Mission Hills (Romulo Pico Adobe), etc. Cbl62 (talk) 00:39, 16 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Hi Don ... I'm responding to your note on my talk page. I'm not sure what you're asking me to do. Did you want me to try and figure out how current the list is? If so, I went through all of the state lists last month and updated them through the listings of April 18. I've not done any updating after that. So if you checked the list you created against the LA section of List of Registered Historic Places in Los Angeles County, California, I know that it's at least complete through April 18. But I think Cbl62 might have added some more recent listings since I worked on it. --Sanfranman59 (talk) 04:40, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Feel free to change back any of my naming changes that you think would be better dealt with in a description column. I'll try to work on pinpointing the neighborhoods when I get a chance. Being able to sort by neighborhood is a very useful feature.  Cbl62 (talk) 05:07, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Why did you name it "RHPs in the City of Angels" instead of "Los Angeles"? I can't imagine that many people will search for the list using that terminology. I know I wouldn't have. When I type "Registered Historic Places in Los Angeles" in the search box, it returns the Los Angeles County list page (including the city of LA), but not the page you created. Just wondering. --Sanfranman59 (talk) 06:20, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I have a suggestion for you to consider. Pasadena has almost as many registered places (nearly 100) as the City of Los Angeles.  It might be helpful to separate out the Pasadena sites into a separate list like you did for LA.  Just a thought. Cbl62 (talk) 03:22, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks and a question
Hi Don, thanks very much for your comments on my peer review - I have replied with a slightly tweaked version of the sentence in question, if you have a chance to look at that again.

I also have an almost entirely unrelated question. List of bridges on the National Register of Historic Places in Pennsylvania has a red link for Bridge in Plunkett's Creek Township which is described as a Single span stone arch near Proctor. I assume this is the same as Plunkett's Creek Bridge No. 3, Spanning Plunkett's Creek at State Route 1005, Barbours vicinity, Lycoming County, PA which is on the Historic American Buildings Survey/Historic American Engineering Record. Do you know if these are the same (the list says it was built in 1932, but the LOC page says the HAER bridge is from the mid 1800s)? To muddy the waters, this web page lists a "Bridge in Plunkett's Creek Township ** (added 2002 - Structure - #88000830)" but says it was added to the NRHP in 2002 (the WP list says it was removed the same year - the HAER says it was destroyed in a 1996 flood and had to be demolished). Can I write to NRHP for the form if the bridge has been removed? Confusedly yours, Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 21:33, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks - most of the PA NRHP forms are online but not the Plunketts Creek bridge. I tried searching the NRIS but could not find the listing. I will email NRHP and ask for the form. Thanks again, Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 02:47, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I plan to write an article on the Plunketts Creek bridge in any case - Plunketts Creek (Loyalsock Creek) is an FA and I will also add some of the info on the bridge to the article. Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 02:55, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

duquesne spy ring
I for one would like to improve the article, but it is not clear to me how inline quotes would be of any benefit for an article that comes mostly from an FBI document. Rather than do harm to the article, take your concerns to the discussion and offer constructive thoughts. --Ctatkinson (talk) 11:30, 17 May 2008 (UTC)


 * The Duquesne Spy Ring discussion of inline quotes can be found in the discussion archive. From the archive: "Your suggestion to quote the material, even if it's the whole article, does not work. Material from the 1911 Britannica needs lots of editing to make it useful, so quoting the original is pointless (and unnecessary since it is available online). This is actually the beauty of the wiki--we can improve the public domain record. Dhaluza (talk09:58, 16 May 2007 (UTC)" How does your inline quote comment differ? How would one apply inline quotes to an article in which so much of it come from another source? (e.g., the same reference repeated over, and over again after each of the hundred or so paragraphs?) -- Ctatkinson (talk) 17:33, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Re: Edward M. Cotter (fireboat)
I got your message, it's still on my todo list. Work and poor weather conditions (cloudy/overcast or rain) have kept me from getting the photos. Shinerunner (talk) 01:10, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

NHLs in Maine
Sorry for the brief stubs in Maine. I have been trying to get stubs up for the New England NHLs and other registered historic sites. I'll try to add more to the various New England articles in the future with pictures and other information and references. Hopefully other volunteers will add information too. I can see you've worked hard on quite a few articles. Thanks for your help. Swampyank (talk) 18:51, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

List of Registered Historic Places in the City of Angels
Hi. Looks like we were both busy this weekend filling out different aspects of the list. I managed to add about 20 or so photos from the Downtown and West Adams areas. I will try to do some more next weekend. If you want to submit the list for DYK, I think today is your last day to do it -- the article was created on May 15 and has to be submitted within five days. Even if DYK doesn't take it, I think we could whip it into shape as a Featured List candidate with a couple more weekends of effort. Cbl62 (talk) 14:54, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for sharing the credit on the LA RHP list. It's getting close to being filled out with photographs.  What did you have in mind for a description column?  BTW, I've created new articles for the Hollywood Masonic Temple, Jardinette Apartments, and Hollywood Studio Club, any of which would likely benefit from your input.Cbl62 (talk) 07:37, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Meridian, Mississippi
I will weigh in on how to make maps on the Meridian, Mississippi PR page - thanks for the heads up. Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 02:28, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

Merged Pullman District
See edit summary

Thanks
Hi Don, thanks again for your advice. I just wanted to let you know I ordered the NRHP form for the Plunketts Creek bridge and they do have it, despite the bridge being destroyed and removed from the register in 2002. They also do not want to send copies when there are scans online (as are available for Pennsylvania - I asked for another form too). Thanks too for the peer review comments, Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 20:41, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

List of National Historic Landmarks in the District of Columbia
Hey, I see you've worked on this quite a bit. I just bought a new camera and can take some pictures for articles that need one. I'll try to work on the descriptions as well. I'd like to get the article to FL if you want to help.  APK  yada yada  08:18, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

Pulaski Cty, AR, NRHPs
Thanks for the guidance and looking over my new articles. I went to the Arkansas Historic Preservation Program and made copies of the original documents. I should have the information you noted on the various talk pages, at least for some of them. I will get it added in.

One concern I had and my reason for not using the NRHP template with the map was that maps.google.com has an optional layer for maps that have icons for links to their relevant Wikipedia articles. I asked on the Google Maps Google Group how these were being added, and the response I received was that it (most likely) was done just as Google Earth, which indexed articles that used the specific coord template that I used (with the title qualifier supposedly being necessary). I want to wait a little while for Google to update again to test this theory. I will leave Lamar Porter Field as it is and if it is not included in the next round of updates, then we will know something for certain; if it does index Lamar Porter Field, I will change all of the other templates to the style you've suggested.

Thanks again, I'm glad you liked the articles and took the time to check em out! Broooooooce (talk) 06:01, 27 May 2008 (UTC)


 * I've looked over my photo copies and I don't have information on who prepared each set of documents. Next time I go down to the AHPP for my next batch of noms that can't be found online, I will retrieve the information and ensure that each article is appropriately updated.  Broooooooce (talk) 06:09, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

RHPs in LA City, LA County, and Pasadena
Good stuff that you've added to the above articles. I'll do my best to add more photos and descriptions to the City of LA article. I'm also trying to work through creating articles for some of these places. Did Judson Studios today and Hollywood Studio Club yesterday. Before moving on to Pasadena, I'd like to try to work on getting the City of LA closer to completion. The idea of getting together for a joint photography effort in Pasadena sounds good, though probably at least a couple weeks from now.Cbl62 (talk) 05:32, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I agree with you on Los Angeles Plaza Historic District. I've been intending to take some pictures in the Plaza area, but parking is so difficult and expensive. BTW, I added an article on LA RHP Wadsworth Chapel this evening; sad to see what bad shape this beautiful old building is in.  Cbl62 (talk) 06:44, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Is there a way to alter the info box for sites that are LA Cultural Heritage Monuments but not RHPs, e.g. Faith Bible Church, Northridge, California?Cbl62 (talk) 14:58, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I got your note. I tried getting the Garbutt House in Silver Lake but it's part of a gated community; I think that one will be tough.  We are only 13 pics away from filling out the LA City list.  Gas is getting expensive to criss-cross the city, but it’s been fun.  Any help you can provide would be appreciated, though I was planning to hit the two in Chatsworth  (the Minnie Palmer House and the Old Santa Susana Stage Road) some time next week.  There is a cluster of five sites in the San Pedro/Wilmington area (American Trona, Battery Osgood-Farley, S.S. Catalina, Municipal Warehouse No. 1, and the Wilmington Branch Library) – you could probably get all of those in a single trip down there.  The Plaza Substation is on Olvera Street; I was down there on Saturday, but couldn’t find the substation.  I found it on a map afterward (right next to Avila Adobe), but don’t know when I’d be able to get back down there.  Two of the remaining sites are places I have looked for and can’t find.  Kerckoff Building is not at the address listed; I wonder if it has been demolished.  For Security First, I could not find an address of 529 Wilishire.  George Kress House and El Greco Apartments are the remaining  two.  BTW, I've also added articles on Montecito Apartments, Wadsworth Chapel, Streetcar Depot, West Los Angeles, and Engine Co. No. 27 which now houses the Los Angeles Fire Department Museum and Memorial and a rewrite of Centinela Adobe.Cbl62 (talk) 04:23, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I look forward to seeing the new pics. If it helps, the LA Public Library has this article about the American Trona building: http://dbase1.lapl.org/webpics/calindex/documents/14/522643.pdf  Cbl62 (talk) 21:54, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

Marcellus Formation
Thanks for pointing me to this article. Very interesting. At first glance, I thought I could easily get a pic. However, while I know of many locations nearby where there are shale outcroppings (including on my family beach on Skaneateles Lake), and I pass Slate Hill Road in Marcellus often, I couldn't begin to look at a shale bank and tell if it were Marcellus shale or some other kind. The shale on our beach seems to be a lighter color...I'd characterize it as gray, not black. Plus, it has many fossils, while the article says there are few in the Marcellus shale. I do work with someone who sold rights to a natural gas exploration company for some test wells on his property....he could have an outcropping. I'll write to the author, see if he's interested enough for me to pursue any of this.

How do you add something to the Syracuse Wikiproject? Lvklock (talk) 11:26, 29 May 2008 (UTC)